***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (2 Viewers)

[HellToupee]

Officer Hannity had a serious creep factor

 

[Harry Manback]

sophia

Looks like my daughter knows how to post here now.

Not good.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

So, at first I thought it was a breeding facility, then it became more of just a creepy place where the guards just happened to want to take advantage of young females. The chick cop had to have been abused until they could get more females in so the guy guards could shift their attention off of her. Daryl has the black kid that escaped in tow. Carol got herself caught intentionally. Cavalry is coming. Black guy mentioned his family was from Richmond. So after the epic battle to escape the hospital - the group will head up to Richmond - which will lead them to Washington - which is where they will regroup with the team that left for Washington because they need to get Maggie and Beth back together. This won't all happen this season - there will be a cliffhanger at the end where the groups are close to reuniting.

 

[comfortably numb]

so....lets nerd this up.

How far is ATL from the house where they picked Beth up?

For some reason I thought they were pretty far away from ATL

 

[Parrothead]

wasn't Terminus near Macon? Macon is a fairly long way from Atlanta, especially with bad gas

 

[stbugs]

so....lets nerd this up.

How far is ATL from the house where they picked Beth up?

For some reason I thought they were pretty far away from ATL

Based on a quick nerd search, looks like about 80 miles from Atlanta +/- 10 miles based on where in Atlanta that hospital is. If they have fueled up cars and a decent route setup, it probably is no more than an hour or so.

 

[pantherclub]

So help me out here. The "hook" of the hospital is that they capture people to make them work? Thats it? No breeding ground, no crazy killers they just need cheap labor? Seems like an odd angle.

 

[comfortably numb]

So help me out here. The "hook" of the hospital is that they capture people to make them work? Thats it? No breeding ground, no crazy killers they just need cheap labor? Seems like an odd angle.

sort of a like a slave labor/sex slave thing i see as well

 

[comfortably numb]

so....lets nerd this up.

How far is ATL from the house where they picked Beth up?

For some reason I thought they were pretty far away from ATL

Based on a quick nerd search, looks like about 80 miles from Atlanta +/- 10 miles based on where in Atlanta that hospital is. If they have fueled up cars and a decent route setup, it probably is no more than an hour or so.

an hour...on the freeway with all the parked cars?

 

[Zow]

So help me out here. The "hook" of the hospital is that they capture people to make them work? Thats it? No breeding ground, no crazy killers they just need cheap labor? Seems like an odd angle.

I don't really think so. To me it's actually made way more sense than the Terminus cannibalism or even the governor thing. The group recognizes strength in numbers and has embraced the do whatever is necessary to survive. Therefore they need people but lack the emotional sympathy they might have otherwise had. So, it's sort of a complete utilitarian approach to the situation where the morality of some of the means used is ignored to tried to get the group to an end - which, on their belief, is some sort of rescue. So with that thought process in mind the group is solely a "do whatever it takes to hang on". I thought the doctor was a great emblem of that with his indirect murder of the new patient/doctor.

One of my wife's big gripes with the show though is that in every group they encounter there is some sort of total sociopath doing horrific things. For example we've seen a raging narcissist, cannibals, and now a rapist.

 

[El Floppo]

Filler episode that doesn't really offer anything to the overall story. I don't even think that the character of Dawn offered anything knew to the exploration of the role/philosophy of the leader in

a group.

Eh, wasn't the best episode but I disagree. She's basically hanging on to some semblance of structure while succumbing to moral depravity to hold on to some false hope.

true. except that verse is the same as the first, second, third etc verses.

we get it: different micro-societies in place dealing with this in different ways.

after watching last night, I realized I don't care any more about the different ways groups are handling this. Seems like that has become a tired plot device to highlight conflicts of morality and/or kill off or separate the main group.

 

[FlapJacks]

. after watching last night, I realized I don't care any more about the different ways groups are handling this.

Isn't that basically the essence of the show? How humans deal with this situation?

 

[packersfan]

Rapists in this world makes a ton of sense. All about survival of the fittest at this point.

 

[packersfan]

. after watching last night, I realized I don't care any more about the different ways groups are handling this.

Isn't that basically the essence of the show? How humans deal with this situation?

Yup, since the first episode. It's definitely the show's foundation and its strongest theme.

 

[Disco Stu]

The chick cop had to have been abused until they could get more females in so the guy guards could shift their attention off of her.

So the same guys who were abusing her are now taking orders from her? Is that what you guys are saying?

I'm having a hard time buying into that ascension.

 

[tommyboy]

So help me out here. The "hook" of the hospital is that they capture people to make them work? Thats it? No breeding ground, no crazy killers they just need cheap labor? Seems like an odd angle.

I don't really think so. To me it's actually made way more sense than the Terminus cannibalism or even the governor thing. The group recognizes strength in numbers and has embraced the do whatever is necessary to survive. Therefore they need people but lack the emotional sympathy they might have otherwise had. So, it's sort of a complete utilitarian approach to the situation where the morality of some of the means used is ignored to tried to get the group to an end - which, on their belief, is some sort of rescue. So with that thought process in mind the group is solely a "do whatever it takes to hang on". I thought the doctor was a great emblem of that with his indirect murder of the new patient/doctor.

One of my wife's big gripes with the show though is that in every group they encounter there is some sort of total sociopath doing horrific things. For example we've seen a raging narcissist, cannibals, and now a rapist.

not sure why that would surprise you, This is a lawless society, so the base nature of man can come out. We're only a few laws and a few cops away from becoming tribes that rape and kill and plunder

 

[RaiderBones]

Emily Kinney still looks 15

I heard they're going to kill off Beth and recast her as Carl.

Wouldn't Carl then be renamed Carla?

 

[bigbottom]

I thought the episode was a nice change of pace. The doc killing the other doc was an interesting angle.

 

[Parrothead]

the arm amputation scene was pretty gruesome

 

[TheIronSheik]

the arm amputation scene was pretty gruesome

I liked when they let the fluid out of his lungs.

 

[Harry Manback]

I thought the episode was a nice change of pace. The doc killing the other doc was an interesting angle.

I kinda thought it was stupid.

Why on earth would it be bad to have 2 doctors?!? More the better I'd think.

 

[cstu]

The chick cop had to have been abused until they could get more females in so the guy guards could shift their attention off of her.

So the same guys who were abusing her are now taking orders from her? Is that what you guys are saying?

I'm having a hard time buying into that ascension.

So help me out here. The "hook" of the hospital is that they capture people to make them work? Thats it? No breeding ground, no crazy killers they just need cheap labor? Seems like an odd angle.

I don't really think so. To me it's actually made way more sense than the Terminus cannibalism or even the governor thing. The group recognizes strength in numbers and has embraced the do whatever is necessary to survive. Therefore they need people but lack the emotional sympathy they might have otherwise had. So, it's sort of a complete utilitarian approach to the situation where the morality of some of the means used is ignored to tried to get the group to an end - which, on their belief, is some sort of rescue. So with that thought process in mind the group is solely a "do whatever it takes to hang on". I thought the doctor was a great emblem of that with his indirect murder of the new patient/doctor.

One of my wife's big gripes with the show though is that in every group they encounter there is some sort of total sociopath doing horrific things. For example we've seen a raging narcissist, cannibals, and now a rapist.

Rape would be the rule rather than the exception.

 

[snogger]

I thought the episode was a nice change of pace. The doc killing the other doc was an interesting angle.

I kinda thought it was stupid.

Why on earth would it be bad to have 2 doctors?!? More the better I'd think.

Unless you are not a very good doctor and the only reason they let you live is because you at least have the Doctor title.. Seemed many don't really like/trust him and would easily send him packing if they didn't need him.

 

[cstu]

I thought the episode was a nice change of pace. The doc killing the other doc was an interesting angle.

I kinda thought it was stupid.

Why on earth would it be bad to have 2 doctors?!? More the better I'd think.

The doc got away with a lot because he was their only doctor.

 

[Harry Manback]

I thought the episode was a nice change of pace. The doc killing the other doc was an interesting angle.

I kinda thought it was stupid.

Why on earth would it be bad to have 2 doctors?!? More the better I'd think.

Unless you are not a very good doctor and the only reason they let you live is because you at least have the Doctor title.. Seemed many don't really like/trust him and would easily send him packing if they didn't need him.

He seemed to be ok at it. I dunno, it's minor but it bugged me. You'd think they'd want as many intelligent, able-bodied people as they can get.

 

[Harry Manback]

I thought the episode was a nice change of pace. The doc killing the other doc was an interesting angle.

I kinda thought it was stupid.

Why on earth would it be bad to have 2 doctors?!? More the better I'd think.

The doc got away with a lot because he was their only doctor.

Got away with a lot? Like, more than raping people?

 

[snogger]

I thought the episode was a nice change of pace. The doc killing the other doc was an interesting angle.

I kinda thought it was stupid.

Why on earth would it be bad to have 2 doctors?!? More the better I'd think.

Unless you are not a very good doctor and the only reason they let you live is because you at least have the Doctor title.. Seemed many don't really like/trust him and would easily send him packing if they didn't need him.

He seemed to be ok at it. I dunno, it's minor but it bugged me. You'd think they'd want as many intelligent, able-bodied people as they can get.

Well of course "They" might but he is insecure and figured if the other doctor lived he'd be gone so he wasn't going to take any chances..

 

[bigbottom]

I thought the episode was a nice change of pace. The doc killing the other doc was an interesting angle.

I kinda thought it was stupid.

Why on earth would it be bad to have 2 doctors?!? More the better I'd think.

Of course when you're coming from the perspective of the group. But a guy is a hell of a lot more dispensible to the group when he is the only doc, rather than one of two docs. From that guy's perspective, it made a ton of sense to off the other doctor. Survival instinct.

 

[bigbottom]

I thought the episode was a nice change of pace. The doc killing the other doc was an interesting angle.

I kinda thought it was stupid.

Why on earth would it be bad to have 2 doctors?!? More the better I'd think.

The doc got away with a lot because he was their only doctor.

Got away with a lot? Like, more than raping people?

Had his own office and a bunch of perks, like the record player.

 

[El Floppo]

. after watching last night, I realized I don't care any more about the different ways groups are handling this.

Isn't that basically the essence of the show? How humans deal with this situation?

I hear you... but IMO, the show is about how the Rick group deals with the situation.

Adding new and different/the-same groups that each handle things slightly differently as a foil to Rick's group... for now, I'm not interested- feel like they've already done this and need to look elsewhere for plot devices.

 

[Harry Manback]

I thought the episode was a nice change of pace. The doc killing the other doc was an interesting angle.

I kinda thought it was stupid.

Why on earth would it be bad to have 2 doctors?!? More the better I'd think.

The doc got away with a lot because he was their only doctor.

Got away with a lot? Like, more than raping people?

Had his own office and a bunch of perks, like the record player.

It's a pretty big place, not sure how rare office space is.

And owning a record player hardly seems worth offing a valuable resource, but I'll just move on.

 

[El Floppo]

So help me out here. The "hook" of the hospital is that they capture people to make them work? Thats it? No breeding ground, no crazy killers they just need cheap labor? Seems like an odd angle.

I don't really think so. To me it's actually made way more sense than the Terminus cannibalism or even the governor thing. The group recognizes strength in numbers and has embraced the do whatever is necessary to survive. Therefore they need people but lack the emotional sympathy they might have otherwise had. So, it's sort of a complete utilitarian approach to the situation where the morality of some of the means used is ignored to tried to get the group to an end - which, on their belief, is some sort of rescue. So with that thought process in mind the group is solely a "do whatever it takes to hang on". I thought the doctor was a great emblem of that with his indirect murder of the new patient/doctor.

One of my wife's big gripes with the show though is that in every group they encounter there is some sort of total sociopath doing horrific things. For example we've seen a raging narcissist, cannibals, and now a rapist.

totally agree.

maybe that's where my problem is more than running into other groups. it's Lord of the Flies over and over... I'd prefer something else.

 

[mlball77]

I thought it was an interesting episode.

If Daryl eventually busts some of them out of there, does the doc come along and join "Team Rick?" He seems like he wants nothing to do with the world outside of the hospital.

 

[El Floppo]

I thought the episode was a nice change of pace. The doc killing the other doc was an interesting angle.

I kinda thought it was stupid.

Why on earth would it be bad to have 2 doctors?!? More the better I'd think.

The doc got away with a lot because he was their only doctor.

Got away with a lot? Like, more than raping people?

Had his own office and a bunch of perks, like the record player.

It's a pretty big place, not sure how rare office space is.

And owning a record player hardly seems worth offing a valuable resource, but I'll just move on.

I'd kill all of you to have my own Caravaggio hanging in my office.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

I guess they were in a hurry to get out of there, but I'd have probably at least checked the doors of the cars outside in the parking lot

 

[tdoss]

Doc also mouthed off to one of the guards...so that's gotta factor into his thinking that they may discard him if other doc is healthy.

I just don't buy a woman being ok with these guys raping people but I guess you can't always have a male bad guy...so this is their solution.

Problem is that it's just not believable. Why would the guards accept her as leader? You've got a guard actually mouthing off about how it would be best to have another leader...anyone but her...right in front of her. I just didn't buy her being leader. Where is her power? What is the consequence of not taking her orders if you're a guard?

 

[stbugs]

so....lets nerd this up.

How far is ATL from the house where they picked Beth up?

For some reason I thought they were pretty far away from ATL

Based on a quick nerd search, looks like about 80 miles from Atlanta +/- 10 miles based on where in Atlanta that hospital is. If they have fueled up cars and a decent route setup, it probably is no more than an hour or so.

an hour...on the freeway with all the parked cars?

What parked cars? Do you recall the CDC episodes or Glen meeting Rick's escape? We have only ever seen pockets of cars blocking roads or parked cars on one side of the freeway. Outside of that one patch that turned into the farm season, all other highway travel has been unimpeded. It is OK to drive on the other side now. When I say an hour, I am thinking it could be within an hour or so of driving time today. Yes, some stops here and there, but not far enough away to make it implausible.

 

[comfortably numb]

so....lets nerd this up.

How far is ATL from the house where they picked Beth up?

For some reason I thought they were pretty far away from ATL

Based on a quick nerd search, looks like about 80 miles from Atlanta +/- 10 miles based on where in Atlanta that hospital is. If they have fueled up cars and a decent route setup, it probably is no more than an hour or so.

an hour...on the freeway with all the parked cars?

What parked cars? Do you recall the CDC episodes or Glen meeting Rick's escape? We have only ever seen pockets of cars blocking roads or parked cars on one side of the freeway. Outside of that one patch that turned into the farm season, all other highway travel has been unimpeded. It is OK to drive on the other side now. When I say an hour, I am thinking it could be within an hour or so of driving time today. Yes, some stops here and there, but not far enough away to make it implausible.

guess so.

Just struck me as odd to have these guys travelling that far away for....not sure what they were even doing there in the 1st place.

 

[Zow]

So help me out here. The "hook" of the hospital is that they capture people to make them work? Thats it? No breeding ground, no crazy killers they just need cheap labor? Seems like an odd angle.

I don't really think so. To me it's actually made way more sense than the Terminus cannibalism or even the governor thing. The group recognizes strength in numbers and has embraced the do whatever is necessary to survive. Therefore they need people but lack the emotional sympathy they might have otherwise had. So, it's sort of a complete utilitarian approach to the situation where the morality of some of the means used is ignored to tried to get the group to an end - which, on their belief, is some sort of rescue. So with that thought process in mind the group is solely a "do whatever it takes to hang on". I thought the doctor was a great emblem of that with his indirect murder of the new patient/doctor.

One of my wife's big gripes with the show though is that in every group they encounter there is some sort of total sociopath doing horrific things. For example we've seen a raging narcissist, cannibals, and now a rapist.

not sure why that would surprise you, This is a lawless society, so the base nature of man can come out. We're only a few laws and a few cops away from becoming tribes that rape and kill and plunder

Clearly, we fundamentally disagree on the base nature of man.

 

[Zow]

So help me out here. The "hook" of the hospital is that they capture people to make them work? Thats it? No breeding ground, no crazy killers they just need cheap labor? Seems like an odd angle.

I don't really think so. To me it's actually made way more sense than the Terminus cannibalism or even the governor thing. The group recognizes strength in numbers and has embraced the do whatever is necessary to survive. Therefore they need people but lack the emotional sympathy they might have otherwise had. So, it's sort of a complete utilitarian approach to the situation where the morality of some of the means used is ignored to tried to get the group to an end - which, on their belief, is some sort of rescue. So with that thought process in mind the group is solely a "do whatever it takes to hang on". I thought the doctor was a great emblem of that with his indirect murder of the new patient/doctor.

One of my wife's big gripes with the show though is that in every group they encounter there is some sort of total sociopath doing horrific things. For example we've seen a raging narcissist, cannibals, and now a rapist.

totally agree.

maybe that's where my problem is more than running into other groups. it's Lord of the Flies over and over... I'd prefer something else.

Yeah I chalk it up to its roots as a graphic novel, bus seriously there has to be some semi-decent people out there. At least some others like Rick's group who don't rape, eat, or kill people for absolutely no reason.

 

[comfortably numb]

So help me out here. The "hook" of the hospital is that they capture people to make them work? Thats it? No breeding ground, no crazy killers they just need cheap labor? Seems like an odd angle.

I don't really think so. To me it's actually made way more sense than the Terminus cannibalism or even the governor thing. The group recognizes strength in numbers and has embraced the do whatever is necessary to survive. Therefore they need people but lack the emotional sympathy they might have otherwise had. So, it's sort of a complete utilitarian approach to the situation where the morality of some of the means used is ignored to tried to get the group to an end - which, on their belief, is some sort of rescue. So with that thought process in mind the group is solely a "do whatever it takes to hang on". I thought the doctor was a great emblem of that with his indirect murder of the new patient/doctor.

One of my wife's big gripes with the show though is that in every group they encounter there is some sort of total sociopath doing horrific things. For example we've seen a raging narcissist, cannibals, and now a rapist.

totally agree.

maybe that's where my problem is more than running into other groups. it's Lord of the Flies over and over... I'd prefer something else.

Yeah I chalk it up to its roots as a graphic novel, bus seriously there has to be some semi-decent people out there. At least some others like Rick's group who don't rape, eat, or kill people for absolutely no reason.

They are out there.

Mullet group and how about group gov stumbled upon?

Those 2 seemed normal

 

[El Floppo]

So help me out here. The "hook" of the hospital is that they capture people to make them work? Thats it? No breeding ground, no crazy killers they just need cheap labor? Seems like an odd angle.

I don't really think so. To me it's actually made way more sense than the Terminus cannibalism or even the governor thing. The group recognizes strength in numbers and has embraced the do whatever is necessary to survive. Therefore they need people but lack the emotional sympathy they might have otherwise had. So, it's sort of a complete utilitarian approach to the situation where the morality of some of the means used is ignored to tried to get the group to an end - which, on their belief, is some sort of rescue. So with that thought process in mind the group is solely a "do whatever it takes to hang on". I thought the doctor was a great emblem of that with his indirect murder of the new patient/doctor.

One of my wife's big gripes with the show though is that in every group they encounter there is some sort of total sociopath doing horrific things. For example we've seen a raging narcissist, cannibals, and now a rapist.

totally agree.

maybe that's where my problem is more than running into other groups. it's Lord of the Flies over and over... I'd prefer something else.

Yeah I chalk it up to its roots as a graphic novel, bus seriously there has to be some semi-decent people out there. At least some others like Rick's group who don't rape, eat, or kill people for absolutely no reason.

They are out there.

Mullet group and how about group gov stumbled upon?

Those 2 seemed normal

Fair enough.

Mullet more rag-tag, than a group.

both Gov groups were normal... except for the Gov- my least favorite part of the series. The writers use the crazies to drive plot in ways I don't buy.

 

[Worm]

So help me out here. The "hook" of the hospital is that they capture people to make them work? Thats it? No breeding ground, no crazy killers they just need cheap labor? Seems like an odd angle.

I don't really think so. To me it's actually made way more sense than the Terminus cannibalism or even the governor thing. The group recognizes strength in numbers and has embraced the do whatever is necessary to survive. Therefore they need people but lack the emotional sympathy they might have otherwise had. So, it's sort of a complete utilitarian approach to the situation where the morality of some of the means used is ignored to tried to get the group to an end - which, on their belief, is some sort of rescue. So with that thought process in mind the group is solely a "do whatever it takes to hang on". I thought the doctor was a great emblem of that with his indirect murder of the new patient/doctor.

One of my wife's big gripes with the show though is that in every group they encounter there is some sort of total sociopath doing horrific things. For example we've seen a raging narcissist, cannibals, and now a rapist.

totally agree.

maybe that's where my problem is more than running into other groups. it's Lord of the Flies over and over... I'd prefer something else.

Well...

NEXT TIME, ON THE WALKING DEAD:

Rick and the gang run across a large group of survivors on their trek to DC. Among them a man who is really good at growing vegetables, a woman who is really quite pleasant, and a group of teenagers who respect their elders. *BUT*, is there more to this group than meets the eye? No.

TUNE IN!

 

[ghostguy123]

I thought the episode was a nice change of pace. The doc killing the other doc was an interesting angle.

I kinda thought it was stupid.

Why on earth would it be bad to have 2 doctors?!? More the better I'd think.

Way, way over your head on that one

 

[ghostguy123]

It's a pretty big place, not sure how rare office space is.

And owning a record player hardly seems worth offing a valuable resource, but I'll just move on.

You cant seriously be serious. I will just assume you arent.

 

[ghostguy123]

Clearly, we fundamentally disagree on the base nature of man.

In case you haven't noticed, the rather overwhelming majority of "good" people are not the type that survive this.

 

[comfortably numb]

So help me out here. The "hook" of the hospital is that they capture people to make them work? Thats it? No breeding ground, no crazy killers they just need cheap labor? Seems like an odd angle.

I don't really think so. To me it's actually made way more sense than the Terminus cannibalism or even the governor thing. The group recognizes strength in numbers and has embraced the do whatever is necessary to survive. Therefore they need people but lack the emotional sympathy they might have otherwise had. So, it's sort of a complete utilitarian approach to the situation where the morality of some of the means used is ignored to tried to get the group to an end - which, on their belief, is some sort of rescue. So with that thought process in mind the group is solely a "do whatever it takes to hang on". I thought the doctor was a great emblem of that with his indirect murder of the new patient/doctor.

One of my wife's big gripes with the show though is that in every group they encounter there is some sort of total sociopath doing horrific things. For example we've seen a raging narcissist, cannibals, and now a rapist.

totally agree.

maybe that's where my problem is more than running into other groups. it's Lord of the Flies over and over... I'd prefer something else.

Well...

NEXT TIME, ON THE WALKING DEAD:

Rick and the gang run across a large group of survivors on their trek to DC. Among them a man who is really good at growing vegetables, a woman who is really quite pleasant, and a group of teenagers who respect their elders. *BUT*, is there more to this group than meets the eye? No.

TUNE IN!

Yea, wouldn't sell.

If they were trying to be creative in their writing it would be a good way to kill off half the cast and introduce new people as some very successful shows have done.

I've come to grips this show is The Walking Promo

You can't kill off the regulars when your main goal is to milk them for another couple years of mass marketing promotions.

 

[El Floppo]

So help me out here. The "hook" of the hospital is that they capture people to make them work? Thats it? No breeding ground, no crazy killers they just need cheap labor? Seems like an odd angle.

I don't really think so. To me it's actually made way more sense than the Terminus cannibalism or even the governor thing. The group recognizes strength in numbers and has embraced the do whatever is necessary to survive. Therefore they need people but lack the emotional sympathy they might have otherwise had. So, it's sort of a complete utilitarian approach to the situation where the morality of some of the means used is ignored to tried to get the group to an end - which, on their belief, is some sort of rescue. So with that thought process in mind the group is solely a "do whatever it takes to hang on". I thought the doctor was a great emblem of that with his indirect murder of the new patient/doctor.

One of my wife's big gripes with the show though is that in every group they encounter there is some sort of total sociopath doing horrific things. For example we've seen a raging narcissist, cannibals, and now a rapist.

totally agree.

maybe that's where my problem is more than running into other groups. it's Lord of the Flies over and over... I'd prefer something else.

Well...

NEXT TIME, ON THE WALKING DEAD:

Rick and the gang run across a large group of survivors on their trek to DC. Among them a man who is really good at growing vegetables, a woman who is really quite pleasant, and a group of teenagers who respect their elders. *BUT*, is there more to this group than meets the eye? No.

TUNE IN!

I think I'd still rather that than Looney Larouche somehow calling the shots at every camp. Plenty to deal with with zombies walking around.

 

[Harry Manback]

Clearly, we fundamentally disagree on the base nature of man.

In case you haven't noticed, the rather overwhelming majority of "good" people are not the type that survive this.

you're just 3 smart 5 me ghostguy. Spooky!

 

[Thunderlips]

Doc also mouthed off to one of the guards...so that's gotta factor into his thinking that they may discard him if other doc us healthy.

I just don't buy a woman being ok with these guys raping people but I guess you can't always have a male bad guy...so this is their solution.

Problem is that it's just not believable. Why would the guards accept her as leader? You've got a guard actually mouthing off about how it would be best to have another leader...anyone but her...right in front of her. I just didn't buy her being leader. Where is her power? What is the consequence of not taking her orders if you're a guard?

Right...she should have popped him in the dome right there.