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And whose job was that?
They've had ample time to get one. They also waited until week 11 to start their #1-overall-pick QB. To an extent, though, all of that is missing the forest for the trees. The team's offensive woes also run a lot deeper than just finding a QB. The OL goes through a cycle of starting the year in shambles, coming together by year's end, then seemingly falling apart again the next year (despite taking an OT at #2 overall in the 2014 draft). The WRs, collectively, have been hot garbage for the entirety of Fisher's tenure. More than that, the offensive playcalling is stale, predictable and not adapted to the players' strengths. Whatever QB they trot out there will be hamstrung by the coaching.
In all fairness, would anyone expect Fisher to quit? He's a career 0.400 coach (over a long career)... its up to someone else to fire him, no?
While I am fully on the Fisher should be fired bandwagon to say the team is no better then when he got there is dead wrong. When he arrived they had just finished the worst 5 year run of ANY TEAM in league history. The talent level of the team rivaled a D2 college program.
Honestly haven't followed the Rams that closely to know the answers here....in part I'm sure it was Fisher, but sometimes players don't work out. There are an awful lot of NFL teams that need a franchise QB. Look what HOU paid Oswieler hoping he was one. Check the Browns and their 147 QBs over the last few years. Or the Bears, or the pre-Winston Bucs or the Vikes or Redskins pre-Cousins or the post-McNabb Eagles, or the Raiders pre-Carr, etc, etc, etc.They've had ample time to get one. They also waited until week 11 to start their #1-overall-pick QB. To an extent, though, all of that is missing the forest for the trees. The team's offensive woes also run a lot deeper than just finding a QB. The OL goes through a cycle of starting the year in shambles, coming together by year's end, then seemingly falling apart again the next year (despite taking an OT at #2 overall in the 2014 draft). The WRs, collectively, have been hot garbage for the entirety of Fisher's tenure. More than that, the offensive playcalling is stale, predictable and not adapted to the players' strengths. Whatever QB they trot out there will be hamstrung by the coaching.
for a rookie QB. And be thankful he's going to get some feet to the fire learning, because he'll be that much better for it next year. But throwing him in week 1-10 might have been enough to get him shellshocked and ruin him. Maybe Fisher did him a favor by holding him out - sparing him from the intense media scrutiny and shielding him from the spotlight that failure can bring to a young QB. Look no further than David Carr to see how to totally destroy a talented QBs confidence and shatter his chances at a productive career. 
He's also kickstarted two mediocre franchises from the ground up.He's great with players - for a team in total rebuild mode with a rookie QB, he's a good fit. He's also a sharp dude and the ownership obviously likes him.
Not saying he's undeserving of criticism - just saying how he's keeping his job.
Next year will be his last for the Rams. It should have been this year but he probably bought himself time by switchng to Goff.
More fun Fisher stats!
He's making a name for himself. He is trying to convince himself that OsWILDer is an NFL starter even though everyone else knows he isn't at this point in time. Since the owner was the dummy who spearheaded this disaster, he can hardly give up on him. However, that being said, this clown has no clue that Lamar Miller is great at catching the ball. It seems he thinks he has some sort of road grader at RB and continues to play right into Miller's weakness by running him up the middle every running play. No pitches out into space, no runs around the edge, forget about running into the flat and catching the ball. It's better to be 3rd and 8 so OsWILDer can showcase his immense skills. Miller is an elusive RB who goes down easy on first contact. He is not Earl Campbell.
Can Osweiler throw passes to a RB? I seriously do not know if this is in Osweilers skill set. He seems to struggle with any pass that requires touch.
Yes you would but then once you had one of those clowns, who would you want next because you definitely won't want them for long.
I don't think he can actually I think he's too goony. It's hard to have touch when your knuckles are dragging along the ground. It actually is easier with short arms. Just flick it out there. He definitely can't do that. There is a size limit on a QB. 6'5 is pushing it and you better have a compact quick throwing motion. I'd prefer Favre size at 6'2".
He's fun to watch when you don't have players on the team.
FF success for me comes when I ignore players with coaches like that dolt. Included are Caldwell, Reid and right now, OBrien among others.
Not sure how Reid gets lumped in here. Over 15 season he has 2 more wins than Fisher does over 22. Sign me up.
He's awful. It's painful to watch that clown and I don't even have Hopkins. No one else is even worth a roster spot. I sat thru Andre with David Carr. BRUTAL. This appears to be much worse for Texans fans. I mean David Carr was never any good. It had nothing to do with being gun shy. He was simply clueless. Kubiak was actually the guy who was supposed to fix him and he came in after Carr was there 4 years. He quoted 'You have been in the league for 4 years, how can you not know that'.
I think it's because he hasn't figured out that he cannot get to the promise land with Alex Smith. So basically he is wasting everyone's time there.
That was always my probably with Andy. He's good, very good even in some ways. But he was never quite great. You like at the Eagles from 2000-04 and that team was as dominant as the Seahawks of today. Years of poor draft picks and head scratching in game management (along with a lot of personal baggage) meant it was time to move on.Slapdash said:
On the QB thing, conversely, one could argue that the QBs we recognize as good/great may partly be a product of being paired with the right coaching staffs. The right fit can make a QB look significantly better. The wrong fit can make any QB look worse than he "is".Hot Sauce Guy said:Honestly haven't followed the Rams that closely to know the answers here....in part I'm sure it was Fisher, but sometimes players don't work out. There are an awful lot of NFL teams that need a franchise QB. Look what HOU paid Oswieler hoping he was one. Check the Browns and their 147 QBs over the last few years. Or the Bears, or the pre-Winston Bucs or the Vikes or Redskins pre-Cousins or the post-McNabb Eagles, or the Raiders pre-Carr, etc, etc, etc.
Good QB play makes coaches look brilliant. Bad QB play makes coaches look like idiots. This isn't a new theme in the NFL - when it comes down to it, having a franchise QB is really what matters the most to an NFL team. The league of haves and have-nots. Look at the best teams right now for proof. Raiders, Patriots, Redskins, Cowboys, Falcons - hell, even the Lions & Saints look better than they are due to having Stafford & Brees - these QBs give these flawed teams a puncher's chance in any game. Coaches on the "haves" are rarely considered terrible, and coaches on the "have nots" are getting replaced all the time.
Is it fair? No - but is replacing the coach a solution to what ails those teams? I'm not convinced of that either. so in that regard, I think the stability of Fisher while the Rams are committed to rebuilding is likely the best thing for them. And yes, they waited allllll the way to week 11 to start their rookie QB. Ask Steve Young how long he waited for his chance to start in the NFL, then again when he went to the Niners. Back in the day QBs used to sit for years to learn to steward their offenses. 11 weeks isn't
There's always another way to look at any situation. I'm not convinced Fisher is a terrible coach. Like I said before, you have to be pretty damn good to lose that many games. Not what fans want to hear, especially younger fans who don't understand that it takes time to adjust to the pro game. But it is what it is. Having stability at the coaching position during a rebuild is critical to the long-term success of a franchise. I see the Rams as a team on the rise, IF they can build around a QB. So time will tell if this is the right QB. If not, they become a have-not, and Fisher is likely gone. And then Rams fans will have to pray that they get a coach who's better - which is a hell of lot easier said than done.
IMO you could do a hell of a lot worse than Jeff Fisher.
Whatever year it was when the Colts started 13 or 14 - 0 and he started resting players for his players for the playoffsBobbyLayne said:
This will be the game that Fisher wins that makes people think he is a good coach.
Expect Fisher to hang on long enough to break the record so he can add that gem to his resume which starts out with: 'I leave a path of destruction behind me'.
Rams D comes out with its hair on fire after taking a beating all week, feasting on a Pat O that is suffering through multiple injuries and did not look great vs the Jets last week. Gurley finally breaks though, giving No. 1 pick Goff the time he needs to use his God given skills to pick apart the Pats secondary and putting to rest all doubts over giving up six picks to move up and get him.
Can't speak to Reeves as I honestly didn't follow him much but Landry clearly is not. But to that point it would take Fisher running off 81 straight wins before he catches Landry's win/loss record. Or look at it this way, how many losses would Fisher have at his current pace once he finally does get those 81 wins to match LandryHot Sauce Guy said:
Would help if he coached the teams Landry did, no?
While I completely agree with your last statement, against his contemporaries I would beg to differ at this point. The game has passed him by. The straw the broke the camels back for me happened last year when the undisiplined nature of the team continued to raise its ugly head. It's held true this year (and every other year for that matter) and that is directly on the coaching staff, no excuses. Year over year they shoot themselves in the foot with bad penalties. Fishers teams are always at the top (or bottom depending on your definition) of the list of penalties. It's inexcusable.
You're definitely closer to it than I am as a Rams fan. It's certainly possible that he's as bad as folks say. Play calling is generally on the OC or DC, but discipline, drive, playing to the whistle, those fall on coaching for sure.
Such a great point here. His quote regarding this was something along the lines of preparing for a "side to side pass kind of thing" rather than a Hail Mary. He also said he didn't think Rodgers could throw the ball all the way to the end zone. Kept in tired defensive linemen instead of extra DBs or even Calvin Johnson.
But is Fisher more qualified than his peers in the NFL? You could argue the game has passed him by. And that's what this thread is about. Which coach is the most clueless in today's NFL. Fisher is at least worthy of being nominated as a candidate for that award.
I'malso not a Caldwell fan.
