"Mass Casualty Event" in Las Vegas (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

Video of the brother is tough.  It's hard to discern how much of that is "crazy" and how much of that is watching him cope with the realization of what his brother was capable of and did right there on camera.  Just a bad situation all around....not a chance I'd be talking to anyone but my wife and a therapist at this point.

I agree.  If the brother had nothing at all to do with this, and has no idea why his crazy brother did this who gives a dam what he says. Looks odd but he is trying to rationalize an event that can`t possibly be rationalized.

 

[jb1020]

You want to watch videos of this guy playing video poker for 12 hours at a time?  

Not really what I mean.  After the Michael Bennett situation we got multiple videos within a day or so. 

You'd think by now we would see whether he was always alone in the casino, with someone...the last time he was seen in the lobby, the bags he was carrying in, him parking his car with the valet...you get the point.

 

[culdeus]

1 week and counting and we have yet to see one picture/video of this guy ever setting foot in a casino, but we know he basically spent half his time and made a living by gambling in casinos? 

Hate to say it, but I'm starting to question things.   

Within the first few hours of his photo circulating there were twitter posts and other commentary saying, "I know this guy he plays $100 a hand poker"  at first I took that to mean no-limit but it was video poker.  So for being basically anonymous, he was well known enough that within hours people ID him and his game, what more do you want?  

 

[Doug B]

You'd think by now we would see whether he was always alone in the casino, with someone...the last time he was seen in the lobby, the bags he was carrying in, him parking his car with the valet...you get the point.

I agree that the lack of general information leaking is very, very odd. Not sure what it means ... might fast-forward six months and learn that investigators had to keep super-mum because they were following certain kinds of leads that would be easily compromised by the usual level of info leakage.

I also find the doubled claim that ISIS made to be really unusual, too. I understand that they've claimed some incidents in the past that they really weren't a part of, but IIRC it was always at least when a Muslim committed the act. This is the first time I can recall ISIS trying to claim home-grown American "crazy", as it were. Makes me think that while any association with ISIS would be oblique and probably indirect, it's not something that can dismissed out of hand.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I see no reason for investigators to let any information out. If anyone else was involved or they have any leads at all whatsoever, they don't want those individuals being any wiser. 

 

[Zegras11]

I see no reason for investigators to let any information out. If anyone else was involved or they have any leads at all whatsoever, they don't want those individuals being any wiser. 

This and all the fake news that would pop up of its just pictures of him walking through the casino or a hallway. 

 

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I think people are confused about the numbers. He played video poker for high stakes comps, trying to break even on the machine. He even said he went to Vegas less since 2007 because the casinos got tighter on their comps after the economic collapse. The casinos only care(d) about how much money you fed into the machine, so to them, a guy who can play $1 mil a day is a high roller, even if he just breaks even. 

As an accountant, all of those flagged transactions were good for him, especially st VP where everything is tracked. I'm guessing comps aren't even taxable, but that part is a total guess on my part.  

Yep.

Assuming he was able to get a 0.5% house edge he would have needed to put $1 Billion through a 100.5% payout VP machine to net $5MM with perfect play. 

Assuming: 
• $5 a spin (not even sure there is a $5 +EV Machine but we'll do this) 
• Assuming he's playing a multi-spin (2 spin) machine (He may have been playing 10...20 spin machines but I guarantee they would have been 25c machines max). 
That puts you at about 100 Million Spins needed to run the $1B through the machine. 

• Assuming 10 spins per minute (that's quick to spin, decide on what to keep, keep it, spin again, collect, reset). 
• That puts you at roughly 165,000 hours of play. 
• Assuming you're playing 40hrs a week, 52 weeks a year, that's 80 Years to earn $5MM... assuming no weeks off ever. 

He would have to have been averaging ~$100/spin full time 40hrs/52weeks of perfect play at 100.5% payout since 2007 to clear that $5MM (removing taxes from the equation). 

 

 

[eoMMan]

This and all the fake news that would pop up of its just pictures of him walking through the casino or a hallway. 

Can you imagine if a pic got out of him having a drink with a friend who happened to have a darker complexion?

The internet would claim ISIS and then explode. 

 

[Zegras11]

Yep.

Assuming he was able to get a 0.5% house edge he would have needed to put $1 Billion through a 100.5% payout VP machine to net $5MM with perfect play. 

Assuming: 
• $5 a spin (not even sure there is a $5 +EV Machine but we'll do this) 
• Assuming he's playing a multi-spin (2 spin) machine (He may have been playing 10...20 spin machines but I guarantee they would have been 25c machines max). 
That puts you at about 100 Million Spins needed to run the $1B through the machine. 

• Assuming 10 spins per minute (that's quick to spin, decide on what to keep, keep it, spin again, collect, reset). 
• That puts you at roughly 165,000 hours of play. 
• Assuming you're playing 40hrs a week, 52 weeks a year, that's 80 Years to earn $5MM... assuming no weeks off ever. 

He would have to have been averaging ~$100/spin full time 40hrs/52weeks of perfect play at 100.5% payout since 2007 to clear that $5MM (removing taxes from the equation). 

 

article came out today about his deposition in 2011 from the casino incident.  He claimed to play 14 hours a day, everyday.  often spending a million a day.  also said he took valium on occasion for anxiety.  

 

[jplvr]

Yep.

Assuming he was able to get a 0.5% house edge he would have needed to put $1 Billion through a 100.5% payout VP machine to net $5MM with perfect play. 

Assuming: 
• $5 a spin (not even sure there is a $5 +EV Machine but we'll do this) 
• Assuming he's playing a multi-spin (2 spin) machine (He may have been playing 10...20 spin machines but I guarantee they would have been 25c machines max). 
That puts you at about 100 Million Spins needed to run the $1B through the machine. 

• Assuming 10 spins per minute (that's quick to spin, decide on what to keep, keep it, spin again, collect, reset). 
• That puts you at roughly 165,000 hours of play. 
• Assuming you're playing 40hrs a week, 52 weeks a year, that's 80 Years to earn $5MM... assuming no weeks off ever. 

He would have to have been averaging ~$100/spin full time 40hrs/52weeks of perfect play at 100.5% payout since 2007 to clear that $5MM (removing taxes from the equation). 

 

Hmm.  BTW, in his 2013 deposition, he said he stopped going as much after 2007, so all of his "big time" play was prior to that.  He said he played 14 hours a day for 365 days a year for some stretch of time.  If he wasn't bat #### crazy before then, he had to be afterwards.

Some guy on a different forum said a book was probably involved.  The guy only printed a 2-500 copies, and they go for upwards of $1500.  You can get a copy on Amazon right now for $1400+.  "Beyond Counting, Exhibit CAA" by James Grosjean  Supposedly, you can also find PDFs of this book online.

The advantage is as high as 100.7% on some machines, but he said he (poster, not Paddock) liked playing something under 100% with a 1% cash back.

That poster said that Paddock could expect a six figure income with his play and reported $100 per hand play, if he was good, of course.

 

[beer 30]

I see no reason for investigators to let any information out. If anyone else was involved or they have any leads at all whatsoever, they don't want those individuals being any wiser. 

Me neither but the "we demand answers now" crowd is getting restless. I'm guessing because the police/FBI are having such a hard time figuring this guy out they don't want to release anything until they feel pretty solid about motive, accomplices, money trails, along with hours of video the casinos probably have on this guy they have to watch to eliminate/substantiate the whole ISIS thing, I can't see them releasing anything for a while.

There's an article I read this weekend from his neighbor that was interesting if you're really looking for third person dirt on the guy

 

[fantasycurse42]

Me neither but the "we demand answers now" crowd is getting restless. I'm guessing because the police/FBI are having such a hard time figuring this guy out they don't want to release anything until they feel pretty solid about motive, accomplices, money trails, along with hours of video the casinos probably have on this guy they have to watch to eliminate/substantiate the whole ISIS thing, I can't see them releasing anything for a while.

There's an article I read this weekend from his neighbor that was interesting if you're really looking for third person dirt on the guy

These people are self-absorbed morons, prob the crowd that comments in the Yahoo comments section. 

Maybe they have some people of interest they're keeping an eye on, and if anything leaked to the public that gave these people any idea LE might be on to them, they disappear from the grid. Who knows, but I have no issue knowing nothing, I'm not an investigator and I don't want anything getting in the way of them leaving no stone unturned. If there are co-conspirators out there, they clearly have the means and they're clearly very dangerous. 

 

[El Floppo]

These people are self-absorbed morons, prob the crowd that comments in the Yahoo comments section. 

Maybe they have some people of interest they're keeping an eye on, and if anything leaked to the public that gave these people any idea LE might be on to them, they disappear from the grid. Who knows, but I have no issue knowing nothing, I'm not an investigator and I don't want anything getting in the way of them leaving no stone unturned. If there are co-conspirators out there, they clearly have the means and they're clearly very dangerous. 

I would think anybody remotely associated with this guy would be in the win. If they had anything to do with it.

 

[culdeus]

Hmm.  BTW, in his 2013 deposition, he said he stopped going as much after 2007, so all of his "big time" play was prior to that.  He said he played 14 hours a day for 365 days a year for some stretch of time.  If he wasn't bat #### crazy before then, he had to be afterwards.

Some guy on a different forum said a book was probably involved.  The guy only printed a 2-500 copies, and they go for upwards of $1500.  You can get a copy on Amazon right now for $1400+.  "Beyond Counting, Exhibit CAA" by James Grosjean  Supposedly, you can also find PDFs of this book online.

The advantage is as high as 100.7% on some machines, but he said he (poster, not Paddock) liked playing something under 100% with a 1% cash back.

That poster said that Paddock could expect a six figure income with his play and reported $100 per hand play, if he was good, of course.

I would be deeply distrustful that the casino would just change up the machine from time to time.  I don't honestly know what the rules are to how much they randomize any one game/machine to a certain payout.  I'm sure it's all well tracked but how do these whales know this, and why aren't they escorted out like a card counter?  

 

[the moops]

makes me think that while any association with ISIS would be oblique and probably indirect, it's not something that can dismissed out of hand.

Were you a big fan of Dodds work here during the election?

 

[Doug B]

makes me think that while any association with ISIS would be oblique and probably indirect, it's not something that can dismissed out of hand.

Were you a big fan of Dodds work here during the election?

Heh ... no, moops.

I would be shocked if Paddock went to train with ISIS in Afghanistan or something, and ended up being an avowed foot soldier for ISIS. I do dismiss that kind of scenario out of hand.

What I don't dismiss yet are falling-domino scenarios -- something happened a few levels of remove from Paddock, something that someone loosely allied with ISIS could initiate. Most likely an inadvertent thing ... a few remarks made at a card table. Shooting the bull with some random while travelling in the Phillipines. An idea planted, almost certainly without intent to stir action -- but action happened anyway. Maybe someone who support ISIS in spirit helped Paddock with falsified info at some point to make some part of the set-up easier.

Or, probably a lot more likely, not. But longshots -- even crazy long longshots -- pay off sometimes. Would a six-degrees-of-separation scenario involving some ISIS wannabe really be that off the wall?

 

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I would be deeply distrustful that the casino would just change up the machine from time to time.  I don't honestly know what the rules are to how much they randomize any one game/machine to a certain payout.  I'm sure it's all well tracked but how do these whales know this, and why aren't they escorted out like a card counter?  

You can judge a machine's house edge based on the pay table. They're generally looking for "Jacks or Better" games with 9/6 payout (fullhouse/flush respectively). That is considered a "full pay" machine. I'm guessing they check the pay tables each time they sit own at their favorite machines. Tampering or misrepresenting pay tables will get a casino shut own. 

 

[jplvr]

I would be deeply distrustful that the casino would just change up the machine from time to time.  I don't honestly know what the rules are to how much they randomize any one game/machine to a certain payout.  I'm sure it's all well tracked but how do these whales know this, and why aren't they escorted out like a card counter?  

I don't get your first sentence.  The different payouts are for different machines... I forget the different names, but one of them is "Two Jack" meaning, I assume, it pays with a pair of Jacks or better.  The poster who was relaying this lifestyle early on in that thread said he played a machine which gave a sub-100% payout, but gave cash back.

Now, there was another story speaking as to whether or not Paddock was a "pro's pro," or something to that effect, saying actual pros knew about certain machines that Paddock would go in and hit too hard, causing the casino to "fix" them.  I don't even know if I got that story exactly correct, as it was told, so don't expect me to go over it in detail if you want clarification.

Regardless, the casinos only care if you're beating their expected payouts, and it doesn't appear that's the case outside of the chance he played too hard on machines where pros figured out the machine was paying too much.  As I've stated, which was in the deposition, Paddock claimed he wasn't paying as much in Vegas since 2007 when the comp game started to dry up.

 

[tommyboy]

Yep.

Assuming he was able to get a 0.5% house edge he would have needed to put $1 Billion through a 100.5% payout VP machine to net $5MM with perfect play. 

Assuming: 
• $5 a spin (not even sure there is a $5 +EV Machine but we'll do this) 
• Assuming he's playing a multi-spin (2 spin) machine (He may have been playing 10...20 spin machines but I guarantee they would have been 25c machines max). 
That puts you at about 100 Million Spins needed to run the $1B through the machine. 

• Assuming 10 spins per minute (that's quick to spin, decide on what to keep, keep it, spin again, collect, reset). 
• That puts you at roughly 165,000 hours of play. 
• Assuming you're playing 40hrs a week, 52 weeks a year, that's 80 Years to earn $5MM... assuming no weeks off ever. 

He would have to have been averaging ~$100/spin full time 40hrs/52weeks of perfect play at 100.5% payout since 2007 to clear that $5MM (removing taxes from the equation). 

 

he's not playing slots.      Video poker at anywhere from 100 to $1000 per hand.

regardless, i think this article posting  $5M  income from gambling is wrong.   I think his income was partially from gambling but mostly from his rental properties.   He had investment incomes and rental incomes  and he had real estate that he could sell at a profit from time to time.    

in other words, this is a red herring.  

 

[El Floppo]

he's not playing slots.      Video poker at anywhere from 100 to $1000 per hand.

regardless, i think this article posting  $5M  income from gambling is wrong.   I think his income was partially from gambling but mostly from his rental properties.   He had investment incomes and rental incomes  and he had real estate that he could sell at a profit from time to time.    

in other words, this is a red herring.  

you guys have been saying income, and I keep mis-reading net worth. 5mil net worth I could see.

 

[kevzilla]

Here, read this blog post from Anthony Curtis, who knows far more about gambling than anyone in this thread:

The Shooter Gambler

 

[jplvr]

you guys have been saying income, and I keep mis-reading net worth. 5mil net worth I could see.

I forget where the $5 mil number came from, but I agree it's wrong, and probably a misunderstanding of gambling terminology. I've seen his net worth listed as $11 mil, but who knows how that was sourced.  We do know he sold an apartment complex in Dallas, I believe with his brother, for around $8 mil, and the date coincided with the brother's story about being able to retire early.  Also, he claimed in the deposition that he could move as much as a million through a machine or machines in a night, and that it wasn't abnormal.

The poster I've been mentioning from another forum said he only needed a bankroll of $400k to play $100 a hand, and I assume that came from the book I mentioned.  As I've said all along, this guy's wealth matters very, very little.  Someone with $2 mil in the bank could live like this guy did and pull this off.  I realize that's wealthy from a lot of perspectives, but that's not hard to pull off, and if I don't have at least that by the time I'm 65, I'll probably look for a place to quietly kill myself because I will have failed miserably over these next 20+ years.

 

[culdeus]

Here, read this blog post from Anthony Curtis, who knows far more about gambling than anyone in this thread:

The Shooter Gambler

Ok this clears all of it up. (The gambling side)

 

[culdeus]

Someone in the comments section there said that he was using his wife's PP at MGM properties and he maybe caught the ban from MGM.

Again, it's a comment section of a gambling site so YMMV big time.

 

[jplvr]

Here, read this blog post from Anthony Curtis, who knows far more about gambling than anyone in this thread:

The Shooter Gambler

That is a good article.  I've tried explaining some of that in here already (comp player).

 

[jplvr]

Someone in the comments section there said that he was using his wife's PP at MGM properties and he maybe caught the ban from MGM.

Again, it's a comment section of a gambling site so YMMV big time.

Supposedly he was using his wife's card for the Mandalay Bay rooms, so maybe they were commenting based off that.

 

[Statorama]

He said he played 14 hours a day for 365 days a year for some stretch of time.  If he wasn't bat #### crazy before then, he had to be afterwards.

Man, there have to be better ways to become a millionaire.  That just sounds like a horrible life.

 

[culdeus]

Man, there have to be better ways to become a millionaire.  That just sounds like a horrible life.

I work around people that are dumping all their disposable income into rental properties with the idea that eventually their cash flow > current income and then they retire.

Sounds a lot better than working to 65 and trying to not deplete your 401k too fast.

 

[jplvr]

Man, there have to be better ways to become a millionaire.  That just sounds like a horrible life.

Just a point of clarification: he was already a millionaire.  Other than bragging to his brother or to the cops in the deposition, I think reports of his winnings are exaggerated.  He's no different than someone playing a Skinner Box type of game like World of Warcraft or Clash of Clans.  He just clicked pixels all day, possibly made enough in this lifestyle to make 6 figures at it, and he got comps like he was some sort of high roller prior to 2007.  I'm guessing he never made money, as the article @kevzilla linked alluded.  He was a comp player.

Totally spitballing here, but is the comp thing part of the problem?   Comps dried up in 2007.  Slip and fall in 2011.  Case thrown out in 2013, or at least that's when he was deposed.  It's a thought, at least.

There's also something regarding October 2016, which many have assumed was election related.  A reporter asked the Sheriff about it in a PC, and while he wouldn't answer the question, I believe he acknowledged it was important.

 

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he's not playing slots.      Video poker at anywhere from 100 to $1000 per hand.

regardless, i think this article posting  $5M  income from gambling is wrong.   I think his income was partially from gambling but mostly from his rental properties.   He had investment incomes and rental incomes  and he had real estate that he could sell at a profit from time to time.    

in other words, this is a red herring.  

Noboys said slots... the above was referring to VP (video poker). There are no Full Pay slots. 

I agree it's highly unlikely he made $5MM off VP, but who knows. Not really that significant to the case I suppose. 

 

[El Floppo]

yeah, just so I'm clear here on the importance of making that money off of VP relative to him shooting up all those people- it's because.... ?

 

[jplvr]

yeah, just so I'm clear here on the importance of making that money off of VP relative to him shooting up all those people- it's because.... ?

Idle speculation.  What else do we have? (in regards to my theory about comps drying up)

Otherwise, a lot of people have gotten hung up at various times wondering about this guy's lifestyle.  It's not that hard to figure out, really, even if there are some gaps in the story.  He's a millionaire of some sort who played a boring game which may have been a slight money maker for him, but what it did afford him was a lifestyle he did not previously have, that of a highly comped, advantage player.

 

[El Floppo]

Idle speculation.  What else do we have?

nothing... but still looking to get to how his income is relevant here- unless it's from some dude in qatar named phil.

every time I see this thing bumped, I'm hoping it's because there's new info on why or how he did it.  

 

[culdeus]

yeah, just so I'm clear here on the importance of making that money off of VP relative to him shooting up all those people- it's because.... ?

Well it is interesting to follow all sides of this, and we are in the pure speculation point.  I mean in the 90s we were quick to blame Duke Nukem for increasing violence.  Maybe sitting in front of a VP machine for 14 hours just rots the pleasure sensors in your brain, or something. Who knows.

 

[tommyboy]

Noboys said slots... the above was referring to VP (video poker). There are no Full Pay slots. 

I agree it's highly unlikely he made $5MM off VP, but who knows. Not really that significant to the case I suppose. 

He was talking about spins which lead me think he was talking slots

 

[tommyboy]

yeah, just so I'm clear here on the importance of making that money off of VP relative to him shooting up all those people- it's because.... ?

Somr people think he was laundering money

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

Does anyone think the shooters father's past is mysterious?  How do you escape prison, land on the FBI Most wanted list, get recaptured, and end up on parole?  Then lived out the remainder of his life quietly in Texas.  The whole family is mysterious imo.

After escaping prison in 1968, Paddock moved to Oregon where he took the name Bruce Warner Erickson. In Oregon he worked as a contract trucker and in drug abuse rehabilitation. He was twice cited for traffic violations and in September 1977 he applied for and was granted a license to open a bingo parlor, but his identity was not uncovered. He then operated a bingo parlor for the Center for Education Reform, a non-profit organization based in Eugene, Oregon.

He was captured and arrested in early September 1978 in Springfield, Oregon, and was eventually released on parole.[12]

In 1987, he was charged with racketeering related to his bingo business and fraud for an illegal business he ran rolling back car odometers by the Oregon Attorney General, but avoided a prison sentence by paying a $100,000 fine.[1] Later in life, his involvement in Bingo earned him the nickname, Bingo Bruce. During the last decade of his life, he lived quietly in Texas where he co-owned a car shop with his girlfriend.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Does anyone think the shooters father's past is mysterious?  How do you escape prison, land on the FBI Most wanted list, get recaptured, and end up on parole?  Then lived out the remainder of his life quietly in Texas.  The whole family is mysterious imo.

After escaping prison in 1968, Paddock moved to Oregon where he took the name Bruce Warner Erickson. In Oregon he worked as a contract trucker and in drug abuse rehabilitation. He was twice cited for traffic violations and in September 1977 he applied for and was granted a license to open a bingo parlor, but his identity was not uncovered. He then operated a bingo parlor for the Center for Education Reform, a non-profit organization based in Eugene, Oregon.

He was captured and arrested in early September 1978 in Springfield, Oregon, and was eventually released on parole.[12]

In 1987, he was charged with racketeering related to his bingo business and fraud for an illegal business he ran rolling back car odometers by the Oregon Attorney General, but avoided a prison sentence by paying a $100,000 fine.[1] Later in life, his involvement in Bingo earned him the nickname, Bingo Bruce. During the last decade of his life, he lived quietly in Texas where he co-owned a car shop with his girlfriend.

Yeah, it's pretty interesting.  Not sure if there's a tie (other than, maybe hard wired in his DNA to be crazy)

 

[tommyboy]

Not interesting. Other than he passed on his ####ty genes

 

[jplvr]

I only tuned into the PC once he was answering questions, but that was good enough for me, not that anyone cares.

He said the guy was just a sick individual who hid his motive well.  Says that is a lot of the obvious frustration.  I believe that covers my issue with them not saying, "we don't know."

He also changed the timeline.  The security guard, Campos, wasn't the reason the shooter stopped.  Campos was shot before the shots at the fuel tanks or volleys into the crowd.  I assume we'll find out later that Campos survived a 200 round volley into the hallway meant for the cops who showed up 10-12 minutes later.  Then, he fired 2 single shots, one of which was into his brain.  Campos was checking out another door on the floor which was left ajar long enough to set off an alarm, and possibly approached the shooter's room(s) because he heard drilling.

Paddock drilled the stairwell door closed.  I'm not sure if that's what Campos heard.

 

[GoBirds]

I only tuned into the PC once he was answering questions, but that was good enough for me, not that anyone cares.

He said the guy was just a sick individual who hid his motive well.  Says that is a lot of the obvious frustration.  I believe that covers my issue with them not saying, "we don't know."

He also changed the timeline.  The security guard, Campos, wasn't the reason the shooter stopped.  Campos was shot before the shots at the fuel tanks or volleys into the crowd.  I assume we'll find out later that Campos survived a 200 round volley into the hallway meant for the cops who showed up 10-12 minutes later.  Then, he fired 2 single shots, one of which was into his brain.  Campos was checking out another door on the floor which was left ajar long enough to set off an alarm, and possibly approached the shooter's room(s) because he heard drilling.

Paddock drilled the stairwell door closed.  I'm not sure if that's what Campos heard.

So thinking Campos saw him drilling the door shut then suspect rushes back to room and when Campos knocks on door to confront him suspect starts unloading rounds into the Door? Weird that Campos just came across him by chance.....wonder what other preparations this guy had in mind. What a nut job. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

Not really what I mean.  After the Michael Bennett situation we got multiple videos within a day or so. 

You'd think by now we would see whether he was always alone in the casino, with someone...the last time he was seen in the lobby, the bags he was carrying in, him parking his car with the valet...you get the point.

Not true. Michael bennett situation was night of mayweather fight. Cops also were fighting a PR battle and wanted to get video out.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

So thinking Campos saw him drilling the door shut then suspect rushes back to room and when Campos knocks on door to confront him suspect starts unloading rounds into the Door? Weird that Campos just came across him by chance.....wonder what other preparations this guy had in mind. What a nut job. 

This is just pure speculation by me so take of it what you want.  I've stayed in many Vegas hotels--and I will often times leave the door (usually my mom or gf will stay in the room while I do so) open while I go grab our luggage or to get ice from the ice machines down the hall.   Also-many times--friends of mine will be in the room next door or down the hall--and we'll leave our doors open for hours on end---and we've never had a security guard come up and check on us.  My guess is this--the door that goes to the stairwell is probably labeled as an emergency exit of some sort.  If the shooter actually drilled or opened that door while trying to barricade it shut--that's probably the "open door" alarm that is being spoken of.  The security guard probably went up there to make sure that there wasn't an actual emergency or to see if somebody accidentally wandered into the stairwell.  Again--this is just a pure guess on my part. 

 

[jplvr]

This is just pure speculation by me so take of it what you want.  I've stayed in many Vegas hotels--and I will often times leave the door (usually my mom or gf will stay in the room while I do so) open while I go grab our luggage or to get ice from the ice machines down the hall.   Also-many times--friends of mine will be in the room next door or down the hall--and we'll leave our doors open for hours on end---and we've never had a security guard come up and check on us.  My guess is this--the door that goes to the stairwell is probably labeled as an emergency exit of some sort.  If the shooter actually drilled or opened that door while trying to barricade it shut--that's probably the "open door" alarm that is being spoken of.  The security guard probably went up there to make sure that there wasn't an actual emergency or to see if somebody accidentally wandered into the stairwell.  Again--this is just a pure guess on my part. 

In the Steve Wynn interview, he said that a do not disturb sign on the door for 3 days should have triggered a response. Pure speculation still, but it is at least somewhat possible they have measures in place most people never see. The guard might not even be instructed to do anything about the door if he hears normal voices inside the room. 

 

[rockaction]

What on earth was wrong with this person? 

People are dead. Just trying to grieve here. Seems like the awfulness of humanity met with technology and did something so unspeakable horrible we can't imagine. I hate this. It makes me sick to my stomach, frankly.  

 

[tommyboy]

What on earth was wrong with this person? 

People are dead. Just trying to grieve here. Seems like the awfulness of humanity met with technology and did something so unspeakable horrible we can't imagine. I hate this. It makes me sick to my stomach, frankly.  

couple things.   yes its disgusting and inhuman  and I haven't begun to stop grieving over it

however:   1) we're lucky he was not good with guns.  Could have easily killed hundreds.   Guy fired of 2000-3000 rounds in 10 minutes and landed about 2% or so.  This could have been much much worse.

2) buying 33 guns in a year is a pretty big red flag for me

3) his GF seems to know next to nothing which I find hard to believe.    Doesn't add up

4) thank goodness the guard and LE showed up fairly quickly and apparently forced his hand and made him off himself.   Given an hour or so uninterrupted, could have done far more damage.

5) if you believe in hell, and I do,  thank goodness he's rotting there currently.    Good riddance

 

[tommyboy]

This is just pure speculation by me so take of it what you want.  I've stayed in many Vegas hotels--and I will often times leave the door (usually my mom or gf will stay in the room while I do so) open while I go grab our luggage or to get ice from the ice machines down the hall.   Also-many times--friends of mine will be in the room next door or down the hall--and we'll leave our doors open for hours on end---and we've never had a security guard come up and check on us.  My guess is this--the door that goes to the stairwell is probably labeled as an emergency exit of some sort.  If the shooter actually drilled or opened that door while trying to barricade it shut--that's probably the "open door" alarm that is being spoken of.  The security guard probably went up there to make sure that there wasn't an actual emergency or to see if somebody accidentally wandered into the stairwell.  Again--this is just a pure guess on my part. 

just spend 4 days in the Cosmo.   Security came within an hour of leaving our doors ajar for our buddies a couple rooms down.   It appears this has changed because on previous trips we experience what you did,   rooms ajar for hours and hours with no oversight

 

[jplvr]

couple things.   yes its disgusting and inhuman  and I haven't begun to stop grieving over it

however:   1) we're lucky he was not good with guns.  Could have easily killed hundreds.   Guy fired of 2000-3000 rounds in 10 minutes and landed about 2% or so.  This could have been much much worse.

2) buying 33 guns in a year is a pretty big red flag for me

3) his GF seems to know next to nothing which I find hard to believe.    Doesn't add up

4) thank goodness the guard and LE showed up fairly quickly and apparently forced his hand and made him off himself.   Given an hour or so uninterrupted, could have done far more damage.

5) if you believe in hell, and I do,  thank goodness he's rotting there currently.    Good riddance

The guard only slowed his preparation. He took the very first bullet fired that night. It was like 5-6 minutes later before Paddock even started firing on the crowd. Paddock was still using a drill when Campos got to the 32nd floor  

Speculation here, but I doubt the windows were even knocked out when he shot Campos, the security guard. 

 

[Donkey Derp]

I only tuned into the PC once he was answering questions, but that was good enough for me, not that anyone cares.

He said the guy was just a sick individual who hid his motive well.  Says that is a lot of the obvious frustration.  I believe that covers my issue with them not saying, "we don't know."

He also changed the timeline.  The security guard, Campos, wasn't the reason the shooter stopped.  Campos was shot before the shots at the fuel tanks or volleys into the crowd.  I assume we'll find out later that Campos survived a 200 round volley into the hallway meant for the cops who showed up 10-12 minutes later.  Then, he fired 2 single shots, one of which was into his brain.  Campos was checking out another door on the floor which was left ajar long enough to set off an alarm, and possibly approached the shooter's room(s) because he heard drilling.

Paddock drilled the stairwell door closed.  I'm not sure if that's what Campos heard.

Plus, they revised the day Paddock checked in from the 28th to the 25th.

I'm not much of a tin foil hat guy, but nothing seems to be consistently adding up.

 

[Donkey Derp]

The security guard laid there for several minutes with no walkie talkie, cell phone, any way to communicate, etc?