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OFFICIAL Norv OWNS Dungy Thread (1 Viewer)

Which one is going into the Hall of Fame?
Neither.
You honestly believe Tony Dungy who tonight was announced as the only Head Coach to ever take his team to the playoffs 10 years in a row, who has won a Super Bowl and coached in 3 Conference Championships, who turned the Bucs around form the laughing stock of the NFL into champions, to be the first African American Head Coach to win a Super Bowl, who has 139 regular season wins in only 13 seasons or almost 11 wins a year in the NFL which is unheard of, who has coached 12 wins or more 6 seasons in a row and counting, you really think he isn't a shoe in for the Hall of Fame 1st ballot?Do we even add in what a nice guy he is and the media loves him?
 
Mr Capicollo said:
I think you're forgetting a certain divisional playoff game 9 years ago when you make a claim like this . . . :clap:
I think the OP just started watching football last year because he claims a guy with several conference championship apperances and a Super Bowl ring is a "horrible playoff coach."
 
Which one is going into the Hall of Fame?
Neither.
You honestly believe Tony Dungy who tonight was announced as the only Head Coach to ever take his team to the playoffs 10 years in a row, who has won a Super Bowl and coached in 3 Conference Championships, who turned the Bucs around form the laughing stock of the NFL into champions, to be the first African American Head Coach to win a Super Bowl, who has 139 regular season wins in only 13 seasons or almost 11 wins a year in the NFL which is unheard of, who has coached 12 wins or more 6 seasons in a row and counting, you really think he isn't a shoe in for the Hall of Fame 1st ballot?Do we even add in what a nice guy he is and the media loves him?
But where would he be without Peyton Manning?You are right he is a future hall of famer but honestly he is a very average coach IMO. I don't think Dungy ever wins anything with Philip Rivers as his QB.

Dungy's plays it too close to the vest. Their is nothing innovative about Indy besides their no huddle offense which is purely a concession to Manning's strengths and was in place before he got there. You never see tricks plays or gutsy calls from Indy in big games.

In typical Dungy fashion the Colts do an unexpected onside kick in the first half of a meaningless game in Week 17 but do nothing of the sort in the playoff game. They should have kept that play for this game instead of using it in week 17 just to give SD something to look at on tape. But Dungy would never make a big call like that in a big game. It's not his style. Everything about Dungy is Vanilla.

 
Mr Capicollo said:
I think you're forgetting a certain divisional playoff game 9 years ago when you make a claim like this . . . :clap:
I think the OP just started watching football last year because he claims a guy with several conference championship apperances and a Super Bowl ring is a "horrible playoff coach."
His alltime playoff record is 9-10 with one of the best QB's ever. That's not horrible but it's very average.
 
Mr Capicollo said:
I think you're forgetting a certain divisional playoff game 9 years ago when you make a claim like this . . . :clap:
I think the OP just started watching football last year because he claims a guy with several conference championship apperances and a Super Bowl ring is a "horrible playoff coach."
His alltime playoff record is 9-10 with one of the best QB's ever. That's not horrible but it's very average.
He was 4 minutes away from a Super Bowl with Shaun King as his QB. Colts had no running game this year and lost to the eventual Super Bowl Champions four times IIRC. I'm not saying he's great either but calling him "horrible" as the OP did on page 11 of the game thread is idiotic. I guess Bill Cowher, Paul Brown, and Bud Grant were all "horrible" playoff coaches also.
 
I guess Bill Cowher, Paul Brown, and Bud Grant were all "horrible" playoff coaches also.
Cowher has a 12-9 playoff record with the likes as Kordell Stewart and Neil ODonnell as his Qb's for most of the years.The one year the Colts won the Super Bowl saved Dungy's rep. Other than that his playoff teams have been big disappointments.
 
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I guess Bill Cowher, Paul Brown, and Bud Grant were all "horrible" playoff coaches also.
Cowher has a 12-9 playoff record with the likes as Kordell Stewart and Neil ODonnell as his Qb's for most of the years.The one year the Colts won the Super Bowl saved Dungy's rep. Other than that his playoff teams have been big disappointments.
Ok thanks for that straw man argument.
 
I guess Bill Cowher, Paul Brown, and Bud Grant were all "horrible" playoff coaches also.
Cowher has a 12-9 playoff record with the likes as Kordell Stewart and Neil ODonnell as his Qb's for most of the years.The one year the Colts won the Super Bowl saved Dungy's rep. Other than that his playoff teams have been big disappointments.
Ok thanks for that straw man argument.
Straw man argument? Please!!!!Yes he won one Super Bowl and deserves credit for that...............but..................Since 2003, Excluding the Super Bowl year of 2006, the Colts have a regular season record of 63-19 and a postseason record of 3-5. Those are the facts.
 
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I guess Bill Cowher, Paul Brown, and Bud Grant were all "horrible" playoff coaches also.
Cowher has a 12-9 playoff record with the likes as Kordell Stewart and Neil ODonnell as his Qb's for most of the years.The one year the Colts won the Super Bowl saved Dungy's rep. Other than that his playoff teams have been big disappointments.
Ok thanks for that straw man argument.
Straw man argument? Please!!!!Yes he won one Super Bowl and deserves credit for that...............but..................Since 2003, Excluding the Super Bowl year of 2006, the Colts have a regular season record of 63-19 and a postseason record of 3-5. Those are the facts.
What you are excluding however is that three of those Colts teams lost to the eventual Super Bowl Champions, twice they lost at New England. And regular season record doesn't mean much when you are playing New England at New England in January or one of the best offensive teams in NFL history at St Louis. Those games are not games you expect to win, no matter who you are. 1997 beat Lions lost @ GB with Trent Dilfer1999 beat Norv Turner's Redskins lost @ Rams in NFC Championship with Shaun King 11-6 (Rams SB Champs)2000/2001 lost @ Eagles with Shaun King and Brad Johnson2002 lost @ NYJ 2003 beat Broncos and Chiefs lost @ Patriots (SB Champs)2004 Beat Broncos; lost @ Patriots with 29th ranked defense (Pats Sb Champs)2005 lost vs Steelers (Bob Sanders, go to the sideline!) Steelers won SB2007 lost vs Chargers2008 lost @ ChargersI see one bad loss in there, last year vs the Chargers who almost beat the undefeated Patriots in New England the next week. All the other losses were road losses except for the one in 2005 at home vs Pittsburgh which is a game they would have won if not for a Roethlisberger tackle. Those early Colts teams had no rush defense and this year they had no running game and a meh defense. How many times were those teams that lost favored? His last three losses? The only bad losses on that list is the game last year, and maybe the Steelers game but again...they won the Super Bowl. He's not Bill Belichick but he's not Marty Schottenheimer either.
 
I guess Bill Cowher, Paul Brown, and Bud Grant were all "horrible" playoff coaches also.
Cowher has a 12-9 playoff record with the likes as Kordell Stewart and Neil ODonnell as his Qb's for most of the years.The one year the Colts won the Super Bowl saved Dungy's rep. Other than that his playoff teams have been big disappointments.
Ok thanks for that straw man argument.
Straw man argument? Please!!!!Yes he won one Super Bowl and deserves credit for that...............but..................Since 2003, Excluding the Super Bowl year of 2006, the Colts have a regular season record of 63-19 and a postseason record of 3-5. Those are the facts.
What you are excluding however is that three of those Colts teams lost to the eventual Super Bowl Champions, twice they lost at New England. And regular season record doesn't mean much when you are playing New England at New England in January or one of the best offensive teams in NFL history at St Louis. Those games are not games you expect to win, no matter who you are. 1997 beat Lions lost @ GB with Trent Dilfer1999 beat Norv Turner's Redskins lost @ Rams in NFC Championship with Shaun King 11-6 (Rams SB Champs)2000/2001 lost @ Eagles with Shaun King and Brad Johnson2002 lost @ NYJ 2003 beat Broncos and Chiefs lost @ Patriots (SB Champs)2004 Beat Broncos; lost @ Patriots with 29th ranked defense (Pats Sb Champs)2005 lost vs Steelers (Bob Sanders, go to the sideline!) Steelers won SB2007 lost vs Chargers2008 lost @ ChargersI see one bad loss in there, last year vs the Chargers who almost beat the undefeated Patriots in New England the next week. All the other losses were road losses except for the one in 2005 at home vs Pittsburgh which is a game they would have won if not for a Roethlisberger tackle. Those early Colts teams had no rush defense and this year they had no running game and a meh defense. How many times were those teams that lost favored? His last three losses? The only bad losses on that list is the game last year, and maybe the Steelers game but again...they won the Super Bowl. He's not Bill Belichick but he's not Marty Schottenheimer either.
I never said he's a bad coach. But he is pretty average. BTW, I certainly don't think he was outcoached tonight. I mean seriously how does Vincent Jackson go the whole game without being thrown too?The special teams coach should be fired immediately though.
 
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Mr Capicollo said:
I think you're forgetting a certain divisional playoff game 9 years ago when you make a claim like this . . . :thumbup:
I think the OP just started watching football last year because he claims a guy with several conference championship apperances and a Super Bowl ring is a "horrible playoff coach."
His alltime playoff record is 9-10 with one of the best QB's ever. That's not horrible but it's very average.
His all-time playoff record includes QBs like Trent Dilfer and Shaun King as well.Edit: As shown above. I'm not sure why Dungy struggles to get the credit he deserves. Is there something about his "nice guy" demeanor that annoys people?
 
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I guess Bill Cowher, Paul Brown, and Bud Grant were all "horrible" playoff coaches also.
Cowher has a 12-9 playoff record with the likes as Kordell Stewart and Neil ODonnell as his Qb's for most of the years.The one year the Colts won the Super Bowl saved Dungy's rep. Other than that his playoff teams have been big disappointments.
Ok thanks for that straw man argument.
Straw man argument? Please!!!!Yes he won one Super Bowl and deserves credit for that...............but..................Since 2003, Excluding the Super Bowl year of 2006, the Colts have a regular season record of 63-19 and a postseason record of 3-5. Those are the facts.
What you are excluding however is that three of those Colts teams lost to the eventual Super Bowl Champions, twice they lost at New England. And regular season record doesn't mean much when you are playing New England at New England in January or one of the best offensive teams in NFL history at St Louis. Those games are not games you expect to win, no matter who you are. 1997 beat Lions lost @ GB with Trent Dilfer1999 beat Norv Turner's Redskins lost @ Rams in NFC Championship with Shaun King 11-6 (Rams SB Champs)2000/2001 lost @ Eagles with Shaun King and Brad Johnson2002 lost @ NYJ 2003 beat Broncos and Chiefs lost @ Patriots (SB Champs)2004 Beat Broncos; lost @ Patriots with 29th ranked defense (Pats Sb Champs)2005 lost vs Steelers (Bob Sanders, go to the sideline!) Steelers won SB2007 lost vs Chargers2008 lost @ ChargersI see one bad loss in there, last year vs the Chargers who almost beat the undefeated Patriots in New England the next week. All the other losses were road losses except for the one in 2005 at home vs Pittsburgh which is a game they would have won if not for a Roethlisberger tackle. Those early Colts teams had no rush defense and this year they had no running game and a meh defense. How many times were those teams that lost favored? His last three losses? The only bad losses on that list is the game last year, and maybe the Steelers game but again...they won the Super Bowl. He's not Bill Belichick but he's not Marty Schottenheimer either.
I never said he's a bad coach. But he is pretty average. BTW, I certainly don't think he was outcoached tonight. I mean seriously how does Vincent Jackson go the whole game without being thrown too?The special teams coach should be fired immediately though.
I'm not a Colts or Dungy fan, just passing the time and really just trying to prove the idiocy of the statement that he is "horrible." Yeah I don't know how Jackson didn't get a throw all night, pretty weird. Then again Sproles was like a three headed monster out there. Jesus he was good tonight and I've watched that guy burn my team before (when he was at K-State).
 
Mr Capicollo said:
I think you're forgetting a certain divisional playoff game 9 years ago when you make a claim like this . . . :thumbup:
I think the OP just started watching football last year because he claims a guy with several conference championship apperances and a Super Bowl ring is a "horrible playoff coach."
His alltime playoff record is 9-10 with one of the best QB's ever. That's not horrible but it's very average.
His all-time playoff record includes QBs like Trent Dilfer and Shaun King as well.
But mostly Peyton. He has a 7-6 playoff record in Indy.
 
But where would he be without Peyton Manning?
What kind of question is that? If you look at the career of any great coach, he had great players. To discredit Dungy by saying something like that is basically suggesting that he would be nothing without Manning, which is absurd. Are you forgetting how he completely changed the culture in Tampa Bay? He turned a perennial loser into a perennial playoff team, and even once got to the NFC title game with Shaun freaking King at QB? But oh wait, he is only a winning coach because he lucked into having Peyton Manning as his QB, right? :rolleyes:
The one year the Colts won the Super Bowl saved Dungy's rep. Other than that his playoff teams have been big disappointments.
I like how you refer to that Super Bowl run as if it was no big deal. Yeah, a team going on a 4-game run to win the Super Bowl was nothing at all. I guess John Elway is still a loser if you take away his last two seasons, eh?
 
Mr Capicollo said:
I think you're forgetting a certain divisional playoff game 9 years ago when you make a claim like this . . . :mellow:
I think the OP just started watching football last year because he claims a guy with several conference championship apperances and a Super Bowl ring is a "horrible playoff coach."
To clarify docI was being sarcastic with that comment in the other thread b/c of all the arguing about these coaches in the week. I've watched football 30+years thanks. However Dungy is an avg playoff coach as his record shows
 
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I like how you refer to that Super Bowl run as if it was no big deal. Yeah, a team going on a 4-game run to win the Super Bowl was nothing at all. I guess John Elway is still a loser if you take away his last two seasons, eh?
Dungy is an average(at best) playoff coach. My point is besides the Super Bowl he has had very, very little success in the postseason despite great regular season success.Dungy always plays it safe. He is a very conservative coach who rarely if ever throws in any wrinkles in the playoffs. They basically play the exact same way in the postseason as they do in the regular season.

If you compare a guy like Dungy and Cowher remember all the unconventional plays Cowher's teams would call in the playoffs(usually with great success). Dungy's teams are always predictable in the playoffs

 

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