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***Official "Space Blanket" for Better Call Saul*** (3 Viewers)

Jimmy can more or less have his brother committed at any time.  The Doctor that just treated Chuck would be anxious to help.  Jimmy can easily say, if the recording comes to light, that he was worried about Chuck's sanity and he was willing to confirm his (Chuck's) fantasy life in that moment because he felt the need to calm and reassure Chuck regardless of the truth.

I thought Mike might take the double headshot, killing Nacho but only wounding Hector, but leading to Hectors later condition due to the injury and the distance to medical help.

I like that Mike has a stable of old ####ty cars for when he intends to commit a crime.

If I am Hamlin I do not care what happens next, I want Chuck out as a partner.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
Jimmy can more or less have his brother committed at any time.  The Doctor that just treated Chuck would be anxious to help.  Jimmy can easily say, if the recording comes to light, that he was worried about Chuck's sanity and he was willing to confirm his (Chuck's) fantasy life in that moment because he felt the need to calm and reassure Chuck regardless of the truth.
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Agreed. Jimmy said it was "exactly as you said, Chuck", so would definitely be a solid defense.

 
Also, re: the Mike sniper scene. He acknowledged when the cicadas stopped singing. He knew there was someone nearby. No way he just continues to lay there at that point. Half measure, IMO.

And I doubt Gus himself is out stalking people in the desert. 

 
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Nathan R. Jessep said:
Also, re: the Mike sniper scene. He acknowledged when the cicadas stopped singing. He knew there was someone nearby. No way he just continues to lay there at that point. Half measure, IMO.

And I doubt Gus himself is out stalking people in the dessert. 
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True that Gus usually, but not always, worked through others.  Still, if working through others the order was from Gus.  Mike is going to get his first taste of Pollos Hermanos very shortly.

 
Nathan R. Jessep said:
Agreed. Jimmy said it was "exactly as you said, Chuck", so would definitely be a solid defense.
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This was my thought, as well...

his nonchalance over committing a felony could also be seen as him not being truly serious.

However, he did share the specifics about the address, which is detail that could lend credence to the confession.

 
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I think Chuck uses the tape to get Jimmy to change his name and not smear the family name through shady law practice. We kinda already know Jimmy doesn't get disbarred. 

 
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Bob Magaw said:
SPOILER 

In CA tape recording without consent is a felony (there a was a trial a while ago in which a famous Hollywood/Beverly Hills PI/fixer for the stars was convicted and sentenced to several years in prison. Not sure, but doubt any evidence obtained illegally like that would be admissible in court. But no idea about New Mexico law, now or then? 

* That was so predictable Chuck had a tape recorder, hard to believe a sharpie like Jimmy would fall for it.    
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BCS takes place in Albuquerque.

 
Walking Boot said:
Also an issue is authentication, there's no witness to prove that it was really Jimmy saying those things on tape and not some actor Chuck hired to read a script. 
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I can't see winning that argument. You could argue that goes to weight of the evidence (and look pretty silly), but foundation could be laid through chuck. 

Regarding taping, I believe New Mexico is the same as Arizona where only one person in the conversation needs to consent to the taping. 

 
I hate the "reply" function on the new board. 

Anyway....

The key to the whole thing is going to be the copy guy.  He's the only one that can corroborate Chucks story.

And....I like Michael McKean and he's been very good on the show, but come on guys, this isn't "Better Call Chuck".  There's a trend on the show lately to spotlight Chuck at the expense of Saul or Mike time.  Chuck hasn't registered full-on 'Skyler' type annoying yet, but he's into 'Marie' (Hank's wife) territory for sure.

This show has a limited shelf life.  For various reasons, we all know it won't go on for 20 years.  I prefer my Saul and Mike time not be interrupted by 'Lets get Mike an Emmy'

 
Godsbrother said:
Even if it was admissible and they proved it was authentic Jimmy could claim that he said it just to help his obviously mentally-ill brother.  I think that tape is recording is very shaky evidence.
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Yeah I can't see a prosecutor opting to proceed with charges (although I've seen prosecutors move forward on less). Plus we essentially know they don't because I'm pretty sure a felony conviction that's also a crime of moral terpitude (dishonesty) would get him disbarred.

It certainly gives Chuck some leverage though. Probably gets him back into good standing at HHM, could prompt the name change, and may even convince Mesa verde to sign back over. 

 
Statorama said:
The key to the whole thing is going to be the copy guy.  He's the only one that can corroborate Chucks story.
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Yes Chuck could go back and play the tape to the copy guy and intimidate him into a sworn deposition that Jimmy was there making copies.  Between that and the tape of Jimmy confessing it might be enough evidence.   But as Zow has already mentioned we know that Jimmy doesn't get disbarred.   

 
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Did the episode start a couple minutes early? DVR picked up seemingly in the middle (where the nurse said she had a DNR order) of the scene where Mrs. McGill was on her death bed. What did I miss there? Anything?

 
Nathan R. Jessep said:
Did the episode start a couple minutes early? DVR picked up seemingly in the middle (where the nurse said she had a DNR order) of the scene where Mrs. McGill was on her death bed. What did I miss there? Anything?
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I'm pretty sure you didn't miss anything. I thought the same thing as I was also watching via DVR. I think the scene just began that way.???

 
It feels like there should be a couple more episodes left this season. It certainly didn't feel like a finale. They spent like 70% of the episode at the damn hospital with crazy ### Chuck. We get it, he doesn't like electricity. 

 
What a disappointment.

Season 2: B-

Season Finale: D+

These grades would be lower if this wasn't a Gilligan prequel to one of the best shows in television history. He earned a lot of leeway coming in to BCS but that is wearing out fast.

Season 2 of Bosch (Amazon) and The Night Manager (AMC premier tonight) were both more entertaining than this season of BCS.

Gilligan better get his #### together next season.

 
Hang 10 said:
It feels like there should be a couple more episodes left this season. It certainly didn't feel like a finale. They spent like 70% of the episode at the damn hospital with crazy ### Chuck. We get it, he doesn't like electricity. 
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I was hoping the knock to the head he received at the copy shop was going to cure this phobia that he has...but no. 

Show is awesome and has so many angles they can go, but the electrical phobia could go away and the series would still be great.

 
Johnny Bing said:
I was hoping the knock to the head he received at the copy shop was going to cure this phobia that he has...but no. 

Show is awesome and has so many angles they can go, but the electrical phobia could go away and the series would still be great.
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I was hoping he'd be dead.  :(

But yeah, sometimes it feels like they're just padding out the time of the episode to show scenes of people taking off their watches. We see them putting their mobile phones away, etc.  

At this point, can't we just know that they did all that and just start the scene?

 
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Hang 10 said:
The nightly rating was a .8. Look how far down the list that is. It gets beat by Deadliest Catch and Fixer Upper. I didn't realize Deadliest Catch was still on. 
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not surprising, given that Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are leading in the nominations for president..  we are a dumb dumb nation

 
Hang 10 said:
The nightly rating was a .8. Look how far down the list that is. It gets beat by Deadliest Catch and Fixer Upper. I didn't realize Deadliest Catch was still on. 
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Try column 2. That measures all viewers over the week. 

 
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Hang 10 said:
The point was the ratings are lower than they were at the beginning of the season and they've fallen week to week. Your link didn't dispute. 
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Almost every tv show ratings peaks at the first 2/3 episodes, then dips, then peaks again at the finale. 

It's an extremely well-reviewed show, has high cable series ratings and already renewed for season 3. :shrug:

 
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Capella said:
Almost every tv show ratings peaks at the first 2/3 episodes, then dips, then peaks again at the finale. 

It's an extremely well-reviewed show, has high cable series ratings and already renewed for season 3. :shrug:
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It's boring as #### and this year's premiere was down from last year. What would you be willing to wager that seasons 3 premiere will be lower than season 2? 

 
Agree with those that said the Chuck story line is getting stale.  I was actually hoping he would die when he hit his head.  Didn't season 1 end with Chuck in the hospital?  And then they repeated it in season 2?  It is just a tired and worn out story line. 

The rest is pretty good however.  (Note:  I put this last comment in so that Cappy doesn't  jump all over this post like he is doing with everyone who is critical of the show.  Note 2:  not everyone has to love the show as much as you do, Cap.)

 
Godsbrother said:
Even if it was admissible and they proved it was authentic Jimmy could claim that he said it just to help his obviously mentally-ill brother.  I think that tape is recording is very shaky evidence.
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We know that Jimmy keeps his license, so what I think happens is that Chuck gives it to Mesa Verde.  His girlfriends leaves him and their shared office and Jimmy devolves into Saul Goodman.

 
I am very satisfied with the pacing of the show.  The details, the motivations, they appeal to me.  That others do not share my view does not lessen my enjoyment, unless it drives the ratings so low that the show gets canceled.

I love that Jimmy just can't resist the urge to do things the wrong way, even when the right way would be less hassle.    I understand maybe you have to run a con to get close to a B-29 to shoot a commercial, O.K., maybe, but you do not need to run a con to get Jimmy standing in front of a flag waiving in the sunshine and breeze.

 
Nathan R. Jessep said:
Did the episode start a couple minutes early? DVR picked up seemingly in the middle (where the nurse said she had a DNR order) of the scene where Mrs. McGill was on her death bed. What did I miss there? Anything?
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My DVR cut that whole scene off and I didn't see it until after Talking Saul and the episode aired again. 

You just missed Jimmy and Chuck sitting there and Jimmy wanted to know if Chuck was hungry.  Basically as soon as Jimmy left to get food his mom woke up and asked for Jimmy 2 times before passing.  When Jimmy came back and asked if she said anything Chuck shook his head no.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
My DVR cut that whole scene off and I didn't see it until after Talking Saul and the episode aired again. 

You just missed Jimmy and Chuck sitting there and Jimmy wanted to know if Chuck was hungry.  Basically as soon as Jimmy left to get food his mom woke up and asked for Jimmy 2 times before passing.  When Jimmy came back and asked if she said anything Chuck shook his head no.
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I was guessing it was something along those lines. Something vile that Chuck did to his brother, to make the viewer feel like Jimmy was justified in his sabotage actions. 

Thanks.

 
Joe T said:
Agree with those that said the Chuck story line is getting stale.  I was actually hoping he would die when he hit his head.  Didn't season 1 end with Chuck in the hospital?  And then they repeated it in season 2?  It is just a tired and worn out story line. 

The rest is pretty good however.  (Note:  I put this last comment in so that Cappy doesn't  jump all over this post like he is doing with everyone who is critical of the show.  Note 2:  not everyone has to love the show as much as you do, Cap.)
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I don't care what you like or don't like. I also think they should've wrapped up the Chuck storyline as it is dragging. But the ratings aren't tanking like what was said or implied. I don't think responding to that implies some kind of jumping on people shtick like you want to race to. I mean, it is a message board. People reply to things. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
My DVR cut that whole scene off and I didn't see it until after Talking Saul and the episode aired again. 

You just missed Jimmy and Chuck sitting there and Jimmy wanted to know if Chuck was hungry.  Basically as soon as Jimmy left to get food his mom woke up and asked for Jimmy 2 times before passing.  When Jimmy came back and asked if she said anything Chuck shook his head no.
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The only other thing that happened and it spoke to me, is when she was calling for Jimmy.  Chuck acknowledged her saying, "Its Chuck I'm here" and she kept asking for Jimmy.

Lead me to believe Jimmy was always there for his mom like he is with Chuck.  He's the caregiver, and possibly Chuck wasn't there for his mother.

Maybe read too deep into that, but that is what I took from that scene.

 
Johnny Bing said:
The only other thing that happened and it spoke to me, is when she was calling for Jimmy.  Chuck acknowledged her saying, "Its Chuck I'm here" and she kept asking for Jimmy.

Lead me to believe Jimmy was always there for his mom like he is with Chuck.  He's the caregiver, and possibly Chuck wasn't there for his mother.

Maybe read too deep into that, but that is what I took from that scene.
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Could be, but Jimmy is just much more likeable so it wouldn't be surprising if his mom like Jimmy more.

 
Nathan R. Jessep said:
I was guessing it was something along those lines. Something vile that Chuck did to his brother, to make the viewer feel like Jimmy was justified in his sabotage actions. 

Thanks.
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I think it was to show where Chuck's hatred of Jimmy comes from - Chuck has done everything 'right' with his own life yet Jimmy is still his mom's favorite. Then Jimmy decides to get a law degree and practice in his area no less. Chuck then concludes that the best thing for everyone is to destroy Jimmy's career. 

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
I am very satisfied with the pacing of the show.  The details, the motivations, they appeal to me.  That others do not share my view does not lessen my enjoyment, unless it drives the ratings so low that the show gets canceled.

I love that Jimmy just can't resist the urge to do things the wrong way, even when the right way would be less hassle.    I understand maybe you have to run a con to get close to a B-29 to shoot a commercial, O.K., maybe, but you do not need to run a con to get Jimmy standing in front of a flag waiving in the sunshine and breeze.
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Jimmy's life would have turned out so much better if he had went to work for a multinational corporation.  Would have thrived looking for angles on how to hide money in tax havens.

 
I think that Chuck doesn't want to destroy Jimmy as much as he wants to prove to Mesa Verde and the world that he didn't make a mistake. 

 
cstu said:
I think it was to show where Chuck's hatred of Jimmy comes from - Chuck has done everything 'right' with his own life yet Jimmy is still his mom's favorite. Then Jimmy decides to get a law degree and practice in his area no less. Chuck then concludes that the best thing for everyone is to destroy Jimmy's career. 
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Agreed, except that Chuck has done everything right, yet manages to remain an #######. Jimmy is a likable dude. 

 
If you thought the season was boring maybe the show just isn't for you?  Nothing wrong with preferring other programs. I thought it was expertly done, riveting television.

 
Loved the season, but thought where they left us hanging wasn't a good season finale stopping point. Would've been a good "lead-in to the finale" episode, IMO. :coffee:  

 
Nathan R. Jessep said:
I was guessing it was something along those lines. Something vile that Chuck did to his brother, to make the viewer feel like Jimmy was justified in his sabotage actions. 

Thanks.
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I actually took the scene as background to why Chuck holds a grudge against Jimmy - Chuck was the "good" son yet for irrational reasons their parents preferred Jimmy.  I didn't see the scene as justifying Jimmy's actions but more so explaining why neither party has clean hands in the whole Chuck v. Jimmy storyline. 

 
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