***Official 2014 World Cup Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[TenTimes]

brazilian women take this sport SERIOUSLY. the looks on some of their faces right now could kill

 

[The Gator]

Good half, Memo keeping Mexico in it

 

[Christo]

i hate this guy on color commentary - he might as well be Stevie Wonder. No way was that a yellow

You mean the guy with a Mexicaned accent favors a Mexican player? Gtfo

He is Venezuelan.

They all sound the same to you, racist?

 

[TheIronSheik]

Flopping is extremely annoying, in any sport, but especially so in soccer. I think someone caught flopping should get punched either in the face or the ####. Then they'd have something to flop about.

I'm not going to get sucked into the flopping conversation, but I will say that I believe at least a decent amount of what people think are "flops" in soccer are not really flops. As a player, you are taught to disengage on contact. If I've got the ball and Jermaine Jones is trying to slide tackle me at full speed, I'm probably going to go airborne at the slightest contact....otherwise he's going right through my legs for a gruesome compound fracture. If you watch the slow-mo, it looks like there was minimal contact and that I flopped. But is that really the case? IMO, no.That said, the embellishment is a problem. If you go down on that slide and no foul is called and you're not hurt, get up and play. It's the guys rolling around on the ground for 5 minutes screaming in fake agony that piss me off.

I also think people wildly underestimate how little contact with your feet/ankles it takes to bring you down when you are running full speed. They also underestimate how much it hurts to be sprinting and have someone trip you.

I don't think most people are upset with guys going down when knocked down. I think it's the laying on the ground, writhing in pain until a whistle is blown, then hopping up and clapping.

To me, that's the "flop."

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Roughly how much do the players run in a game? Someone claimed the other day that it was 18 miles but I didn't have the heart to point out that would be at a world class marathon pace.

My guess is around 6-8.

I think 6 to 10 is a good estimate.

 

[Celph Titled]

I ran around my living room about 5 miles yesterday during the game.

 

[ffldrew]

Ochoa - MOTFH

 

[SmoovySmoov]

Why exactly was it that Liverpool let Ochoa get away again? He's been huge in goal. Can we give Reina and Brad Jones to get him back? Please?

 

[Mjolnirs]

For people that hate the flopping, I'd use Dempsey yesterday as an example. (Disclaimer, I've watched Dempsey play exactly 1 game but what I saw from him yesterday, he's the poster guy for anti flopping)

J

You'll enjoy the game winning goal from Switzerland then. The Swiss player was fouled, rolled right back up and kept going and it led to the game winning shot.link

 

[TheIronSheik]

i hate this guy on color commentary - he might as well be Stevie Wonder. No way was that a yellow

You mean the guy with a Mexicaned accent favors a Mexican player? Gtfo

He is Venezuelan.

They all sound the same to you, racist?

Oh, so now we have to be all PC and call each Mexican from which country they're from? This PC crap is annoying.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Quick cliff notes for Joe on the mixed feeling with Mexico that may come across in the thread.

Mexico, as our neighbor and as what was once the longtime power in our region (CONCACAF - The Confederation of North, Cenral Amercian and Caribbean Association Football) and pretty much the sole representative of any merit on the world stage for the region from basically 1934 until 1994. We were sort of the Clippers (at best) to their Lakers in the region (if the Lakers didn't actually win anything but just always made the playoffs). Anyway, as the game has grown in the USA, we've gotten on par with them and really have passed them in recent years. It's turned it into a two-way rivalry that is one of the best in the entire world.

On top of this competitive dynamic there the whole incident where we lost a game at Azteca Stadium in Mexico City and some in their crowd decided to chant us with "Osama Osama" chants. For this reason, there are many of us for whom Mexico can't lose enough games. This is where it's at for me.

The conflict comes in that the spaces in the World Cup are allotted by Confederation. (in the list below ".5" means that the last team from the Confederation has a playoff for a spot vs the last team from another conderation - Mexico defeated New Zealand in a playoff for their spot, so there are 4 CONCACAF teams - we are allotted 3.5). After every World Cup, confederations jockey for position with each other - generally trying to increase their allotment of spots (or at least not lose any). So Mexico winning helps our confederation keep more spots - giving the USA a better chance to qualify each time. But Mexico can't lose enough games for our taste. Thus a conflict.

UEFA (Europe - and because of the fun of global politics, Israel is in Europe): 13 spaces

CONMEBOL (South America) Usually it's 4.5. They got an extra one as Brazil is host and they kept the allotment the same so it's 5.5. 6 South American teams qualified (Brazil, Argentina Chile, Colombia Uruguay, Ecuador).

AFC (Asia - and because Oceania is so weak, Australia while in the real world it's own continent is a part of Asia for FIFA purposes): 4.5 (they lost the playoff so they only have 4 teams this year). Our region generally tries to fight with this confederation over allotment.

CAF (Africa) They have 5 spots. They didn't have to deal with any inter-confederation playoffs. If Africa does poorly our confederation and Asia will try to pluck at least 0.5 of one of these spots.

CONCACAF (The confederation including the US - this confederation also includes tons of tiny island countries as well as the the 3 small countries in the northern part of South America who prefer not to get routinely pummeled by their continent mates). So we get 3.5 spots as mentioned above.

OFC (Oceania - basically New Zealand and a handful of tiny islands of which Tahiti is probably the only real thread). They get 0.5 spots. New Zealand lost a playoff to Mexico so there are no teams from this confederation in the World Cup. This confederation always argues that it should get a whole spot of its own to which other confederation say "um, basically your confederation is just New Zealand". This confederation used to have Australia too - part of why they left was they felt like they had a better chance to qualify in Asia and avoiding a 2-leg playoff for a spot and also b/c you can only become so good beating American Samoa 31-0.

So there you go.

-QG

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Seems like guys usually run 8-10km when they show that stat at the end of the game. So maybe 5-6 miles.

 

[Celph Titled]

It is a serious coincidence that both goalkeepers are named "Puto."

 

[El Floppo]

lol... Alves gets to do it over and over, but Ramires gets the yellow on his first tackle.

Pretty hard tackle IMO. Not your run of the mill tackle where the idiot flops for a minute.

yes- it was card worthy, especially stopping the break as the last man. But Alves and others have been hammering guys and are getting away with it without cards.

impossible for you to let go of the flopping,eh, chet. had nothing to do with that play, but you feel like it's important to bring up here.

 

[El Floppo]

It is a serious coincidence that both goalkeepers are named "Puto."

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[Spartans Rule]

Why exactly was it that Liverpool let Ochoa get away again? He's been huge in goal. Can we give Reina and Brad Jones to get him back? Please?

He's currently a free agent. His agent's phone should be blowing up right now.

 

[Kal El]

Flopping is extremely annoying, in any sport, but especially so in soccer. I think someone caught flopping should get punched either in the face or the ####. Then they'd have something to flop about.

I'm not going to get sucked into the flopping conversation, but I will say that I believe at least a decent amount of what people think are "flops" in soccer are not really flops. As a player, you are taught to disengage on contact. If I've got the ball and Jermaine Jones is trying to slide tackle me at full speed, I'm probably going to go airborne at the slightest contact....otherwise he's going right through my legs for a gruesome compound fracture. If you watch the slow-mo, it looks like there was minimal contact and that I flopped. But is that really the case? IMO, no.That said, the embellishment is a problem. If you go down on that slide and no foul is called and you're not hurt, get up and play. It's the guys rolling around on the ground for 5 minutes screaming in fake agony that piss me off.

I don't mind the guys trying to avoid contact, but it's the embellishment that bugs me the most. Those are the guys who should get punished somehow.

 

[QuizGuy66]

This is the WC thread. The soccer thread has over 73k posts in it.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=305522

Sorry. Sarcasm didn't play well there.

J

Heh

-QG

 

[The Gator]

Why exactly was it that Liverpool let Ochoa get away again? He's been huge in goal. Can we give Reina and Brad Jones to get him back? Please?

Nobody can have better hair than Henderson

 

[The Gator]

It is a serious coincidence that both goalkeepers are named "Puto."

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[El Floppo]

Flopping is extremely annoying, in any sport, but especially so in soccer. I think someone caught flopping should get punched either in the face or the ####. Then they'd have something to flop about.

I'm not going to get sucked into the flopping conversation, but I will say that I believe at least a decent amount of what people think are "flops" in soccer are not really flops. As a player, you are taught to disengage on contact. If I've got the ball and Jermaine Jones is trying to slide tackle me at full speed, I'm probably going to go airborne at the slightest contact....otherwise he's going right through my legs for a gruesome compound fracture. If you watch the slow-mo, it looks like there was minimal contact and that I flopped. But is that really the case? IMO, no.That said, the embellishment is a problem. If you go down on that slide and no foul is called and you're not hurt, get up and play. It's the guys rolling around on the ground for 5 minutes screaming in fake agony that piss me off.

I don't mind the guys trying to avoid contact, but it's the embellishment that bugs me the most. Those are the guys who should get punished somehow.

You won't find even the most die-hard soccer fan in here who would disagree with you.

 

[Celph Titled]

Flopping is extremely annoying, in any sport, but especially so in soccer. I think someone caught flopping should get punched either in the face or the ####. Then they'd have something to flop about.

I'm not going to get sucked into the flopping conversation, but I will say that I believe at least a decent amount of what people think are "flops" in soccer are not really flops. As a player, you are taught to disengage on contact. If I've got the ball and Jermaine Jones is trying to slide tackle me at full speed, I'm probably going to go airborne at the slightest contact....otherwise he's going right through my legs for a gruesome compound fracture. If you watch the slow-mo, it looks like there was minimal contact and that I flopped. But is that really the case? IMO, no.That said, the embellishment is a problem. If you go down on that slide and no foul is called and you're not hurt, get up and play. It's the guys rolling around on the ground for 5 minutes screaming in fake agony that piss me off.

I don't mind the guys trying to avoid contact, but it's the embellishment that bugs me the most. Those are the guys who should get punished somehow.

That requires FIFA to be progressive and fix real problems.

Take a few minutes and watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJEt2KU33I

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Embellishment to try and get a guy a card is one thing, embellishment to stop the game for long enough that you know which side is up again is another. No subs, plus continuous action means you don't get any time to recover if you're hurt and pop right back up.

 

[Mjolnirs]

It is a serious coincidence that both goalkeepers are named "Puto."

 

[The Gator]

i hate this guy on color commentary - he might as well be Stevie Wonder. No way was that a yellow

You mean the guy with a Mexicaned accent favors a Mexican player? Gtfo

He is Venezuelan.

They all sound the same to you, racist?

Oh, so now we have to be all PC and call each Mexican from which country they're from? This PC crap is annoying.

Mexican is easier to say than Vuvuzelan

 

[chet]

lol... Alves gets to do it over and over, but Ramires gets the yellow on his first tackle.

Pretty hard tackle IMO. Not your run of the mill tackle where the idiot flops for a minute.

yes- it was card worthy, especially stopping the break as the last man. But Alves and others have been hammering guys and are getting away with it without cards.

impossible for you to let go of the flopping,eh, chet. had nothing to do with that play, but you feel like it's important to bring up here.

I will try.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Only thing worse than these soccer players like Dempsey rolling around holding their face and holding the game up are these boxers that take a left hook to the chin and lay on the ground like they are dead waiting for the ref to count to 10.

Dempsey's reasonable reaction to having his nose broken only amplifies how awful some of the theatrics are that the 'haters' complain about. You're making their point for them.

F their point. If you don't like it, don't watch. But don't tell me that the flopping is the only thing keeping them from watching.

FWIW, I thought Dempsey was a great answer to people who don't like the flopping.

He broke his nose, took a hard kick to the head, refused the little paramedic boat and went back in the game with gauze stuffed up his nose.

Not sure how you play any tougher than that.

For people that hate the flopping, I'd use Dempsey yesterday as an example. (Disclaimer, I've watched Dempsey play exactly 1 game but what I saw from him yesterday, he's the poster guy for anti flopping)

J

But he did lay on the ground for a while before getting up and walking off, and I think left us playing short-handed for a few minutes. I think the anti-flopping crowd would focus on this rather than on the fact that he kept playing.

 

[NewlyRetired]

lol... Alves gets to do it over and over, but Ramires gets the yellow on his first tackle.

Pretty hard tackle IMO. Not your run of the mill tackle where the idiot flops for a minute.

yes- it was card worthy, especially stopping the break as the last man. But Alves and others have been hammering guys and are getting away with it without cards.

impossible for you to let go of the flopping,eh, chet. had nothing to do with that play, but you feel like it's important to bring up here.

Scooby predicted this months ago.

The flopping crap is making this thread awful to read.

 

[Celph Titled]

Official World Cup Flopping Thread?

 

[chet]

On top of this competitive dynamic there the whole incident where we lost a game at Azteca Stadium in Mexico City and some in their crowd decided to chant us with "Osama Osama" chants. For this reason, there are many of us for whom Mexico can't lose enough games. This is where it's at for me.

Wow. Didn't know this. No room for this. MAKE THEM PAY, FRED!

 

[chet]

lol... Alves gets to do it over and over, but Ramires gets the yellow on his first tackle.

Pretty hard tackle IMO. Not your run of the mill tackle where the idiot flops for a minute.

yes- it was card worthy, especially stopping the break as the last man. But Alves and others have been hammering guys and are getting away with it without cards.

impossible for you to let go of the flopping,eh, chet. had nothing to do with that play, but you feel like it's important to bring up here.

Scooby predicted this months ago.

The flopping crap is making this thread awful to read.

Not trying to wreck the thread, and as I mentioned above, I will do my best to refrain going forward. Didn't know it was such a hot button issue.

 

[Norman Paperman]

So Alexi Lalas is the front line A team booth crew for ESPN? Is this primarily because he had a funny haircut while playing at a C-/D+ level?

Will Donovan bump him out of that role?

First US player in the Serie A. He's no Brad Davis, but he's got the minimals- plus he's not afraid to say stupid things... and often does.

Only when he opens his mouth

 

[Premier]

Quick cliff notes for Joe on the mixed feeling with Mexico that may come across in the thread.

Mexico, as our neighbor and as what was once the longtime power in our region (CONCACAF - The Confederation of North, Cenral Amercian and Caribbean Association Football) and pretty much the sole representative of any merit on the world stage for the region from basically 1934 until 1994. We were sort of the Clippers (at best) to their Lakers in the region (if the Lakers didn't actually win anything but just always made the playoffs). Anyway, as the game has grown in the USA, we've gotten on par with them and really have passed them in recent years. It's turned it into a two-way rivalry that is one of the best in the entire world.

On top of this competitive dynamic there the whole incident where we lost a game at Azteca Stadium in Mexico City and some in their crowd decided to chant us with "Osama Osama" chants. For this reason, there are many of us for whom Mexico can't lose enough games. This is where it's at for me.

The conflict comes in that the spaces in the World Cup are allotted by Confederation. (in the list below ".5" means that the last team from the Confederation has a playoff for a spot vs the last team from another conderation - Mexico defeated New Zealand in a playoff for their spot, so there are 4 CONCACAF teams - we are allotted 3.5). After every World Cup, confederations jockey for position with each other - generally trying to increase their allotment of spots (or at least not lose any). So Mexico winning helps our confederation keep more spots - giving the USA a better chance to qualify each time. But Mexico can't lose enough games for our taste. Thus a conflict.

UEFA (Europe - and because of the fun of global politics, Israel is in Europe): 13 spaces

CONMEBOL (South America) Usually it's 4.5. They got an extra one as Brazil is host and they kept the allotment the same so it's 5.5. 6 South American teams qualified (Brazil, Argentina Chile, Colombia Uruguay, Ecuador).

AFC (Asia - and because Oceania is so weak, Australia while in the real world it's own continent is a part of Asia for FIFA purposes): 4.5 (they lost the playoff so they only have 4 teams this year). Our region generally tries to fight with this confederation over allotment.

CAF (Africa) They have 5 spots. They didn't have to deal with any inter-confederation playoffs. If Africa does poorly our confederation and Asia will try to pluck at least 0.5 of one of these spots.

CONCACAF (The confederation including the US - this confederation also includes tons of tiny island countries as well as the the 3 small countries in the northern part of South America who prefer not to get routinely pummeled by their continent mates). So we get 3.5 spots as mentioned above.

OFC (Oceania - basically New Zealand and a handful of tiny islands of which Tahiti is probably the only real thread). They get 0.5 spots. New Zealand lost a playoff to Mexico so there are no teams from this confederation in the World Cup. This confederation always argues that it should get a whole spot of its own to which other confederation say "um, basically your confederation is just New Zealand". This confederation used to have Australia too - part of why they left was they felt like they had a better chance to qualify in Asia and avoiding a 2-leg playoff for a spot and also b/c you can only become so good beating American Samoa 31-0.

So there you go.

-QG

This is probably rich coming from a CONCACAF guy, but Asia seems waaaaaaay too weak for 4 spots.

 

[Celph Titled]

They also throw bags of their own (?) piss at US players. El Tri supporters are pretty much the worst people on Earth.

 

[QuizGuy66]

On top of this competitive dynamic there the whole incident where we lost a game at Azteca Stadium in Mexico City and some in their crowd decided to chant us with "Osama Osama" chants. For this reason, there are many of us for whom Mexico can't lose enough games. This is where it's at for me.

Wow. Didn't know this. No room for this. MAKE THEM PAY, FRED!

http://www.houstonpress.com/2006-06-22/culture/why-do-mexican-soccer-fans-chant-osama-osama-when-they-play-the-united-states/full/

-QG

 

[HughHoney]

Was that the best save of the WC so far?

 

[B-Deep]

Fred

lololol

if i had time i would paste a brazil jersey onto Fred Flintstone

and does hulk's jersey say hulk???

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Maybe we're just embellishing our reaction to anti-flopping comments. :meta shtick:

 

[Celph Titled]

Fred

lololol

if i had time i would paste a brazil jersey onto Fred Flintstone

and does hulk's jersey say hulk???

What else would it say?

My link.

 

[Ilov80s]

Fred

lololol

if i had time i would paste a brazil jersey onto Fred Flintstone

and does hulk's jersey say hulk???

http://www.soccershopusa.com/Images_Products/2013-11/21_hulk_brazil_home_jersey_1011-13854107965720.jpg

 

[TenTimes]

Kobe sighting

 

[JMon348]

 

[The Gator]

Fred needs to be subbed off

 

[B Maverick]

Kobe sighting

 

[QuizGuy66]

Quick cliff notes for Joe on the mixed feeling with Mexico that may come across in the thread.

Mexico, as our neighbor and as what was once the longtime power in our region (CONCACAF - The Confederation of North, Cenral Amercian and Caribbean Association Football) and pretty much the sole representative of any merit on the world stage for the region from basically 1934 until 1994. We were sort of the Clippers (at best) to their Lakers in the region (if the Lakers didn't actually win anything but just always made the playoffs). Anyway, as the game has grown in the USA, we've gotten on par with them and really have passed them in recent years. It's turned it into a two-way rivalry that is one of the best in the entire world.

On top of this competitive dynamic there the whole incident where we lost a game at Azteca Stadium in Mexico City and some in their crowd decided to chant us with "Osama Osama" chants. For this reason, there are many of us for whom Mexico can't lose enough games. This is where it's at for me.

The conflict comes in that the spaces in the World Cup are allotted by Confederation. (in the list below ".5" means that the last team from the Confederation has a playoff for a spot vs the last team from another conderation - Mexico defeated New Zealand in a playoff for their spot, so there are 4 CONCACAF teams - we are allotted 3.5). After every World Cup, confederations jockey for position with each other - generally trying to increase their allotment of spots (or at least not lose any). So Mexico winning helps our confederation keep more spots - giving the USA a better chance to qualify each time. But Mexico can't lose enough games for our taste. Thus a conflict.

UEFA (Europe - and because of the fun of global politics, Israel is in Europe): 13 spaces

CONMEBOL (South America) Usually it's 4.5. They got an extra one as Brazil is host and they kept the allotment the same so it's 5.5. 6 South American teams qualified (Brazil, Argentina Chile, Colombia Uruguay, Ecuador).

AFC (Asia - and because Oceania is so weak, Australia while in the real world it's own continent is a part of Asia for FIFA purposes): 4.5 (they lost the playoff so they only have 4 teams this year). Our region generally tries to fight with this confederation over allotment.

CAF (Africa) They have 5 spots. They didn't have to deal with any inter-confederation playoffs. If Africa does poorly our confederation and Asia will try to pluck at least 0.5 of one of these spots.

CONCACAF (The confederation including the US - this confederation also includes tons of tiny island countries as well as the the 3 small countries in the northern part of South America who prefer not to get routinely pummeled by their continent mates). So we get 3.5 spots as mentioned above.

OFC (Oceania - basically New Zealand and a handful of tiny islands of which Tahiti is probably the only real thread). They get 0.5 spots. New Zealand lost a playoff to Mexico so there are no teams from this confederation in the World Cup. This confederation always argues that it should get a whole spot of its own to which other confederation say "um, basically your confederation is just New Zealand". This confederation used to have Australia too - part of why they left was they felt like they had a better chance to qualify in Asia and avoiding a 2-leg playoff for a spot and also b/c you can only become so good beating American Samoa 31-0.

So there you go.

-QG

This is probably rich coming from a CONCACAF guy, but Asia seems waaaaaaay too weak for 4 spots.

Membership:

AFC: 47

CONCACAF: 41

CAF: 56

CONMEBOL: 10

UEFA: 54

OFC: 11 full

-QG

 

[Spartans Rule]

On top of this competitive dynamic there the whole incident where we lost a game at Azteca Stadium in Mexico City and some in their crowd decided to chant us with "Osama Osama" chants. For this reason, there are many of us for whom Mexico can't lose enough games. This is where it's at for me.

Wow. Didn't know this. No room for this. MAKE THEM PAY, FRED!

I don't know if this makes it better or worse, but they also chanted "USA! USA!" when they played Iran. They really have no shame when it comes to pissing off (or on) the opposition.

 

[ffldrew]

Scolari shouldn't be allowed to complain about any calls

 

[Norman Paperman]

This ref is horrible

 

[B-Deep]

Brazil is pretty good aren't they?

 

[El Floppo]

lol... Alves gets to do it over and over, but Ramires gets the yellow on his first tackle.

Pretty hard tackle IMO. Not your run of the mill tackle where the idiot flops for a minute.

yes- it was card worthy, especially stopping the break as the last man. But Alves and others have been hammering guys and are getting away with it without cards.

impossible for you to let go of the flopping,eh, chet. had nothing to do with that play, but you feel like it's important to bring up here.

Scooby predicted this months ago.

The flopping crap is making this thread awful to read.

I wouldn't go that far- but I just don't get the quasi-hateful need to obsess about that part of the game when so much else is going on.