***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (5 Viewers)

[JohnnyU]

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Don't click this link if you don't want to know big news that will affect the Walking Dead after Season 9.

Spoiler for Season 9

Edited:  Never mind, I see the badmojo post above already spilled the beans.  I tried to be discreet.  

 

[NewlyRetired]

Rick and almost certainly Maggie leaving has to be the end of the show. 

Both are only going to be in 6 episodes this season it sounds like.

This is what happens when you write a serialized show with no defined ending.  I so much more prefer arc shows.  I hate shows that die simply because the writers could not or would not create a defined ending to work towards.

 

[JohnnyU]

Too many characters, too many years (especially when one of the top few main characters was like 7 years old and should only be like 10 by now, but was like 18).  Most of the actors were not well known at all heading into this, now they are, and there is no way to keep everyone around and still actually make money. 

Just not sustainable.   Too ambitious.  Amazed they made it 9 years this way.

Bring back Glenn and abraham (dream sequence).  Now that would be jumping the shark.

 

[JohnnyU]

Rick and almost certainly Maggie leaving has to be the end of the show. 

Both are only going to be in 6 episodes this season it sounds like.

This is what happens when you write a serialized show with no defined ending.  I so much more prefer arc shows.  I hate shows that die simply because the writers could not or would not create a defined ending to work towards.

I don't like shows with a predefined ending either.   Or at least not one predefined early in the series.  That's sure not what they did with TV yesteryear and there were plenty of great series.

 

[JohnnyU]

Rick and almost certainly Maggie leaving has to be the end of the show. 

What indications do you have that Maggie will leave the show?

 

[NewlyRetired]

I don't like shows with a predefined ending either.  

Not me. 

Give me The Wire, The Soprano's, Buffy, Babylon 5, Breaking Bad, Battlestar Galactica type stories any day over stories that never end and seemingly have no plan outside of "lets just do another season."

 

[NewlyRetired]

What indications do you have that Maggie will leave the show?

she only signed on for 6 episodes this season and even that was a huge struggle to get her signed for even that limited amount. 

 

[JohnnyU]

Not me. 

Give me The Wire, The Soprano's, Buffy, Babylon 5, Breaking Bad, Battlestar Galactica type stories any day over stories that never end and seemingly have no plan outside of "lets just do another season."

Tell that to Gunsmoke fans

 

[JohnnyU]

she only signed on for 6 episodes this season and even that was a huge struggle to get her signed for even that limited amount. 

Perhaps she's just busy this year with another project.  That doesn't mean she will be in the future.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Perhaps she's just busy this year with another project.  That doesn't mean she will be in the future.

she is starting a new series. 

Her contract with Walking Dead, according to this article, ends at mid season, so we should be able to determine then what the future plans are for her on the show.

http://comicbook.com/thewalkingdead/2018/05/29/the-walking-dead-lauren-cohan-maggie-season-9/

 

[NewlyRetired]

Tell that to Gunsmoke fans

I would but I don't think any are alive any more.

 

[JohnnyU]

I would but I don't think any are alive any more.

Good comeback.

 

[JohnnyU]

she is starting a new series. 

Her contract with Walking Dead, according to this article, ends at mid season, so we should be able to determine then what the future plans are for her on the show.

http://comicbook.com/thewalkingdead/2018/05/29/the-walking-dead-lauren-cohan-maggie-season-9/

I wouldn't care if they got a whole new cast.   It would only make it more interesting if it was a good cast.

 

[Buckna]

Not me. 

Give me The Wire, The Soprano's, Buffy, Babylon 5, Breaking Bad, Battlestar Galactica type stories any day over stories that never end and seemingly have no plan outside of "lets just do another season."

I'd say it's nice that those shows planned out their final season because they either knew they weren't getting renewed(Buffy) or they realized the story was reaching a natural conclusion(Breaking Bad), but most were the definition of season to season storytelling with no real plan (like the vast majority of tv shows.) B5 was the only one named that went into it with an actual plan to do 5 seasons only, and ironically shoved most of their 5 seasons material into 4 when they knew they were getting cancelled (and then got a new lease on life at TNT for a hollow 5th season.) FarScape is another great example of B5 storytelling with a defined beginning, middle and end, although they too got cancelled after the 4th season with their final 5th season already planned out (at least it got tied up in a made for tv movie.)

Despite so much of season 2 talking about the "Cylon's plan," the BSG showrunner admitted after the finale aired that they never actually had a plan on where the show was going. For instance, the "Final 5" Cylons at the end of season 3 they didn't have planned out ahead of time, they totally picked those characters because they thought it made for a good mind ####. In the end, Ron Moore said they didn't know how to end it so he locked himself in a cabin one weekend and wrote the 3 part finale. I'd also say Soprano's and Buffy in particular dragged out way too long IMO, Buffy should have ended after season 5 (Once More, With Feeling episode not withstanding.)

The Walking Dead is hard to say if it should be tied up or not in such a way, the source material is still going on and Kirkman has said he has always envisioned it as a story that could continue on forever. Although that doesn't mean that concept makes for a great tv show.

 

[Buckna]

Also... sucks that so many of the cast is leaving. According to internet rumors, its not just Rick and Maggie.

 

[pantherclub]

Also... sucks that so many of the cast is leaving. According to internet rumors, its not just Rick and Maggie.

by sucks you mean its awesome?  This show needs a total makeover

 

[El Floppo]

by sucks you mean its awesome?  This show needs a total makeover

Aka FTWD...except, writers.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I hate shows that die simply because the writers could not or would not create a defined ending to work towards.

I haven't watched an episode of this show in two years, but we were complaining about the quality of the writing way back in the beginning and it never improved.  For me personally, it hit a nadir with Glen And The Magical Dumpster and I checked out shortly after that.  I'm kind of assuming that this is now the end, but hey who knows.

 

[Skipdog77]

Spoiler

Only way for this to end is with Rick's head on a Whisperer's pike.

And Maggie's. 

 

[Tick]

Aka FTWD...except, writers.

IMO FTWD has taken a sharp turn for the better this season.

If Rick leaves, they should just end the show and start another one from day 1 again.  Only Norman Reedus would be left as an intriguing character anyway.

 

[travdogg]

Rick and almost certainly Maggie leaving has to be the end of the show. 

Both are only going to be in 6 episodes this season it sounds like.

This is what happens when you write a serialized show with no defined ending.  I so much more prefer arc shows.  I hate shows that die simply because the writers could not or would not create a defined ending to work towards.

Honestly, between Rick, Maggie, and Morgan all leaving or being scaled back, they probably should have had Negan and the Saviors win the war. Then have Darryl, Carol, and whomever else survived, being hunted down by the Saviors, and having to fend off zombies while constantly being on the run.

 

[Faust]

'Walking Dead': How the Season 9 Trailer Sets Up Andrew Lincoln's Exit

 

[stbugs]

I haven't watched an episode of this show in two years, but we were complaining about the quality of the writing way back in the beginning and it never improved.  For me personally, it hit a nadir with Glen And The Magical Dumpster and I checked out shortly after that.  I'm kind of assuming that this is now the end, but hey who knows.

Glen and the dumpster wasn’t even close to a nadir. That at least had a shot where we saw there was room for him and he had someone to use as bait. If that’s what you thought was the nadir, you really missed some special sauce. 

 

[Dan Lambskin]

I didn’t think it could get worse but I was wrong 

i think the writers are just trolling us at this point

 

[James Bond]

What amazes me is that, if you watch Talking Dead, the writers and actors seem to think that it is anything but the disaster that it is. Too much of a mutual admiration society. It's just fallen so far.

 

[stbugs]

I didn’t think it could get worse but I was wrong 

i think the writers are just trolling us at this point

My son stopped watching with me before last season and I decided to keep trudging on. This already makes me want to just give up. It’s sucks because he’s going to college next fall and this show was our Sunday night when it was good.

 

[brun]

Going to the Smithsonian, for that stuff? Maybe I'm missing something, but that's gotta be one of the more farfetched decisions the group (Rick?) has made.

 

[stbugs]

Going to the Smithsonian, for that stuff? Maybe I'm missing something, but that's gotta be one of the more farfetched decisions the group (Rick?) has made.

I’ve only watched the first 10 minutes and I wondering the same about that stupid canoe. How many outdoor stores in the metro DC area? Pretty sure canoes weren’t high on the survival scale. There should be hundreds of available stores for things like that. Now that you are just dealing with dead, should be ridiculously easy to get stuff that wouldn’t have gone bad and/or been used up.

 

[playin4beer]

Forgot it was even on last night... And previously when I hadn't watched an episode yet, I'd avoid this thread until I watched it... Now I'm in here reading about what happened to see whether or not I want to waste my time watching it... That's how far it's fallen for me...

 

[brun]

I’ve only watched the first 10 minutes and I wondering the same about that stupid canoe. How many outdoor stores in the metro DC area? Pretty sure canoes weren’t high on the survival scale. There should be hundreds of available stores for things like that. Now that you are just dealing with dead, should be ridiculously easy to get stuff that wouldn’t have gone bad and/or been used up.

Yeah. I thought, you could get lots of different canoes, made for different purposes, that would work better and weigh less than a dugout canoe. Part of me is hoping they go to an outdoor store to get paddles and  when they walk by the canoes. Maybe they bring the conestoga wagon and pass by a Uhaul and a garden center too.

 

[snogger]

Going to the Smithsonian, for that stuff? Maybe I'm missing something, but that's gotta be one of the more farfetched decisions the group (Rick?) has made.

I understand going there for the Seeds.. But the Canoe, wagon and plow were

 

[Skipdog77]

I understand going there for the Seeds.. But the Canoe, wagon and plow were

And why carry the plows over the cracking glass floor? Couldn't they have just lowered them over the railing on the staircase on the side to the solid floor? 

At this point I'm hoping Judith offs Rick in some particularly brutal fashion, and the last words he hears are..."that's for my real Daddy". 

 

[El Floppo]

But at least we get some divisive politics as the central theme...because we certainly need more of that from our so-called entertainment.

So much bad in that episode.

The wagon and canoe have been covered (i agree the seeds were worthwhile)...and are so dumb. but the glass floor at the bottom of a staircase? That of course is going to give way after supporting millions of visitors and machinery over the years. And of course the zombies are congregated right below.

And the kid who gets killed because of the swarm that they have to escape...until they decide to just kill it instead.

And the rules of how the zombies decide to go from stasis to ninja to growling... Still completely random and changing to suit only to drive really stupid plot points.

I honestly would have been happy seeing how they set up a small civilization for a while without all the idiotic plot devices. They've covered the small roamng groups and they've covered cartoon  and idiotic bad guys- I don't need to see any more of with tbh. Let's  see how civilization reboots and call it a series. They have have elements of that in place that first episode, which is keeping me in- but oof, the rest is just awful.

 

[brun]

I understand going there for the Seeds.. But the Canoe, wagon and plow were

I guess it wouldn't have occurred to me to go to the Smithsonian for seeds, even heirloom seeds. I would have just gone to a garden center for seeds, fertilizer, tools etc.

 

[El Floppo]

I guess it wouldn't have occurred to me to go to the Smithsonian for seeds, even heirloom seeds. I would have just gone to a garden center for seeds, fertilizer, tools etc.

I can accept that garden centers and sporting goods stores would have been picked clean by this point in the apocalypse. 

 

[Copeman]

Not sure why the stuff they got in the Smithsonian seemed absurd to you guys.  How much of that stuff do you see in the real world just laying around?  

 

[Dan Lambskin]

I also forgot how dumb it was for that Savior guy to call Rick by his full name

”Thank you Rick Grimes”

i mean who does that?

 

[snogger]

Not sure why the stuff they got in the Smithsonian seemed absurd to you guys.  How much of that stuff do you see in the real world just laying around?  

After an apocalypse?? Most of that stuff, other then the seeds, would be almost everywhere..

Unless the Amish, thanks to their non-technical ways, found a way to survive it.

 

[snogger]

But at least we get some divisive politics as the central theme...because we certainly need more of that from our so-called entertainment.

So much bad in that episode.

The wagon and canoe have been covered (i agree the seeds were worthwhile)...and are so dumb. but the glass floor at the bottom of a staircase? That of course is going to give way after supporting millions of visitors and machinery over the years. And of course the zombies are congregated right below.

And the kid who gets killed because of the swarm that they have to escape...until they decide to just kill it instead.

And the rules of how the zombies decide to go from stasis to ninja to growling... Still completely random and changing to suit only to drive really stupid plot points.

I honestly would have been happy seeing how they set up a small civilization for a while without all the idiotic plot devices. They've covered the small roamng groups and they've covered cartoon  and idiotic bad guys- I don't need to see any more of with tbh. Let's  see how civilization reboots and call it a series. They have have elements of that in place that first episode, which is keeping me in- but oof, the rest is just awful.

Well, at least they semi-answered the 9 year question regrading "Gas supply".. Ethanol to the rescue!!!!! Corn growers rejoice

 

[Dan Lambskin]

After an apocalypse?? Most of that stuff, other then the seeds, would be almost everywhere..

Unless the Amish, thanks to their non-technical ways, found a way to survive it.

Sorry I don’t see how anyone could construct a wagon and crude plow without having a physical example from 1850 

 

[Copeman]

After an apocalypse?? Most of that stuff, other then the seeds, would be almost everywhere..

Unless the Amish, thanks to their non-technical ways, found a way to survive it.

Most farms I've been on (and I've been on many) don't utilize that stuff anymore.  It's been years since any of that stuff has been on farms.

 

[snogger]

After an apocalypse?? Most of that stuff, other then the seeds, would be almost everywhere..

Unless the Amish, thanks to their non-technical ways, found a way to survive it.

Most farms I've been on (and I've been on many) don't utilize that stuff anymore.  It's been years since any of that stuff has been on farms.

Must not have any Amish communities near you.. There are many here in Wisconsin and old time plows, wagons, etc. are the norm there.

 

[Copeman]

Plenty of Amish near me just east and nw of me.  I'm sw PA, Many Amish in Ohio and central PA.

Not sure if any Amish near this group on the show.  I think much further North maybe in PA.

Closest to them would be ideal I would think (Smithsonian).

 

[El Floppo]

Most farms I've been on (and I've been on many) don't utilize that stuff anymore.  It's been years since any of that stuff has been on farms.

I thought the plow would be useful, and not necessarily easy to procure. But the wagon.. yeesh. They got there in a wagon in the first place, but they needed an old rickety wagon to see... Something.

 

[Copeman]

I thought the plow would be useful, and not necessarily easy to procure. But the wagon.. yeesh. They got there in a wagon in the first place, but they needed an old rickety wagon to see... Something.

How do you think they will transport things and people?  They will need as many as they can get their hands on.  

 

[El Floppo]

And the preview for next week... Looks like the writers will be using in-fighting to drive the plot. For me, stupid- we've seen this already. Something else please.

 

[El Floppo]

How do you think they will transport things and people?  They will need as many as they can get their hands on.  

They've already made a useful wagon. At this point, strip down any car and wala.  Risking life and limb to procure a museum prop? Dumb. 

 

[Copeman]

They've already made a useful wagon. At this point, strip down any car and wala.  Risking life and limb to procure a museum prop? Dumb. 

So one wagon for everyone at all of the locations?

 

[El Floppo]

So one wagon for everyone at all of the locations?

Any car is a wagon at this point. Strip it down- as you might have missed in my post- add a hitch and a horse...WALA

eta... The horses are the more useful resource than eagons at this point

 

[Copeman]

And the preview for next week... Looks like the writers will be using in-fighting to drive the plot. For me, stupid- we've seen this already. Something else please.

What else is there?  We've had villains, in-fighting, mass zombies.  I can't think of what else. I'd like to just see them build society back up with some minor skirmishes with zombies and the occasional fight with humans who want to take their resources.