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Alive...Deji Karim and Ben Tate are set to dominate week 8 as my only healthy RB. :X
I am not arguing, just looking at the data here and asking questions:(1) why are 28/29 men rosters so much better than 27 or 30?(2) 22 seems to be very close to 30.,, so is it really that large rosters are better?(3) Ultimately, if the objective is to survive and advance, I can see the argument for large rosters. If the objective is to win, wouldn't someone with a shorter roster full of studs have an advantage in the final weeks?TIA for everyone's thoughts.I wish we could talk more people into small rosters.Survival Percentages through Week 7: (Contest survival rate is 37.23%)
Code:Roster Total Alive Percent18 3568 1072 30.04%19 1393 494 35.46%20 1059 365 34.47%21 836 337 40.31%22 766 333 43.47%23 641 255 39.78%24 547 239 43.69%25 396 177 44.70%26 415 187 45.06%27 296 131 44.26%28 269 143 53.16%29 214 112 52.34%30 375 166 44.27%
In response to 1 and 2, you're dealing with small sample groups. Break them into groups of small/medium/large or even small and large.Regarding three, yes if you were picking a lineup each week. Best ball really mitigates the advantages of studs. The smaller rosters are more likely to have this weeks Murray, Burress, Graham in any given week. The three week rolling total in the finals should even this out, but by that time the smaller rosters have been decimated for the most part.I am not arguing, just looking at the data here and asking questions:(1) why are 28/29 men rosters so much better than 27 or 30?(2) 22 seems to be very close to 30.,, so is it really that large rosters are better?(3) Ultimately, if the objective is to survive and advance, I can see the argument for large rosters. If the objective is to win, wouldn't someone with a shorter roster full of studs have an advantage in the final weeks?TIA for everyone's thoughts.I wish we could talk more people into small rosters.Survival Percentages through Week 7: (Contest survival rate is 37.23%)
Code:Roster Total Alive Percent18 3568 1072 30.04%19 1393 494 35.46%20 1059 365 34.47%21 836 337 40.31%22 766 333 43.47%23 641 255 39.78%24 547 239 43.69%25 396 177 44.70%26 415 187 45.06%27 296 131 44.26%28 269 143 53.16%29 214 112 52.34%30 375 166 44.27%
I think this will prove to be the case. It will be a matter of luck to avoid injuries and score enough during bye weeks, but in the end the team with Brady, Welker, Foster, (there is one still alive) has a better chance of winning than the team with 30 midgrade players.'Genester said:I am not arguing, just looking at the data here and asking questions:(1) why are 28/29 men rosters so much better than 27 or 30?'BassNBrew said:I wish we could talk more people into small rosters.'wollac said:Survival Percentages through Week 7: (Contest survival rate is 37.23%)
Roster Total Alive Percent18 3568 1072 30.04%19 1393 494 35.46%20 1059 365 34.47%21 836 337 40.31%22 766 333 43.47%23 641 255 39.78%24 547 239 43.69%25 396 177 44.70%26 415 187 45.06%27 296 131 44.26%28 269 143 53.16%29 214 112 52.34%30 375 166 44.27%
(2) 22 seems to be very close to 30.,, so is it really that large rosters are better?
(3) Ultimately, if the objective is to survive and advance, I can see the argument for large rosters. If the objective is to win, wouldn't someone with a shorter roster full of studs have an advantage in the final weeks?
TIA for everyone's thoughts.
Man, I can't believe the 28 man teams are beating my 29 man teammates...Watch out, 28 man teams, we're coming to get you in week 8!!!'wollac said:Survival Percentages through Week 7: (Contest survival rate is 37.23%)
Code:Roster Total Alive Percent18 3568 1072 30.04%19 1393 494 35.46%20 1059 365 34.47%21 836 337 40.31%22 766 333 43.47%23 641 255 39.78%24 547 239 43.69%25 396 177 44.70%26 415 187 45.06%27 296 131 44.26%28 269 143 53.16%29 214 112 52.34%30 375 166 44.27%
Again would have gotten by.Finished with 154.9.Again, would have gotten by.Finished with 127.35.Just to update myself...I would have squeaked by the cut line this week had I not been cut in week 3. Finished with 113.1.
How about next year we let everyone enter two teams? One must have 20 players or less and the other must have 25 players or more. Then we can settle this...and we can all have two teams to fret over!'wollac said:Survival Percentages through Week 7: (Contest survival rate is 37.23%)
Code:Roster Total Alive Percent18 3568 1072 30.04%19 1393 494 35.46%20 1059 365 34.47%21 836 337 40.31%22 766 333 43.47%23 641 255 39.78%24 547 239 43.69%25 396 177 44.70%26 415 187 45.06%27 296 131 44.26%28 269 143 53.16%29 214 112 52.34%30 375 166 44.27%
As awesome as it would be to have two teams, I don't think that would solve this debate..... because if nothing else, someone would make the statement that a team with 21-24 players would be the most ideal.In reality, one season is too small a sample to solve this dispute, that's the beauty of this contest, the debate of roster size is comparable to how it must have been in NYC during the 1950's debating Willie Mickey & the Duke. There's no wrong answer, everyone just enjoys and relishes every facet of it. The contest simply rocks.How about next year we let everyone enter two teams? One must have 20 players or less and the other must have 25 players or more. Then we can settle this...and we can all have two teams to fret over!'wollac said:Survival Percentages through Week 7: (Contest survival rate is 37.23%)
Code:Roster Total Alive Percent18 3568 1072 30.04%19 1393 494 35.46%20 1059 365 34.47%21 836 337 40.31%22 766 333 43.47%23 641 255 39.78%24 547 239 43.69%25 396 177 44.70%26 415 187 45.06%27 296 131 44.26%28 269 143 53.16%29 214 112 52.34%30 375 166 44.27%
still alive, first column is number of times I used that player'BassNBrew said:I wish we could talk more people into small rosters.'wollac said:Survival Percentages through Week 7: (Contest survival rate is 37.23%)
Roster Total Alive Percent21 836 337 40.31%
5 Tom Brady (27)2 Matt Hasselbeck (11)----------------------3 Mark Ingram (26)1 DeAngelo Williams (25)3 Felix Jones (23)6 James Starks (16)3 Montario Hardesty (4)1 Javon Ringer (3)1 LaRod Stephens-Howling (2)----------------------7 Calvin Johnson (31)6 Wes Welker (23)0 Lee Evans (10)6 Jordy Nelson (7)2 Brian Hartline (6)0 Brandon Tate (3)----------------------4 Aaron Hernandez (10)6 Fred Davis (5)----------------------1 Matt Prater (3)0 David Buehler (3)6 Nick Folk (3)----------------------7 Pittsburgh Steelers (9)
Does the sheer number of 18 man teams (1000+) ensure they will be well represented in the final 250? Maybe we should have a contest to guess how many 18 man teams make it to the final. o/u at 50?'wollac said:Survival Percentages through Week 7: (Contest survival rate is 37.23%)
Code:Roster Total Alive Percent18 3568 1072 30.04%19 1393 494 35.46%20 1059 365 34.47%21 836 337 40.31%22 766 333 43.47%23 641 255 39.78%24 547 239 43.69%25 396 177 44.70%26 415 187 45.06%27 296 131 44.26%28 269 143 53.16%29 214 112 52.34%30 375 166 44.27%
I hear ya Tennesse. I've been pleasantly surprized and pleased to make it this far this year. But I think my streak ends week 8 with my RB stable of Darren McFadden, Felix Jones, Chris Wells, Tim Hightower & Willis McGahee. Looks like I'll have zero RB's in my lineup!My RBs are dropping like flies -- Felix, Hightower, and Beanie -- but my WR corps continues to carry me. Not looking good for week 8 though -- in addition to the 3 RBs hurt, I have another on bye. And Rivers is my only QB option this week. Everyone on my team has contributed twice (and aside from Celek and Bryant, everyone's contributed at least 3 times). I will need that kind of team effort this week.
I have a 28 man team. Week 8 & week 11 are my big bye weekshttp://subscribers.footballguys.com/contest/2011/100142.phpAs long as I avoid injuries, I feel good about my chancesWonder if we can get some sort of credit for picking Jerome Harrison?Man, I can't believe the 28 man teams are beating my 29 man teammates...Watch out, 28 man teams, we're coming to get you in week 8!!!'wollac said:Survival Percentages through Week 7: (Contest survival rate is 37.23%)
Code:Roster Total Alive Percent18 3568 1072 30.04%19 1393 494 35.46%20 1059 365 34.47%21 836 337 40.31%22 766 333 43.47%23 641 255 39.78%24 547 239 43.69%25 396 177 44.70%26 415 187 45.06%27 296 131 44.26%28 269 143 53.16%29 214 112 52.34%30 375 166 44.27%
P.S. Do you like my TE's?IMO, it's not so much about size of roster but rather the player(s) you choose (avoiding injury, your entire entry on a bye, etc.) Fun contestIn hindsight, the only thing I'd do different is spend less on WR3. Hello Mario Manningham...did you know that you are a turd bucket? /rantI think next year, I'd also abandon high priced RB's completely. Just pick a bunch of RBBC guys and guys who are "handcuffs" and wait for the inevitable injuries to thin the herd.If you make it through the first few weeks, could be stacked come "playoff" time.
if you have been eliminated then ok.....if not I wouldn't give up on Manningham producing for you....his bye week is in the rearview mirror and he is still getting looks....signed,still alive....and Manningham is my highest priced WR...In hindsight, the only thing I'd do different is spend less on WR3. Hello Mario Manningham...did you know that you are a turd bucket? /rantI think next year, I'd also abandon high priced RB's completely. Just pick a bunch of RBBC guys and guys who are "handcuffs" and wait for the inevitable injuries to thin the herd.If you make it through the first few weeks, could be stacked come "playoff" time.

In the final weeks the 30 player roster could be playing 24 players while the 24 just has 18 left due to injuries... For the final 3 weeks, much of the teams will have a core set of similar players, so that player or two which was a team's gamble that goes off the final 3 weeks can have a big effect on who the top handful of teams will be.I suspect 30-person rosters are more likely to make it far but are less likely to beat a 24-person roster in the final.
You can still live through that. The only RBs that I had healthy last week were Barber and Redman and I avoided the Turk (well barely). At least this week I get Bradshaw back at RB.Anyone know how much of the Brady, Welker, Hernandez herd was weeded out last week?Alive...Deji Karim and Ben Tate are set to dominate week 8 as my only healthy RB. :X
30 started the year, 3 eliminated wk 4, 7 wk 5, 9 g0one last wk....11 remain.One of those 11 survived last week with 0's at QB and TE and only survived on the Rice garbage time stats. 3 started with those three players plus Gronk...none remain.8 started with Gronk, Brady, and Welker...the last 6 got mowed down last week.You can still live through that. The only RBs that I had healthy last week were Barber and Redman and I avoided the Turk (well barely). At least this week I get Bradshaw back at RB.Anyone know how much of the Brady, Welker, Hernandez herd was weeded out last week?Alive...Deji Karim and Ben Tate are set to dominate week 8 as my only healthy RB. :X
Woodhead + Welker + Hernandez + Gostkowski + NE def (at least 1 remaining...ME)!I kick myself for choosing Rivers over Brady and not doubling up on the TEs (Gronkowski was set in my lineup until the 11th hour). Damn.Some more Patriot owner stuff (The analysis of Week 7 bye week)
[*]168 Brady owners eliminated (337 remaining)
[*]213 Welker owners eliminated (363 remaining)
[*]98 Gronkowski owners eliminated (223 remaining)
[*]37 Brady + Welker owners eliminated (38 remaining)
[*]10 Brady + Gronkowski owners eliminated (24 remaining)
[*]21 Welker + Gronkowski owners eliminated (14 remaining)
[*]6 Brady + Welker + Gronkowski owners eliminated (0 remaining)
Wanted Hernandez badly but will have to take consolation in Graham and Pettigrew.Woodhead + Welker + Hernandez + Gostkowski + NE def (at least 1 remaining...ME)!I kick myself for choosing Rivers over Brady and not doubling up on the TEs (Gronkowski was set in my lineup until the 11th hour). Damn.Some more Patriot owner stuff (The analysis of Week 7 bye week)
[*]168 Brady owners eliminated (337 remaining)
[*]213 Welker owners eliminated (363 remaining)
[*]98 Gronkowski owners eliminated (223 remaining)
[*]37 Brady + Welker owners eliminated (38 remaining)
[*]10 Brady + Gronkowski owners eliminated (24 remaining)
[*]21 Welker + Gronkowski owners eliminated (14 remaining)
[*]6 Brady + Welker + Gronkowski owners eliminated (0 remaining)
This is going to be true of most entries; as the junk entries are eliminated and the % being eliminated goes up, there is less of a cushion generally.Cleared the cut by 64, 47, 42, 36, 33, and 33 points. Not trending in the right direction.
Cleared by 196.75, 91.35, 39.25, 11.20, 34.75, 26.40, 45.30 - no trendit would seem$ value of players that counted each week:$112, $131, $126, $98, $136, $133, $107(theoretically the lowest $ amount value of players that count could be $34. The highest could be $165)-QGThis is going to be true of most entries; as the junk entries are eliminated and the % being eliminated goes up, there is less of a cushion generally.Cleared the cut by 64, 47, 42, 36, 33, and 33 points. Not trending in the right direction.
3 guys with Peyton are still in it - hilariously all 3 of them also have Ochocinco.-QGI am one of 12 teams still alive with both Jamaal Charles and Jerome Harrison.I wonder how long my horrible RB corps will take me.
I guarantee your RBs are still better than mineI am one of 12 teams still alive with both Jamaal Charles and Jerome Harrison.I wonder how long my horrible RB corps will take me.

My RBs are:Jamaal Charles - outFelix Jones - out Reggie Bush - sucks Jerome Harrison - out Montario Hardesty - Hillis back this week Deji Karim - no play time Ben Tate - no play timeI guarantee your RBs are still better than mineI am one of 12 teams still alive with both Jamaal Charles and Jerome Harrison.I wonder how long my horrible RB corps will take me.
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My RBs are:Jamaal Charles - outI guarantee your RBs are still better than mineI am one of 12 teams still alive with both Jamaal Charles and Jerome Harrison.![]()
I wonder how long my horrible RB corps will take me.![]()
Felix Jones - out
Reggie Bush - sucks
Jerome Harrison - out
Montario Hardesty - Hillis back this week
Deji Karim - no play time
Ben Tate - no play time
He's on my roster too. With Bernard Berrian, Lance Kendricks, MIke Sims Walker and Donovan Freakin McNabb.
Felix Jones- out Chris Wells- outBrandon Jacobs- hurt, out last 3 weeksWillis Mcgahee- outJerome Harison- outJavon Ringer- not much play timeBen tate- not much play timeMy RBs are:Jamaal Charles - outFelix Jones - out Reggie Bush - sucks Jerome Harrison - out Montario Hardesty - Hillis back this week Deji Karim - not much play time Ben Tate - not much play timeI guarantee your RBs are still better than mineI am one of 12 teams still alive with both Jamaal Charles and Jerome Harrison.I wonder how long my horrible RB corps will take me.
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, 31.25.A ton of week 11 byes for that guy, though.-QGThis is my favorite roster after playing with the querier. Aaron Rodgers at QB with some really nice hits on Sproles, Jordy Nelson and Jimmy Graham.
Let's hope he goes down in week 11.A ton of week 11 byes for that guy, though.-QGThis is my favorite roster after playing with the querier. Aaron Rodgers at QB with some really nice hits on Sproles, Jordy Nelson and Jimmy Graham.
With Ingram confirmed OUT this weekend you might get your wish....or Sproles will get the glory.This would be a great week for Pierre to score a couple touchdowns with about 80 yds, considering my other RB's are:Felix JonesBeanie WellsWillis McGaheeTim HightowerI can only hope to scrape by this week and then hope some of the other guys get healthy quickly.Glad I only have 3 guys on bye this week with a 26 man roster (Matt Ryan, Harry Douglas, and Danarius Moore).