**Not-so-offical Green Bay Packers Off-season Thread** (1 Viewer)

[scrumptrulescent]

This thread has turned into a reetard fight

 

[sho nuff]

Just like Ted Thompson did.

Another parsed quote...no surprise.Yup...just like Ted did. Though, I like that he is moving possibly to full time center to battle with Wells for the starter and could still be used at guard in a pinch.

Another post talking out of both sides of your mouth....you want to use Spitz to take a shot at Kiper yet then try to cover the other end by saying "he is moving possibly to full time center to battle with Wells for the starter and could still be used at guard in a pinch."

Another post showing you have no clue.I joked that they both liked spitz...hence the smilie.I like Spitz ok at Center to battle Wells and as a quality backup and could be used in a pinch.Nothing about that is talking about of both sides of my mouth...just another example of you jumping to bash simply because I posted it.

 

[sho nuff]

This thread has turned into a reetard fight

I apologize to all and will try to keep the useless banter down. It does nothing for the thread...but sometimes feel the need to defend myself from mindless bashing by a select few.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

This thread has turned into a reetard fight

I apologize to all and will try to keep the useless banter down. It does nothing for the thread...but sometimes feel the need to defend myself from mindless bashing by a select few.

 

[sho nuff]

Wow...just wow.

 

[sho nuff]

I will give someone an example of a player that is intriguing but Id be unhappy (though, watching his combine its not as scary) with at 9.

Aaron Maybin.

The guy is extremely athletic...put on some weight and is still very young.

Im so up in the air on this guy...prior to watching him....was not so sure about him at 9...still think he is more of a 15-20ish type pick though.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

I will give someone an example of a player that is intriguing but Id be unhappy (though, watching his combine its not as scary) with at 9.Aaron Maybin.The guy is extremely athletic...put on some weight and is still very young.Im so up in the air on this guy...prior to watching him....was not so sure about him at 9...still think he is more of a 15-20ish type pick though.

I'm confused. You are been trying to support how it's ok to take a player projected in the 2nd round(you at least backed off on the 3rd round) at #9 but you are not sure about taking a #15-20ish overall pick at #9.

 

[sho nuff]

I will give someone an example of a player that is intriguing but Id be unhappy (though, watching his combine its not as scary) with at 9.Aaron Maybin.The guy is extremely athletic...put on some weight and is still very young.Im so up in the air on this guy...prior to watching him....was not so sure about him at 9...still think he is more of a 15-20ish type pick though.

I'm confused. You are been trying to support how it's ok to take a player projected in the 2nd round(you at least backed off on the 3rd round) at #9 but you are not sure about taking a #15-20ish overall pick at #9.

As I said, Im staying away from the useless banter. I never claimed it was ok to draft a 3rd rounder.I brought up Maybin as an interesting guy, not as support of any 2nd round guy.Care to address what I actually posted though?

 

[Ookie Pringle]

I will give someone an example of a player that is intriguing but Id be unhappy (though, watching his combine its not as scary) with at 9.Aaron Maybin.The guy is extremely athletic...put on some weight and is still very young.Im so up in the air on this guy...prior to watching him....was not so sure about him at 9...still think he is more of a 15-20ish type pick though.

I'm confused. You are been trying to support how it's ok to take a player projected in the 2nd round(you at least backed off on the 3rd round) at #9 but you are not sure about taking a #15-20ish overall pick at #9.

As I said, Im staying away from the useless banter. I never claimed it was ok to draft a 3rd rounder.I brought up Maybin as an interesting guy, not as support of any 2nd round guy.Care to address what I actually posted though?

I never claimed you said it was ok for a 3rd rounder. You backed off that one unlike some of the TT supporters.I just was trying to have you clarify your position....it isn't useless banter.You just made a big stink debating about rankings, experts etc... and how it would be ok for a projected 2nd rounder to go at #9 yet you are uncomfortable about taking a player ranked overall #15-20ish at #9. I just thought we'd like to see how you make sense of that.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I will give someone an example of a player that is intriguing but Id be unhappy (though, watching his combine its not as scary) with at 9.Aaron Maybin.The guy is extremely athletic...put on some weight and is still very young.Im so up in the air on this guy...prior to watching him....was not so sure about him at 9...still think he is more of a 15-20ish type pick though.

Maybin just doesn't strike me as a TT guy.Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't TT have a track record of drafting Seniors over players coming out early with his early picks in the draft? Other than Brandon Jackson, TT has never taken anyone other than a senior in the 1st two rounds of the draft. Maybin doesn't fit TT's MO. Who does?Eugene MonroeJason SmithMichael OherMichael JenkinsBJ RajiAaron CurryRey MaualugaBrian CushingTyson JacksonRobert AyersI think the player to be picked at #9 is one of these guys. Dear Lord don't let it be Cushing......(manufactured athlete).

 

[fatkid]

I will give someone an example of a player that is intriguing but Id be unhappy (though, watching his combine its not as scary) with at 9.Aaron Maybin.The guy is extremely athletic...put on some weight and is still very young.Im so up in the air on this guy...prior to watching him....was not so sure about him at 9...still think he is more of a 15-20ish type pick though.

Maybin just doesn't strike me as a TT guy.Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't TT have a track record of drafting Seniors over players coming out early with his early picks in the draft? Other than Brandon Jackson, TT has never taken anyone other than a senior in the 1st two rounds of the draft. Maybin doesn't fit TT's MO. Who does?Eugene MonroeJason SmithMichael OherMichael JenkinsBJ RajiAaron CurryRey MaualugaBrian CushingTyson JacksonRobert AyersI think the player to be picked at #9 is one of these guys. Dear Lord don't let it be Cushing......(manufactured athlete).

I agree Maybin is not a fit because of his lack of experience. I don't think this is a fluke that TT looks for more reps to get a better idea of consistency and multiple seasons to see if a player improves in the off seasonTo me, the worse case scenario for us at this point is the following players going before we pick.Eugene MonroeJason SmithMichael OherMichael JenkinsBJ RajiAaron CurryBrian OrakpoMichael CrabtreeThis is possible if the Lions and the Chiefs pass on a QB.Did you see that Malcolm Jenkins is only 6 feet tall? So much for being too big for corner.

 

[uwgb96]

Good God do some of you like to stir things up. Nowhere that I saw (and I could certainly be wrong) did I see anyone state they were OK with Thompson "reaching" for someone at #9. The closest thing was:

don't be surprised on draft day if you have to look into round 2 or 3 on your beat-writer's NFL draft guide to find the guy Thompson picks. I then stated that what some people consider a 2nd round talent, may be viewed as a 1st round talent by others, etc.

Those were then somehow immediately construed as being a TT supporter and defending everything he does, when in fact they were basically statements that rankings are in the eye of the beholder.

While sometimes sparse, there has been some good discussion and info in this thread, but can we PLEASE give the TT/Favre wars a rest?

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Did you see that Malcolm Jenkins is only 6 feet tall? So much for being too big for corner.

Jenkins didn't help himself with his 40 today at the combine from what I've read. 4.52 and 4.59 were his 40 times. Now the draft nerds will be saying he's a better safety fit.It could potentially hurt his chances with TT. TT likes his DB's fast. Real fast.Patrick Lee - 4.41Aaron Rouse - 4.58 (not bad for 6'4", 230 lbs)Will Blackmon - 4.47Nick Collins - 4.36 Marviel Underwood - 4.45Barring what happens at Jenkins' pro day, TT may pass for someone else now based on that 4.5 barrier and Green Bay's strict guidelines for CB's.

 

[jurrassic]

I am hoping the Packers don't take an OT at #9. I know it is a need, but I don't think it as pressing of a need as others do. The offense was top 10 in the league last year and they have a dearth of young o-lineman. I do think TT should stop drafting tweeners and draft guys who fill a position. The flexibility is nice but draft a guy who is a good tackle, not a guy who can play tackle, but they are going to start him at guard, then move him to the right side than the left side, etc.

My hope for for the draft is either Raji or Rey. Maualuga scares me as a pick a little bit based on the production of linebackers taken in the top 10 picks in the past, but the guy is a football player. With the shift to having twice as many linebackers the Packers need talent at the position. That being said, if Crabtree falls to 9 I would pick him in a second. Not a need but talent is talent.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I am hoping the Packers don't take an OT at #9. I know it is a need, but I don't think it as pressing of a need as others do. The offense was top 10 in the league last year and they have a dearth of young o-lineman. I do think TT should stop drafting tweeners and draft guys who fill a position. The flexibility is nice but draft a guy who is a good tackle, not a guy who can play tackle, but they are going to start him at guard, then move him to the right side than the left side, etc.

My hope for for the draft is either Raji or Rey. Maualuga scares me as a pick a little bit based on the production of linebackers taken in the top 10 picks in the past, but the guy is a football player. With the shift to having twice as many linebackers the Packers need talent at the position. That being said, if Crabtree falls to 9 I would pick him in a second. Not a need but talent is talent.

SI Combine Risers/SlidersRey may have some issues...

Rey Maualuga/LB/USC: Maualuga's downward spiral seemingly continues. He completed his initial attempt in the 40 in over 4.8 seconds then slumped to the ground with a hamstring injury after crossing the finish line. There's a lot of concern in Indianapolis regarding Maualuga's well-being and some of the decisions he's made in the past few months. He was once considered a top 10pick but is falling to the end portion of round one.

Raji still seems to be as solid as ever...

BJ Raji/DT/Boston College: Raji's all-around workout was solid. He completed 33 reps on the bench press, then ran relatively well in the 40 (5.13) after tipping the scales at 337 pounds. He moved exceptionally well for such a big man in drills and looked very athletic.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I am hoping the Packers don't take an OT at #9. I know it is a need, but I don't think it as pressing of a need as others do. The offense was top 10 in the league last year and they have a dearth of young o-lineman. I do think TT should stop drafting tweeners and draft guys who fill a position. The flexibility is nice but draft a guy who is a good tackle, not a guy who can play tackle, but they are going to start him at guard, then move him to the right side than the left side, etc.

My hope for for the draft is either Raji or Rey. Maualuga scares me as a pick a little bit based on the production of linebackers taken in the top 10 picks in the past, but the guy is a football player. With the shift to having twice as many linebackers the Packers need talent at the position. That being said, if Crabtree falls to 9 I would pick him in a second. Not a need but talent is talent.

SI Combine Risers/SlidersRey may have some issues...

Rey Maualuga/LB/USC: Maualuga's downward spiral seemingly continues. He completed his initial attempt in the 40 in over 4.8 seconds then slumped to the ground with a hamstring injury after crossing the finish line. There's a lot of concern in Indianapolis regarding Maualuga's well-being and some of the decisions he's made in the past few months. He was once considered a top 10pick but is falling to the end portion of round one.

Raji still seems to be as solid as ever...

BJ Raji/DT/Boston College: Raji's all-around workout was solid. He completed 33 reps on the bench press, then ran relatively well in the 40 (5.13) after tipping the scales at 337 pounds. He moved exceptionally well for such a big man in drills and looked very athletic.

I'm starting to worry that Raji doesn't last until #10.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I am hoping the Packers don't take an OT at #9. I know it is a need, but I don't think it as pressing of a need as others do. The offense was top 10 in the league last year and they have a dearth of young o-lineman. I do think TT should stop drafting tweeners and draft guys who fill a position. The flexibility is nice but draft a guy who is a good tackle, not a guy who can play tackle, but they are going to start him at guard, then move him to the right side than the left side, etc.

My hope for for the draft is either Raji or Rey. Maualuga scares me as a pick a little bit based on the production of linebackers taken in the top 10 picks in the past, but the guy is a football player. With the shift to having twice as many linebackers the Packers need talent at the position. That being said, if Crabtree falls to 9 I would pick him in a second. Not a need but talent is talent.

SI Combine Risers/SlidersRey may have some issues...

Rey Maualuga/LB/USC: Maualuga's downward spiral seemingly continues. He completed his initial attempt in the 40 in over 4.8 seconds then slumped to the ground with a hamstring injury after crossing the finish line. There's a lot of concern in Indianapolis regarding Maualuga's well-being and some of the decisions he's made in the past few months. He was once considered a top 10pick but is falling to the end portion of round one.

Raji still seems to be as solid as ever...

BJ Raji/DT/Boston College: Raji's all-around workout was solid. He completed 33 reps on the bench press, then ran relatively well in the 40 (5.13) after tipping the scales at 337 pounds. He moved exceptionally well for such a big man in drills and looked very athletic.

I'm starting to worry that Raji doesn't last until #10.

This guy's name keeps coming up.

Jarron Gilbert/DL/San Jose State: Gilbert measured 6-feet-5, 288 pounds then ran his 40s in swift times of 4.8-seconds. He looked very athletic in drills and displayed the skills necessary to be used as a defensive tackle or two-gap end. Gilbert also completed 28 reps on the bench press. It's not a mind-boggling total but rather impressive when one considers Gilbert's arms measure just a fraction under 37 inches.

Could Gilbert enjoy the meteoric rise in stock that Mayo did last year?

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Hey, I posted about Gilbert on the previous page.

 

[bcr8f]

Did you see that Malcolm Jenkins is only 6 feet tall? So much for being too big for corner.

Jenkins didn't help himself with his 40 today at the combine from what I've read. 4.52 and 4.59 were his 40 times. Now the draft nerds will be saying he's a better safety fit.It could potentially hurt his chances with TT. TT likes his DB's fast. Real fast.

Patrick Lee - 4.41

Aaron Rouse - 4.58 (not bad for 6'4", 230 lbs)

Will Blackmon - 4.47

Nick Collins - 4.36

Marviel Underwood - 4.45

Barring what happens at Jenkins' pro day, TT may pass for someone else now based on that 4.5 barrier and Green Bay's strict guidelines for CB's.

Strict guidelines?

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Did you see that Malcolm Jenkins is only 6 feet tall? So much for being too big for corner.

Jenkins didn't help himself with his 40 today at the combine from what I've read. 4.52 and 4.59 were his 40 times. Now the draft nerds will be saying he's a better safety fit.It could potentially hurt his chances with TT. TT likes his DB's fast. Real fast.

Patrick Lee - 4.41

Aaron Rouse - 4.58 (not bad for 6'4", 230 lbs)

Will Blackmon - 4.47

Nick Collins - 4.36

Marviel Underwood - 4.45

Barring what happens at Jenkins' pro day, TT may pass for someone else now based on that 4.5 barrier and Green Bay's strict guidelines for CB's.

Strict guidelines?

I believe they used to be relatively strict. Read it last year on a GB fan site, not sure which one, about how TT and McCarthy want big, fast, physical, cover corners. They used 4.4 speed, 200 lbs., and 6 foot to set the bar. The measurables aren't set in stone but go ahead and look at their roster. Most are close, if not over those numbers. That's why they were hoping to get Antoine Cason in last year's draft too.....he fit the mold.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

This guy's name keeps coming up.

Jarron Gilbert/DL/San Jose State: Gilbert measured 6-feet-5, 288 pounds then ran his 40s in swift times of 4.8-seconds. He looked very athletic in drills and displayed the skills necessary to be used as a defensive tackle or two-gap end. Gilbert also completed 28 reps on the bench press. It's not a mind-boggling total but rather impressive when one considers Gilbert's arms measure just a fraction under 37 inches.

Could Gilbert enjoy the meteoric rise in stock that Mayo did last year?

the Gilbert pool vid is reportedly a hot topic in Indy

 

[scrumptrulescent]

You guys are crazy... Nnamdi Asomugha ran the forty in 4.5 also.

And he is the best corner in the entire league the last two seasons.

According to Draftscout he ran a 4.4 at the combine.Nnamdi Draftscout

 

[Balco]

I am hoping the Packers don't take an OT at #9. I know it is a need, but I don't think it as pressing of a need as others do. The offense was top 10 in the league last year and they have a dearth of young o-lineman. I do think TT should stop drafting tweeners and draft guys who fill a position. The flexibility is nice but draft a guy who is a good tackle, not a guy who can play tackle, but they are going to start him at guard, then move him to the right side than the left side, etc.My hope for for the draft is either Raji or Rey. Maualuga scares me as a pick a little bit based on the production of linebackers taken in the top 10 picks in the past, but the guy is a football player. With the shift to having twice as many linebackers the Packers need talent at the position. That being said, if Crabtree falls to 9 I would pick him in a second. Not a need but talent is talent.

Maluaga is vastly overrated and would be an atrocious pick for the Packers in the 1st or 2nd round. Not an everydown linebacker and does not have the instincts to be an impact player in the pros.

 

[sho nuff]

I will give someone an example of a player that is intriguing but Id be unhappy (though, watching his combine its not as scary) with at 9.Aaron Maybin.The guy is extremely athletic...put on some weight and is still very young.Im so up in the air on this guy...prior to watching him....was not so sure about him at 9...still think he is more of a 15-20ish type pick though.

I'm confused. You are been trying to support how it's ok to take a player projected in the 2nd round(you at least backed off on the 3rd round) at #9 but you are not sure about taking a #15-20ish overall pick at #9.

As I said, Im staying away from the useless banter. I never claimed it was ok to draft a 3rd rounder.I brought up Maybin as an interesting guy, not as support of any 2nd round guy.Care to address what I actually posted though?

I never claimed you said it was ok for a 3rd rounder. You backed off that one unlike some of the TT supporters.I just was trying to have you clarify your position....it isn't useless banter.You just made a big stink debating about rankings, experts etc... and how it would be ok for a projected 2nd rounder to go at #9 yet you are uncomfortable about taking a player ranked overall #15-20ish at #9. I just thought we'd like to see how you make sense of that.

How can I back off of something I was never on board for?Some? Like who? It has barely been mentioned.My position is simple. I posted about Maybin as he is of interest to me after watching his workout at the combine. Seeing how he is handling the extra weight.I made no stink. Simply made the point that people just worrying about Kiper's rankings or Mayocks need to seek some other sources and realize that often NFL scouts see it differently.How I make sense of it is it depends on the guy. I don't see Maybin as a top 10 pick. Thats not to say there may not be someone that a draft "guru" has in the 2nd is not worthy of it.

 

[sho nuff]

I will give someone an example of a player that is intriguing but Id be unhappy (though, watching his combine its not as scary) with at 9.Aaron Maybin.The guy is extremely athletic...put on some weight and is still very young.Im so up in the air on this guy...prior to watching him....was not so sure about him at 9...still think he is more of a 15-20ish type pick though.

Maybin just doesn't strike me as a TT guy.Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't TT have a track record of drafting Seniors over players coming out early with his early picks in the draft? Other than Brandon Jackson, TT has never taken anyone other than a senior in the 1st two rounds of the draft. Maybin doesn't fit TT's MO. Who does?Eugene MonroeJason SmithMichael OherMichael JenkinsBJ RajiAaron CurryRey MaualugaBrian CushingTyson JacksonRobert AyersI think the player to be picked at #9 is one of these guys. Dear Lord don't let it be Cushing......(manufactured athlete).

I agree Maybin is not a fit because of his lack of experience. I don't think this is a fluke that TT looks for more reps to get a better idea of consistency and multiple seasons to see if a player improves in the off seasonTo me, the worse case scenario for us at this point is the following players going before we pick.Eugene MonroeJason SmithMichael OherMichael JenkinsBJ RajiAaron CurryBrian OrakpoMichael CrabtreeThis is possible if the Lions and the Chiefs pass on a QB.Did you see that Malcolm Jenkins is only 6 feet tall? So much for being too big for corner.

Oher going before we pick is perfect...as is Crabtree.Seeing both Orakpo and Raji gone would be bad.Malcolm Jenkins? I really was not impressed today. Much more impressed with Vontae Davis.

 

[sho nuff]

Good God do some of you like to stir things up. Nowhere that I saw (and I could certainly be wrong) did I see anyone state they were OK with Thompson "reaching" for someone at #9. The closest thing was:

don't be surprised on draft day if you have to look into round 2 or 3 on your beat-writer's NFL draft guide to find the guy Thompson picks. I then stated that what some people consider a 2nd round talent, may be viewed as a 1st round talent by others, etc.

Those were then somehow immediately construed as being a TT supporter and defending everything he does, when in fact they were basically statements that rankings are in the eye of the beholder.

While sometimes sparse, there has been some good discussion and info in this thread, but can we PLEASE give the TT/Favre wars a rest?

 

[sho nuff]

I am hoping the Packers don't take an OT at #9. I know it is a need, but I don't think it as pressing of a need as others do. The offense was top 10 in the league last year and they have a dearth of young o-lineman. I do think TT should stop drafting tweeners and draft guys who fill a position. The flexibility is nice but draft a guy who is a good tackle, not a guy who can play tackle, but they are going to start him at guard, then move him to the right side than the left side, etc.

My hope for for the draft is either Raji or Rey. Maualuga scares me as a pick a little bit based on the production of linebackers taken in the top 10 picks in the past, but the guy is a football player. With the shift to having twice as many linebackers the Packers need talent at the position. That being said, if Crabtree falls to 9 I would pick him in a second. Not a need but talent is talent.

SI Combine Risers/SlidersRey may have some issues...

Rey Maualuga/LB/USC: Maualuga's downward spiral seemingly continues. He completed his initial attempt in the 40 in over 4.8 seconds then slumped to the ground with a hamstring injury after crossing the finish line. There's a lot of concern in Indianapolis regarding Maualuga's well-being and some of the decisions he's made in the past few months. He was once considered a top 10pick but is falling to the end portion of round one.

Raji still seems to be as solid as ever...

BJ Raji/DT/Boston College: Raji's all-around workout was solid. He completed 33 reps on the bench press, then ran relatively well in the 40 (5.13) after tipping the scales at 337 pounds. He moved exceptionally well for such a big man in drills and looked very athletic.

I'm starting to worry that Raji doesn't last until #10.

This guy's name keeps coming up.

Jarron Gilbert/DL/San Jose State: Gilbert measured 6-feet-5, 288 pounds then ran his 40s in swift times of 4.8-seconds. He looked very athletic in drills and displayed the skills necessary to be used as a defensive tackle or two-gap end. Gilbert also completed 28 reps on the bench press. It's not a mind-boggling total but rather impressive when one considers Gilbert's arms measure just a fraction under 37 inches.

Could Gilbert enjoy the meteoric rise in stock that Mayo did last year?

Ugh...last week/earlier this week I was hoping Gilbert in the 2nd...but wow his stock is rising if people will be thinking this.Raji looked very good moving for a big man.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I will give someone an example of a player that is intriguing but Id be unhappy (though, watching his combine its not as scary) with at 9.Aaron Maybin.The guy is extremely athletic...put on some weight and is still very young.Im so up in the air on this guy...prior to watching him....was not so sure about him at 9...still think he is more of a 15-20ish type pick though.

Maybin just doesn't strike me as a TT guy.Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't TT have a track record of drafting Seniors over players coming out early with his early picks in the draft? Other than Brandon Jackson, TT has never taken anyone other than a senior in the 1st two rounds of the draft. Maybin doesn't fit TT's MO. Who does?Eugene MonroeJason SmithMichael OherMichael JenkinsBJ RajiAaron CurryRey MaualugaBrian CushingTyson JacksonRobert AyersI think the player to be picked at #9 is one of these guys. Dear Lord don't let it be Cushing......(manufactured athlete).

I agree Maybin is not a fit because of his lack of experience. I don't think this is a fluke that TT looks for more reps to get a better idea of consistency and multiple seasons to see if a player improves in the off seasonTo me, the worse case scenario for us at this point is the following players going before we pick.Eugene MonroeJason SmithMichael OherMichael JenkinsBJ RajiAaron CurryBrian OrakpoMichael CrabtreeThis is possible if the Lions and the Chiefs pass on a QB.Did you see that Malcolm Jenkins is only 6 feet tall? So much for being too big for corner.

Oher going before we pick is perfect...as is Crabtree.Seeing both Orakpo and Raji gone would be bad.Malcolm Jenkins? I really was not impressed today. Much more impressed with Vontae Davis.

Please no. Not Vernon Davis' younger brother. We do not need a prima donna like that on this team.I don't think this helps Jenkins at all but I'd much rather he be the pick over Davis. One interesting note about Jenkins, his 40 sucked, but he was #1 in the 3 cone drill when I last checked.

 

[sho nuff]

I will give someone an example of a player that is intriguing but Id be unhappy (though, watching his combine its not as scary) with at 9.Aaron Maybin.The guy is extremely athletic...put on some weight and is still very young.Im so up in the air on this guy...prior to watching him....was not so sure about him at 9...still think he is more of a 15-20ish type pick though.

Maybin just doesn't strike me as a TT guy.Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't TT have a track record of drafting Seniors over players coming out early with his early picks in the draft? Other than Brandon Jackson, TT has never taken anyone other than a senior in the 1st two rounds of the draft. Maybin doesn't fit TT's MO. Who does?Eugene MonroeJason SmithMichael OherMichael JenkinsBJ RajiAaron CurryRey MaualugaBrian CushingTyson JacksonRobert AyersI think the player to be picked at #9 is one of these guys. Dear Lord don't let it be Cushing......(manufactured athlete).

I agree Maybin is not a fit because of his lack of experience. I don't think this is a fluke that TT looks for more reps to get a better idea of consistency and multiple seasons to see if a player improves in the off seasonTo me, the worse case scenario for us at this point is the following players going before we pick.Eugene MonroeJason SmithMichael OherMichael JenkinsBJ RajiAaron CurryBrian OrakpoMichael CrabtreeThis is possible if the Lions and the Chiefs pass on a QB.Did you see that Malcolm Jenkins is only 6 feet tall? So much for being too big for corner.

Oher going before we pick is perfect...as is Crabtree.Seeing both Orakpo and Raji gone would be bad.Malcolm Jenkins? I really was not impressed today. Much more impressed with Vontae Davis.

Please no. Not Vernon Davis' younger brother. We do not need a prima donna like that on this team.I don't think this helps Jenkins at all but I'd much rather he be the pick over Davis. One interesting note about Jenkins, his 40 sucked, but he was #1 in the 3 cone drill when I last checked.

Not sure he is like his brother in that respect.And Im not talking about drafting him at 9 (especially not if Orakpo or Raji is there)...but he was much more impressive than Jenkins to me.

 

[jurrassic]

I am hoping the Packers don't take an OT at #9. I know it is a need, but I don't think it as pressing of a need as others do. The offense was top 10 in the league last year and they have a dearth of young o-lineman. I do think TT should stop drafting tweeners and draft guys who fill a position. The flexibility is nice but draft a guy who is a good tackle, not a guy who can play tackle, but they are going to start him at guard, then move him to the right side than the left side, etc.My hope for for the draft is either Raji or Rey. Maualuga scares me as a pick a little bit based on the production of linebackers taken in the top 10 picks in the past, but the guy is a football player. With the shift to having twice as many linebackers the Packers need talent at the position. That being said, if Crabtree falls to 9 I would pick him in a second. Not a need but talent is talent.

Maluaga is vastly overrated and would be an atrocious pick for the Packers in the 1st or 2nd round. Not an everydown linebacker and does not have the instincts to be an impact player in the pros.

Atrocious? Give me a break. The hamstring is an issue, I agree with that. The fact is that he is currently the most decorated college linebacker in one of the most successful college football teams in the the country. Watch the guy play. The Packers took Hawk with th #5 pick, TT was a linebacker, this team needs linebackers, etc. Once again, I have reservations about taking a linebacker that high, but I have the same reservations with an OT and I am not a fan of Jenkins. The best thing would be if Crabtree fell and the Packers could trade out, but I don't think that is going to happen.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I am hoping the Packers don't take an OT at #9. I know it is a need, but I don't think it as pressing of a need as others do. The offense was top 10 in the league last year and they have a dearth of young o-lineman. I do think TT should stop drafting tweeners and draft guys who fill a position. The flexibility is nice but draft a guy who is a good tackle, not a guy who can play tackle, but they are going to start him at guard, then move him to the right side than the left side, etc.My hope for for the draft is either Raji or Rey. Maualuga scares me as a pick a little bit based on the production of linebackers taken in the top 10 picks in the past, but the guy is a football player. With the shift to having twice as many linebackers the Packers need talent at the position. That being said, if Crabtree falls to 9 I would pick him in a second. Not a need but talent is talent.

Maluaga is vastly overrated and would be an atrocious pick for the Packers in the 1st or 2nd round. Not an everydown linebacker and does not have the instincts to be an impact player in the pros.

Atrocious? Give me a break. The hamstring is an issue, I agree with that. The fact is that he is currently the most decorated college linebacker in one of the most successful college football teams in the the country. Watch the guy play. The Packers took Hawk with th #5 pick, TT was a linebacker, this team needs linebackers, etc. Once again, I have reservations about taking a linebacker that high, but I have the same reservations with an OT and I am not a fan of Jenkins. The best thing would be if Crabtree fell and the Packers could trade out, but I don't think that is going to happen.

I'm beginning to wonder about the LB's at the top too, I must admit. Actually, the best of the USC LB's for the NFL may be Matthews. Matthews would be a reach at #9 though. Maybe TT picks DL or OL with #9, then trades up for Matthews. I agree, they could use some LB help, but I don't think Rey is worth that high of a pick.

 

[jurrassic]

I am hoping the Packers don't take an OT at #9. I know it is a need, but I don't think it as pressing of a need as others do. The offense was top 10 in the league last year and they have a dearth of young o-lineman. I do think TT should stop drafting tweeners and draft guys who fill a position. The flexibility is nice but draft a guy who is a good tackle, not a guy who can play tackle, but they are going to start him at guard, then move him to the right side than the left side, etc.My hope for for the draft is either Raji or Rey. Maualuga scares me as a pick a little bit based on the production of linebackers taken in the top 10 picks in the past, but the guy is a football player. With the shift to having twice as many linebackers the Packers need talent at the position. That being said, if Crabtree falls to 9 I would pick him in a second. Not a need but talent is talent.

Maluaga is vastly overrated and would be an atrocious pick for the Packers in the 1st or 2nd round. Not an everydown linebacker and does not have the instincts to be an impact player in the pros.

Atrocious? Give me a break. The hamstring is an issue, I agree with that. The fact is that he is currently the most decorated college linebacker in one of the most successful college football teams in the the country. Watch the guy play. The Packers took Hawk with th #5 pick, TT was a linebacker, this team needs linebackers, etc. Once again, I have reservations about taking a linebacker that high, but I have the same reservations with an OT and I am not a fan of Jenkins. The best thing would be if Crabtree fell and the Packers could trade out, but I don't think that is going to happen.

I'm beginning to wonder about the LB's at the top too, I must admit. Actually, the best of the USC LB's for the NFL may be Matthews. Matthews would be a reach at #9 though. Maybe TT picks DL or OL with #9, then trades up for Matthews. I agree, they could use some LB help, but I don't think Rey is worth that high of a pick.

For the record, I don't think he is worth that high of a pick either. That being said, with the way the draft may fall I don't know who is worth the money you wil have to pay the #9 pick. If there truly is a Left tackle that could be a 10 year pro, then they should take him. I just don't know if that guy is going to be there. I also don't think o-line is as big of an issue as every position on defense.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I am hoping the Packers don't take an OT at #9. I know it is a need, but I don't think it as pressing of a need as others do. The offense was top 10 in the league last year and they have a dearth of young o-lineman. I do think TT should stop drafting tweeners and draft guys who fill a position. The flexibility is nice but draft a guy who is a good tackle, not a guy who can play tackle, but they are going to start him at guard, then move him to the right side than the left side, etc.My hope for for the draft is either Raji or Rey. Maualuga scares me as a pick a little bit based on the production of linebackers taken in the top 10 picks in the past, but the guy is a football player. With the shift to having twice as many linebackers the Packers need talent at the position. That being said, if Crabtree falls to 9 I would pick him in a second. Not a need but talent is talent.

Maluaga is vastly overrated and would be an atrocious pick for the Packers in the 1st or 2nd round. Not an everydown linebacker and does not have the instincts to be an impact player in the pros.

Atrocious? Give me a break. The hamstring is an issue, I agree with that. The fact is that he is currently the most decorated college linebacker in one of the most successful college football teams in the the country. Watch the guy play. The Packers took Hawk with th #5 pick, TT was a linebacker, this team needs linebackers, etc. Once again, I have reservations about taking a linebacker that high, but I have the same reservations with an OT and I am not a fan of Jenkins. The best thing would be if Crabtree fell and the Packers could trade out, but I don't think that is going to happen.

I'm beginning to wonder about the LB's at the top too, I must admit. Actually, the best of the USC LB's for the NFL may be Matthews. Matthews would be a reach at #9 though. Maybe TT picks DL or OL with #9, then trades up for Matthews. I agree, they could use some LB help, but I don't think Rey is worth that high of a pick.

For the record, I don't think he is worth that high of a pick either. That being said, with the way the draft may fall I don't know who is worth the money you wil have to pay the #9 pick. If there truly is a Left tackle that could be a 10 year pro, then they should take him. I just don't know if that guy is going to be there. I also don't think o-line is as big of an issue as every position on defense.

If one of the QB's drops there's a chance for a trade down. Someone may want to jump ahead of San Fran to grab the QB. That might be an option if there are no impact players left at that point. The more I look at the players in this draft, the less I'm impressed. I don't see many major impact athletes.

 

[Balco]

I am hoping the Packers don't take an OT at #9. I know it is a need, but I don't think it as pressing of a need as others do. The offense was top 10 in the league last year and they have a dearth of young o-lineman. I do think TT should stop drafting tweeners and draft guys who fill a position. The flexibility is nice but draft a guy who is a good tackle, not a guy who can play tackle, but they are going to start him at guard, then move him to the right side than the left side, etc.My hope for for the draft is either Raji or Rey. Maualuga scares me as a pick a little bit based on the production of linebackers taken in the top 10 picks in the past, but the guy is a football player. With the shift to having twice as many linebackers the Packers need talent at the position. That being said, if Crabtree falls to 9 I would pick him in a second. Not a need but talent is talent.

Maluaga is vastly overrated and would be an atrocious pick for the Packers in the 1st or 2nd round. Not an everydown linebacker and does not have the instincts to be an impact player in the pros.

Atrocious? Give me a break. The hamstring is an issue, I agree with that. The fact is that he is currently the most decorated college linebacker in one of the most successful college football teams in the the country. Watch the guy play. The Packers took Hawk with th #5 pick, TT was a linebacker, this team needs linebackers, etc. Once again, I have reservations about taking a linebacker that high, but I have the same reservations with an OT and I am not a fan of Jenkins. The best thing would be if Crabtree fell and the Packers could trade out, but I don't think that is going to happen.

Yes, atrocious. I have seen him play and have watched him specifically in several games. He has horrible instincts and only makes plays when the scheme calls for him to blitz to a specific hole. I saw him regularly get pancaked and walled off (watch the Ohio State game). he takes himself out of plays with his slow reads, and is not an asset in pass coverage.

 

[Chachi]

This thread has turned into a reetard fight

If sho nuff is there then this happens.

 

[sho nuff]

This thread has turned into a reetard fight

If sho nuff is there then this happens.

If there is any wonder why it gets to that, this is the perfect example...a poster coming in with absolutely nothing about the thread.

 

[Chachi]

This thread has turned into a reetard fight

If sho nuff is there then this happens.

If there is any wonder why it gets to that, this is the perfect example...a poster coming in with absolutely nothing about the thread.

The reetard fight was going on before I arrived, can't say the same for you.

 

[Chachi]

sho nuff 104 posts

Sho Nuffs wife "Honey, how come I never see you"

Sho Nuff "Dunno babe"

 

[sho nuff]

Yawn...anything about the actual topic?

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

My Moreno pick looking smarter yet?

Not at 4.6 plus.

Since I am officially lobbying for this pick, latest from the National Football Post:Don’t Believe the Hype: Knowshon Moreno, Georgia

Moreno clocked a 4.56 but was the most fluid athlete during position drills and gets up to top speed instantly. He has the wiggle to consistently break tackles and will be an impact player at the next level. I don’t think his 40 time will have a significant impact on his draft stock.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

My Moreno pick looking smarter yet?

Not at 4.6 plus.

Since I am officially lobbying for this pick, latest from the National Football Post:Don’t Believe the Hype: Knowshon Moreno, Georgia

Moreno clocked a 4.56 but was the most fluid athlete during position drills and gets up to top speed instantly. He has the wiggle to consistently break tackles and will be an impact player at the next level. I don’t think his 40 time will have a significant impact on his draft stock.

It would seem to be a weird pick since most of the needs are on the defensive side of the ball, but if he's bpa, I don't have a problem with it. There are some that are comparing him to LT coming out of college. Would there be any complaints with this pick if we are getting LT version 2.0? Hell no. I know they just re-upped Grant and still have Jackson and a host of mediocrity in the current backfield, but if Moreno is special I say go get him.I had a scary thought yesterday as I was reading the story about how Green Bay wanted Flacco in last years draft......what if TT picks Sanchez at #9? Would there be a full on mutiny by Packer fans at that point? Trying to figure out TT is impossible.

 

[Phase of the Game]

This thread has turned into a reetard fight

If sho nuff is there then this happens.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

My Moreno pick looking smarter yet?

Not at 4.6 plus.

Since I am officially lobbying for this pick, latest from the National Football Post:Don’t Believe the Hype: Knowshon Moreno, Georgia

Moreno clocked a 4.56 but was the most fluid athlete during position drills and gets up to top speed instantly. He has the wiggle to consistently break tackles and will be an impact player at the next level. I don’t think his 40 time will have a significant impact on his draft stock.

It would seem to be a weird pick since most of the needs are on the defensive side of the ball, but if he's bpa, I don't have a problem with it. There are some that are comparing him to LT coming out of college. Would there be any complaints with this pick if we are getting LT version 2.0? Hell no. I know they just re-upped Grant and still have Jackson and a host of mediocrity in the current backfield, but if Moreno is special I say go get him.I had a scary thought yesterday as I was reading the story about how Green Bay wanted Flacco in last years draft......what if TT picks Sanchez at #9? Would there be a full on mutiny by Packer fans at that point? Trying to figure out TT is impossible.

I'd have no problem with the Moreno pick. Let's face it. Grant is not an elite talent. I think he's a solid back, but he's not an elite talent. And Brandon Jackson has had plenty of chance to showcase some things, but remains an enigma. I'd have no problem with them picking Moreno.Sanchez is nowhere near BPA at #9, so we can forget about that.

 

[jurrassic]

My Moreno pick looking smarter yet?

Not at 4.6 plus.

Since I am officially lobbying for this pick, latest from the National Football Post:Don’t Believe the Hype: Knowshon Moreno, Georgia

Moreno clocked a 4.56 but was the most fluid athlete during position drills and gets up to top speed instantly. He has the wiggle to consistently break tackles and will be an impact player at the next level. I don’t think his 40 time will have a significant impact on his draft stock.

It would seem to be a weird pick since most of the needs are on the defensive side of the ball, but if he's bpa, I don't have a problem with it. There are some that are comparing him to LT coming out of college. Would there be any complaints with this pick if we are getting LT version 2.0? Hell no. I know they just re-upped Grant and still have Jackson and a host of mediocrity in the current backfield, but if Moreno is special I say go get him.I had a scary thought yesterday as I was reading the story about how Green Bay wanted Flacco in last years draft......what if TT picks Sanchez at #9? Would there be a full on mutiny by Packer fans at that point? Trying to figure out TT is impossible.

I wouldn't have a problem with it either. I don't really think the Packers have anyone that is special at rb. They are all just okay. It isn't necessarily a need pick, but this team needs talent.

 

[Phase of the Game]

My Moreno pick looking smarter yet?

Not at 4.6 plus.

Since I am officially lobbying for this pick, latest from the National Football Post:Don’t Believe the Hype: Knowshon Moreno, Georgia

Moreno clocked a 4.56 but was the most fluid athlete during position drills and gets up to top speed instantly. He has the wiggle to consistently break tackles and will be an impact player at the next level. I don’t think his 40 time will have a significant impact on his draft stock.

It would seem to be a weird pick since most of the needs are on the defensive side of the ball, but if he's bpa, I don't have a problem with it. There are some that are comparing him to LT coming out of college. Would there be any complaints with this pick if we are getting LT version 2.0? Hell no. I know they just re-upped Grant and still have Jackson and a host of mediocrity in the current backfield, but if Moreno is special I say go get him.I had a scary thought yesterday as I was reading the story about how Green Bay wanted Flacco in last years draft......what if TT picks Sanchez at #9? Would there be a full on mutiny by Packer fans at that point? Trying to figure out TT is impossible.

I wouldn't have a problem with it either. I don't really think the Packers have anyone that is special at rb. They are all just okay. It isn't necessarily a need pick, but this team needs talent.

I do hope they try and get a playmaking RB in this draft like Leon Washington, Norwood, Sproles etc. Brandon Jackson just doesn't fit that role.

 

[VTjkru]

I dont know whether Moreno is an "it" guy but I would ecstatic if the Packers drafted someone at #9 who could make an immediate impact on a consistent basis on either side of the ball. I would that any fan would be happy with that. Grant and Jackson are just serviceable backs but if there was a game changer in the backfield, it would really balance the offense.

I would not want Sanchez at #9, that is trouble waiting to happen and I would hope the Packers realize that.

 

[sho nuff]

My Moreno pick looking smarter yet?

Not at 4.6 plus.

Since I am officially lobbying for this pick, latest from the National Football Post:Don’t Believe the Hype: Knowshon Moreno, Georgia

Moreno clocked a 4.56 but was the most fluid athlete during position drills and gets up to top speed instantly. He has the wiggle to consistently break tackles and will be an impact player at the next level. I don’t think his 40 time will have a significant impact on his draft stock.

It would seem to be a weird pick since most of the needs are on the defensive side of the ball, but if he's bpa, I don't have a problem with it. There are some that are comparing him to LT coming out of college. Would there be any complaints with this pick if we are getting LT version 2.0? Hell no. I know they just re-upped Grant and still have Jackson and a host of mediocrity in the current backfield, but if Moreno is special I say go get him.I had a scary thought yesterday as I was reading the story about how Green Bay wanted Flacco in last years draft......what if TT picks Sanchez at #9? Would there be a full on mutiny by Packer fans at that point? Trying to figure out TT is impossible.

I wouldn't have a problem with it either. I don't really think the Packers have anyone that is special at rb. They are all just okay. It isn't necessarily a need pick, but this team needs talent.

I do hope they try and get a playmaking RB in this draft like Leon Washington, Norwood, Sproles etc. Brandon Jackson just doesn't fit that role.

Agreed...but I don't want it even close to the first round.As for TT supposedly wanting Flacco. Its funny hearing this now...as all we hear is how TT does not tip his hand on who he wants. So was "wanting" Flacco just a smoke screen?

 

[Phase of the Game]

My Moreno pick looking smarter yet?

Not at 4.6 plus.

Since I am officially lobbying for this pick, latest from the National Football Post:Don’t Believe the Hype: Knowshon Moreno, Georgia

Moreno clocked a 4.56 but was the most fluid athlete during position drills and gets up to top speed instantly. He has the wiggle to consistently break tackles and will be an impact player at the next level. I don’t think his 40 time will have a significant impact on his draft stock.

It would seem to be a weird pick since most of the needs are on the defensive side of the ball, but if he's bpa, I don't have a problem with it. There are some that are comparing him to LT coming out of college. Would there be any complaints with this pick if we are getting LT version 2.0? Hell no. I know they just re-upped Grant and still have Jackson and a host of mediocrity in the current backfield, but if Moreno is special I say go get him.I had a scary thought yesterday as I was reading the story about how Green Bay wanted Flacco in last years draft......what if TT picks Sanchez at #9? Would there be a full on mutiny by Packer fans at that point? Trying to figure out TT is impossible.

I wouldn't have a problem with it either. I don't really think the Packers have anyone that is special at rb. They are all just okay. It isn't necessarily a need pick, but this team needs talent.

I do hope they try and get a playmaking RB in this draft like Leon Washington, Norwood, Sproles etc. Brandon Jackson just doesn't fit that role.

Agreed...but I don't want it even close to the first round.As for TT supposedly wanting Flacco. Its funny hearing this now...as all we hear is how TT does not tip his hand on who he wants. So was "wanting" Flacco just a smoke screen?

Seen and heard around IndyBy Greg A. Bedard of the Journal Sentinel

Feb. 23, 2009

Indianapolis -- While there are still two more days of workouts, and very important ones for the Packers with the defensive linemen and linebackers going today, the media access is now closed. So I'm headed back home.

I now leave you with a few things picked up around the hallways, side streets, restaurants, bars and hotel lobbies of this fine state capital. Of course, all of my "research" was done to serve you, my loyal readers. It's a tough job but somebody's got to do it. Does anybody know if beer could be considered "purchased supplies" on my expense report? Actually, isn't that encouraged in Wisconsin? As Mike McCarthy would say -- "That was a joke."

Add Penn State OLB Aaron Maybin to the list of the players the Packers interviewed.

Agents of some of the top talents in this draft consider the Packers one of the most secretive teams when it comes to tipping off what they're going to do in the draft. Remember, A.J. Hawk had no idea the Packers liked him three years at No. 5.

Heard this from a pretty good source that would know: The Packers were one of the teams that were very hot for QB Joe Flacco last year, so much so that they definitely would have taken him at No. 30 and might have traded into the 20-25 range. Flacco ended up going at 18 when the Ravens traded up to draft him. The two primary teams the Ravens were worried about taking Flacco ahead of them were the Packers and the New York Jets. Like every other team, the Packers have used the combine as a chance to lay the groundwork for free agency by meeting with several agents. But as far as I can tell, none are any of the "big" names. And there aren't many of those. Most on the Packers' radar are role players.

The Packers were about the only team not to express an interest in the best 3-4 defensive end on the free-agent market, Chris Canty of the Dallas Cowboys. His destination should be known, at least to the particulars, but about Wednesday this week. And he's not the done deal to Bill Parcells and the Dolphins that everyone thinks -- far from it. He'll likely end up with a 4-3 team playing end on the first two downs, and then moving inside on pass-rush downs ala Cullen Jenkins.

As for the other supposed top 3-4 end, Igor Olshansky of the Chargers, I'm told by more than a few people that there's a reason why the Chargers made no effort to keep him -- he's known to be lazy and people think he doesn't care about the right things. From what I heard, he is not "Packer people" so the team would be wise to avoid him.

The Packers have no interest in Minnesota free-agent center Matt Birk. Zero.

The Packers were the team that let the re-signing of RT Vernon Carey by the Miami Dolphins slip out to the media. Some in the Packers' organization are a little freaked out that Mark Tauscher is going to get big money somewhere else before the Packers are comfortable signing him after his knee surgery.

The Packers want RB DeShawn Wynn to come back in March with the same attitude he had after he was cut and signed to the practice squad. The Packers still love his talent. A lot.

Saints assistant defensive line coach Travis Jones interviewed for the vacancies at defensive line and outside linebackers. He was on Dom Capers' defensive staff with the Dolphins.

Director - Football Operations John Schneider works like a mad man at the combine. When it comes to selling the Packers to prospective players, he's the guy. And fans should feel very good about that. He has garnered enormous respect with the league's power brokers. Fans should also be very wary of him getting a job to run his own shop very soon in the future.

Rob Davis has grown into being a very valuable asset for the personnel department. He is involved in every aspect of the scouting operation at the combine. I would not be surprised if he was promoted into personnel within the next year. Maybe if Schneider and/or Reggie McKenzie, another guy who gets a lot of props, get hired away.

The Packers would be wise, if they haven't already, to take Alabama OT Andre Smith off their board completely. Trust me on this.

That's it for now. Somebody take me home.

 

[sho nuff]

Ive read the story.

But everything you read out there on JS and on National Football Post is about how TT does not tip his hand. So a source saying he was definitely taking him seems a bit questionable to me.

Even AJ Hawk claims he did not know for sure the Packers were that interested in him.

That is all I am saying. Sure, TT could have liked Flacco and wanted him if he fell there. He took Brohm seemingly because he fell to a spot where his value was high.

Hell, taking Flacco there and hoping Nelson dropped might have been a good move. Who knows.

Just saying its odd to hear someone saying he was definitely taking him...when TT is notorious for not letting that kind of info out.

 

[Phase of the Game]

Ive read the story.But everything you read out there on JS and on National Football Post is about how TT does not tip his hand. So a source saying he was definitely taking him seems a bit questionable to me.

And Bedard noted that this is a source that would know that the Packers were hot after Flacco. I trust Bedard and that source more than you questioning it.