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Sometimes fighters are too tough for there own good ...thats why they have referees to make that decision for themjvdesigns2002 said:
FM would take maybe 3 leg kicks to his knee ...hobble around the cage as CM slowly stalks him ...then CM would throw a few spinning back kicks to FM torso ...once FM felt those he would #### himself and CM would move in for the kill ...take FM down and smash his face in with elbows and punches until FM was unconscious...and all this would take place within 60 seconds
Sounds like the UFC is looking to go above and beyond to rectify with anybody who got burned for the fight. I know the UFC could do a ton of things better, but one thing they have been good with is when things like this happen going the extra step or 2 to make things right:
I am far from a boxing expert but I thought he was doing that to negate McGregor's wingspan advantage. McGregor was causing Floyd some small problems early with his reach. Once Floyd started staying in close McGregor had a much harder time landing punches (in addition to being gassed of course) at those angles.Coeur de Lion said:
would be nice if more boxing fans would step out and read things like these. There are plenty of examples of strong technique analysis in MMA. there are examples in boxing too, but there is so much more to MMA that the analysis can be much more expansive. both are enjoyable. I know it is more fun to just assume everyone is MMA BRO, and i don't think anyone will deny there is a contingent of the fan base like that, but i also think this is a lazy take from 10-15 years ago.AhrnCityPahnder said:
Until this fight i didn't realize how much division there was between MMA and boxing fans. I love both sports but never really noticed the hate they have for each other.
it is real weird. MMA is funny because 10-13 years ago the fanbase took the "us against the world" approach because there were tons of hurdles to legitimize at a sport (plenty internally with
trying to explain 2 fighters were not "gay" for grappling and utilizing BJJ). Boxing has been fighting "we aren't dead" for awhile too. When Brock came to the UFC there was a little with WWE vs UFC fans but that died quick enough.
That's why the fight did so well and generated so much attention. If McGregor wins, how can boxing ever look itself in the mirror? If McGregor wins, he's the greatest fighter since Ali...and he's an MMA guy. No boxing fan wants to see that. Hence, a fight between a 49-0 boxer and 0-0 fighter somehow having incredible stakes.
The fight did well because UFC fans believe everything Dana White tells them. E.g. Rhonda Rousey. They still think it was a close fight.
I don't know about all that. It seemed like the boxing crowd was in on May and the MMA crowd was in on Mcgregor.
as a boxing fan, i'd say it's more that boxing has been around for a very, very long time as an organized sport and has the respectability that comes with being established.it is real weird. MMA is funny because 10-13 years ago the fanbase took the "us against the world" approach because there were tons of hurdles to legitimize at a sport (plenty internally with
i would think most rational people can enjoy both. Even for someone to not appreciate the nuance with Muay Thai or the Philly Shell, it would be nice to see more openness to both sports. this thread didn't seem to reflect it as much, but i'd like to think it is closer to 70% fans who can enjoy/accept both, and dwindling 30% who feel the other sport is a joke or doesn't belong
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Clearly, he doesn't watch sports. He just researches what reasonable people say about sports, then says the opposite on TV.
well, I can clarify a bit that MMA has some figuring out to do when it was growing, but in reality there is a long history and centuries of some of these arts being put into practice. Sounds like a very "American" kind of answer because something like ju jitsu has been established in Brazil and Japan for probably longer then boxing. Something like Shotokan Karate, which some MMA fighters use as their base, has been around for centuries. Wrestling, etc., the list can go on and on. And to be honest with the bolded above, if I were to suggest any of these combat sports that is closest to a chess match I may say ju jitsu. Analogy can apply to a few of them, and it took me some time to truly enjoy the ground/grappling game, but when you see 2 experts at a ju jitsu competition it is literally a work of art. Every single move is used to set something up or to counter something. Nuances in hand position, etc. are so key it is crazy.
agree.
such is the way of things.
It's now gotten to the point where there are MMA gyms and no specific discipline is focused on. Instead, they train to win a fight within MMA regulations.
I jumped on your mom's back.mr. furley said:no doubt that the many different disciplines involved in MMA have been around forever
i don't know enough about any of them to say "ah, he's switching from a ju jistu stance to a tae kwan do stance", etc.
what i think i understand is that there are so many disciplines involved, that it's possible to be expert level at one but weak at another.. and if your opponent is expert at something you're weak(er) at, you're ####ed and there really isn't a way around it.
then it's a matter of who you match up against and whether or not you/they get lucky, sort of.
not totally different than basketball, football, etc. but harder for me to recognize. which makes it less enjoyable (for me).
the way i think of it is, and i had this conversation on another forum, a fighter can appear to be top level & just lay waste to several opponents in a row if they excel at locking in an arm bar (see; Rousey, Ronda). and MMA fans will just go bananas about how great that fighter is because they keep winning. then the arm bar specialist runs in to someone who has an excellent defense against it and one kick to the head, for which they have no real defense, ends it. and suddenly said fighter is ####.
in a sport like football, where everyone is playing by the same rules and attempting to excel at the same discipline (whether you're great out of breaks, quick off the snap, etc. is one thing but it's not like Antonio Brown is great at getting in and out of his breaks to get open and that can overcome a db who can only shoot the three) there's a really thin margin of difference and that makes it tense and exciting.
the arbitrage of "good at X, not so great at Y" as the reason for victory/defeat is there but with far less variation.
in MMA, it seems, the variation can be massive but it's hard to tell until the thing is over when you realize "Grabkowski is a great wrestler but he can't defend against a boxer". maybe he had a chance if he could have wrestled his opponent to the ground but if he couldn't, game over.
i started watching when Tank Abbott was punching dudes heads off and thought it could be interesting to have a real life Bloodsport with experts in different disciplines fighting each other in even battles but it didn't really work out that way because a bar brawler really couldn't hold up with a guy who jumped on his back and choked him out.
now everyone has to be at least competent at.... everything.. but that's not possible so there's a ton of difference between fighters abilities and that can be the death knell. it's almost like some guys are playing a different sport.. at least at a different level.. so you have D3 guys squaring off against D1 guys and just getting their faces caved in but since there's not a well developed/long established minor-league/proving ground/feeder system, there isn't a way to match them up evenly consistently.
that's stream of consciousness how i feel about it but i haven't been watching regularly in a long time. just kind of checking in here and there and not following the blogs, forums, etc.
for me, i want to watch sport where competitors are evenly matched and in a close, competitive battle.
again, i'm old, and that's what i grew up with so what i like no longer matters. the younger generation enjoys the adrenaline rush of MMA
This is why Connor was effective a bit when he switched to righty v lefty a few times in the fight. Strikers stand with their power hand in the back and grapplers with the power hand up front. In MMA you learn to switch back and forth in an instant and be able to do both in either stance.mr. furley said:
Worked early when Floyd wasn't throwing back much. He got blasted when he tried it later in the fight. Switching stances in punching range of an opponent is really bad boxing.
Bad boxing was a given with Connor. I thought it was fun when he popped him a couple times by switching. ####. I didn't think he'd land anything at all. I also expected a superman punch and a spinning backfist just to keep Floyd guessing. He did actually land a close backfist.
I hope he's not expecting to make big money in boxing. Conor is a cross over personality. Nobody really cares about Aldo.
Yeah, I don't think anyone is clamoring for a Jose Aldo crossover superfight. The issue with Jones is he uses steroids and shouldn't be allowed to fight anyone.
Who cares if the Pats beat the Steelers? Does anything matter we are all going to be dead soon.
but going 12 rds with the best boxer around would be a victory in of itself...as it is going 10 made a lot of people proud (Irish people and his fans ,family and friends)
I can understand how you would think losing is winning, but losing is definitely losing, and not winning.
tell that to Micky Ward and Arturo Gatti who fought each other in 3 hellacious 10 rd wars...they both won even when one of them lost twice...some things are bigger than wins and loses...but id also say that CM putting himself in line for a 100 million dollar payday is also a form of ''winning'' lol
whatever...you hate CM no matter what he does so its not like your opinion isnt biased lol
