***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (5 Viewers)

[El Floppo]

Three episodes in on the DVR, lots of eye rolling so far.

So you need to kill one man and in Ep 1 he's(dumb enough to be) standing in front of you(a big group of people with guns) and you chat with him instead of just unloading?

That Hoard moved pretty quick??

Gabriel trying to rescue Gregory???

Aim with arrows has greatly improved while aim with guns has gone to ####????

The sudden development of conscience and not killing the saviors, instead taking them prisoner and putting everyone at risk????? Oh and lets fight Morgan over this stupidity.

I could go on. . . .

We are really jumping the shark with a lot of the uber dumb decisions made so far in this season. I'm a TWD lifer and will likely continue to watch no matter what but this season is rough. Can't wait to go back in this thread and see the commentary  

why you gotta hate? anybody with criticism should stop watching the show apparently- at least according to the apologists who admit needing to turn the brain off into sleep/moron mode to tolerate it.

fwiw... it doesn't really get better. since you're a fan like me, you'll end up watching all the episodes... but I can tell you that you could pretty much just skip to the finale and not miss anything.

 

[gianmarco]

It's just so bad.

I do love the perfect bite mark on Carl. Because other people get ripped to shreds on instant contact but this one was nice enough to put an even bite mark and stop before breaking through the skin too much.

 

[Kraft...]

Done, pretty meh, lots of dumbness. I fast forwarded through some stuff but, as I said, I will continue to watch. 

So we never learned what Eugene's "plan" was to get past the walkers? Just shoot at them??

Rick has a gun after fighting Negan but runs away instead of shooting him??? 

 

[wlwiles]

Back half of season 8 returns this Sunday.  Just read online that we're getting a new showrunner in Season 9.  https://t.co/kVw5wLLqvL 

I know absolutely nothing about this new lady, but personally I'm ecstatic that it won't be Gimple anymore. 

 

[Skipdog77]

Back half of season 8 returns this Sunday.  Just read online that we're getting a new showrunner in Season 9.  https://t.co/kVw5wLLqvL 

I know absolutely nothing about this new lady, but personally I'm ecstatic that it won't be Gimple anymore. 

Don't get too excited...all indicators are that she is a Gimple lackey.

 

[tommyboy]

Still not gimple

 

[wlwiles]

Don't get too excited...all indicators are that she is a Gimple lackey.

I'm certainly not expecting her to turn this show into BrBa or anything, but holding out hope that some improvement is coming

 

[Skipdog77]

I'm certainly not expecting her to turn this show into BrBa or anything, but holding out hope that some improvement is coming

We can only hope.

 

[pantherclub]

30 minutes out and does anyone even care at this point?  Are our expectations so low that we are in a wait and see mode to even talk about the episode?

 

[Corporation]

I was wondering if it was coming on tonight or next week.  I don't recall such low hype for one of the returns.

 

[The Big Guy]

I am looking forward to seeing how Rick can make another terrible plan and get it implemented without any pushback by his folks.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

I sure hope we get some Garbage Pail Kids.  Maybe even a whole backstory on them

 

[TLEF316]

It's so bad and I said I was done after the midyear. But I kinda want to watch tonight just to see how bad it is

 

[stbugs]

I sure hope we get some Garbage Pail Kids.  Maybe even a whole backstory on them

I've never been less interested in the show coming back. I'll watch it when I watch it. I never used to DVR it even when it was getting meh, but this past half season I barely watched the last few. I'll probably check in here to see if it's worth watching.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

ill keep watching until its off the air for good...i always finish what i start lol

 

[modogg]

got my volume turned WAAYYYY up, and i might have understood a few sentences 30 minutes into this. Why can they not get this right? i know they need to be mysterious or whatever, but i can't remember another show where you have to try so hard to hear what people are saying

 

[El Floppo]

It's so bad and I said I was done after the midyear. But I kinda want to watch tonight just to see how bad it is

In spite of how bad it's been, I'll watch because I foolishly hope it'll get back to being better

 

[JohnnyU]

Damn Coral die already

 

[James Bond]

got my volume turned WAAYYYY up, and i might have understood a few sentences 30 minutes into this. Why can they not get this right? i know they need to be mysterious or whatever, but i can't remember another show where you have to try so hard to hear what people are saying

And it's so dark that you can't hardly see anything.

 

[knowledge dropper]

got my volume turned WAAYYYY up, and i might have understood a few sentences 30 minutes into this. Why can they not get this right? i know they need to be mysterious or whatever, but i can't remember another show where you have to try so hard to hear what people are saying

That’s funny. I thought it was just me.  I had to turn on closed captioning.   

 

[BustedKnuckles]

got my volume turned WAAYYYY up, and i might have understood a few sentences 30 minutes into this. Why can they not get this right? i know they need to be mysterious or whatever, but i can't remember another show where you have to try so hard to hear what people are saying

closed caption is your friend

 

[The Dude]

That sucked

 

[James Bond]

Chandler Riggs is on Talking Dead tonight. With his hair cut he looks like he's 10 years old.

 

[El Floppo]

Glad I used cc.

heavy (handed and otherwise) stuff. Glad they gave coral a proper sending out, and imo a decently done episode. Once again some nicely filmed scenes with well shot atmospheric lighting.

that said... after all that, the saviors just shot their way out? That's how they got out and also took over the other camps? Low ammo just a... ruse? Red herring? Mistake? so stupid. And even though I couldn't ask for more of send off, still idiotic tv to die by zombie bite at this point of the series.

 

[modogg]

Glad I used cc.

heavy (handed and otherwise) stuff. Glad they gave coral a proper sending out, and imo a decently done episode. Once again some nicely filmed scenes with well shot atmospheric lighting.

that said... after all that, the saviors just shot their way out? That's how they got out and also took over the other camps? Low ammo just a... ruse? Red herring? Mistake? so stupid. And even though I couldn't ask for more of send off, still idiotic tv to die by zombie bite at this point of the series.

I don't know what to think about the send-off for Carl. Thought them flipping back and forth from the Carl death scene and Morgan having his 30th internal dilemna with if he should be a ruthless killer or a pacifist was distracting. i get they were trying to show some comparison there, but Carl was the top 1 or 2 figure on the show. thought he should have a solid 10-15 minutes of just that scene. But maybe that would have seemed off too

 

[BigJim®]

I enjoyed the episode. Yeah, a person could waste time wondering how a common sense and simple Team Neegan escape was so dreaded, or how much explosives they used on a vacant Alexandria, but I really don't care. I still enjoy the show and will no doubt be disappointed when it ends. If I understand right, the Carl death means departure from comics, and I don't mind that. It's tough avoiding spoilers based on the comic book knowers, and personally I prefer watching something that has an uncertain script. I thought they did a good job laying the groundwork for Rick not to be sucking his thumb devastated... with he and Michone somewhat coming to terms with it before the death even occurred. I definitely prefer watching homicidal Morgan.

 

[snogger]

That was probably one of the best episode in the last 2 or 3 seasons.
Thought they did a great job with Carl's send off and closing the two "Flash Forwards" of Rick and what turned out to be Carl's Dream of a Flash Forward. The ending "dream sequence" of Negan with Ricks daughter in the garden was just a bit creepy.

I was worried they were going to return to the failed "One view" episodes and spend the entire time on Carl's death. So, I enjoyed the fact they moved around to different story lines to keep the tension building.

Didn't fully understand holding "The King" by a truck while they put out fires and whatever else they were doing. I know it was to setup the final confrontation, but could have come up with a better way then "Hey, before we leave we should put out these burning barrels in the middle of the street which will cause NO damage to anything else" ..

All and all, I enjoyed the episode and plan to re-watch it again to catch what I might have missed the first time around.

ETA,  .. Forgot to mention the disembowelment.. Dam Morgan

 

[Bossman]

Holy Heel this was awful.

I like the fact that they explained how Carl got bit. I thought I missed something in the last episode.

I'm trying to understand why Negan is blowing up every other house in Alexandria.

Doesn't he need a place to live now? Seems he would move right in. Solar power, hot water, septic, a 30 ft wall with a gate ... na, blow it up.

The thought of Morgan and old lady Carol tearing thru all of Negan's  bad azzes seems comical ... so I guess that fits. Oh, and a little boy with a stick too.

Truth be told, I'm looking at my laptop and not the tv thru most of this episode. I've become very un-interested. So maybe I missed some stuff.

 

[pantherclub]

Wait coral killed himself?

also return of the garbage pail kids next week. Yay

 

[Jayrok]

Glad I used cc.

heavy (handed and otherwise) stuff. Glad they gave coral a proper sending out, and imo a decently done episode. Once again some nicely filmed scenes with well shot atmospheric lighting.

that said... after all that, the saviors just shot their way out? That's how they got out and also took over the other camps? Low ammo just a... ruse? Red herring? Mistake? so stupid. And even though I couldn't ask for more of send off, still idiotic tv to die by zombie bite at this point of the series.

When they were pinned in they didn't want to waste all of their ammo (on hand) to shoot the zombies because they were low so they tried to lure them away with the "fat lady singing" but that fell through.  Eugene tells Negan that if he gets his machines in order, he can make new bullets/ammo going forward to replenish anything they lose now.  So Negan approved the plan.  

Instead of shooting them all his plan was to carve a path with dead walkers just so they can exit the building and get to their other caches of ammo (maybe in locations not known to Rick; not the outposts).  They may have had other weapons/ammo caches but Saviors on the outside couldn't get them into the Sanctuary.  They tried with the 50 caliber machine gun. They took over the other camps and Alexandria after restocking/regrouping, I would guess.  

 

[Jayrok]

I thought it was a good enough episode.  Glad it was revealed that the dream sequence was Carl's vision.  

Agree that the homicidal Morgan is the best Morgan.  

What I don't understand is why Carol and Ezekiel care so much about saving that creep, Gavin, when wasting any and all of his henchmen comes so easy and without thought.  Maybe Carol thought Gavin, if captured, could be used as a bargaining chip since he's a Lt of Negan.  But it was just weird how she got all compassionate telling Morgan "you don't want to do this."  Come on, Carol.  

 

[snogger]

Glad I used cc.

heavy (handed and otherwise) stuff. Glad they gave coral a proper sending out, and imo a decently done episode. Once again some nicely filmed scenes with well shot atmospheric lighting.

that said... after all that, the saviors just shot their way out? That's how they got out and also took over the other camps? Low ammo just a... ruse? Red herring? Mistake? so stupid. And even though I couldn't ask for more of send off, still idiotic tv to die by zombie bite at this point of the series.

When they were pinned in they didn't want to waste all of their ammo (on hand) to shoot the zombies because they were low so they tried to lure them away with the "fat lady singing" but that fell through.  Eugene tells Negan that if he gets his machines in order, he can make new bullets/ammo going forward to replenish anything they lose now.  So Negan approved the plan.  

Instead of shooting them all his plan was to carve a path with dead walkers just so they can exit the building and get to their other caches of ammo (maybe in locations not known to Rick; not the outposts).  They may have had other weapons/ammo caches but Saviors on the outside couldn't get them into the Sanctuary.  They tried with the 50 caliber machine gun. They took over the other camps and Alexandria after restocking/regrouping, I would guess.  

I think MANY missed the Eugene part about making more Ammo.

 

[snogger]

I thought it was a good enough episode.  Glad it was revealed that the dream sequence was Carl's vision.  

Agree that the homicidal Morgan is the best Morgan.  

What I don't understand is why Carol and Ezekiel care so much about saving that creep, Gavin, when wasting any and all of his henchmen comes so easy and without thought.  Maybe Carol thought Gavin, if captured, could be used as a bargaining chip since he's a Lt of Negan.  But it was just weird how she got all compassionate telling Morgan "you don't want to do this."  Come on, Carol.  

a "lieutenant" could come in handy as we near the end of the war.. Much like the reason Maggie kept those at Hill-top.. Bargaining/ Keep away cards.

The Compassion from Carol is that she was brought back from the "Dark side" by Morgan during his "Kumbaya" time and thus she wanted to keep him from fully committing to the "Dark side"..

 

[Jayrok]

Holy Heel this was awful.

I like the fact that they explained how Carl got bit. I thought I missed something in the last episode.

I'm trying to understand why Negan is blowing up every other house in Alexandria.

Doesn't he need a place to live now? Seems he would move right in. Solar power, hot water, septic, a 30 ft wall with a gate ... na, blow it up.

The thought of Morgan and old lady Carol tearing thru all of Negan's  bad azzes seems comical ... so I guess that fits. Oh, and a little boy with a stick too.

Truth be told, I'm looking at my laptop and not the tv thru most of this episode. I've become very un-interested. So maybe I missed some stuff.

The Sanctuary is where all the workers live and work.. on the factory floor.  They've already demonstrated that they have no faith in the lieutenants and was ready to rebel when they thought Negan might be dead.  One of the last episodes before the break showed why Negan was so important to keeping order and their way of life.  

If he moved to Alexandria, he wouldn't be there to keep things in line.  He joked in one episode a season or two back that he might take one of the houses there as a vacation home.  

Gavin told the Kingdom people that he and his crew were going to move in to the Kingdom since their outpost was destroyed.  And the Kingdom people were going to be trucked to the Sanctuary to repair and refurbish the place for Negan and those that live there.  

 

[Jayrok]

They haven't revealed anything more about the helicopter Rick saw fly over head when he was on his way to the trash heap.  Wonder where that was from/going.  

And Aaron and Enid in their pickle at Oceanside.  

 

[snogger]

They haven't revealed anything more about the helicopter Rick saw fly over head when he was on his way to the trash heap.  Wonder where that was from/going.  

And Aaron and Enid in their pickle at Oceanside.  

They've teased Helicopters since Season 2. At some point it will be revealed it is Lori watching over how well the grass cutters are doing.

 

[Krankie]

Stopped watching last year and noticed it was on last night, so flipped it on... After 15 minutes realized I was right and shut off the TV. zzzzzzzz

 

[El Floppo]

Glad I used cc.

heavy (handed and otherwise) stuff. Glad they gave coral a proper sending out, and imo a decently done episode. Once again some nicely filmed scenes with well shot atmospheric lighting.

that said... after all that, the saviors just shot their way out? That's how they got out and also took over the other camps? Low ammo just a... ruse? Red herring? Mistake? so stupid. And even though I couldn't ask for more of send off, still idiotic tv to die by zombie bite at this point of the series.

When they were pinned in they didn't want to waste all of their ammo (on hand) to shoot the zombies because they were low so they tried to lure them away with the "fat lady singing" but that fell through.  Eugene tells Negan that if he gets his machines in order, he can make new bullets/ammo going forward to replenish anything they lose now.  So Negan approved the plan.  

Instead of shooting them all his plan was to carve a path with dead walkers just so they can exit the building and get to their other caches of ammo (maybe in locations not known to Rick; not the outposts).  They may have had other weapons/ammo caches but Saviors on the outside couldn't get them into the Sanctuary.  They tried with the 50 caliber machine gun. They took over the other camps and Alexandria after restocking/regrouping, I would guess.  

I think MANY missed the Eugene part about making more Ammo.

or the part this episode when Dwight said there wasn't barely any ammo and that they should wait them out before making a run for Hilltop. one of those.

honestly- nobody missed eugene and negan talking about making more ammo. I know they play loose and fast with time here (judith seems to have aged a year or so since the break), but those scenes discussing the need to make ammo happened just prior and during the zombie invasion of sanctuary. when in your minds did all this ammo making happen? after the fat lady singing? and did it happen without Dwight knowing?

 

[El Floppo]

They haven't revealed anything more about the helicopter Rick saw fly over head when he was on his way to the trash heap.  Wonder where that was from/going.  

And Aaron and Enid in their pickle at Oceanside.  

or gabriel.

I honestly don't even remember that well... eugene helped him and the doctor escape? 

I've been rewatching The Wire and forgot how good gabriel and tyrese were in that. significantly better writing helps a lot in that regard... which is more about the crazily high level The Wire was working at more than the mid level TWD is at.

 

[pantherclub]

After thinking about this episode again all I can see is that this show is all over the place and not really centralized or solidly moving forward.  A new showrunner has to see this disorganized mess and correct into the new seasons.

The whole Morgan sniper then running then randomly meeting Carol of the Kingdom and then taking out the Saviors (why were they still there not in force) was just choppy and hard to follow.  ALso the King trying to save people, Morgan going in and out of crazy is all just getting too old.  This episode IMO would have been much better if they just had carl die in the first 5 minutes instead of literally dragging it out the whole show

 

[Jayrok]

The ammo hasn't been made yet.  It was a promise that he could make it after things got under control.  I don't think Dwight knew about the conversation between Eugene and Negan.  Negan told the group of LTs that Eugene had a plan for the future but didn't elaborate.  Instead, he thought Eugene was going to reveal the rat, but Eugene decided not to oust Dwight and said he could fix the intercoms.  As far as Dwight knew, the caches of ammo and what they had on hand were all they had, and what they had on hand was low.  

 

[El Floppo]

I thought it was a good enough episode.  Glad it was revealed that the dream sequence was Carl's vision.  

Agree that the homicidal Morgan is the best Morgan.  

What I don't understand is why Carol and Ezekiel care so much about saving that creep, Gavin, when wasting any and all of his henchmen comes so easy and without thought.  Maybe Carol thought Gavin, if captured, could be used as a bargaining chip since he's a Lt of Negan.  But it was just weird how she got all compassionate telling Morgan "you don't want to do this."  Come on, Carol.  

to me, this is how TWD writers and directors work with heavy hands. they often write and edit contrasting scenes on top of each other to hit the viewer over the head about whatever theme they're espousing that week. coral's pacific redemption vs morgan's continuation of violence... and in case the viewers somehow can't figure it out, they have any character regardless of personality there to tell you (carol in this case especially).

I'm also glad the flash forward was corals and not rick's. and glad that it's over. for all the money and talent they spend on make-up in this series on the zombies- that comical beard and hair was the best they could do for Rick? 

 

[Jayrok]

or gabriel.

I honestly don't even remember that well... eugene helped him and the doctor escape? 

I've been rewatching The Wire and forgot how good gabriel and tyrese were in that. significantly better writing helps a lot in that regard... which is more about the crazily high level The Wire was working at more than the mid level TWD is at.

Yeah, Eugene left keys to a car for the Dr. and Gabriel to drive to Hilltop.  He did this after wrestling with it in his mind, drinking his shot glass of... wine.  

 

[El Floppo]

The ammo hasn't been made yet.  It was a promise that he could make it after things got under control.  I don't think Dwight knew about the conversation between Eugene and Negan.  Negan told the group of LTs that Eugene had a plan for the future but didn't elaborate.  Instead, he thought Eugene was going to reveal the rat, but Eugene decided not to oust Dwight and said he could fix the intercoms.  As far as Dwight knew, the caches of ammo and what they had on hand were all they had, and what they had on hand was low.  

then how did they make it out of sanctuary when it was previous made out to be such a big deal? I know they had their wall o' zombies plan... but it still doesn't go towards explaining this difference to me. I don't have a big problem ignoring the reality of finite resources like bullets, gas or potable water, if it's consistent within the world they've created. but here, either they're crazily low or not... and they made a big point of talking about how low they were. playing it both ways to suit the short term plot line is crappy writing to me.

 

[Jayrok]

to me, this is how TWD writers and directors work with heavy hands. they often write and edit contrasting scenes on top of each other to hit the viewer over the head about whatever theme they're espousing that week. coral's pacific redemption vs morgan's continuation of violence... and in case the viewers somehow can't figure it out, they have any character regardless of personality there to tell you (carol in this case especially).

I'm also glad the flash forward was corals and not rick's. and glad that it's over. for all the money and talent they spend on make-up in this series on the zombies- that comical beard and hair was the best they could do for Rick? 

I admit that I picked up on some things that I was hazy on by watching the last several episodes of this season that led up to the premiere last night.  They do end up confusing viewers by chopping/splicing scenes and story lines.  But I like the show and will stay tuned to see where they go.  

I do wish they'd drop the talking dead.  That show really sucks but my wife insists on watching it.  I pass on it.  

 

[El Floppo]

Holy Heel this was awful.

I like the fact that they explained how Carl got bit. I thought I missed something in the last episode.

I'm trying to understand why Negan is blowing up every other house in Alexandria.

Doesn't he need a place to live now? Seems he would move right in. Solar power, hot water, septic, a 30 ft wall with a gate ... na, blow it up.

The thought of Morgan and old lady Carol tearing thru all of Negan's  bad azzes seems comical ... so I guess that fits. Oh, and a little boy with a stick too.

Truth be told, I'm looking at my laptop and not the tv thru most of this episode. I've become very un-interested. So maybe I missed some stuff.

The Sanctuary is where all the workers live and work.. on the factory floor.  They've already demonstrated that they have no faith in the lieutenants and was ready to rebel when they thought Negan might be dead.  One of the last episodes before the break showed why Negan was so important to keeping order and their way of life.  

If he moved to Alexandria, he wouldn't be there to keep things in line.  He joked in one episode a season or two back that he might take one of the houses there as a vacation home.  

Gavin told the Kingdom people that he and his crew were going to move in to the Kingdom since their outpost was destroyed.  And the Kingdom people were going to be trucked to the Sanctuary to repair and refurbish the place for Negan and those that live there.  

your logic is sound, but I had the same thoughts with bossman here.

alexandria was the ideal environment for this story- solar energy, new homes, water filtration and sewage. yeah, the wall has the damned supports on the wrong side and they need crops- but otherwise, this is zombie apocalypse shangrila. I'd think negan would've just moved himself and his top dogs in and kept other trusted lieutenants at sanctuary to oversee the workers. and tbh- what are the workers actually working on? seems more like they're bartering stuff that negan's crew bring in. are they building things? growing things? I honestly don't know the answer to that- but what I recall is them having more of a marketplace than any actual production facility.

 

[snogger]

The ammo hasn't been made yet.  It was a promise that he could make it after things got under control.  I don't think Dwight knew about the conversation between Eugene and Negan.  Negan told the group of LTs that Eugene had a plan for the future but didn't elaborate.  Instead, he thought Eugene was going to reveal the rat, but Eugene decided not to oust Dwight and said he could fix the intercoms.  As far as Dwight knew, the caches of ammo and what they had on hand were all they had, and what they had on hand was low.  

then how did they make it out of sanctuary when it was previous made out to be such a big deal? I know they had their wall o' zombies plan... but it still doesn't go towards explaining this difference to me. I don't have a big problem ignoring the reality of finite resources like bullets, gas or potable water, if it's consistent within the world they've created. but here, either they're crazily low or not... and they made a big point of talking about how low they were. playing it both ways to suit the short term plot line is crappy writing to me.

I think you are confusing things a bit here..

They didn't want to shoot their way out as they were "low" on ammo and had no way of knowing how to get more if they used it all up to kill off the Zombie Swarm and/or taking over Alexandria and The Kingdom.

Then Eugene let Negan know that with the right equipment they could make more ammo.
Meaning, feel free to use all you want now, we will make more later to resupply.

 

[El Floppo]

I admit that I picked up on some things that I was hazy on by watching the last several episodes of this season that led up to the premiere last night.  They do end up confusing viewers by chopping/splicing scenes and story lines.  But I like the show and will stay tuned to see where they go.  

I do wish they'd drop the talking dead.  That show really sucks but my wife insists on watching it.  I pass on it.  

yeah- I dropped the talking dead almost immediately. 

the point I was trying to make about the writing isn't about the choppiness or it being confusing- it's that the writers lack subtlety and hit the viewers over the head with themes by writing and editing together contrasting stories and characters to show opposing view points. 

 

[Jayrok]

then how did they make it out of sanctuary when it was previous made out to be such a big deal? I know they had their wall o' zombies plan... but it still doesn't go towards explaining this difference to me. I don't have a big problem ignoring the reality of finite resources like bullets, gas or potable water, if it's consistent within the world they've created. but here, either they're crazily low or not... and they made a big point of talking about how low they were. playing it both ways to suit the short term plot line is crappy writing to me.

I think they had ammunition caches (albeit small amounts) outside of the sanctuary and only used the ammo they had inside to fight the walkers inside and to make that path to escape.  Negan was reluctant to use their ammo before Eugene's plan because he (a) didn't think he had enough to shoot their way out and (b) have any left over to mount a proper offensive to turn the tide back on their side.  Once outside, they gathered the ammo needed to raid the communities.  They didn't worry about having ammo "after" everything was over because Negan trusted that Eugene wasn't lying to him when he said he could make more.  In Negan's eyes it was a balsy move to make and if Eugene was lying, they'd be up #### creek.  

What I don't understand is why Rick's plan didn't include removing all the vehicles from outside the sanctuary (or destroying them) just in case the saviors made it out.  Same goes for Daryl's side plan.  Why in the hell would they leave a rolling convoy of trucks.   Or maybe those trucks were stored elsewhere unknown to Rick/Daryl.  

 

[El Floppo]

I think you are confusing things a bit here..

They didn't want to shoot their way out as they were "low" on ammo and had no way of knowing how to get more if they used it all up to kill off the Zombie Swarm.

Then Eugene let Negan know that with the right equipment they could make more ammo.
Meaning, feel free to use all you want now, we will make more later to resupply.

could be. not at all how I read the previous episodes and their discussion of this- the war was diminishing their bullet capacity to almost zero and they needed ammo immediately, so eugene was going to ultimately solve that. not knowing if they had enough to shoot their way out (let alone have enough after that to defeat the rest of Rick's army). I don't think I did, but I admit I could've missed some very specific dialogue backing up your side of this- happy to be proven wrong with some links.