bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Really,Does Denver have a chance?Good luck Broncos.
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Serenity Now
Footballguy
Of course they have a chance. NE plays terribly in Denver, historically.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Actually, after watching NE beat the Jags yesterday, if I have to pick a team that has little shot to win in that game, it's not the Broncos.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Big time.
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
No shot in Mile High, get real.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Did you watch the same game I did? The Jags never really mounted any substantial scoring chances and the Pats won by 25 points.How does that play into N.E. having no chance?
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I expect Denver/NE to be a great game. How anyone says either team has NO CHANCE, I have no idea.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Im really not.#1 - I hate the Broncos being a bolts fan and all.
#2 - Im sick of the Pats run and I wanna see Peyton win it this year.
#3 - I think Denver has no shot. NE just has that look about them. Denver's had a great season, dominated the first game with NE, it wasnt as close as 28-20. I just think NE smokes 'em. Badly
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
not only does DEN have a chance... i think they win...and that is more recognition of broncos having a good team than a dis of NE & brady... the oddsmakers agree... the (very) early line has DEN as 3 point favorite.this is not same skeletor team that got bounced from playoffs, dumped unceremoniously by colts in consecutive seasons... the defense is MUCH better.i think... almost regardless of what pats do... if broncos get the run game going with formidable two-headed monster of MA bell... it will be a long day for NE... if they fail to establish the run... patriots likely win.i actually see a DEN/SEA super bowl... love the colts, too... but broncos have a much more balanced team than in recent years... it would help a LOT (on D & ST) if darrent williams is over groin strain & avail.
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Also, I'm looking forward to a Colts payback game for the 1995 AFC Championship the Colts should have won.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
Hmmmm....Better running game than Jax....checkBetter passing game than Jax....checkBetter defense?....actually I think this is pretty closeHome field advantage instead of in Foxborough....checkA week's rest....checkYeah, I don't see anyway the Broncs keep it within 30, it should be over by the end of the first quarter 
thatguy
Footballguy
Hmmmm....
Better running game than Jax....check
Better passing game than Jax....check
Better defense?....actually I think this is pretty close
Home field advantage instead of in Foxborough....check
A week's rest....check
Yeah, I don't see anyway the Broncs keep it within 30, it should be over by the end of the first quarter
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Granted, Denver has a strong running game, but NE's defense has been stout against the run in the latter half of the season:JAC - 87 yardsNYJ - 40 yardsTB - 30 yardsBUF - 14 yardsNYJ - 41 yardsNO - 87 yardsMIA - 77 yardsKC - 112 yardsThat's only 488 rushing yards allowed in 8 games (61 yards per game). (I left off the last game against the Dolphins where the Pats were playing their 3rd string defense for much of the game.)I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The team that lost to Denver early this year is not the same team that's playing next weekend.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The Broncos being only a 3 point favorite despite their being a dominant home team, the better team (13-3 vs. 10-6) and coming off a bye is disrespectful. Think anyone on the team will whine about it Tom Brady-style? Doubtful.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
I think New England has very little chance of winning this game, but Jake Plummer is definitely an X Factor.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Wow they really shut down some powerhouse running teams there!
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
New England matchs up pretty well with Denver right now. Their front seven is playing phenominally against the run and I think they can take away Denver's bread and butter. NE historically plays very poorly in Denver though so I think it's going to be a good game.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
There's Taylor, McGahee, Brown/RWilliams, CWilliams, and Larry Johnson. That's not all that bad in my book.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Larry Johnson's lowest rushing output of the second half of the season and held him to 3.8 YPC.
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KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
And they lost that game 26-16. New England has folded against any good offensive team they played this year. Everyone keeps saying how they are getting healthy now and going on a winning streak, but they didn't play anyone in that time either. They played their division. Wow they beat the Jets a couple times and the Bills.Jacksonville doesn't scare anyone on offense. Tampa had some good offensive fantasy players, but their offense when you compare it to a real offense was mediocre with a patchwork offensive line. Going into the playoffs, everyone was looking at Jacksonville being the weak playoff link and some were even saying that teams were trying to lose on purpose so they could play Jacksonville. Denver is a real test. They are well rounded and a team I consider a legit contender. If they beat Denver, I'll believe they are a better team than they were early in the season.
Shermanator
Footballguy
I am not a fan of either team.My unbiased opinion...the Bronco's have not shot.
The Pat's will win by double digits
Adrian Peterson
Footballguy
This might sound absurd - but Denver's RBBC running game does very little to excite me. I also think that while their LBers are top tier in Denver - I think Brady might pick on Darrent Williams a bit and expose an overrated defense. Close game - but I think we see Colts vs. New England in two weeks.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
They are a better team than they were early in the season. You can see that in the way they're gelling on defense. Their secondary is still their weakness though and good passing teams can exploit that. Jacksonville obviously couldn't. Plummer's going to have to beat the Pats cause I really can't see Denver running well on them. The secondary is also Denver's weakness, so barring bad weather I see this being a Brady vs. Plummer show. I'll take Brady but Denver's homefield evens the odds IMO.
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#1 Bolts colored glasses. #2 I'm sick of the Pats, too.
#3 See #1
#4 You will always cheer for other teams in the Super Bowl (a la #2 above) if your Bolts don't fire Schottenheimer.
#5 I hear the altitude makes the air so thin in the Mile High City that it is hard for Brady-Dangerfield to get much respect up there.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Only one problem with your sig.AJ Smith will not wait around, if Marty does not produce next year, he's gone.
Shanahan without Elway = ZERO playoffs wins. The streak continues.
I think the matchup depends heavily on the status of two players- Bruschi and Darrent Williams.Bruschi is essential to keep DEN's run game from making big plays. His presence also could bait Plummer into making some bad throws.Darrent Williams (if healthy) will probably end up dealing with Givens, which would be a mismatch.However, given the state of NE's run game right now, I think Shanahan will manage to keep the time of possession in DEN's favor and win a close one at home. DEN also needs a healthy Mike Anderson for this one- hopefully his ankle will be up to the test.I'm really hoping for snow at Mile High next weekend- a physical grindout game would tilt the scales in the Broncos favor. (not looking likely though- low of 37)
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SSOG
Moderator
You might be a very smart person. I don't know. Regardless, I would suggest that, no matter HOW MUCH you know about football, the collective whole that is Vegas knows more. You might not think Denver has a chance, but Vegas thinks Denver has a better than 50% chance. Personally, I'm going to side with Vegas on this one.
I agree that "Brady" "Darrent Williams" and "Pick" all belong in the same sentence, but not in the order that you have them.Peyton Manning picked on Roc Alexander last season. Roc Alexander was Denver's #5 CB, behind Lenny Walls and the (since released) Willie Middlebrooks. He was also covering Reggie Wayne.
This season, Darrent Williams is the #2 CB in Denver, AHEAD of the (since released) Lenny Walls. He's much better than Roc Alexander, and David Givens is no Reggie Wayne.
I'm not saying that Williams is going to dominate Givens. I think it'll actually be a pretty good matchup, one that I plan on watching closely. I'm just trying to say that Denver's secondary has gone into the past two postseasons against the best passing team in football missing two of their five nickle DBs. This season they're going in against a great (but still lesser) passing team with better DBs than in the past (and all 5 healthy, assuming the reports on Williams are true).
Remember, too, that while this isn't the same New England run defense that Denver rumbled over... neither is this the same Denver secondary. Champ Bailey was SERIOUSLY hobbled earlier this season against New England. Now he's at full strength. Playing with a hobbled Williams certainly can't be harder than playing with a hobbled Bailey.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
I agree with Maurile, NE has no chance.
TommyKramer
Footballguy
Alright, so the winner is up for debate....what about teasing the over to 36.5?
Like to see a Chargers fan that is ready for Schotty to hit the road, too! I'll change my sig to include "or tomorrow". I'm tellin' ya, the sooner the better.The whole Elway thing has been beat to death in many posts here - and I truly think it takes a complete team overall (ask Marino). It is true for now, but 13-3 is nice to see again. Let's see what happens next weekend.Those numbers might be a bit misleading. Dunn only had 29 yards against Carolina in the season finally, that's a terrible game. Does it matter that he only carried the ball 7 times because of the score? If a team is behind, they sometimes abandon their running game. A more reliable stat, in my opinion, is yards per carry. In some of these games, the team never got into their running game. Jac - 5.11 ypc
NYJ - 4 ypc
TB - 1.82 ypc
BUF- 1.07 ypc
NYJ- 2.5 ypc
NO- 4.35 ypc
MIA- 3.08 ypc
KC- 3.02 ypc (Trent Green had 2 carries for -4 yards and Kennison had 1 carry for -5)
The NE running defense might be stout when they're ahead, and pretty good when it's close. They were subpar against Jax. The Pats need to get a lead early if they want to stop Denver's running game.
I pick the Pats to win. Just wanted to throw out that the running defense stats of NE might be or might not be misleading.
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
This is false. Vegas does not set the line based on how much they think a team is going to win by. They set a line based on trying to get equal action on both sides of the line. The line then moves depending upon which team is getting the most money placed on it.Ex. If a ton of people put the majority of the money on NE, the line will go down, despite nothing happening to shange their opinion of the outcome of the game. Conversely, if all the money went on Denver, they would become 4 or more point favorites.
Serenity Now
Footballguy
In their earlier matchup this season, the Pats started out horribly and got down to a 20-0 deficit early, I think. They ended up 28-20. They played without Seymour, Bruschi and Dillon. Now you can certainly debate about whether having Dillon in makes much difference right now, and Bruschi was dressed but I don't know if he played yesterday.But a healthy Seymour makes a HUGE difference to the Pats D. And the secondary is in somewhat better shape.A month ago I'd have said that Pats don't have a chance to win this game. Should be fun. 
Shanny's blocking angles +disciplined linemen are a definite challenge for BBs attack and have been in the past. Gibbs, Parcells and plenty others would run the same offensive play 100 times and not care. BB wasn't coaching the Pats then. He's too smart. I think you must expect him to figure out a way to beat what you've done over and over. Ya gotta go into a game with him with something new in your playbook and mix it up a bit. I hope Shanny does, he's certainly creative enough and the offensive mind to match BB's defensive mind but will he? or will he just be confident in what he's got?We need Bruschi. I'll be nervous about Denver's backs without him
I'm impressed this fishing trip actually turned into a good thread.The bottom line is, this game starts and ends with the Patriots front seven. If the Pats front seven can hold the Denver running game in check. If they can do that is the question. They've been great lately against sub-par opponents. Plummer won't be able to win this game himself if forced to. The Samuel interception is a good example of the schemes that Plummer would be faced with all day. The Patriots offense needs to get its act back together. They looked good later in the game but the first few series were pretty ugly. The recievers were covered and Brady was getting pressure heavily. Dillon looked like he was 40 but Faulk looked better than he ever has. If the Pats that beat up on the Bucs D show up it'll be a long day for Denver. The Pats were able to put up 21 points in under 8 minutes against Jax, that must worry some people. They looked average for most of the game and won by 25 points. As to whoever said they didn't keep the Jax running game in check and gave up 4+ YPC, did you watch the game? If you take the QB scrambles out of the rushing yards then Jacksonville couldn't do anything on the ground, getting under 3.5 YPC. Leftwich and Gerrard had nearly 1/2 the rushing yards and 18 of Leftwich's 26 came on one play.
Warsteinner
Footballguy
While I think the Pats will win, I think you're sniffing glue if you think it will be a double-digit victory.
