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ok tried to use the suggestioms i was given and this is the team i came up with.QB - Philip Rivers - SD/6 - $24QB - Donovan McNabb - MIN/9 - $11RB - Ray Rice - BAL/5 - $35RB - Rashard Mendenhall - PIT/11 - $31RB - Montario Hardesty - CLE/5 - $4RB - Deji Karim - JAX/9 - $3RB - Isaac Redman - PIT/11 - $2WR - Larry Fitzgerald - ARI/6 - $28WR - Mike Wallace - PIT/11 - $23WR - Mario Manningham - NYG/7 - $19WR - Lance Moore - NO/11 - $10WR - Jordy Nelson - GB/8 - $7WR - Eric Decker - DEN/6 - $6WR - Jordan Shipley - CIN/7 - $4WR - Antonio Brown - PIT/11 - $3WR - Denarius Moore - OAK/8 - $3TE - Owen Daniels - HOU/11 - $12TE - Lance Kendricks - STL/5 - $6TE - Evan Moore - CLE/5 - $2PK - Rob Bironas - TEN/6 - $3PK - Shaun Suisham - PIT/11 - $3PK - Connor Barth - TB/8 - $3TD - Indianapolis Colts - IND/11 - $4TD - Buffalo Bills - BUF/7 - $2TD - Denver Broncos - DEN/6 - $2
You need to make this your team. Go with your best instinct rather than follow suggestions from the board. You'll defintely enjoy the ride more if you select the bike.
Thanks for the reply. I tried to do do both of those things.. I traded out Kolb/Stafford for Rivers/McNabb and Felix Jones for Mike Wallace. I also reduced the amount spent on K and TD and used that to improve my WR depth. I actually like this team better now.I like every player on this team and feel good about my chances. I would like to still tweak it a bit and maybe add another low cost QB.
 
I think I'm locked in now. 27 players, $250. I was actually at 27 players, $249, and had no idea what to do with the extra $1. I was just going to submit it as-is but I finally found a spot to upgrade, and it also relieved a little pressure on one of my bye weeks. Pretty happy with this team, and honestly don't plan on changing it, barring some freak injuries next week or something.
OK, just made one tweak. Still at 27/$250, but I think I like this version a little better. For real, though, I'm done now. :unsure:
One last change. Now at 28/$250. I'm definitely done now. :popcorn:
 
I think I'm locked in now. 27 players, $250. I was actually at 27 players, $249, and had no idea what to do with the extra $1. I was just going to submit it as-is but I finally found a spot to upgrade, and it also relieved a little pressure on one of my bye weeks. Pretty happy with this team, and honestly don't plan on changing it, barring some freak injuries next week or something.
OK, just made one tweak. Still at 27/$250, but I think I like this version a little better. For real, though, I'm done now. :unsure:
One last change. Now at 28/$250. I'm definitely done now. :popcorn:
I'm not a betting man, but I would take that bet. :football:
 
Think I'm finished....without any big news likely to come out in the next day, I've gotten the guys I had to have and filled out the rest as strategically as possible.

26 total players, going with:

2 QB's - $37 (14.8%) - stud and a backup

7 RB's - $72 (28.8%) - stud, 2 mid-upside, 4 fliers

8 WR's - $91 (36.4%) - 3 2nd tier, 2 mid-upside, 3 fliers

3 TE's - $31 (12.4%) - 1 2nd tier, 2 mid-upside

3 PK's - $10 ( 4.0%) - 4/3/3

3 TD's - $ 9 ( 3.6%) - 4/3/2

Did a good job on bye weeks. Heavy on week 5 and my two high dollar guys are weeks 7 & 9 with little else off those weeks. Week 11 was the hardest to deal with, but now only have 3 players on bye there.

 
When is the cut off to enter your team?
The deadline to submit/edit your contest entry is 11:59pm (ET) Wednesday, September 7th.It never happens exactly at noon, always a few hours later before it locks. It'll be fun reading this thread on the 7th: obsessive hand-wringers, breathlessly reporting that it is 12:03 and they just adjusted their team!

 
When is the cut off to enter your team?
The deadline to submit/edit your contest entry is 11:59pm (ET) Wednesday, September 7th.It never happens exactly at noon, always a few hours later before it locks. It'll be fun reading this thread on the 7th: obsessive hand-wringers, breathlessly reporting that it is 12:03 and they just adjusted their team!
:mellow:
Present company excepted, of course....
 
I think I'm locked in now. 27 players, $250. I was actually at 27 players, $249, and had no idea what to do with the extra $1. I was just going to submit it as-is but I finally found a spot to upgrade, and it also relieved a little pressure on one of my bye weeks. Pretty happy with this team, and honestly don't plan on changing it, barring some freak injuries next week or something.
OK, just made one tweak. Still at 27/$250, but I think I like this version a little better. For real, though, I'm done now. :unsure:
One last change. Now at 28/$250. I'm definitely done now. :popcorn:
Wholesale changes made. Now at 26/$250. :bag:
 
Here's my latest iteration, should stick unless something happens in the next week:QB $38 (2)RB $74 (6)WR $97 (7)TE $21 (2)PK $8 (3)TD $12 (3)Total: $250 23 playersEdited to note that 10 of my 23 players have week 5 or 6 byes...a bit risky but hope it pays off in the end.
Locked and loaded with the following changes:QB $38 (2) - haven't budged on theseRB $85 (9) - these will be the triumph or downfall for me - went value, core remains the same but added lottery picks/backupsWR $80 (7) - found some value and shifted $$$ to RB's, a 3rd TE and a 4th KTE $28 (3) - liked this 3rd TE better to flex on a given week vs. other WR options at the same $$$PK $10 (4) - 4 better than 3? I'm about to find out...TD $9 (3) - dropped 2 mid priced TD's for the $3 variety to save a few $$$Total: $250 28 playersStill have 1/2 my $$$ with week 5/6 byes. Need to make it on to week 7 to have a shot. Bring on week 1!!!
 
Ok, I decided to test the impact...
Drinen did a good analysis of this a year or two ago. I'll try to dig it up later this week. Just one thing occurs to me now though We have to be careful when talking about points-per-game averages, e.g. the idea that a third kicker adds 1-2 PPG. In reality, that third kicker isn't adding a single point to your score each week. Rather, its more likely that some weeks he won't add anything to your score, and then some weeks he'll add 5+ to your score. Different way to think about the marginal utility of the additional kicker(s).
I can't believe I lost the 2010 database. I could have easily updated this with last year's data. :kicksrock: Anyway:[QUOTE='Doug Drinen]OK, so I dumped a bunch of data and ran some regressions.

Let's start with kickers. Here's the plan: look at every team --- even the ones that have been eliminated --- and record the following pieces of information about them:

1. How many kickers they took

2. How much money they spent on kickers

3. How many total points they have scored (or would have scored, for eliminated teams) at the kicker position during the first five weeks of the season.

Figuring that anything more than five kickers is probably not a very serious entry, and knowing how outliers can skew regressions, I threw out all teams who took more than five kickers. Then I ran a regression of total points versus number and money. Here is the formula that came back:

Total Points per week = 6.04 + .183*(dollars spent on PK) + 1.23*(HaveExactly2PK) + 1.94*(HaveExactly3PK) + 2.20*(HaveExactly4PK) + 2.37*(HaveExactly5PK)

[for you regression wonks, all coefficients massively significant. R^2 = .28.]

So, for example, if you have one $3 kicker, you can expect 6.04 + .183*3 =~ 6.57 points per week. If you have three $1 kickers, you can expect about 6.04 + .183*3 + 1.94 =~ 8.51 points per week. Two $2 kickers =~ 8.00 PPG

NOTE: these results are very, very sensitive to the particular performances of particular kickers in 2009 and the particular tendencies of contest participants in 2009. If Stephen Gostkowski were on record FG pace or if Dan Carpenter had gotten injured, or whatever, these results could look very different. On my to-do list is to go back and run this for 2008, but I'm not too confident about getting that done anytime soon.

With that (rather huge) caveat, here are the implications:

If you have one kicker, then adding a second one (for $1) will add about 1.23 + .18 = 1.41 points per week.

If you have two kickers, then adding a third one (for $1) will add about 1.94 - 1.23 + .18 = .89 points per week.

If you have three kickers, then adding a fourth one (for $1) will add about 2.20 - 1.94 + .18 = .44 points per week.

If you have four kickers, then adding a fifth one (for $1) will add about 2.37 - 2.20 + .18 = .35 points per week.

This is exactly what we'd expect to see: diminishing marginal returns.

I'll let the nerds toss this around for a bit, then post the numbers for Team D and QB. [For RB, WR, and TE, it gets a little complicated because I'm not quite sure how to count the flex.]
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Pretty sure I'm done. Keep going back and looking for upgrades, but can't seem to find any. So my roster hasn't changed for a couple days.

 
The problem with all these studies is that looking at any one position in isolation is basically meaningless. Every $2 you spend on adding an extra kicker costs you $2 at another position. You could be giving up this years Mike Tolbert or Steve Johnson. Any study that tries to determine an optimal strategy for one postion needs to look at how it affects all the other positions. I'm not sure how you would do it, the number of permutations is huge.

My gut feel tells me that 3 cheap kickers (max $8 total) is probably the optimal number. Any more than that is probably costing you more at other positions than the marginal gain at that position but I don't know of any way to prove that. I wouldn't be surprised if 2 cheap kickers turned out to be optimal but I would be surprised if more than 3 turned out to be optimal.

 
I think I'm done now:

QB 3

RB 7

WR 9

TE 4

PK 3

TD 4

30 players

Pretty good spread of byes too - at least until injuries knock out 2 of the 3 QB's while the other is on a bye.

 
Ladies and Gentlemen... the winning team.

(at least for the next 15 minutes when I change it again.)

QB - Philip Rivers - SD/6 - $24

QB - Colt McCoy - CLE/5 - $10

RB - LeSean McCoy - PHI/7 - $34

RB - Felix Jones - DAL/5 - $23

RB - Reggie Bush - MIA/5 - $15

RB - Jerome Harrison - DET/9 - $5

RB - Montario Hardesty - CLE/5 - $4

RB - Ben Tate - HOU/11 - $3

WR - Mike Wallace - PIT/11 - $23

WR - Steve Johnson - BUF/7 - $19

WR - Santana Moss - WAS/5 - $16

WR - Mike Thomas - JAX/9 - $15

WR - Harry Douglas - ATL/8 - $4

WR - Denarius Moore - OAK/8 - $3

WR - Patrick Crayton - SD/6 - $2

WR - Josh Cribbs - CLE/5 - $2

TE - Owen Daniels - HOU/11 - $12

TE - Greg Olsen - CAR/9 - $9

TE - Lance Kendricks - STL/5 - $6

PK - Shaun Suisham - PIT/11 - $3

PK - Rian Lindell - BUF/7 - $2

PK - Olindo Mare - CAR/9 - $2

PK - Jay Feely - ARI/6 - $2

TD - Tampa Bay Buccaneers - TB/8 - $4

TD - St. Louis Rams - STL/5 - $3

TD - Arizona Cardinals - ARI/6 - $3

TD - Buffalo Bills - BUF/7 - $2

 
'Marauder said:
The problem with all these studies is that looking at any one position in isolation is basically meaningless. Every $2 you spend on adding an extra kicker costs you $2 at another position. You could be giving up this years Mike Tolbert or Steve Johnson. Any study that tries to determine an optimal strategy for one postion needs to look at how it affects all the other positions. I'm not sure how you would do it, the number of permutations is huge.My gut feel tells me that 3 cheap kickers (max $8 total) is probably the optimal number. Any more than that is probably costing you more at other positions than the marginal gain at that position but I don't know of any way to prove that. I wouldn't be surprised if 2 cheap kickers turned out to be optimal but I would be surprised if more than 3 turned out to be optimal.
I'm going to disagree somewhat. I get what you're saying and agree that you need to look at the interaction between the positions. But I don't think that individual position analysis is meaningless. One possible strategy in this contest is to start by deciding how much many of each position you want and how much you want to spend there. The QB, Kicker and Defense positions are unique in that you can only start one. If I start by saying that I believe I need to get 10 points from my Kicker position every week, then any study (such as the one CalBear just posted) that says that 3 cheap kickers will pretty much guarantee me my desired 10 points is meaningful. Now I know i can have up to 27 roster spots left and $242 to spend. I've gotten my desired outcome from this position and eliminated one variable from the problem. You can now start to work on the rest of the contest, using this as an assumption, then at the end, you can revisit and see if removing that 3rd kicker will help/harm your team.
 
I think I'm going to win

QB - Ben Roethlisberger - PIT/11 - $23

QB - Cam Newton - CAR/9 - $14

RB - Shonn Greene - NYJ/8 - $26

RB - Jahvid Best - DET/9 - $25

WR - Mario Manningham - NYG/7 - $19

WR - Antonio Brown - PIT/11 - $3

WR - Josh Cribbs - CLE/5 - $2

TE - Jermichael Finley - GB/8 - $22

TE - Jimmy Graham - NO/11 - $15

PK - Mason Crosby - GB/8 - $6

PK - Stephen Gostkowski - NE/7 - $6

PK - Alex Henery - PHI/7 - $5

PK - Neil Rackers - HOU/11 - $5

PK - Sebastian Janikowski - OAK/8 - $4

PK - Robbie Gould - CHI/8 - $4

PK - Matt Bryant - ATL/8 - $4

PK - Billy Cundiff - BAL/5 - $4

PK - Jason Hanson - DET/9 - $4

PK - Adam Vinatieri - IND/11 - $4

PK - Rob Bironas - TEN/6 - $3

PK - Josh Brown - STL/5 - $3

PK - Nick Folk - NYJ/8 - $3

PK - Ryan Longwell - MIN/9 - $3

PK - Lawrence Tynes - NYG/7 - $3

PK - Connor Barth - TB/8 - $3

PK - Rian Lindell - BUF/7 - $2

PK - Olindo Mare - CAR/9 - $2

PK - Jay Feely - ARI/6 - $2

TD - Houston Texans - HOU/11 - $3

TD - Arizona Cardinals - ARI/6 - $3

 
I think I'm going to winQB - Ben Roethlisberger - PIT/11 - $23QB - Cam Newton - CAR/9 - $14RB - Shonn Greene - NYJ/8 - $26RB - Jahvid Best - DET/9 - $25WR - Mario Manningham - NYG/7 - $19WR - Antonio Brown - PIT/11 - $3WR - Josh Cribbs - CLE/5 - $2TE - Jermichael Finley - GB/8 - $22TE - Jimmy Graham - NO/11 - $15PK - Mason Crosby - GB/8 - $6PK - Stephen Gostkowski - NE/7 - $6PK - Alex Henery - PHI/7 - $5PK - Neil Rackers - HOU/11 - $5PK - Sebastian Janikowski - OAK/8 - $4PK - Robbie Gould - CHI/8 - $4PK - Matt Bryant - ATL/8 - $4PK - Billy Cundiff - BAL/5 - $4PK - Jason Hanson - DET/9 - $4PK - Adam Vinatieri - IND/11 - $4PK - Rob Bironas - TEN/6 - $3PK - Josh Brown - STL/5 - $3PK - Nick Folk - NYJ/8 - $3PK - Ryan Longwell - MIN/9 - $3PK - Lawrence Tynes - NYG/7 - $3PK - Connor Barth - TB/8 - $3PK - Rian Lindell - BUF/7 - $2PK - Olindo Mare - CAR/9 - $2PK - Jay Feely - ARI/6 - $2TD - Houston Texans - HOU/11 - $3TD - Arizona Cardinals - ARI/6 - $3
You can get Iggy's vote if you can find a way to add another kicker.
 
Added 3 more kickers. 22 total

QB - Ben Roethlisberger - PIT/11 - $23

RB - Shonn Greene - NYJ/8 - $26

RB - Jahvid Best - DET/9 - $25

WR - Mario Manningham - NYG/7 - $19

WR - Antonio Brown - PIT/11 - $3

WR - Josh Cribbs - CLE/5 - $2

TE - Jermichael Finley - GB/8 - $22

PK - Nate Kaeding - SD/6 - $7

PK - Mason Crosby - GB/8 - $6

PK - Stephen Gostkowski - NE/7 - $6

PK - Alex Henery - PHI/7 - $5

PK - Neil Rackers - HOU/11 - $5

PK - Sebastian Janikowski - OAK/8 - $4

PK - Robbie Gould - CHI/8 - $4

PK - Matt Bryant - ATL/8 - $4

PK - Billy Cundiff - BAL/5 - $4

PK - Jason Hanson - DET/9 - $4

PK - Adam Vinatieri - IND/11 - $4

PK - Rob Bironas - TEN/6 - $3

PK - Josh Brown - STL/5 - $3

PK - Nick Folk - NYJ/8 - $3

PK - Ryan Longwell - MIN/9 - $3

PK - Lawrence Tynes - NYG/7 - $3

PK - Shaun Suisham - PIT/11 - $3

PK - Ryan Succop - KC/6 - $3

PK - Connor Barth - TB/8 - $3

PK - Rian Lindell - BUF/7 - $2

PK - Olindo Mare - CAR/9 - $2

PK - Jay Feely - ARI/6 - $2

TD - Houston Texans - HOU/11 - $3

 
Added 3 more kickers. 22 totalQB - Ben Roethlisberger - PIT/11 - $23RB - Shonn Greene - NYJ/8 - $26RB - Jahvid Best - DET/9 - $25WR - Mario Manningham - NYG/7 - $19WR - Antonio Brown - PIT/11 - $3WR - Josh Cribbs - CLE/5 - $2TE - Jermichael Finley - GB/8 - $22PK - Nate Kaeding - SD/6 - $7PK - Mason Crosby - GB/8 - $6PK - Stephen Gostkowski - NE/7 - $6PK - Alex Henery - PHI/7 - $5PK - Neil Rackers - HOU/11 - $5PK - Sebastian Janikowski - OAK/8 - $4PK - Robbie Gould - CHI/8 - $4PK - Matt Bryant - ATL/8 - $4PK - Billy Cundiff - BAL/5 - $4PK - Jason Hanson - DET/9 - $4PK - Adam Vinatieri - IND/11 - $4PK - Rob Bironas - TEN/6 - $3PK - Josh Brown - STL/5 - $3PK - Nick Folk - NYJ/8 - $3PK - Ryan Longwell - MIN/9 - $3PK - Lawrence Tynes - NYG/7 - $3PK - Shaun Suisham - PIT/11 - $3PK - Ryan Succop - KC/6 - $3PK - Connor Barth - TB/8 - $3PK - Rian Lindell - BUF/7 - $2PK - Olindo Mare - CAR/9 - $2PK - Jay Feely - ARI/6 - $2TD - Houston Texans - HOU/11 - $3
You've got too many Week 11 byes. I would suggest Denver D (week 6), and change out Roethlisberger to Sam Bradford. Then you've got $7 more for more kickers!
 
I thought I was done and now I have spent the last day writing a computer program to simulate the season.
I thought I was done, too. Then the Garrard news broke..........
You really were done if you had him on your roster to begin with.
Him, no. His receivers, yes.
Just switched out Shorts. Just can't trust him with McCown, although I suppose hoping for Gabbert to play better with the younger WRs may be a good plan as well.
 
this is it, my final entry, no web access tomorrow and my last live draft of the year

QB - Matt Schaub - HOU/11 - $20

QB - Matthew Stafford - DET/9 - $18

RB - Felix Jones - DAL/5 - $23

RB - Chris Wells - ARI/6 - $16

RB - Tim Hightower - WAS/5 - $14

RB - Willis McGahee - DEN/6 - $11

RB - Pierre Thomas - NO/11 - $7

RB - Jerome Harrison - DET/9 - $5

RB - Ben Tate - HOU/11 - $3

RB - Derrick Ward - HOU/11 - $3

WR - Steve Johnson - BUF/7 - $19

WR - Roy Williams - CHI/8 - $11

WR - Plaxico Burress - NYJ/8 - $10

WR - Lee Evans - BAL/5 - $10

WR - Nate Burleson - DET/9 - $8

WR - Danny Amendola - STL/5 - $8

WR - Jordy Nelson - GB/8 - $7

WR - Jacoby Jones - HOU/11 - $6

WR - Bernard Berrian - MIN/9 - $5

WR - Denarius Moore - OAK/8 - $3

WR - Dexter McCluster - KC/6 - $2

TE - Greg Olsen - CAR/9 - $9

TE - Todd Heap - ARI/6 - $8

TE - Lance Kendricks - STL/5 - $6

PK - Shaun Suisham - PIT/11 - $3

PK - Jay Feely - ARI/6 - $2

PK - Phil Dawson - CLE/5 - $2

TD - San Diego Chargers - SD/6 - $5

TD - Cleveland Browns - CLE/5 - $3

TD - St. Louis Rams - STL/5 - $3

 
Would you people stop posting? I swore I was done and have now changed my mind and decided to go back and make a few tweaks.

For you guys arguing that 22 kickers is the way to go, I have to say that you are nuts. EVERYONE knows that after 18 kickers, you are just wasting your money.

In all seriousness...... My big question is Wes Welker.

Would you take Wes Welker or Vincent Jackson?

 
Would you people stop posting? I swore I was done and have now changed my mind and decided to go back and make a few tweaks. For you guys arguing that 22 kickers is the way to go, I have to say that you are nuts. EVERYONE knows that after 18 kickers, you are just wasting your money. In all seriousness...... My big question is Wes Welker. Would you take Wes Welker or Vincent Jackson?
Sorry, wrong forum. Try the ACF. ;)
 
Well... back to the board again. Everything that made sense yesterday changed today. Gotta love this contest... Latest roster:

QB: 2 @ $37 (only thing that hasn't changed)

RB: 6 @ $74

WR: 7 @ $94

TE: 3 @ $29

PK: 3 @ $7

TD: 3 @ $9

I got nervous in looking at Week 5 and had to diversify a bit. Had studs at RB and ended up going mid-tier the whole way around at RB.. For some reason, I am thinking most of the value guys are in the mid-tier for RB.

 
Would you people stop posting? I swore I was done and have now changed my mind and decided to go back and make a few tweaks. For you guys arguing that 22 kickers is the way to go, I have to say that you are nuts. EVERYONE knows that after 18 kickers, you are just wasting your money. In all seriousness...... My big question is Wes Welker. Would you take Wes Welker or Vincent Jackson?
Sorry, wrong forum. Try the ACF. ;)
I actually meant for this contest.
 
Would you people stop posting? I swore I was done and have now changed my mind and decided to go back and make a few tweaks. For you guys arguing that 22 kickers is the way to go, I have to say that you are nuts. EVERYONE knows that after 18 kickers, you are just wasting your money. In all seriousness...... My big question is Wes Welker. Would you take Wes Welker or Vincent Jackson?
Sorry, wrong forum. Try the ACF. ;)
I actually meant for this contest.
I think he got that... but you missed his :sarcasm:
 
this is it, my final entry, no web access tomorrow and my last live draft of the year

QB - Matt Schaub - HOU/11 - $20

QB - Matthew Stafford - DET/9 - $18

RB - Felix Jones - DAL/5 - $23

RB - Chris Wells - ARI/6 - $16

RB - Tim Hightower - WAS/5 - $14

RB - Willis McGahee - DEN/6 - $11

RB - Pierre Thomas - NO/11 - $7

RB - Jerome Harrison - DET/9 - $5

RB - Ben Tate - HOU/11 - $3

RB - Derrick Ward - HOU/11 - $3

WR - Steve Johnson - BUF/7 - $19

WR - Roy Williams - CHI/8 - $11 WR - Plaxico Burress - NYJ/8 - $10

WR - Lee Evans - BAL/5 - $10

WR - Nate Burleson - DET/9 - $8

WR - Danny Amendola - STL/5 - $8

WR - Jordy Nelson - GB/8 - $7

WR - Jacoby Jones - HOU/11 - $6

WR - Bernard Berrian - MIN/9 - $5

WR - Denarius Moore - OAK/8 - $3

WR - Dexter McCluster - KC/6 - $2

TE - Greg Olsen - CAR/9 - $9

TE - Todd Heap - ARI/6 - $8

TE - Lance Kendricks - STL/5 - $6

PK - Shaun Suisham - PIT/11 - $3

PK - Jay Feely - ARI/6 - $2

PK - Phil Dawson - CLE/5 - $2

TD - San Diego Chargers - SD/6 - $5

TD - Cleveland Browns - CLE/5 - $3

TD - St. Louis Rams - STL/5 - $3
:yucky:
 
Would you people stop posting? I swore I was done and have now changed my mind and decided to go back and make a few tweaks. For you guys arguing that 22 kickers is the way to go, I have to say that you are nuts. EVERYONE knows that after 18 kickers, you are just wasting your money. In all seriousness...... My big question is Wes Welker. Would you take Wes Welker or Vincent Jackson?
Sorry, wrong forum. Try the ACF. ;)
I actually meant for this contest.
I think he got that... but you missed his :sarcasm:
:yes:
 
My final entry. I won't be changing unless there is an injury.

QB - Philip Rivers - SD/6 - $24

QB - Colt McCoy - CLE/5 - $10

RB - Ray Rice - BAL/5 - $35

RB - Chris Wells - ARI/6 - $16

RB - Brandon Jacobs - NYG/7 - $16

RB - Montario Hardesty - CLE/5 - $4

RB - Deji Karim - JAX/9 - $3

RB - Marion Barber - CHI/8 - $3

RB - Isaac Redman - PIT/11 - $2

WR - Larry Fitzgerald - ARI/6 - $28

WR - Mike Wallace - PIT/11 - $23

WR - Mario Manningham - NYG/7 - $19

WR - Nate Burleson - DET/9 - $8

WR - Danny Amendola - STL/5 - $8

WR - Jordy Nelson - GB/8 - $7

WR - Eric Decker - DEN/6 - $6

WR - Jordan Shipley - CIN/7 - $4

WR - Harry Douglas - ATL/8 - $4

TE - Owen Daniels - HOU/11 - $12

TE - Lance Kendricks - STL/5 - $6

PK - Rian Lindell - BUF/7 - $2

PK - Olindo Mare - CAR/9 - $2

PK - Jay Feely - ARI/6 - $2

TD - Buffalo Bills - BUF/7 - $2

TD - Denver Broncos - DEN/6 - $2

TD - Jacksonville Jaguars - JAX/9 - $2

26/$250

 
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Ok, I think I'm done now:

Pos ---- Qty --- % of Budget

QB ------ 2 --- 13.60%

RB ------ 5 --- 36.00%

WR ----- 7 --- 29.20%

TE ------ 3 --- 11.20%

K ------- 4 ----- 5.60%

D ------- 4 ----- 4.40%

Tot------ 25--- 100%

 
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To add to the topic of optimum cost per position:

I'm currently running a program I've written for this contest that attempts to find the optimum contest team by comparing team performance using different team structures. It's pretty much impossible to look at every single team possibility (it would take longer than the age of the universe to look at all possibilities), however it is possible to create a "starter" team and randomly swap players around until you find a new combination that scores better than the old one. This method is similar to path-finding methods which base themselves off of how insects map optimal paths in nature, it won't be perfect but it will be pretty good for your purposes.

I looked at things from multiple angles, including scoring teams that perform better in weeks 14-16 higher, scoring extra players (i.e. QB2+, RB4+, WR5+, etc) with diminishing returns, taking nothing about the players or season into account and just trying to get the highest overall score, constructing teams with lots of players, few players, lots of redundancy, no redundancy, etc. After all of that this is what I've determined:

* The question of 2QB vs 3QB, 2PK vs 3PK, etc is pretty much a personal risk preference, though if you go 2QB you can't go cheap on the second one. Even with QBs being weighted at 80% the value of their projected points I find QBs being prioritized over other positions during the optimization process.

* While kickers may seem worthless, most of the teams I've generated that applied diminishing returns to extra players at a position had high priced kickers (as a good PK1 is better than a good WR6). Same with defeneses. Generally speaking you want the primary players at all positions to be good.

* There are 3-4 players that appear in a vast majority of teams regardless of scoring and weighting. One of them is Denarius Moore.

* In teams generated with diminishing returns there are around 10 primary players.

* You don't need to worry about players with a bye-week of 5. Almost all teams generated had poor performance that week, and most of the best ones I generated had a huge number of players on bye that week, in fact most of the best teams I've seen so far have only had the two worst RBs on the team playing that week. You do however need to have several players with good match-ups to counteract the players off that week, though it does seem to the be the "safest" week to have most of your studs off.

* RB is a disaster position this year. There's not much in terms of value at that position and the "best value" players are not players you may want. If you are looking for a position where you want to focus finding a long shot or using your gut to make a choice this is where you want to focus.

My advice to everyone playing is find value in every position other than RB, and forget projections at the RB position and just find the most cost-effective players you can that have a chance of breaking big this season. Given RB is the hardest to find value at it's probably going to be the biggest dollar-to-dollar difference maker.

 
To add to the topic of optimum cost per position:I'm currently running a program I've written for this contest that attempts to find the optimum contest team by comparing team performance using different team structures. It's pretty much impossible to look at every single team possibility (it would take longer than the age of the universe to look at all possibilities), however it is possible to create a "starter" team and randomly swap players around until you find a new combination that scores better than the old one. This method is similar to path-finding methods which base themselves off of how insects map optimal paths in nature, it won't be perfect but it will be pretty good for your purposes.I looked at things from multiple angles, including scoring teams that perform better in weeks 14-16 higher, scoring extra players (i.e. QB2+, RB4+, WR5+, etc) with diminishing returns, taking nothing about the players or season into account and just trying to get the highest overall score, constructing teams with lots of players, few players, lots of redundancy, no redundancy, etc. After all of that this is what I've determined:* The question of 2QB vs 3QB, 2PK vs 3PK, etc is pretty much a personal risk preference, though if you go 2QB you can't go cheap on the second one. Even with QBs being weighted at 80% the value of their projected points I find QBs being prioritized over other positions during the optimization process.* While kickers may seem worthless, most of the teams I've generated that applied diminishing returns to extra players at a position had high priced kickers (as a good PK1 is better than a good WR6). Same with defeneses. Generally speaking you want the primary players at all positions to be good.* There are 3-4 players that appear in a vast majority of teams regardless of scoring and weighting. One of them is Denarius Moore.* In teams generated with diminishing returns there are around 10 primary players.* You don't need to worry about players with a bye-week of 5. Almost all teams generated had poor performance that week, and most of the best ones I generated had a huge number of players on bye that week, in fact most of the best teams I've seen so far have only had the two worst RBs on the team playing that week. You do however need to have several players with good match-ups to counteract the players off that week, though it does seem to the be the "safest" week to have most of your studs off.* RB is a disaster position this year. There's not much in terms of value at that position and the "best value" players are not players you may want. If you are looking for a position where you want to focus finding a long shot or using your gut to make a choice this is where you want to focus.My advice to everyone playing is find value in every position other than RB, and forget projections at the RB position and just find the most cost-effective players you can that have a chance of breaking big this season. Given RB is the hardest to find value at it's probably going to be the biggest dollar-to-dollar difference maker.
I agree on RB. There is no obvious Arian Foster this season. Making it very tough. I think an injury or overperformance will likely be the key to RB stability. At RB, I personally went with one stud and a bunch of longshots hoping to hit on one or two.
 
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To add to the topic of optimum cost per position:I'm currently running a program I've written for this contest that attempts to find the optimum contest team by comparing team performance using different team structures. It's pretty much impossible to look at every single team possibility (it would take longer than the age of the universe to look at all possibilities), however it is possible to create a "starter" team and randomly swap players around until you find a new combination that scores better than the old one. This method is similar to path-finding methods which base themselves off of how insects map optimal paths in nature, it won't be perfect but it will be pretty good for your purposes.I looked at things from multiple angles, including scoring teams that perform better in weeks 14-16 higher, scoring extra players (i.e. QB2+, RB4+, WR5+, etc) with diminishing returns, taking nothing about the players or season into account and just trying to get the highest overall score, constructing teams with lots of players, few players, lots of redundancy, no redundancy, etc. After all of that this is what I've determined:* The question of 2QB vs 3QB, 2PK vs 3PK, etc is pretty much a personal risk preference, though if you go 2QB you can't go cheap on the second one. Even with QBs being weighted at 80% the value of their projected points I find QBs being prioritized over other positions during the optimization process.* While kickers may seem worthless, most of the teams I've generated that applied diminishing returns to extra players at a position had high priced kickers (as a good PK1 is better than a good WR6). Same with defeneses. Generally speaking you want the primary players at all positions to be good.* There are 3-4 players that appear in a vast majority of teams regardless of scoring and weighting. One of them is Denarius Moore.* In teams generated with diminishing returns there are around 10 primary players.* You don't need to worry about players with a bye-week of 5. Almost all teams generated had poor performance that week, and most of the best ones I generated had a huge number of players on bye that week, in fact most of the best teams I've seen so far have only had the two worst RBs on the team playing that week. You do however need to have several players with good match-ups to counteract the players off that week, though it does seem to the be the "safest" week to have most of your studs off.* RB is a disaster position this year. There's not much in terms of value at that position and the "best value" players are not players you may want. If you are looking for a position where you want to focus finding a long shot or using your gut to make a choice this is where you want to focus.My advice to everyone playing is find value in every position other than RB, and forget projections at the RB position and just find the most cost-effective players you can that have a chance of breaking big this season. Given RB is the hardest to find value at it's probably going to be the biggest dollar-to-dollar difference maker.
I thought about doing this, but decided against it. My question for you is, what are you doing for scoring. What I mean is how are you determining how a certain player does each week?
 
I thought about doing this, but decided against it. My question for you is, what are you doing for scoring. What I mean is how are you determining how a certain player does each week?
I just exported the draft dominator weekly scoring, which is the easy part. The harder part is trying to figure out how to weight players who might not score for your team. For instance how do you value Matthew Stafford if you already have Aaron Rodgers on your team? You expect Rodgers to handle a majority of your scoring, however to protect against injury, bye weeks, and poor performance Stafford has some value. How do you weight that against having better depth at WR? I thought going into this the optimization algorithm would be the hardest, but I found it's actually pretty easy to get something to complete with a high-value team in a few hours, it's the algorithm that scores the teams which is the hardest to get right.Edit: I've considered trying to factor in SoS into this as well but I don't have time this year. In theory you want to grab players with easier schedules as the season goes on. While SoS is already factored into projections, if you have a RB projected at 15 points for a week but is running against the #1 rush defense and you have another that's projected at 13 and is running against #32 it's probably better to go for the second guy as he's got a better chance of breaking out that week. At least I think that's the case, I need to run through some historical projections and actuals to figure if that's even correct. I haven't even figured out the sweet-spot for back-up player scoring yet so I think both of those will be a good project next summer.
 
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I thought about doing this, but decided against it. My question for you is, what are you doing for scoring. What I mean is how are you determining how a certain player does each week?
I just exported the draft dominator weekly scoring, which is the easy part. The harder part is trying to figure out how to weight players who might not score for your team. For instance how do you value Matthew Stafford if you already have Aaron Rodgers on your team? You expect Rodgers to handle a majority of your scoring, however to protect against injury, bye weeks, and poor performance Stafford has some value. How do you weight that against having better depth at WR? I thought going into this the optimization algorithm would be the hardest, but I found it's actually pretty easy to get something to complete with a high-value team in a few hours, it's the algorithm that scores the teams which is the hardest to get right.
You'd probably need to run simulations using some kind of pmf for player scoring.
 
Edit: I've considered trying to factor in SoS into this as well but I don't have time this year. In theory you want to grab players with easier schedules as the season goes on. While SoS is already factored into projections, if you have a RB projected at 15 points for a week but is running against the #1 rush defense and you have another that's projected at 13 and is running against #32 it's probably better to go for the second guy as he's got a better chance of breaking out that week. At least I think that's the case, I need to run through some historical projections and actuals to figure if that's even correct. I haven't even figured out the sweet-spot for back-up player scoring yet so I think both of those will be a good project next summer.
I'd guess (but I'm not sure) that this is basically how DD comes up with its weekly player points - e.g. if you have a QB projected for 320 fantasy points for the season, you distribute that 320 points across each of the weeks, weighted by the position-specific SOS. I'm not sure how valuable preseason SOS is anyway.But this is basically where the pmfs would come in. You could derive some distributions based on past performance of players with a certain projection, and if you wanted to you could include opponent type (e.g. WRs projected to score 10-12 points playing against a team with a top-10 passing defense). Then run simulations. I think this is similar to what Drinen does for his in-season sims.All of this seems like it's far more work than it's worth, but I understand the desire to do stuff like this anyway, just for fun. If you had last year's prices and weekly player scores, could you plug them in and optimize a team for last year's contest? An open question (for me, at least) is what that team would look like (since I assume the team that won wasn't actually the optimal team). I don't have the prices and points, but I'm just curious if you could do that anyway. The prices and weekly points would be relatively easy to grab if you wanted to try.
 
I thought about doing this, but decided against it. My question for you is, what are you doing for scoring. What I mean is how are you determining how a certain player does each week?
I just exported the draft dominator weekly scoring, which is the easy part. The harder part is trying to figure out how to weight players who might not score for your team. For instance how do you value Matthew Stafford if you already have Aaron Rodgers on your team? You expect Rodgers to handle a majority of your scoring, however to protect against injury, bye weeks, and poor performance Stafford has some value. How do you weight that against having better depth at WR? I thought going into this the optimization algorithm would be the hardest, but I found it's actually pretty easy to get something to complete with a high-value team in a few hours, it's the algorithm that scores the teams which is the hardest to get right.
Yeah, thats the problem i was having. My solution was to simulate each game many times so I can then get a distribution of scores for each week and through several possible season paths, then I could do as you said and have a "starter" team and work from there, but I never made it that far. I can get the score distributions just didn't have the time to complete what you did.
 
Well I think I am officially done with 29 players

QB = $42 (2)

RB = $87 (9)

WR = $92 (8)

TE = $17 (4)

PK = $6 (3)

TD = $6 (3)

 

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