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***Official 2014 World Cup Thread*** (5 Viewers)

this game is another example of horses for coures. Mexico generally is not a side that is going to lay back but against a team with the skill of Brazil they are going to do more of that - especially since a tie would be a very favorable result (setting it up where a tie against Croatia is enough to advance).

-QG

 
Steve Tasker said:
Kal El said:
Flopping is extremely annoying, in any sport, but especially so in soccer. I think someone caught flopping should get punched either in the face or the ####. Then they'd have something to flop about.
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I'm not going to get sucked into the flopping conversation, but I will say that I believe at least a decent amount of what people think are "flops" in soccer are not really flops. As a player, you are taught to disengage on contact. If I've got the ball and Jermaine Jones is trying to slide tackle me at full speed, I'm probably going to go airborne at the slightest contact....otherwise he's going right through my legs for a gruesome compound fracture. If you watch the slow-mo, it looks like there was minimal contact and that I flopped. But is that really the case? IMO, no.

That said, the embellishment is a problem. If you go down on that slide and no foul is called and you're not hurt, get up and play. It's the guys rolling around on the ground for 5 minutes screaming in fake agony that piss me off.
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Good post. I see that on both points.

J

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Joe Bryant said:
Christo said:
Captain Quinoa said:
Ilov80s said:
Only thing worse than these soccer players like Dempsey rolling around holding their face and holding the game up are these boxers that take a left hook to the chin and lay on the ground like they are dead waiting for the ref to count to 10.
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Dempsey's reasonable reaction to having his nose broken only amplifies how awful some of the theatrics are that the 'haters' complain about. You're making their point for them.
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F their point. If you don't like it, don't watch. But don't tell me that the flopping is the only thing keeping them from watching.
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FWIW, I thought Dempsey was a great answer to people who don't like the flopping.

He broke his nose, took a hard kick to the head, refused the little paramedic boat and went back in the game with gauze stuffed up his nose.

Not sure how you play any tougher than that.

For people that hate the flopping, I'd use Dempsey yesterday as an example. (Disclaimer, I've watched Dempsey play exactly 1 game but what I saw from him yesterday, he's the poster guy for anti flopping)

J
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But he did lay on the ground for a while before getting up and walking off, and I think left us playing short-handed for a few minutes. I think the anti-flopping crowd would focus on this rather than on the fact that he kept playing.
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Are people really calling what he did flopping? Dude broke his nose. Anyone who calls that flopping is an idiot.

 
Was it at Azteca or Saprissa where Donovan once coughed up something that looked like an entire uneaten brownie during warmups? Probably Azteca with the smog, right? Nothing to do with their fans but it's ####### gross.

Mexico looks dangerous here.

 
El Floppo said:
NewlyRetired said:
El Floppo said:
chet said:
El Floppo said:
lol... Alves gets to do it over and over, but Ramires gets the yellow on his first tackle.
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Pretty hard tackle IMO. Not your run of the mill tackle where the idiot flops for a minute.
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yes- it was card worthy, especially stopping the break as the last man. But Alves and others have been hammering guys and are getting away with it without cards.

impossible for you to let go of the flopping,eh, chet. had nothing to do with that play, but you feel like it's important to bring up here.
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Scooby predicted this months ago.

The flopping crap is making this thread awful to read.
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I wouldn't go that far- but I just don't get the quasi-hateful need to obsess about that part of the game when so much else is going on.
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Probably has at least a little to do with there being people actually trying to defend it. These things tend to drag on when people try and say it's ok.

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
CletiusMaximus said:
SmoovySmoov said:
Why exactly was it that Liverpool let Ochoa get away again? He's been huge in goal. Can we give Reina and Brad Jones to get him back? Please?
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He's available on a free.

Also, he has 6 fingers on his right hand.

https://twitter.com/WorldCupPosts/status/478984874653536256/photo/1
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If Mandy Patinkin ever finds him , Mexico is ####ed.
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:lmao: :lmao:

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QuizGuy66 said:
this game is another example of horses for coures. Mexico generally is not a side that is going to lay back but against a team with the skill of Brazil they are going to do more of that - especially since a tie would be a very favorable result (setting it up where a tie against Croatia is enough to advance).

-QG
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Well so much for that. They've been super aggressive lately.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
El Floppo said:
NewlyRetired said:
El Floppo said:
chet said:
El Floppo said:
lol... Alves gets to do it over and over, but Ramires gets the yellow on his first tackle.
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Pretty hard tackle IMO. Not your run of the mill tackle where the idiot flops for a minute.
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yes- it was card worthy, especially stopping the break as the last man. But Alves and others have been hammering guys and are getting away with it without cards.

impossible for you to let go of the flopping,eh, chet. had nothing to do with that play, but you feel like it's important to bring up here.
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Scooby predicted this months ago.

The flopping crap is making this thread awful to read.
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I wouldn't go that far- but I just don't get the quasi-hateful need to obsess about that part of the game when so much else is going on.
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Probably has at least a little to do with there being people actually trying to defend it. These things tend to drag on when people try and say it's ok.
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You've got all the soccer snob/fan/guys in here. Please link to where any of us try to defend flopping... TIA.

 
QuizGuy66 said:
Quick cliff notes for Joe on the mixed feeling with Mexico that may come across in the thread.

Mexico, as our neighbor and as what was once the longtime power in our region (CONCACAF - The Confederation of North, Cenral Amercian and Caribbean Association Football) and pretty much the sole representative of any merit on the world stage for the region from basically 1934 until 1994. We were sort of the Clippers (at best) to their Lakers in the region (if the Lakers didn't actually win anything but just always made the playoffs). Anyway, as the game has grown in the USA, we've gotten on par with them and really have passed them in recent years. It's turned it into a two-way rivalry that is one of the best in the entire world.

On top of this competitive dynamic there the whole incident where we lost a game at Azteca Stadium in Mexico City and some in their crowd decided to chant us with "Osama Osama" chants. For this reason, there are many of us for whom Mexico can't lose enough games. This is where it's at for me.

The conflict comes in that the spaces in the World Cup are allotted by Confederation. (in the list below ".5" means that the last team from the Confederation has a playoff for a spot vs the last team from another conderation - Mexico defeated New Zealand in a playoff for their spot, so there are 4 CONCACAF teams - we are allotted 3.5). After every World Cup, confederations jockey for position with each other - generally trying to increase their allotment of spots (or at least not lose any). So Mexico winning helps our confederation keep more spots - giving the USA a better chance to qualify each time. But Mexico can't lose enough games for our taste. Thus a conflict.

UEFA (Europe - and because of the fun of global politics, Israel is in Europe): 13 spaces

CONMEBOL (South America) Usually it's 4.5. They got an extra one as Brazil is host and they kept the allotment the same so it's 5.5. 6 South American teams qualified (Brazil, Argentina Chile, Colombia Uruguay, Ecuador).

AFC (Asia - and because Oceania is so weak, Australia while in the real world it's own continent is a part of Asia for FIFA purposes): 4.5 (they lost the playoff so they only have 4 teams this year). Our region generally tries to fight with this confederation over allotment.

CAF (Africa) They have 5 spots. They didn't have to deal with any inter-confederation playoffs. If Africa does poorly our confederation and Asia will try to pluck at least 0.5 of one of these spots.

CONCACAF (The confederation including the US - this confederation also includes tons of tiny island countries as well as the the 3 small countries in the northern part of South America who prefer not to get routinely pummeled by their continent mates). So we get 3.5 spots as mentioned above.

OFC (Oceania - basically New Zealand and a handful of tiny islands of which Tahiti is probably the only real thread). They get 0.5 spots. New Zealand lost a playoff to Mexico so there are no teams from this confederation in the World Cup. This confederation always argues that it should get a whole spot of its own to which other confederation say "um, basically your confederation is just New Zealand". This confederation used to have Australia too - part of why they left was they felt like they had a better chance to qualify in Asia and avoiding a 2-leg playoff for a spot and also b/c you can only become so good beating American Samoa 31-0.

So there you go.

-QG
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Thanks.

J

 
So are Brazil still the favorites to win this thing? They haven't looked very dominant in either of their games so far, getting a lucky call on the first one and holding on a bit here in the 2nd half of this one.

 
Steve Tasker said:
Was it at Azteca or Saprissa where Donovan once coughed up something that looked like an entire uneaten brownie during warmups? Probably Azteca with the smog, right? Nothing to do with their fans but it's ####### gross.

Mexico looks dangerous here.
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Mexico is dangerous everywhere. F'n cartels. :hot:

 
FreeBaGeL said:
So are Brazil still the favorites to win this thing? They haven't looked very dominant in either of their games so far, getting a lucky call on the first one and holding on a bit here in the 2nd half of this one.
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Yes.

To be fair, of the four favorites, only Germany has really impressed so far.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
QuizGuy66 said:
this game is another example of horses for coures. Mexico generally is not a side that is going to lay back but against a team with the skill of Brazil they are going to do more of that - especially since a tie would be a very favorable result (setting it up where a tie against Croatia is enough to advance).

-QG
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Well so much for that. They've been super aggressive lately.
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Yes I kinda Francesa'd that one :) As soon as I posted it they've really taken over the play ;)

Getting a little nervy for Brazil.

-QG

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Skysports reporting that Coentrao has been ruled out for the remainder of the world cup.
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I know that makes things "easier" for the US... but damn, I hate hearing about injuries pre and during the world cup. These guys spend their entire lives trying to get here- so sad to see them have to miss out once they are.

 
QuizGuy66 said:
FreeBaGeL said:
QuizGuy66 said:
this game is another example of horses for coures. Mexico generally is not a side that is going to lay back but against a team with the skill of Brazil they are going to do more of that - especially since a tie would be a very favorable result (setting it up where a tie against Croatia is enough to advance).

-QG
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Well so much for that. They've been super aggressive lately.
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Yes I kinda Francesa'd that one :) As soon as I posted it they've really taken over the play ;)

Getting a little nervy for Brazil.

-QG
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Brazil seems to be on the front foot now.

 
chet said:
QuizGuy66 said:
FreeBaGeL said:
QuizGuy66 said:
this game is another example of horses for coures. Mexico generally is not a side that is going to lay back but against a team with the skill of Brazil they are going to do more of that - especially since a tie would be a very favorable result (setting it up where a tie against Croatia is enough to advance).

-QG
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Well so much for that. They've been super aggressive lately.
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Yes I kinda Francesa'd that one :) As soon as I posted it they've really taken over the play ;)

Getting a little nervy for Brazil.

-QG
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Brazil seems to be on the front foot now.
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Of course, cuz I just posted THAT post ;)

-QG

 
El Floppo said:
CletiusMaximus said:
Skysports reporting that Coentrao has been ruled out for the remainder of the world cup.
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I know that makes things "easier" for the US... but damn, I hate hearing about injuries pre and during the world cup. These guys spend their entire lives trying to get here- so sad to see them have to miss out once they are.
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How important is the World Cup to the players compared to their club play? If a guy played in the EPL and he could have either an EPL championship or a WC championship in his lifetime, which would he take?

 
FreeBaGeL said:
El Floppo said:
CletiusMaximus said:
Skysports reporting that Coentrao has been ruled out for the remainder of the world cup.
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I know that makes things "easier" for the US... but damn, I hate hearing about injuries pre and during the world cup. These guys spend their entire lives trying to get here- so sad to see them have to miss out once they are.
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How important is the World Cup to the players compared to their club play? If a guy played in the EPL and he could have either an EPL championship or a WC championship in his lifetime, which would he take?
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World Cup

 
FreeBaGeL said:
El Floppo said:
CletiusMaximus said:
Skysports reporting that Coentrao has been ruled out for the remainder of the world cup.
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I know that makes things "easier" for the US... but damn, I hate hearing about injuries pre and during the world cup. These guys spend their entire lives trying to get here- so sad to see them have to miss out once they are.
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How important is the World Cup to the players compared to their club play? If a guy played in the EPL and he could have either an EPL championship or a WC championship in his lifetime, which would he take?
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I think most would choose the WC.

 
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