Non-horrible Sandusky thread to discuss PSU sanctions (1 Viewer)

[JaxBill]

incidentally, does it strike anyone else as somewhat tacky that ESPN has chosen to air the Ohio/PSU game as their 12:00 pm feature on opening weekend?

Any other year, I'm not sure that game would command that slot.

Huh? A lot of cupcakes are scheduled that first weekend and usually the worst are played early in the day. Other noon options are Buffalo-Georgia (sorry Ruds), Miami(Oh) at Ohio State, and Western Michigan at llinois. Maybe Greeny can make a case that Northwestern-Syracuse would be a better game and that's on ESPN2.

 

[NCCommish]

Well no the complaints are about the fact that most of this does nothing to the people at fault. I know who will be punished though. All the businesses and their employees that rely on Penn State football for a living. And at 50 million a year to the local economy I am guessing it will be quite a few. But hey now we know covering up child molestation is bad so we got that going for us.

There was no death penalty -- there will still be Penn State football and Beaver stadium will be packed and the parking lots will be full of tailgaters. Hotel rooms will be booked. I don't think this is going to have as much of an impact on the local economy as you think.

I'm just relaying the effect it is having today. Not some fictional down the road maybe. But what is happening right now as we type. Maybe it will change but today it's empty rooms that are normally already booked that is the reality.

If you think Beaver Stadium is going to be empty during football season you don't know very much about Penn State. And where are you getting your info that there are empty rooms? Happy Valley has been a hotbed of activity this past year -- if anything business is booming.

Not according to the people I saw interviewed last night. And I don't think it will be empty the kids will show up. But will the spending alumni show up? So far several places are saying they aren't.

 

[E-Z Glider]

sports are just way too important to way too many people.

says the hypocrite who spends his Saturday afternoons trolling a Penn St thread with derogatory remarks about joe and whining that he doesnt have the "guts to renew the PSU/Pitt rivalry" and then returns to taunt Penn St fans after their biggest loss of the past decadeim sure your established hatred of PSU football and joe paterno has no bearing on how you feel about any of this though.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Well no the complaints are about the fact that most of this does nothing to the people at fault. I know who will be punished though. All the businesses and their employees that rely on Penn State football for a living. And at 50 million a year to the local economy I am guessing it will be quite a few. But hey now we know covering up child molestation is bad so we got that going for us.

There was no death penalty -- there will still be Penn State football and Beaver stadium will be packed and the parking lots will be full of tailgaters. Hotel rooms will be booked. I don't think this is going to have as much of an impact on the local economy as you think.

I'm just relaying the effect it is having today. Not some fictional down the road maybe. But what is happening right now as we type. Maybe it will change but today it's empty rooms that are normally already booked that is the reality.

If you think Beaver Stadium is going to be empty during football season you don't know very much about Penn State. And where are you getting your info that there are empty rooms? Happy Valley has been a hotbed of activity this past year -- if anything business is booming.

Not according to the people I saw interviewed last night. And I don't think it will be empty the kids will show up. But will the spending alumni show up? So far several places are saying they aren't.

I'm sure the alums and Penn State friendly businesses are providing an accurate an unbiased viewpoint regarding the impact of the sanctions on the football team.And in any event- what difference does it make? All NCAA sanctions have the potential to harm those same innocent parties in other towns whose coaches/players run afoul of the NCAA. You can disagree with the sanctions if you like, but impact on innocent parties is not a reasonable basis to do so, unless you've been consistently disagreeing with every NCAA sanction ever.

 

[NCCommish]

Well no the complaints are about the fact that most of this does nothing to the people at fault. I know who will be punished though. All the businesses and their employees that rely on Penn State football for a living. And at 50 million a year to the local economy I am guessing it will be quite a few. But hey now we know covering up child molestation is bad so we got that going for us.

There was no death penalty -- there will still be Penn State football and Beaver stadium will be packed and the parking lots will be full of tailgaters. Hotel rooms will be booked. I don't think this is going to have as much of an impact on the local economy as you think.

I'm just relaying the effect it is having today. Not some fictional down the road maybe. But what is happening right now as we type. Maybe it will change but today it's empty rooms that are normally already booked that is the reality.

If you think Beaver Stadium is going to be empty during football season you don't know very much about Penn State. And where are you getting your info that there are empty rooms? Happy Valley has been a hotbed of activity this past year -- if anything business is booming.

Not according to the people I saw interviewed last night. And I don't think it will be empty the kids will show up. But will the spending alumni show up? So far several places are saying they aren't.

I'm sure the alums and Penn State friendly businesses are providing an accurate an unbiased viewpoint regarding the impact of the sanctions on the football team.And in any event- what difference does it make? All NCAA sanctions have the potential to harm those same innocent parties in other towns whose coaches/players run afoul of the NCAA. You can disagree with the sanctions if you like, but impact on innocent parties is not a reasonable basis to do so, unless you've been consistently disagreeing with every NCAA sanction ever.

Well then I am covered because I don't think much of the NCAA. I don't think much of the corrupt chattel system they set up and foster. And in general I am against pretty much all the sanctions they pass. I am sure you could find some case I agree with but in general they suck and their rules are only good for the people making money.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Well no the complaints are about the fact that most of this does nothing to the people at fault. I know who will be punished though. All the businesses and their employees that rely on Penn State football for a living. And at 50 million a year to the local economy I am guessing it will be quite a few. But hey now we know covering up child molestation is bad so we got that going for us.

There was no death penalty -- there will still be Penn State football and Beaver stadium will be packed and the parking lots will be full of tailgaters. Hotel rooms will be booked. I don't think this is going to have as much of an impact on the local economy as you think.

I'm just relaying the effect it is having today. Not some fictional down the road maybe. But what is happening right now as we type. Maybe it will change but today it's empty rooms that are normally already booked that is the reality.

If you think Beaver Stadium is going to be empty during football season you don't know very much about Penn State. And where are you getting your info that there are empty rooms? Happy Valley has been a hotbed of activity this past year -- if anything business is booming.

Not according to the people I saw interviewed last night. And I don't think it will be empty the kids will show up. But will the spending alumni show up? So far several places are saying they aren't.

I'm sure the alums and Penn State friendly businesses are providing an accurate an unbiased viewpoint regarding the impact of the sanctions on the football team.And in any event- what difference does it make? All NCAA sanctions have the potential to harm those same innocent parties in other towns whose coaches/players run afoul of the NCAA. You can disagree with the sanctions if you like, but impact on innocent parties is not a reasonable basis to do so, unless you've been consistently disagreeing with every NCAA sanction ever.

Well then I am covered because I don't think much of the NCAA. I don't think much of the corrupt chattel system they set up and foster. And in general I am against pretty much all the sanctions they pass. I am sure you could find some case I agree with but in general they suck and their rules are only good for the people making money.

As long as you're consistent.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

sports are just way too important to way too many people.

says the hypocrite who spends his Saturday afternoons trolling a Penn St thread with derogatory remarks about joe and whining that he doesnt have the "guts to renew the PSU/Pitt rivalry" and then returns to taunt Penn St fans after their biggest loss of the past decadeim sure your established hatred of PSU football and joe paterno has no bearing on how you feel about any of this though.

Ouch.

 

[GDogg]

Where did I say they would have to do anything "outside of that?" I'm asking because I'm wondering if there is something else you aren't saying that you are assuming I clearly don't understand.I also don't think they'd win on those.

I'm saying this is wrong:

The NCAA has no obligation to provide due process.

What did you think I was saying?

I thought you were saying that the NCAA has a constitutional obligation to provide due process unless the school bends over like PSU does.And, it's not wrong. The NCAA has no constitutional obligation to provide due process. They provide some "due process" due to contract, but that's a different argument altogether. They could always change those.Where did I say they would have to do anything "outside of that?"

 

[Christo]

Where did I say they would have to do anything "outside of that?" I'm asking because I'm wondering if there is something else you aren't saying that you are assuming I clearly don't understand.I also don't think they'd win on those.

I'm saying this is wrong:

The NCAA has no obligation to provide due process.

What did you think I was saying?

I thought you were saying that the NCAA has a constitutional obligation to provide due process unless the school bends over like PSU does.

Why? Anyone with a basic knowledge of the law knows that due process isn't restricted to constitutional due process.

 

[Godsbrother]

Well no the complaints are about the fact that most of this does nothing to the people at fault. I know who will be punished though. All the businesses and their employees that rely on Penn State football for a living. And at 50 million a year to the local economy I am guessing it will be quite a few. But hey now we know covering up child molestation is bad so we got that going for us.

There was no death penalty -- there will still be Penn State football and Beaver stadium will be packed and the parking lots will be full of tailgaters. Hotel rooms will be booked. I don't think this is going to have as much of an impact on the local economy as you think.

I'm just relaying the effect it is having today. Not some fictional down the road maybe. But what is happening right now as we type. Maybe it will change but today it's empty rooms that are normally already booked that is the reality.

If you think Beaver Stadium is going to be empty during football season you don't know very much about Penn State. And where are you getting your info that there are empty rooms? Happy Valley has been a hotbed of activity this past year -- if anything business is booming.

Not according to the people I saw interviewed last night. And I don't think it will be empty the kids will show up. But will the spending alumni show up? So far several places are saying they aren't.

I have three buddies that are Penn State alums that sent their kids to Penn State (all graduated now). They have no plans to stop going to PSU games -- they love it too much. I think that most fans that were going religously to Happy Valley for football are not going to let this tragedy stop that.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I think the fact that the punishment is such a big deal is a symptom of the real problem...sports are just way too important to way too many people.

The "real problem" imo is that amateur sports are directly tied to educational institutions in this country. I know it will always be the case, but there is no good reason for it and this is really the root cause for the great majority of the problems most of us see with the NCAA and college sports in general.

 

[fatness]

State Farm Insurance has opted to drop its sponsorship of the Penn State football team for this upcoming season. All stadium signage will removed and all radio broadcast advertisements will be taken off the air for games. State Farm spokeswoman Arlene Lester told The Huffington Post, ”we felt it was the best thing to do at this time.” State Farm is the first sponsor to drop Penn State after the NCAA handed down severe penalties to the football program yesterday. “We have decided to cancel our football sponsorship for the coming season, but will remain sponsors for all the other (Penn State) teams we support,” spokeswoman Arlene Hester said.

As you may recall, Sherwin-Williams removed its logo from Penn State press conferences in the fall. Also, Cars.com refused to have their ads displayed during Penn State games in November, but have since announced that they will continue to advertise on ESPN when the Nittany Lions take the field this fall.

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“Peachy Paterno ice cream is still being manufactured and sold in the Creamery salesroom," Berkey Creamery Manager Thomas Palchak said Monday. "We reiterate this ice cream was named in honor of Joe Paterno’s academic contributions to Penn State University and does not have any connection to the football program in particular or athletics in general.

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[CrossEyed]

sports are just way too important to way too many people.

says the hypocrite who spends his Saturday afternoons trolling a Penn St thread with derogatory remarks about joe and whining that he doesnt have the "guts to renew the PSU/Pitt rivalry" and then returns to taunt Penn St fans after their biggest loss of the past decadeim sure your established hatred of PSU football and joe paterno has no bearing on how you feel about any of this though.

Yes, some posts on message board is a clear indication of how important sports are in my life. And btw, sports were, at one time, way too important in my life too. Probably still are, compared to where they should be. But thankfully they are becoming less and less important with each passing year.

Not really sure how that invalidates my statement.

ETA: BTW, a little scary that you remember my posts so well.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Not sure why anyone should have a problem with the "We are" ... unless it is followed by "Jerry Sandusky"

Graduates of Penn State should be horrified by what happened there, contrite about the penalties, and yet STILL proud of their education. Anyone who wants to take that away from them is doing so from a different motive than "the victims" ... I've seen people calling it "Pedophile State University." Tell me that comes from concerns for the victims and not a dislike/hatred for Penn State predating this scandal.

The schadenfreude is strong out there.

 

[GDogg]

Where did I say they would have to do anything "outside of that?" I'm asking because I'm wondering if there is something else you aren't saying that you are assuming I clearly don't understand.I also don't think they'd win on those.

I'm saying this is wrong:

The NCAA has no obligation to provide due process.

What did you think I was saying?

I thought you were saying that the NCAA has a constitutional obligation to provide due process unless the school bends over like PSU does.

Why? Anyone with a basic knowledge of the law knows that due process isn't restricted to constitutional due process.

Because when lay people talk about due process, most aren't talking about anything outside of constitutional due process. And, those lay people are normally shocked to hear where constitutional due process ends.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Well no the complaints are about the fact that most of this does nothing to the people at fault. I know who will be punished though. All the businesses and their employees that rely on Penn State football for a living. And at 50 million a year to the local economy I am guessing it will be quite a few. But hey now we know covering up child molestation is bad so we got that going for us.

There was no death penalty -- there will still be Penn State football and Beaver stadium will be packed and the parking lots will be full of tailgaters. Hotel rooms will be booked. I don't think this is going to have as much of an impact on the local economy as you think.

I'm just relaying the effect it is having today. Not some fictional down the road maybe. But what is happening right now as we type. Maybe it will change but today it's empty rooms that are normally already booked that is the reality.

The hotels I would stay at are booked for the September games. PSU has the largest alumni network in the world. People will go to the games. Maybe its not a 117,000 sellout every game, but PSU alum and students will still support the school and community. It's not just the game that people come back for.

 

[E-Z Glider]

sports are just way too important to way too many people.

says the hypocrite who spends his Saturday afternoons trolling a Penn St thread with derogatory remarks about joe and whining that he doesnt have the "guts to renew the PSU/Pitt rivalry" and then returns to taunt Penn St fans after their biggest loss of the past decadeim sure your established hatred of PSU football and joe paterno has no bearing on how you feel about any of this though.

Yes, some posts on message board is a clear indication of how important sports are in my life. And btw, sports were, at one time, way too important in my life too. Probably still are, compared to where they should be. But thankfully they are becoming less and less important with each passing year.

Not really sure how that invalidates my statement.

ETA: BTW, a little scary that you remember my posts so well.

It pretty much invalidates everything you've ever posted on this subject. Someone who clearly hated PSU and JoePa before any of this happened is incapable of offering unbiased commentary.And please dont flatter yourself. Took about 20 seconds to type "paterno" and "crosseyed" into the search function.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

It pretty much invalidates everything you've ever posted on this subject. Someone who clearly hated PSU and JoePa before any of this happened is incapable of offering unbiased commentary.And please dont flatter yourself. Took about 20 seconds to type "paterno" and "crosseyed" into the search function.

So anyone that clearly loves PSU and Paterno before any of this happened is invalidated too, right, because they can offer unbiased commentary?

 

[jdelsas]

The sanctions announced by the NCAA today defame the legacy and contributions of a great coach and educator without any input from our family or those who knew him best. -- The Paterno Family

Seriously, they need to shut the #### up. These idiots just do not stop with their delusional rambling. The NCAA did not need your input to find out that Joe Paterno was a scumbag who let a child molester fly under the radar for over 11 years.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

It pretty much invalidates everything you've ever posted on this subject. Someone who clearly hated PSU and JoePa before any of this happened is incapable of offering unbiased commentary.And please dont flatter yourself. Took about 20 seconds to type "paterno" and "crosseyed" into the search function.

So anyone that clearly loves PSU and Paterno before any of this happened is invalidated too, right, because they can offer unbiased commentary?

Probably. You've fought very hard in this thread against fanboys. At least now you recognize there are two sides to that coin.

 

[roadkill1292]

It pretty much invalidates everything you've ever posted on this subject. Someone who clearly hated PSU and JoePa before any of this happened is incapable of offering unbiased commentary.And please dont flatter yourself. Took about 20 seconds to type "paterno" and "crosseyed" into the search function.

So anyone that clearly loves PSU and Paterno before any of this happened is invalidated too, right, because they can offer unbiased commentary?

Probably. You've fought very hard in this thread against fanboys. At least now you recognize there are two sides to that coin.

The arguments being made stand or fall on their own merits, not on the basis of who made them. Even BGP can be right about something.

 

[E-Z Glider]

It pretty much invalidates everything you've ever posted on this subject. Someone who clearly hated PSU and JoePa before any of this happened is incapable of offering unbiased commentary.And please dont flatter yourself. Took about 20 seconds to type "paterno" and "crosseyed" into the search function.

So anyone that clearly loves PSU and Paterno before any of this happened is invalidated too, right, because they can offer unbiased commentary?

well, you forgot the "t" in cant, but yeah, that's exactly what Im saying.

 

[NCCommish]

Well no the complaints are about the fact that most of this does nothing to the people at fault. I know who will be punished though. All the businesses and their employees that rely on Penn State football for a living. And at 50 million a year to the local economy I am guessing it will be quite a few. But hey now we know covering up child molestation is bad so we got that going for us.

There was no death penalty -- there will still be Penn State football and Beaver stadium will be packed and the parking lots will be full of tailgaters. Hotel rooms will be booked. I don't think this is going to have as much of an impact on the local economy as you think.

I'm just relaying the effect it is having today. Not some fictional down the road maybe. But what is happening right now as we type. Maybe it will change but today it's empty rooms that are normally already booked that is the reality.

The hotels I would stay at are booked for the September games. PSU has the largest alumni network in the world. People will go to the games. Maybe its not a 117,000 sellout every game, but PSU alum and students will still support the school and community. It's not just the game that people come back for.

All I am going by is what the liars that apparently populate College Station are saying.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

It pretty much invalidates everything you've ever posted on this subject. Someone who clearly hated PSU and JoePa before any of this happened is incapable of offering unbiased commentary.And please dont flatter yourself. Took about 20 seconds to type "paterno" and "crosseyed" into the search function.

So anyone that clearly loves PSU and Paterno before any of this happened is invalidated too, right, because they can offer unbiased commentary?

Probably. You've fought very hard in this thread against fanboys. At least now you recognize there are two sides to that coin.

The arguments being made stand or fall on their own merits, not on the basis of who made them. Even BGP can be right about something.

And each person's bias tends to taint the objectivity and therefore merits of the argument. CrossEyed's and RamblingWreck's predisposition to hate PSU prior to the incident should be no more or less dispositive than construxboy or reneseau's love for PSU...

 

[E-Z Glider]

It pretty much invalidates everything you've ever posted on this subject. Someone who clearly hated PSU and JoePa before any of this happened is incapable of offering unbiased commentary.

And please dont flatter yourself. Took about 20 seconds to type "paterno" and "crosseyed" into the search function.

So anyone that clearly loves PSU and Paterno before any of this happened is invalidated too, right, because they can offer unbiased commentary?

Probably. You've fought very hard in this thread against fanboys. At least now you recognize there are two sides to that coin.

The arguments being made stand or fall on their own merits, not on the basis of who made them. Even BGP can be right about something.

arguments of facts stand or fall on their own merits... its the opinions being thrown around by the lovers and haters that have no merit.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

It pretty much invalidates everything you've ever posted on this subject. Someone who clearly hated PSU and JoePa before any of this happened is incapable of offering unbiased commentary.And please dont flatter yourself. Took about 20 seconds to type "paterno" and "crosseyed" into the search function.

So anyone that clearly loves PSU and Paterno before any of this happened is invalidated too, right, because they can offer unbiased commentary?

Probably. You've fought very hard in this thread against fanboys. At least now you recognize there are two sides to that coin.

The arguments being made stand or fall on their own merits, not on the basis of who made them. Even BGP can be right about something.

And each person's bias tends to taint the objectivity and therefore merits of the argument. CrossEyed's and RamblingWreck's predisposition to hate PSU prior to the incident should be no more or less dispositive than construxboy or reneseau's love for PSU...

I hated Penn State prior to this incident?

 

[Idiot Boxer]

It pretty much invalidates everything you've ever posted on this subject. Someone who clearly hated PSU and JoePa before any of this happened is incapable of offering unbiased commentary.And please dont flatter yourself. Took about 20 seconds to type "paterno" and "crosseyed" into the search function.

So anyone that clearly loves PSU and Paterno before any of this happened is invalidated too, right, because they can offer unbiased commentary?

Probably. You've fought very hard in this thread against fanboys. At least now you recognize there are two sides to that coin.

The arguments being made stand or fall on their own merits, not on the basis of who made them. Even BGP can be right about something.

And each person's bias tends to taint the objectivity and therefore merits of the argument. CrossEyed's and RamblingWreck's predisposition to hate PSU prior to the incident should be no more or less dispositive than construxboy or reneseau's love for PSU...

I hated Penn State prior to this incident?

I've seen you on many occasions hate "The Big Guy" - I would take that to mean Penn State, USC, Alabama, Notre Dame, North Carolina, The Dallas Cowboys, etc. If I'm wrong, I'm sure you'll let me know.

 

[roadkill1292]

And each person's bias tends to taint the objectivity and therefore merits of the argument. CrossEyed's and RamblingWreck's predisposition to hate PSU prior to the incident should be no more or less dispositive than construxboy or reneseau's love for PSU...

arguments of facts stand or fall on their own merits... its the opinions being thrown around by the lovers and haters that have no merit.

I don't think I buy either of these arguments, especially in light of the dearth of facts really in dispute in this thread. But I really really like the use of the word "dispositive."And as far as schadenfreude goes, it will indeed be good to see Penn State fans having a mediocre football team for a while (as it would for any of the factories). They've been up for a long long time and it will be good for the rest of us to have them join us in the wallows of mediocrity. Good life lesson for the PSUers, too.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Well no the complaints are about the fact that most of this does nothing to the people at fault. I know who will be punished though. All the businesses and their employees that rely on Penn State football for a living. And at 50 million a year to the local economy I am guessing it will be quite a few. But hey now we know covering up child molestation is bad so we got that going for us.

There was no death penalty -- there will still be Penn State football and Beaver stadium will be packed and the parking lots will be full of tailgaters. Hotel rooms will be booked. I don't think this is going to have as much of an impact on the local economy as you think.

I'm just relaying the effect it is having today. Not some fictional down the road maybe. But what is happening right now as we type. Maybe it will change but today it's empty rooms that are normally already booked that is the reality.

The hotels I would stay at are booked for the September games. PSU has the largest alumni network in the world. People will go to the games. Maybe its not a 117,000 sellout every game, but PSU alum and students will still support the school and community. It's not just the game that people come back for.

All I am going by is what the liars that apparently populate College Station are saying.

What is this College Station you speak of?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

And as far as schadenfreude goes, it will indeed be good to see Penn State fans having a mediocre football team for a while (as it would for any of the factories). They've been up for a long long time and it will be good for the rest of us to have them join us in the wallows of mediocrity. Good life lesson for the PSUers, too.

Construxboy is a Bills fan. Speaking as one myself, I can verify that he really doesn't need any more life lessons on what it's like to root for a ####ty team.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

It pretty much invalidates everything you've ever posted on this subject. Someone who clearly hated PSU and JoePa before any of this happened is incapable of offering unbiased commentary.And please dont flatter yourself. Took about 20 seconds to type "paterno" and "crosseyed" into the search function.

So anyone that clearly loves PSU and Paterno before any of this happened is invalidated too, right, because they can offer unbiased commentary?

Probably. You've fought very hard in this thread against fanboys. At least now you recognize there are two sides to that coin.

The arguments being made stand or fall on their own merits, not on the basis of who made them. Even BGP can be right about something.

And each person's bias tends to taint the objectivity and therefore merits of the argument. CrossEyed's and RamblingWreck's predisposition to hate PSU prior to the incident should be no more or less dispositive than construxboy or reneseau's love for PSU...

I hated Penn State prior to this incident?

I've seen you on many occasions hate "The Big Guy" - I would take that to mean Penn State, USC, Alabama, Notre Dame, North Carolina, The Dallas Cowboys, etc. If I'm wrong, I'm sure you'll let me know.

Yeah, you're wrong. Always been indifferent on Penn State. I'm sure you could find comments from me way back in the day with Paterno getting away with shoving a referee that most coaches couldn't get away with but never rooted against them just because they were Penn St or a large school.

 

[roadkill1292]

And as far as schadenfreude goes, it will indeed be good to see Penn State fans having a mediocre football team for a while (as it would for any of the factories). They've been up for a long long time and it will be good for the rest of us to have them join us in the wallows of mediocrity. Good life lesson for the PSUers, too.

Construxboy is a Bills fan. Speaking as one myself, I can verify that he really doesn't need any more life lessons on what it's like to root for a ####ty team.

Maybe the Bills will begin to dominate the AFC East to balance things out.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

And as far as schadenfreude goes, it will indeed be good to see Penn State fans having a mediocre football team for a while (as it would for any of the factories). They've been up for a long long time and it will be good for the rest of us to have them join us in the wallows of mediocrity. Good life lesson for the PSUers, too.

Construxboy is a Bills fan. Speaking as one myself, I can verify that he really doesn't need any more life lessons on what it's like to root for a ####ty team.

Maybe the Bills will begin to dominate the AFC East to balance things out.

He's also a UNC basketball fan so he's had plenty of dominant teams to root for.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Is The Commish on vacation or did he get a vacation for some reason? Odd not to see him posting in these threads the last couple of days.

 

[roadkill1292]

And as far as schadenfreude goes, it will indeed be good to see Penn State fans having a mediocre football team for a while (as it would for any of the factories). They've been up for a long long time and it will be good for the rest of us to have them join us in the wallows of mediocrity. Good life lesson for the PSUers, too.

Construxboy is a Bills fan. Speaking as one myself, I can verify that he really doesn't need any more life lessons on what it's like to root for a ####ty team.

Maybe the Bills will begin to dominate the AFC East to balance things out.

He's also a UNC basketball fan so he's had plenty of dominant teams to root for.

Penn State AND North Carolina? Well, it's becoming clear that he only roots for the Bills as some kind of penance.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

And as far as schadenfreude goes, it will indeed be good to see Penn State fans having a mediocre football team for a while (as it would for any of the factories). They've been up for a long long time and it will be good for the rest of us to have them join us in the wallows of mediocrity. Good life lesson for the PSUers, too.

Construxboy is a Bills fan. Speaking as one myself, I can verify that he really doesn't need any more life lessons on what it's like to root for a ####ty team.

Maybe the Bills will begin to dominate the AFC East to balance things out.

He's also a UNC basketball fan so he's had plenty of dominant teams to root for.

Penn State AND North Carolina? Well, it's becoming clear that he only roots for the Bills as some kind of penance.

He may have gone to both the schools. If so, that exonerates him.

 

[roadkill1292]

And as far as schadenfreude goes, it will indeed be good to see Penn State fans having a mediocre football team for a while (as it would for any of the factories). They've been up for a long long time and it will be good for the rest of us to have them join us in the wallows of mediocrity. Good life lesson for the PSUers, too.

Construxboy is a Bills fan. Speaking as one myself, I can verify that he really doesn't need any more life lessons on what it's like to root for a ####ty team.

Maybe the Bills will begin to dominate the AFC East to balance things out.

He's also a UNC basketball fan so he's had plenty of dominant teams to root for.

Penn State AND North Carolina? Well, it's becoming clear that he only roots for the Bills as some kind of penance.

He may have gone to both the schools. If so, that exonerates him.

Maybe but not necessarily. He could remain guilty if he went to either place because of the sports teams in question.

 

[Christo]

Where did I say they would have to do anything "outside of that?" I'm asking because I'm wondering if there is something else you aren't saying that you are assuming I clearly don't understand.I also don't think they'd win on those.

I'm saying this is wrong:

The NCAA has no obligation to provide due process.

What did you think I was saying?

I thought you were saying that the NCAA has a constitutional obligation to provide due process unless the school bends over like PSU does.

Why? Anyone with a basic knowledge of the law knows that due process isn't restricted to constitutional due process.

Because when lay people talk about due process, most aren't talking about anything outside of constitutional due process. And, those lay people are normally shocked to hear where constitutional due process ends.

So? I bet I could tell most people the idea of due process comes from the Declaration of Independence or the Magna Carta and they'd have no clue if I was right. But you've indicated you understand the issue. What does this have to do with our discussion?

 

[Christo]

Well no the complaints are about the fact that most of this does nothing to the people at fault. I know who will be punished though. All the businesses and their employees that rely on Penn State football for a living. And at 50 million a year to the local economy I am guessing it will be quite a few. But hey now we know covering up child molestation is bad so we got that going for us.

There was no death penalty -- there will still be Penn State football and Beaver stadium will be packed and the parking lots will be full of tailgaters. Hotel rooms will be booked. I don't think this is going to have as much of an impact on the local economy as you think.

I'm just relaying the effect it is having today. Not some fictional down the road maybe. But what is happening right now as we type. Maybe it will change but today it's empty rooms that are normally already booked that is the reality.

The hotels I would stay at are booked for the September games. PSU has the largest alumni network in the world. People will go to the games. Maybe its not a 117,000 sellout every game, but PSU alum and students will still support the school and community. It's not just the game that people come back for.

All I am going by is what the liars that apparently populate College Station are saying.

I don't like Aggies much myself.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

If these restrictions essentially make Penn State a Division II football team (or whatever the proper term is these days) how will that affect the Big 10? Will Penn State essentially become the doormat of the Big 10 for the next several years?

losing those scholarships means they will be crushed and a MAC team a Division IAA team for the next 4 years 10 years minimum. Competing against Alabama with 20 less scholarship athletes? GLWAT. This is almost insurmountable.

updatedWelcome to the Football Championship Subdivision!!~@!~@

(FWIW, FCS schools operate with 63 scholarhips. PSU will be rolling with 65).

Like I told a fellow alum, we'll be a great engineering school with a lousy football team. Hey, we're Purdue!

 

[GDogg]

Where did I say they would have to do anything "outside of that?" I'm asking because I'm wondering if there is something else you aren't saying that you are assuming I clearly don't understand.I also don't think they'd win on those.

I'm saying this is wrong:

The NCAA has no obligation to provide due process.

What did you think I was saying?

I thought you were saying that the NCAA has a constitutional obligation to provide due process unless the school bends over like PSU does.

Why? Anyone with a basic knowledge of the law knows that due process isn't restricted to constitutional due process.

Because when lay people talk about due process, most aren't talking about anything outside of constitutional due process. And, those lay people are normally shocked to hear where constitutional due process ends.

So? I bet I could tell most people the idea of due process comes from the Declaration of Independence or the Magna Carta and they'd have no clue if I was right. But you've indicated you understand the issue. What does this have to do with our discussion?

What do you mean what does this have to do with our discussion? You asked me why I thought that's what you were saying. I told you why. That's what it has to do with our discussion. You asked me the question.I don't pretend to know your background when you responded to my response to another poster.

 

[Christo]

Where did I say they would have to do anything "outside of that?" I'm asking because I'm wondering if there is something else you aren't saying that you are assuming I clearly don't understand.I also don't think they'd win on those.

I'm saying this is wrong:

The NCAA has no obligation to provide due process.

What did you think I was saying?

I thought you were saying that the NCAA has a constitutional obligation to provide due process unless the school bends over like PSU does.

Why? Anyone with a basic knowledge of the law knows that due process isn't restricted to constitutional due process.

Because when lay people talk about due process, most aren't talking about anything outside of constitutional due process. And, those lay people are normally shocked to hear where constitutional due process ends.

So? I bet I could tell most people the idea of due process comes from the Declaration of Independence or the Magna Carta and they'd have no clue if I was right. But you've indicated you understand the issue. What does this have to do with our discussion?

What do you mean what does this have to do with our discussion? You asked me why I thought that's what you were saying. I told you why. That's what it has to do with our discussion. You asked me the question.I don't pretend to know your background when you responded to my response to another poster.

So when I laughed at your assertion that the NCAA has "no obligation to provide due process" your assumption was that I didn't understand that due process went beyond the constitution. Gotcha

 

[ConstruxBoy]

And as far as schadenfreude goes, it will indeed be good to see Penn State fans having a mediocre football team for a while (as it would for any of the factories). They've been up for a long long time and it will be good for the rest of us to have them join us in the wallows of mediocrity. Good life lesson for the PSUers, too.

Construxboy is a Bills fan. Speaking as one myself, I can verify that he really doesn't need any more life lessons on what it's like to root for a ####ty team.

I mean, really. And a Sabres fan. Mention Brett Hull and I'll kick you in the nuts. At least my college basketball team, the Tar Heels, have won two titles in the last 7 years and certainly couldn't get caught up in an academic fraud case started by the football team that could invalidate those titles. Oh wait. ####. I hate sports.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

And as far as schadenfreude goes, it will indeed be good to see Penn State fans having a mediocre football team for a while (as it would for any of the factories). They've been up for a long long time and it will be good for the rest of us to have them join us in the wallows of mediocrity. Good life lesson for the PSUers, too.

Construxboy is a Bills fan. Speaking as one myself, I can verify that he really doesn't need any more life lessons on what it's like to root for a ####ty team.

Maybe the Bills will begin to dominate the AFC East to balance things out.

He's also a UNC basketball fan so he's had plenty of dominant teams to root for.

Penn State AND North Carolina? Well, it's becoming clear that he only roots for the Bills as some kind of penance.

He may have gone to both the schools. If so, that exonerates him.

Maybe but not necessarily. He could remain guilty if he went to either place because of the sports teams in question.

Went to Penn State. Started rooting for UNC basketball in high school when my brother started rooting for Duke after seeing our high school team get demolished by a guy on the other team going to Duke the next season. Had to do it as an older brother. It's been fun.

 

[Maude]

And as far as schadenfreude goes, it will indeed be good to see Penn State fans having a mediocre football team for a while (as it would for any of the factories). They've been up for a long long time and it will be good for the rest of us to have them join us in the wallows of mediocrity. Good life lesson for the PSUers, too.

Construxboy is a Bills fan. Speaking as one myself, I can verify that he really doesn't need any more life lessons on what it's like to root for a ####ty team.

I mean, really. And a Sabres fan. Mention Brett Hull and I'll kick you in the nuts. At least my college basketball team, the Tar Heels, have won two titles in the last 7 years and certainly couldn't get caught up in an academic fraud case started by the football team that could invalidate those titles. Oh wait. ####. I hate sports.

It was not a kick.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

And as far as schadenfreude goes, it will indeed be good to see Penn State fans having a mediocre football team for a while (as it would for any of the factories). They've been up for a long long time and it will be good for the rest of us to have them join us in the wallows of mediocrity. Good life lesson for the PSUers, too.

Construxboy is a Bills fan. Speaking as one myself, I can verify that he really doesn't need any more life lessons on what it's like to root for a ####ty team.

I mean, really. And a Sabres fan. Mention Brett Hull and I'll kick you in the nuts. At least my college basketball team, the Tar Heels, have won two titles in the last 7 years and certainly couldn't get caught up in an academic fraud case started by the football team that could invalidate those titles. Oh wait. ####. I hate sports.

It was not a kick.

His freaking skate was in the crease! They called it that way all year. But OT in Game 6 of the cup? Eh, who cares.

 

[GDogg]

Where did I say they would have to do anything "outside of that?" I'm asking because I'm wondering if there is something else you aren't saying that you are assuming I clearly don't understand.I also don't think they'd win on those.

I'm saying this is wrong:

The NCAA has no obligation to provide due process.

What did you think I was saying?

I thought you were saying that the NCAA has a constitutional obligation to provide due process unless the school bends over like PSU does.

Why? Anyone with a basic knowledge of the law knows that due process isn't restricted to constitutional due process.

Because when lay people talk about due process, most aren't talking about anything outside of constitutional due process. And, those lay people are normally shocked to hear where constitutional due process ends.

So? I bet I could tell most people the idea of due process comes from the Declaration of Independence or the Magna Carta and they'd have no clue if I was right. But you've indicated you understand the issue. What does this have to do with our discussion?

What do you mean what does this have to do with our discussion? You asked me why I thought that's what you were saying. I told you why. That's what it has to do with our discussion. You asked me the question.I don't pretend to know your background when you responded to my response to another poster.

So when I laughed at your assertion that the NCAA has "no obligation to provide due process" your assumption was that I didn't understand that due process went beyond the constitution. Gotcha

I don't speak emoticon. Why would I assume anything about you one way or the other?I don't know anything about you other than I do recall that I generally agree with you on a lot of topics.Do you understand what this had to do with the discussion now?

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Where did I say they would have to do anything "outside of that?" I'm asking because I'm wondering if there is something else you aren't saying that you are assuming I clearly don't understand.I also don't think they'd win on those.

I'm saying this is wrong:

The NCAA has no obligation to provide due process.

What did you think I was saying?

I thought you were saying that the NCAA has a constitutional obligation to provide due process unless the school bends over like PSU does.

Why? Anyone with a basic knowledge of the law knows that due process isn't restricted to constitutional due process.

Because when lay people talk about due process, most aren't talking about anything outside of constitutional due process. And, those lay people are normally shocked to hear where constitutional due process ends.

So? I bet I could tell most people the idea of due process comes from the Declaration of Independence or the Magna Carta and they'd have no clue if I was right. But you've indicated you understand the issue. What does this have to do with our discussion?

What do you mean what does this have to do with our discussion? You asked me why I thought that's what you were saying. I told you why. That's what it has to do with our discussion. You asked me the question.I don't pretend to know your background when you responded to my response to another poster.

So when I laughed at your assertion that the NCAA has "no obligation to provide due process" your assumption was that I didn't understand that due process went beyond the constitution. Gotcha

I don't speak emoticon. Why would I assume anything about you one way or the other?I don't know anything about you other than I do recall that I generally agree with you on a lot of topics.Do you understand what this had to do with the discussion now?

He's just upset that you assumed he had a layman's understanding of due process.

 

[Christo]

Where did I say they would have to do anything "outside of that?" I'm asking because I'm wondering if there is something else you aren't saying that you are assuming I clearly don't understand.I also don't think they'd win on those.

I'm saying this is wrong:

The NCAA has no obligation to provide due process.

What did you think I was saying?

I thought you were saying that the NCAA has a constitutional obligation to provide due process unless the school bends over like PSU does.

Why? Anyone with a basic knowledge of the law knows that due process isn't restricted to constitutional due process.

Because when lay people talk about due process, most aren't talking about anything outside of constitutional due process. And, those lay people are normally shocked to hear where constitutional due process ends.

So? I bet I could tell most people the idea of due process comes from the Declaration of Independence or the Magna Carta and they'd have no clue if I was right. But you've indicated you understand the issue. What does this have to do with our discussion?

What do you mean what does this have to do with our discussion? You asked me why I thought that's what you were saying. I told you why. That's what it has to do with our discussion. You asked me the question.I don't pretend to know your background when you responded to my response to another poster.

So when I laughed at your assertion that the NCAA has "no obligation to provide due process" your assumption was that I didn't understand that due process went beyond the constitution. Gotcha

I don't speak emoticon. Why would I assume anything about you one way or the other?I don't know anything about you other than I do recall that I generally agree with you on a lot of topics.Do you understand what this had to do with the discussion now?

No. You seem intent on proving something that isn't at issue.

 

[Christo]

He's just upset that you assumed he had a layman's understanding of due process.

I'm not upset. I am just :shuked: as to why he assumed he had to disprove something that I never said.