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Yes, it was.
"We suspect he could fetch a second-round pick"
In this draft, yes, I think I would be OK with that. He is 32, and I dont think we will realistically contend for a title in the next 2 years, so while I would hate to trade away a great player for an unknown, his window is probably not going to work with the team's window. This draft is so deep, that 31 seems like the equivalent of around 20 in most recent drafts.
EZ signing IMO. Best CB they have had since...Sam Madison/Patrick Surtain in their prime? Troy Vincent?
Right on. I'd like to have Patterson back, but at about half of what we are paying him. Maybe with incentives. Good player...just doesnt play much.
My question exactly. Starks hates this organization and wants out so I was hoping Soliai would re-sign.Miami got him on a 2yr $12M deal last time.
Think they have to be a player in the premiere LT market. Probably will have to overpay. Monroe, Veldheer, Albert, Collins...in that order IMO. Get one, then we have a bit more luxury to take BPA at 19, then refocus on OL in 2nd, 3rd, 4th.
Yeah, the bold has been the biggest issue.
Definitely would rather grab a day two RB than pay tons of cash for any RB on the market this year, even Tate because as good as he looks he can't seem to stay healthy. Maybe I'm delusional but Miller started running harder and lowering his shoulder more towards the end of the year as opposed to getting pancaked at first contact like he was in the first couple games. Give him another crack at it with a real O line and see what he could do.
Good post. I agree with your concept, however, we are way under a cap that is going to rise quite a bit over the next 3 years. We have money to spend. What seems like overspending today may look like a bargain in 2 years. Maybe one with the cap going up. If we are going to overspend somewhere, which seems inevitable since the money is there to spend, the place to overspend is at LT in my opinion. I havent studied the cap that closely, but I read we are in top 5 for under the cap this season. We may be able to get Monroe, Veldheer, or Albert, and still have money to make competitive offers on some (all?) of the guys you mentioned.
I appreciate what you are saying Chuck but I don't want guys pushing 30 and giving them big contracts. Look where we are at with Cameron Wake right now. Guys in their 30s making big bucks usually don't make for a good base to build on. I want to go young and long term. I'll be interested in your take on my GM moves collectively. I want to break the bank for a guy in his prime, not a guy who will be slowly getting worse as the seasons roll on.
Monroe and Veldheer are both 26. They are in their prime, and would be an anchor at LT for 4-8 years if we can keep them that long. Veldheer is less proven, but those who evaluate seem to like him. I cant say that have ever broken down film or even so much as studied technique on either myself. Just going off what I have read from people I trust.
Monroe is not worth $10M my friend. maybe he won't fetch that much but for a team that has to fill up 4 spots and perhaps 5 depending on what Goodell wants to do, I wouldn't lock up that kind of money. Veldheer IMO will reach an agreement with a liquid rich Raiders team that can easily sign him and have plenty of money left...they are somewhere around $65M under the cap, senseless to not lock up a LT that would be scooped up quickly in FA.
I was thinking one of the OG spots but also could work at RT. I like his versatility, agree he is not "special" and that's why I was hoping something like 4yr/$20M, that's a big jump from $3M a season, I don't see him fetching more than that when you have a list of 4-5 guys after Albert and Monroe that are hanging out there as potential FA signings depending on what teams do with them this weekend.
I think the versatility is a good idea for Miami right now. They need several starters this offseason. Having someone who can slot in multiple places will keep them from reaching in the draft on certain positions.
I like most of this here, good work.
Disagree with the bolded, based on what I have read (not what I have seen myself). From what I have read he graded out as the number 7 LT in the NFL, and Baltimore most definitely does want to keep him, but does not have the luxury of tons of cap space. They pay a QB $20M per year. We pay our starter around $1M per year (guessing). That gives us a bit more room to play with right off the bat.Monroe is not worth $10M my friend. maybe he won't fetch that much but for a team that has to fill up 4 spots and perhaps 5 depending on what Goodell wants to do, I wouldn't lock up that kind of money. Veldheer IMO will reach an agreement with a liquid rich Raiders team that can easily sign him and have plenty of money left...they are somewhere around $65M under the cap, senseless to not lock up a LT that would be scooped up quickly in FA.
Here is another angle on this. Miami has a lot of money to spend, let some of the other teams blow their wads on 1 guy and then sort of like an auction league, Miami can come in and sign some guys for less simply because the market allows it. I want Miami to be strong from the inside out and that starts at LG/C/RG, Miami must open holes and take some pressure off Tannehill. I'm not enamored with Monroe, he did subpar work in Baltimore last year. The Ravens certainly didn't want him, why should we jump to give him a big contract?
To me the worst situation is we spend $10M+ on a LT when we need to fill almost all 5 positions. I like the idea of getting a solid rookie that can come right in and compete for the LT spot. But that's probably what Miami will do(spend $10M on a LT) so you'll be a happy guy Chuck
And Verner...this is a passing league you get an opp to have another tandem like Madison/Surtain, by God you better do it. Imagine teams having to pick which side to throw the ball. I would bet teams will be forced to go into the slots and that's actually where Wheeler would be better helping cover guys out of the back field and double teaming slot guys. You don't need double teams when you have Grimes and Verner, that would free up Rashad Jones to help in run support. Miami defense would be a potential top 5 in pass defense. And turnovers make short fields for Tannehill to cash in. I would break the piggy bank and build a fearsome duo at the corners but that's me. What you call a luxury I see as a necessity in the modern NFL. And it blends nicely with a pretty strong pass rush where we could blitz a lot more and leave both of those guys on a island with no hesitation...think about it.
Like I said though, Miami never does it right so they'll go spend big dollars on a LT and probably keep Patterson who I would cut. They'll bring back Nolan Carroll or try and have Taylor/Davis compete. Now if Jamar Taylor turns into the goods that's fine but he seems a little injury prone at the moment.
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Grimes is 30, Verner is 25 and he might not cost $10M, he said openly he doesn't need that much so perhaps $8M would do. Imagine 2 stud CBs with Jordan and Wake flying off the edges. Teams would have to try and run up the middle on us and with 2 CBs who can play man to man, Jones can come up and help with the run support making our defense IMO a force to be reckoned with. I'm trying to think outside the box. What Miami has been doing is not working. But OK, let's say Taylor comes on his 2nd year, that's a big gamble and even if you went and got Verner, when has a team not needed a quality 3rd DB to play the slot guys? I think folks are not thinking this through.
Overpriced is an opinion. Market value is set by the market. If a top 10 LT is going to get $10M per year, then that is what teams who want a top 10 LT are going to pay. With the cap steadily going up, $10M for a top 10 LT will likely look like a major value in 2 years. LT may be the 2nd most important position on the team...protecting the most important player on the team from the nastiest guys the opponents have to throw at you for 16 weeks and maybe more.
So Miami has Albert as priority #1, what a dumb move. Lock up $12M a year for a guy who will be in 30s very soon, dumb dumb dumb. I'm sorry but I wholeheartedly disagree with that move and Albert wants to come here to Miami. Heck he lives here when the season is over, Miami would be better off to not act interested and see what's the lowest he would sign for.
Welcome to disagree, and can argue that an elite pass rusher or elite CB is more valuable...however 3 of the first 4 picks in last year's draft were spent on LTs, and it easily could have been all of the top 3 picks had one team not thought that Jonathan Martin was the answer. NFL GMs seem to value the position pretty highly. I would say higher than any position other than the one that they are drafted to protect.Ministry of Pain said:
