I think after a year plus with Wilson and scouting and preseason of hasty, I would expect coach to have a good assessment of both.
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Marlon Mack, RB, DEN (2 Viewers)
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Scooby1974
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Well, I would suspect Kyle DOES have a good assessment too. But I still don't think the running backs are the mains issue.
Grid71
Footballguy
Agreed. Sermon for example runs at 5 yards a carry, has prevented sacks in pass protection yet appears to be the last person Shanny wants to utilize. RB isn’t the problem in SF.
SF is a wasteland until the offense finds an identity.
KC would be a very interesting landing spot for Mack. Running for a new contact on a great offense.
or bust 
JohnnyU
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I don't see Mack as better than Williams. They don't need Mack once CEH is back.KC would be a very interesting landing spot for Mack. Running for a new contact on a great offense.
Chaka
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Chaka
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I think Mack has shown clearly better than Darrell &/or Damien Williams. Obviously the injury recovery may have changed that and going to a new team would also be a challenge but Mack, who you point out is only 25, has shown talent over a full season that neither Williams has.
IMO of course.
JohnnyU
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Chaka
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I agree. I'm not sure I see a landing spot that truly makes sense ATM. Bad teams aren't going to waste draft capital.
Baltimore jumps out but they seem to be perfectly content with their trio of geriatrics.
Does Washington think they are still in contention for a playoff spot? Enough so that they give up a late pick? Doubt it.
New Orleans maybe. I don't think Tony Jones has shown enough that it would be entirely off the table.
If Carolina made a move that says a lot about how much faith they have in McCaffrey.
I think Arizona makes some sense but would take an injury. Conner is only 26 but he really looks like he lost the one step that he had. Edmonds is fun to watch but cannot live up to being a 1a. I think Mack would be a clear upgrade over Conner but I don't see Arizona making that move unless Conner gets hurt.
Yeah, not many legitimate options.
JohnnyU
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Chicago, Cincy, Ravens, Cardinals and Panthers make the most sense. Really bad teams should ignore him, but really bad teams is his best shot at significance.
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Chaka
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Cinci I could see as I am not a Perine fan, but I don't see why Chicago would be interested. If Herbert hadn't played so well maybe but they go three deep when Montgomery comes back.
Johnny Utah #9
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Want to try and hold this guy until the trade deadline, but none of these rumored destinations seem appealing.
Baltimore makes the most sense, but they seem to like their AARP RB room (or is it AARRB) for some reason.
Baltimore makes the most sense, but they seem to like their AARP RB room (or is it AARRB) for some reason.
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Johnny Utah #9
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Murray likely out this week.
Come on Ravens... quit messing around and give up a 6th or 7th for Mack already.
This AARP RB (AARRB?) room isn’t going to get it done late in the season. You guys are contenders, start acting like it.
Come on Ravens... quit messing around and give up a 6th or 7th for Mack already.
This AARP RB (AARRB?) room isn’t going to get it done late in the season. You guys are contenders, start acting like it.
As a Ravens fan (and holding Mack), I would love to see this --but even if that happened, would still be surprised if he was able to carve out at least a solid RB 2 role to be able to roll him out with confidence (fantasy-wise)--- perhaps the push for future contract would be sufficient motivation
Pigskin Fanatic
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back to the wire you go, Mack.TampaMike19
Footballguy
Always made sense to keep him on that stupid cheap contract. The guy enjoyed the benefits of the healthcare and rehab- he can't be too pissed the team healthcare and team PT helped rehab him back to full health and none of it was out of pocket.
He's also making $2MM and not taking a beating. I'm sure he will get some buzz this offseason as a free agent. But, he's only a breather back now for Taylor. Good insurance though for the Colts in case Taylor goes down for some reason.
He's also making $2MM and not taking a beating. I'm sure he will get some buzz this offseason as a free agent. But, he's only a breather back now for Taylor. Good insurance though for the Colts in case Taylor goes down for some reason.
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King of the Jungle
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Assume a one year deal. About as good as it gets for a chance for carrries.
zamboni
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I expect that the Texans will add another at least another RB in either FA or the upcoming rookie draft, but if it's no one of substance, Mack could have a real opportunity here if he can show he's recovered well from the torn Achilles.
Based on past history, Lovie likes to run the ball and right now all he has to do is beat out Burkhead and Royce Freeman.
Based on past history, Lovie likes to run the ball and right now all he has to do is beat out Burkhead and Royce Freeman.
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Apple Juice
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My waiver wire is normally pretty desolate but he was available so I grabbed him. If Mack can get back to even 90% of his former self he could be a solid RB3 and have some nice games against weak defenses.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
The other nice thing about his landing spot is the potential weakness of that division. If Mills takes a step forward they could be competing in divisional games enough to continue to run the ball throughout the game.
Feels like a good sell high window right now. Well, maybe not high, but sell for something window.
I'd be shocked if he entered the season as the Texans starter, is post-Achilles Mack better than Burkhead? Even if he is, Houston is almost certainly going to add a RB in the draft, possibly as highly as early round 2.
I'd be shocked if he entered the season as the Texans starter, is post-Achilles Mack better than Burkhead? Even if he is, Houston is almost certainly going to add a RB in the draft, possibly as highly as early round 2.
JohnnyU
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If they draft a RB on day 2, then I agree. If they wait until day 3 Mack has a good shot at being their #1 RB.travdogg said:
Edited: They could also sign either McKinnon or Darrel Williams. Mack would beat out McKinnon, but Williams could be interesting.
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King of the Jungle
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Ilov80s
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It's the Texans, I don't expect them to take an intelligent approach to anything.
I mean, its not like those are the top-2 unsigned RBs out there. Melvin Gordon is still unsigned. Likely, some better day 3 RBs too.
Mack is still an Achilles tear RB, and nobody has ever made it back from that. D'onta Foreman is the leader in the clubhouse right now, and he took like 3 years to recover, and even then, it was for a couple games against an easy schedule, on a team that earned the #1 seed.
I'd call it less than 50-50 vs Burkhead right now. Its been since 2019 that Mack saw meaningful work, and he was nothing special then, considering Indy had the league's best OL at the time. Its not like he's just had an Achilles tear either, he's always been injury prone. I'd gladly be selling for a round 3 rookie pick right now, or as a throw in on any deal.
JohnnyU
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zamboni
Footballguy
It’s a fair point as we haven’t seen Mack with any kind of role in 2 years. That said, Burkhead is as much of a JAG as you’ll find. We’ll see how much draft capital the Texans use at the position given their other needs. There are also guys like Sony Michel, McKinnon and Darrel Williams out there that could be had for cheap and bolster depth.travdogg said:
I feel like maybe I should have been clearer. I don't think Rex Burkhead is going to be the Texans #1 RB. However, I do think Burkhead is pretty entrenched as the 3rd down RB.
I'd be very surprised if the Texans were done adding at the position, whether it be with another FA, or with a draft pick, and I think its much more likely that guy pushes Mack out of playing time than Burkhead, because Burkhead has a specialized role.
So for that reason, and my opinion of Mack's talent before injury, and the injury itself, I'd want no part of Mack right now. His value may never be higher than perceived starter on a bad team, and he can become worthless at any time.
zamboni
Footballguy
Not sure we know this with a new coaching staff. Burkhead may be decent in that role, but he's also a holdover, while Mack was actually added by Lovie. I think it's a fluid situation until we see who is on the roster.
Its not really a new coaching staff though. Lovie was the DC last year, and got promoted, and Pep Hamilton was the QB coach and got promoted to OC.
The Frankman
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dhockster
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I think the Texans line could be much improved. Tunsil should be back at left tackle, the Titus Howard experiment at left guard is over and he will be going back to his more natural right tackle position, and the Texans are likely to focus more on the running game as Hamilton/Smith like to pound the ball. In addition, the Texans could add a top tackle in the draft.
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Mentioned similar thing in the ROJO thread but teams with unsettled RB spots and multiple picks in rounds 2-4 in particular worry me about investing to much in their current RB's. Texans have 4 picks in rounds 3-4, 67,80, 107 and 108 and I'm sure if they want they are plenty of RB's they could pick with one of those picks most of us would likely feel is odds on guy to be the main RB.
JohnnyU
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dhockster
Footballguy
Houston was a terrible team in 2021. We don't know if the front office, i.e. Nick Casserio is terrible yet. He actually did a good job with the 5 picks he had in 2021 with none higher than a 3rd round pick. He got a decent return on Deshaun Watson, when, due to the no-trade clause, he really had no leverage to pit the 4 teams vying for Deshaun against each other. This draft will be a good indicator of what type of GM he will be. I do think the Texans will take a RB, somebody who will be a complement to Mack, i.e. a speedster with good hands who will be a change of pace from Mack.
wgoldsph
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I don't think it matters much what kind of gm Casserio is as long as Esterby (sp?) is anywhere near that team. Any sort of football decisions will be secondary to "culture" ones. Otherwise Cook would be getting shopped harder than meundies on a podcast.
dhockster
Footballguy
My sense, being in Houston, is that Easterby really is not involved in the football decisions now. If he were, the Texans would have hired Josh McCown as head coach, because he was the guy that Easterby has been pushing for. I think the Texans are shopping Cooks but I think teams are trying to get him at a price less than a 2nd round pick which is the apparent price the Texans want for him. There is value to the Texans keeping Cooks this year in that it will help them evaluate what they have in Davis Mills. With less talent around him, it makes it harder to determine how good a QB Mills is or could be.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
My feeling from the gossip is that the Texans would have basically been burned at the stake if they hired McCown over all of the qualified black candidates (aka ones with any coaching experience period) after the Brian Flores lawsuit. It wouldn't surprise me if the owners expressly forbade Easterby and the Texans from making him HC and forced them to go with a black coach.
As for Cooks the Texans just signed him to a two year contract. Given that the Jets were willing to give up a top ten pick sight unseen for Metcalf (rumor has it) the idea that they wouldn't shell out a 2nd for Cook seems kind of far fetched to me, but maybe I'm just misreading his value in terms of the cluster-F that is the WR market right now.
Who was a gigantic liability for the Rams, and almost singlehandedly cost them the TB game? The same Akers who when he came out and Henderson went in, it kick started the Rams Super Bowl comeback?
