***Official "Space Blanket" for Better Call Saul*** (5 Viewers)

[Jack White]

I think my wife summed this show up best. Its a little slow but the writing, directing, acting, and cinematography are so top notch you cant keep your eyes off of it.

You married Alan Sepinwall?

I flew through the baseball HOF in an hour, you think I read his long reviews?

They're only long if you're not interested in them.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I think my wife summed this show up best. Its a little slow but the writing, directing, acting, and cinematography are so top notch you cant keep your eyes off of it.

You married Alan Sepinwall?

I flew through the baseball HOF in an hour, you think I read his long reviews?

They're only long if you're not interested in them.

That's zen, man.

 

[Weeber]

Might take away from the tv show or this discussion or whatever, don't care, love the lawyer/law firm info dropped in here as I become more and more curious about it.

I want to ask so many stupid lawyer questions because of this show, like what exactly Chuck was doing recording his voice when Jimmy burst in with the bar exam news, but I try to limit it to stuff I think might be relevant.

Um...dictaphone? You some sort of time-traveler from the 1700s?

How does anyone like this guy? By far the worst poster on this board.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Might take away from the tv show or this discussion or whatever, don't care, love the lawyer/law firm info dropped in here as I become more and more curious about it.

I want to ask so many stupid lawyer questions because of this show, like what exactly Chuck was doing recording his voice when Jimmy burst in with the bar exam news, but I try to limit it to stuff I think might be relevant.

Um...dictaphone? You some sort of time-traveler from the 1700s?

How does anyone like this guy? By far the worst poster on this board.

Ten Times isn't close to being the worst.

 

[kentric]

Might take away from the tv show or this discussion or whatever, don't care, love the lawyer/law firm info dropped in here as I become more and more curious about it.

I want to ask so many stupid lawyer questions because of this show, like what exactly Chuck was doing recording his voice when Jimmy burst in with the bar exam news, but I try to limit it to stuff I think might be relevant.

Um...dictaphone? You some sort of time-traveler from the 1700s?

I wonder that more than you'd think But usually go with the fact that I'm just not as smart nor learned as the rest of you guys.

I'm glad you're smart enough to realize this. I was just about to say that you don't know nothing.

 

[TenTimes]

Might take away from the tv show or this discussion or whatever, don't care, love the lawyer/law firm info dropped in here as I become more and more curious about it.

I want to ask so many stupid lawyer questions because of this show, like what exactly Chuck was doing recording his voice when Jimmy burst in with the bar exam news, but I try to limit it to stuff I think might be relevant.

Um...dictaphone? You some sort of time-traveler from the 1700s?

How does anyone like this guy? By far the worst poster on this board.

Ten Times isn't close to being the worst.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

What was that strange metalic monster Jimmy was riding on/floating in? It was yellow and belched smoke.

The Yellow King

 

[Dr. Octopus]

What was that strange metalic monster Jimmy was riding on/floating in? It was yellow and belched smoke.

It was some kind of horseless carriage.

 

[Zow]

I thought Jimmy would have been a bit more alert to the potential issues with using Chuck's code, considering in the first or second episode, he called Hamlin out for sending Chuck documents and sending him checks to make it seem like he was still working for the firm from home, in response to Jimmy's demands that he get bought out.

Maybe this is what sinks Jimmy? Seemed like they made a scene of it.

I didn't quite understand why Hamlin would have a claim to this case? Is it simply that Chuck is working on it while employed by HH&M? I thought it was Jimmy's case and Chuck was pro bono? Guessing that defense won't fly?

Not just Chuck, but Saul's fling did the research while "at work"... Thus two "employees" of HHM worked on this lawsuit.. Have a feeling, as others mentioned above, this case is the beginning of Saul.

Another aspect that's not discussed is that not just anyone can be appointed class counsel in federal court. You have to have experience in class action cases. Especially if it turns out to be as big as Chuck thinks.

I thought that maybe Chuck would be the one to file the suit in HHM's name and subsequently Jimmy would find that he is only due hourly wages. Not a lawyer (maybe we can get some further lawyerly insight here), but figured if that happened, Jimmy becomes Saul soon thereafter.

Anyone. Anyone. Bueller. Bueller.

I'm curious as to whether the bolded is possible.

Sure, I guess that's possible.

The scenario here in BB really isn't super-realistic, or, at least for me, remotely close to anything I've seen. It's not uncommon for lawyers to become "of counsel" to another lawyer's firm's case -- but with that there's always some well-defined fee agreement. It's also not uncommon for one lawyer to help out another lawyer from a different firm on an issue, but that's done with the idea that there's simply some generosity in the profession.

What is happening in Saul is a total blurring of these ideas. Normally, if Chuck were to just help Jimmy behind the scenes*, it'd just be Jimmy's case and no issues. IMO using HHM's resources doesn't necessarily change that, but may entitle HHM to recovery of its costs (i.e. Jimmy paying for the paper and Kim's time).

*The other wrinkle here is that if there is a diagnosis that Chuck is crazy then Jimmy using Chuck's help may be malpractice. That's a whole other can of worms.

 

[Zow]

Might take away from the tv show or this discussion or whatever, don't care, love the lawyer/law firm info dropped in here as I become more and more curious about it.

I want to ask so many stupid lawyer questions because of this show, like what exactly Chuck was doing recording his voice when Jimmy burst in with the bar exam news, but I try to limit it to stuff I think might be relevant.

Um...dictaphone? You some sort of time-traveler from the 1700s?

Well in my defense I asked what Chuck was doing, not what he was talking in to. The defense rests

Some lawyers prefer to take voice notes instead of written notes. Doctors and researchers do the same thing.

Personally, I'm a big note taker when researching. So are many others. Hence the existence of those big legal pads.

 

[Emerson Biggens]

Thr degree from UA-S on Sauls's wall in Breaking Bad actually had Saul Goodman as the name...

 

[Zow]

my take on Jimmy so far:

we see a guy who's an outsider....he's not good enough for his brother's law form, not good enough for Kim, not even good enough to represent the Kettlemans until they get desperate. He's shown that he's an amzingly talented lawyer and gets stuff done,ike finding the Kettlemans, getting the money back, doing the work on the class action....better than probably most of the HHM guys....after a period of time of out-producing the insde guys and failing to gain acceptance, he will break. I think, at some point, Kim will be the catalyst, by either rejecting hiim or backstabbing him, or maybe she has just been using him all along, recognizing his talent and keeping it to herself as a resource...her secret weapon...

I have to say, I agree with most of this, but why? Why is he not good enough

Plenty of people screw around when they are young. Why cant Jimmy jump the hurdle. Why is he the guy that guilty people hire

Jimmy is a great talker/negotiator and he isn't a dummy. But I disagree that he is an "amazingly talented lawyer" and get why he doesn't get hired. I also disagree that where he went to school has too much to do it, especially in the criminal law field (personally speaking, where I went to law school hasn't mattered at all and I haven't even mentioned it since I took my first job yet I'm presently with my fourth criminal defense firm).

If you want an example of what I mean just watch Jimmy's first trial scene. His closing is terrible and he breaks numerous ethical rules in making it. It's likely clear to Jimmy's peers that he simply lacks the attention to deal, concern for ethical boundaries, and is essentially a bar complaint waiting to happen.

 

[Blind Tiger]

Thr degree from UA-S on Sauls's wall in Breaking Bad actually had Saul Goodman as the name...

Couldn't he have just ordered a replacement when he changed his name after providing the school with proof of the change?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Thr degree from UA-S on Sauls's wall in Breaking Bad actually had Saul Goodman as the name...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gElyJnv65zE

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Thr degree from UA-S on Sauls's wall in Breaking Bad actually had Saul Goodman as the name...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gElyJnv65zE

He admits that he changed his name in BB.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

The scenario here in BB really isn't super-realistic, or, at least for me, remotely close to anything I've seen. It's not uncommon for lawyers to become "of counsel" to another lawyer's firm's case -- but with that there's always some well-defined fee agreement. It's also not uncommon for one lawyer to help out another lawyer from a different firm on an issue, but that's done with the idea that there's simply some generosity in the profession.

What is happening in Saul is a total blurring of these ideas. Normally, if Chuck were to just help Jimmy behind the scenes*, it'd just be Jimmy's case and no issues. IMO using HHM's resources doesn't necessarily change that, but may entitle HHM to recovery of its costs (i.e. Jimmy paying for the paper and Kim's time).

They're cutting a lot of civ-pro corners. We don't know that Jimmy is representing all the seniors in that one nursing home. And there are twelve nursing homes, making it unlikely that there'd be a settlement involving only one (assuming all twelve were overcharging). It seems like both Jimmy & Chuck and the nursing home are treating this as a potential class action case, but you can't settle a potential class action case without doing a lot of civil procedure stuff first -- notice and opt-out procedures and whatnot. That should really be the focus of this show if it wants to be realistic. Civil procedure. Lots and lots of civil procedure.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Sort of a stupid question but is it really possible to get your J.D. via "distance learning"? Seems odd.

 

[Gr00vus]

Sort of a stupid question but is it really possible to get your J.D. via "distance learning"? Seems odd.

I'm sensing a career change here - you really want to contribute to that lawyer thread, don't you?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Sort of a stupid question but is it really possible to get your J.D. via "distance learning"? Seems odd.

I'm sensing a career change here - you really want to contribute to that lawyer thread, don't you?

I already know the Bill of Rights and can rattle off about 15-20 SCOTUS decisions. Pretty much half way there IMO.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

What was that strange metalic monster Jimmy was riding on/floating in? It was yellow and belched smoke.

It was some kind of horseless carriage.

Some sort of motorized velocipede.

 

[Zow]

Sort of a stupid question but is it really possible to get your J.D. via "distance learning"? Seems odd.

I think most non-elite schools have a nights and weekends programs. Never heard of distance learning though. Sort of defeats the whole Socratic method jerk off session that is a law school class.

 

[Thorn]

my take on Jimmy so far:

we see a guy who's an outsider....he's not good enough for his brother's law form, not good enough for Kim, not even good enough to represent the Kettlemans until they get desperate. He's shown that he's an amzingly talented lawyer and gets stuff done,ike finding the Kettlemans, getting the money back, doing the work on the class action....better than probably most of the HHM guys....after a period of time of out-producing the insde guys and failing to gain acceptance, he will break. I think, at some point, Kim will be the catalyst, by either rejecting hiim or backstabbing him, or maybe she has just been using him all along, recognizing his talent and keeping it to herself as a resource...her secret weapon...

I have to say, I agree with most of this, but why? Why is he not good enough

Plenty of people screw around when they are young. Why cant Jimmy jump the hurdle. Why is he the guy that guilty people hire

Jimmy is a great talker/negotiator and he isn't a dummy. But I disagree that he is an "amazingly talented lawyer" and get why he doesn't get hired. I also disagree that where he went to school has too much to do it, especially in the criminal law field (personally speaking, where I went to law school hasn't mattered at all and I haven't even mentioned it since I took my first job yet I'm presently with my fourth criminal defense firm).

If you want an example of what I mean just watch Jimmy's first trial scene. His closing is terrible and he breaks numerous ethical rules in making it. It's likely clear to Jimmy's peers that he simply lacks the attention to deal, concern for ethical boundaries, and is essentially a bar complaint waiting to happen.

o sweet irony

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Thr degree from UA-S on Sauls's wall in Breaking Bad actually had Saul Goodman as the name...

I know of married women who petitioned the Supreme Court in their state to have the Bar issue a license to them under their new, married name. I do not know of a law school doing so, but I imagine they would for any legally changed name.

 

[Zow]

The scenario here in BB really isn't super-realistic, or, at least for me, remotely close to anything I've seen. It's not uncommon for lawyers to become "of counsel" to another lawyer's firm's case -- but with that there's always some well-defined fee agreement. It's also not uncommon for one lawyer to help out another lawyer from a different firm on an issue, but that's done with the idea that there's simply some generosity in the profession.

What is happening in Saul is a total blurring of these ideas. Normally, if Chuck were to just help Jimmy behind the scenes*, it'd just be Jimmy's case and no issues. IMO using HHM's resources doesn't necessarily change that, but may entitle HHM to recovery of its costs (i.e. Jimmy paying for the paper and Kim's time).

They're cutting a lot of civ-pro corners. We don't know that Jimmy is representing all the seniors in that one nursing home. And there are twelve nursing homes, making it unlikely that there'd be a settlement involving only one (assuming all twelve were overcharging). It seems like both Jimmy & Chuck and the nursing home are treating this as a potential class action case, but you can't settle a potential class action case without doing a lot of civil procedure stuff first -- notice and opt-out procedures and whatnot. That should really be the focus of this show if it wants to be realistic. Civil procedure. Lots and lots of civil procedure.

Erie Doctrine

 

[Zow]

my take on Jimmy so far:

we see a guy who's an outsider....he's not good enough for his brother's law form, not good enough for Kim, not even good enough to represent the Kettlemans until they get desperate. He's shown that he's an amzingly talented lawyer and gets stuff done,ike finding the Kettlemans, getting the money back, doing the work on the class action....better than probably most of the HHM guys....after a period of time of out-producing the insde guys and failing to gain acceptance, he will break. I think, at some point, Kim will be the catalyst, by either rejecting hiim or backstabbing him, or maybe she has just been using him all along, recognizing his talent and keeping it to herself as a resource...her secret weapon...

I have to say, I agree with most of this, but why? Why is he not good enough

Plenty of people screw around when they are young. Why cant Jimmy jump the hurdle. Why is he the guy that guilty people hire

Jimmy is a great talker/negotiator and he isn't a dummy. But I disagree that he is an "amazingly talented lawyer" and get why he doesn't get hired. I also disagree that where he went to school has too much to do it, especially in the criminal law field (personally speaking, where I went to law school hasn't mattered at all and I haven't even mentioned it since I took my first job yet I'm presently with my fourth criminal defense firm).

If you want an example of what I mean just watch Jimmy's first trial scene. His closing is terrible and he breaks numerous ethical rules in making it. It's likely clear to Jimmy's peers that he simply lacks the attention to deal, concern for ethical boundaries, and is essentially a bar complaint waiting to happen.

o sweet irony

I never said I was an amazingly talented lawyer, either.

ETA: And bravo if your "o" was intentional.

 

[Zow]

Sort of a stupid question but is it really possible to get your J.D. via "distance learning"? Seems odd.

I'm sensing a career change here - you really want to contribute to that lawyer thread, don't you?

I already know the Bill of Rights and can rattle off about 15-20 SCOTUS decisions. Pretty much half way there IMO.

You are in California...

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Sort of a stupid question but is it really possible to get your J.D. via "distance learning"? Seems odd.

I think most non-elite schools have a nights and weekends programs. Never heard of distance learning though. Sort of defeats the whole Socratic method jerk off session that is a law school class.

That would be my favorite part of lawyer college http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6q7wL8byFZ8/U63F7tDqL4I/AAAAAAAAAVQ/XkdWsBCPpAI/s1600/IMG_8399.JPG

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Sort of a stupid question but is it really possible to get your J.D. via "distance learning"? Seems odd.

I'm sensing a career change here - you really want to contribute to that lawyer thread, don't you?

I already know the Bill of Rights and can rattle off about 15-20 SCOTUS decisions. Pretty much half way there IMO.

You are in California...

And you said you weren't amazing or talented.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Sort of a stupid question but is it really possible to get your J.D. via "distance learning"? Seems odd.

http://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/publications/misc/legal_education/2015_comprehensive_guide_to_bar_admission_requirements.authcheckdam.pdf

Per page 8, the state of New Mexico counts both online and correspondence law schools as valid study to take the bar.

Reading this further, looks like in Virginia, you don't have to go to law school at all to pass the bar, just complete a program of study at a law office. Apparently all you have to do to qualify to be a lawyer there is buy a suit for the test.

I already have TWO suits! This lawyering thing is easy.

 

[Gr00vus]

Also, to be totally realistic, every time Jimmy walks into a room, someone should say "Hey, you look like the guy from Mr. Show!"

I'm eagerly awaiting the Altered State of Drugachusetts tie in episode, with a music score by Titannica.

 

[TenTimes]

Sort of a stupid question but is it really possible to get your J.D. via "distance learning"? Seems odd.

I think most non-elite schools have a nights and weekends programs. Never heard of distance learning though. Sort of defeats the whole Socratic method jerk off session that is a law school class.

I think they could skype that kind of thing, but not sure.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Sort of a stupid question but is it really possible to get your J.D. via "distance learning"? Seems odd.

I think most non-elite schools have a nights and weekends programs. Never heard of distance learning though. Sort of defeats the whole Socratic method jerk off session that is a law school class.

I think they could skype that kind of thing, but not sure.

You become much more tech-savvy since last page.

 

[Zow]

Sort of a stupid question but is it really possible to get your J.D. via "distance learning"? Seems odd.

I think most non-elite schools have a nights and weekends programs. Never heard of distance learning though. Sort of defeats the whole Socratic method jerk off session that is a law school class.

I think they could skype that kind of thing, but not sure.

No way a prof could instill the same sheer terror and indignation and a student's lack of quality response over Skype.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Also, to be totally realistic, every time Jimmy walks into a room, someone should say "Hey, you look like the guy from Mr. Show!"

I'm eagerly awaiting the Altered State of Drugachusetts tie in episode, with a music score by Titannica.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcaVSTsYyOI

 

[Gr00vus]

Also, to be totally realistic, every time Jimmy walks into a room, someone should say "Hey, you look like the guy from Mr. Show!"

I'm eagerly awaiting the Altered State of Drugachusetts tie in episode, with a music score by Titannica.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcaVSTsYyOI

Such a great show.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Sort of a stupid question but is it really possible to get your J.D. via "distance learning"? Seems odd.

I think most non-elite schools have a nights and weekends programs. Never heard of distance learning though. Sort of defeats the whole Socratic method jerk off session that is a law school class.

I think they could skype that kind of thing, but not sure.

You become much more tech-savvy since last page.

"Skype...I mean 'moon-man magneto daguerreotype launcher'..."

 

[Fariq]

I'm all Hydroxed out.

 

[krista4]

My favorite line of the episode still belonged to Mike: "Tell me what you got; I’ll tell you what I’ll do."

Reminded me of this.

 

[Christo]

Might take away from the tv show or this discussion or whatever, don't care, love the lawyer/law firm info dropped in here as I become more and more curious about it.

I want to ask so many stupid lawyer questions because of this show, like what exactly Chuck was doing recording his voice when Jimmy burst in with the bar exam news, but I try to limit it to stuff I think might be relevant.

Um...dictaphone? You some sort of time-traveler from the 1700s?

Well in my defense I asked what Chuck was doing, not what he was talking in to. The defense rests

Some lawyers prefer to take voice notes instead of written notes. Doctors and researchers do the same thing.

Personally, I'm a big note taker when researching. So are many others. Hence the existence of those big legal pads.

Yeah, I could never get into dictation.

 

[cstu]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/e1/e19f8b3d4f5c30e64c4fb6ea4a7e0eddaf5d807858c7c20105b8e53934ebce0d.jpg

 

[cstu]

Yeah, I could never get into dictation.

I believe it only got popular so bosses could say "I need you to take dictation" to their secretaries.

 

[wikkidpissah]

"Mur dictate pine", she said, as her eyes rose to meet mine.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Thr degree from UA-S on Sauls's wall in Breaking Bad actually had Saul Goodman as the name...

Couldn't he have just ordered a replacement when he changed his name after providing the school with proof of the change?

Failing that, there's some reason to suspect he may know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy with access to a laser printer.

 

[flysack]

Thr degree from UA-S on Sauls's wall in Breaking Bad actually had Saul Goodman as the name...

Couldn't he have just ordered a replacement when he changed his name after providing the school with proof of the change?

Failing that, there's some reason to suspect he may know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy with access to a laser printer.

 

[kupcho1]

yeah, don't get the slow complaint at all.

The plot moves along at a leisurely pace, but that's by design.

Slow?

Dude was working at a Cinnabon just weeks ago and now he's top lawyer on a $20 million class action suit.

That's slow?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

yeah, don't get the slow complaint at all.

The plot moves along at a leisurely pace, but that's by design.

Slow?

Dude was working at a Cinnabon just weeks ago and now he's top lawyer on a $20 million class action suit.

That's slow?

by FBG standards yes

 

[Fariq]

Grass between your toes feels nice. Yeah.

 

[The Ref]

Ok now his brother submarine saul is clear. Too bad, it's going to kill him.

 

[Raider Nation]

Mike kinda rules.

 

[flysack]

Trevor sighting!

Awesome scene between him and Mike.