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Here's an NFL expert on twitter. The last reply is porn. It's has an NSFW tag so you have to click it to see it (which is preferable to the videos of penetration that just appear pretty much daily). Can anyone else see it? You may have to click "show additional replies" at the bottom.
yes, but you have to click the “show additional replies, some of which may be offensive” button. So caveat emptor? Plus, you have to be actively looking for reasons to be irritated if you are looking at any of the comments, let alone scrolling through all of them.
 

Here's an NFL expert on twitter. The last reply is porn. It's has an NSFW tag so you have to click it to see it (which is preferable to the videos of penetration that just appear pretty much daily). Can anyone else see it? You may have to click "show additional replies" at the bottom.
yes, but you have to click the “show additional replies, some of which may be offensive” button. So caveat emptor? Plus, you have to be actively looking for reasons to be irritated if you are looking at any of the comments, let alone scrolling through all of them.
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Plus, you have to be actively looking for reasons to be irritated if you are looking at any of the comments, let alone scrolling through all of them.
He's simply pointing out the existence of it in the replies, not recommending a way to enjoy Twitter.

And you're making his point for him. Like going into replies are such a wasteland, you must be looking for trouble.
The replies have always been a vile, wretched wasteland of humanity dating back way before Elon. Anyway, my main point was that he had to click through a warning to get to the reply in question.
 
Plus, you have to be actively looking for reasons to be irritated if you are looking at any of the comments, let alone scrolling through all of them.
He's simply pointing out the existence of it in the replies, not recommending a way to enjoy Twitter.

And you're making his point for him. Like going into replies are such a wasteland, you must be looking for trouble.
The replies have always been a vile, wretched wasteland of humanity dating back way before Elon. Anyway, my main point was that he had to click through a warning to get to the reply in question.
A lot of times you don't though. People here were saying they don't see porn at all on twitter. I saw this tonight on a football account and wanted to point it out because this is a football themed site. Stuff like this and much worse is all over twitter now and no, it did not used to be like this.
 

Here's an NFL expert on twitter. The last reply is porn. It's has an NSFW tag so you have to click it to see it (which is preferable to the videos of penetration that just appear pretty much daily). Can anyone else see it? You may have to click "show additional replies" at the bottom.
yes, but you have to click the “show additional replies, some of which may be offensive” button. So caveat emptor? Plus, you have to be actively looking for reasons to be irritated if you are looking at any of the comments, let alone scrolling through all of them.

I am not 100% sure, but I believe it only gets put behind that "show additional replies that might be offensive" button after the comment has been reported by some number of users, but before a human moderator has had a chance to look at it and see if it needs to be removed. So if you viewed the tweet before the comment was reported by several users, it wouldn't be hidden behind that button yet.
 
"Michelle" is trending right now on twitter. About 20 posts down in the top post section is hardcore penetration. Don't need to click through anything to see it. All you need to do is scroll down.
 

Here's an NFL expert on twitter. The last reply is porn. It's has an NSFW tag so you have to click it to see it (which is preferable to the videos of penetration that just appear pretty much daily). Can anyone else see it? You may have to click "show additional replies" at the bottom.
yes, but you have to click the “show additional replies, some of which may be offensive” button. So caveat emptor? Plus, you have to be actively looking for reasons to be irritated if you are looking at any of the comments, let alone scrolling through all of them.

I am not 100% sure, but I believe it only gets put behind that "show additional replies that might be offensive" button after the comment has been reported by some number of users, but before a human moderator has had a chance to look at it and see if it needs to be removed. So if you viewed the tweet before the comment was reported by several users, it wouldn't be hidden behind that button yet.
I believe that this is correct as I had clicked on the replies of a sports tweet earlier and the 2nd reply was a NSFW porn bot. It WAS blurred out with a button you’d have to click to see the content, but it the post wasn’t hidden by a button that you had to click to view more replies.
 

Here's an NFL expert on twitter. The last reply is porn. It's has an NSFW tag so you have to click it to see it (which is preferable to the videos of penetration that just appear pretty much daily). Can anyone else see it? You may have to click "show additional replies" at the bottom.
yes, but you have to click the “show additional replies, some of which may be offensive” button. So caveat emptor? Plus, you have to be actively looking for reasons to be irritated if you are looking at any of the comments, let alone scrolling through all of them.

I am not 100% sure, but I believe it only gets put behind that "show additional replies that might be offensive" button after the comment has been reported by some number of users, but before a human moderator has had a chance to look at it and see if it needs to be removed. So if you viewed the tweet before the comment was reported by several users, it wouldn't be hidden behind that button yet.
It’s been working just fine for me so far then, since that’s the first time I’ve seen a post like that and I had to affirmatively tell Twitter I was ready for the garbage to be able to see it in the first place.
 
I get fight videos, but no po
"Michelle" is trending right now on twitter. About 20 posts down in the top post section is hardcore penetration. Don't need to click through anything to see it. All you need to do is scroll down.
I see a bunch of tweets with Joan rivers but no port in there
Search Michelle and in top posts it's the 16th post down right now. It's like a 2 hour Asian xxx movie. It's like this every night.
 

Here's an NFL expert on twitter. The last reply is porn. It's has an NSFW tag so you have to click it to see it (which is preferable to the videos of penetration that just appear pretty much daily). Can anyone else see it? You may have to click "show additional replies" at the bottom.
Yes, I can see the posts you're referring to. But I had to click like four or five "show more replies" buttons to get there, plus another "show replies replies that might be offensive" button, then a "show me the NSFW material" button. That's kind of like blaming my web browser for showing me porn when I merely typed in the name of a porn site, hit enter, and started clicking on videos.
 
"Michelle" is trending right now on twitter. About 20 posts down in the top post section is hardcore penetration. Don't need to click through anything to see it. All you need to do is scroll down.

Sorry. Not happening on my end. Perhaps you need to clear out your browser history and cookies.
 

Here's an NFL expert on twitter. The last reply is porn. It's has an NSFW tag so you have to click it to see it (which is preferable to the videos of penetration that just appear pretty much daily). Can anyone else see it? You may have to click "show additional replies" at the bottom.
Yes, I can see the posts you're referring to. But I had to click like four or five "show more replies" buttons to get there, plus another "show replies replies that might be offensive" button, then a "show me the NSFW material" button. That's kind of like blaming my web browser for showing me porn when I merely typed in the name of a porn site, hit enter, and started clicking on videos.
Yes, again, in this case. I doubt Willie is going to post a link to hardcore porn on this site. He already said about 5 posts up about another encounter he found without a warning and he directed you to how you could see the example if you so choose.

I don’t know why you’re so eager to blame the users here (multiple times now you’ve done that) instead of the poor system that is now in place.
 
"Show more replies" was not always a gateway to hardcore. Among fantasy football posts, it usually was some version of "you dingleberry, Kirk Cousins ain't ****"
 

Here's an NFL expert on twitter. The last reply is porn. It's has an NSFW tag so you have to click it to see it (which is preferable to the videos of penetration that just appear pretty much daily). Can anyone else see it? You may have to click "show additional replies" at the bottom.
Yes, I can see the posts you're referring to. But I had to click like four or five "show more replies" buttons to get there, plus another "show replies replies that might be offensive" button, then a "show me the NSFW material" button. That's kind of like blaming my web browser for showing me porn when I merely typed in the name of a porn site, hit enter, and started clicking on videos.
Yes, again, in this case. I doubt Willie is going to post a link to hardcore porn on this site. He already said about 5 posts up about another encounter he found without a warning and he directed you to how you could see the example if you so choose.

I don’t know why you’re so eager to blame the users here (multiple times now you’ve done that) instead of the poor system that is now in place.
Not really blaming anybody for anything. Just pointing out that my experience with Twitter at the moment is apparently quite a bit different than yours, and speculating that it probably has something to do with the algorithm. I do believe you when you say that you're getting porn in your TL. But lots of us don't have that problem. That's why I tend to think that this is more of a "the algorithm needs tweaking" problem than anything else.

Edit: Also, just purely from a moderation standpoint, I would prefer for Twitter to allow porn as long as it's opt-in. I'm on the internet right now (obviously) and there are mountains of hardcore pornography just one click away. I'm at work so I'm not going to any of those sites, but I'm glad that we allow them to exist and don't try to police the online community over this sort of thing. If a sex worker wants to promote her OnlyFans site using Twitter, that's completely cool with me as long as the Block button works and the algorithm doesn't shove this content at me. I do understand that the price of that is that I'll occasionally see a boob here and there, just like you occasionally stumble over one while randomly browsing. I can live with that.
 
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I frequently seek out porn on Twitter but rarely if ever see it unsolicited, so that's odd I guess. But I almost never get into replies at all. However, I was scrolling through my timeline this morning when - completely unsolicited - I was confronted with a video of Lauren Boebert speaking. That was embarrassing. Completely uncalled for.
 
are we being fed the same tweets in trending topics? I have no doubt people are seeing what they claim. Is there curation going on

For me #10 is tongueouttuesday , figured it could be dicey but I’ve only dog tweets in both top & latest tweets.
 

Here's an NFL expert on twitter. The last reply is porn. It's has an NSFW tag so you have to click it to see it (which is preferable to the videos of penetration that just appear pretty much daily). Can anyone else see it? You may have to click "show additional replies" at the bottom.
yes, but you have to click the “show additional replies, some of which may be offensive” button. So caveat emptor? Plus, you have to be actively looking for reasons to be irritated if you are looking at any of the comments, let alone scrolling through all of them.

I am not 100% sure, but I believe it only gets put behind that "show additional replies that might be offensive" button after the comment has been reported by some number of users, but before a human moderator has had a chance to look at it and see if it needs to be removed. So if you viewed the tweet before the comment was reported by several users, it wouldn't be hidden behind that button yet.
That's right. I notice this happens more frequently on breaking news before the post presumably gets reported. Good thing that breaking news isn't the one big advantage Twitter had over other platforms....
 
I know he’s rich and all but he honestly has to be one of the dumbest men alive.
He’s so dumb he owns Tesla, Twitter/X(which he purchased to rival Paypal) and is sending rockets/satellites into space.
He purchased Twitter because he was legally obligated to. How is the current platform of Twitter any way shape or form a competitor to PayPayl?
I think there's quite a bit of space between "Twitter isn't quite ready to compete against PayPal at this point" and "Elon Musk is one of the dumbest men alive." The first sentence seems undeniably true and also makes for an interesting conversation about network effects, economies of scope across various genres of online businesses, the desirability of having your financial life connected to your social media identity, etc. The second is just ****-posting. We should stick to the more interesting stuff.
 
I was on the platform anonymously(as a lurker), now I'm not(lurkers not allowed).

Thanks. I understood what you meant. That was a big change for them.

Clearly the content you were seeing there wasn't much value to you.
Not enough for me to give my personal information to enrich a billionaire. I'm not on FB either. There was plenty of information on twitter I found useful and I had no problem with the site getting ad revenue off of my lurking,
if you use the internet..... at all..... your personal information is enriching billionaires already.
 
I was on the platform anonymously(as a lurker), now I'm not(lurkers not allowed).

Thanks. I understood what you meant. That was a big change for them.

Clearly the content you were seeing there wasn't much value to you.
Not enough for me to give my personal information to enrich a billionaire. I'm not on FB either. There was plenty of information on twitter I found useful and I had no problem with the site getting ad revenue off of my lurking,
if you use the internet..... at all..... your personal information is enriching billionaires already.
Yes, FB collects data on everyone even if you have never joined. I try to minimize my footprint.

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Facebook can track non-users on around 44% of the websites that they tend to visit which seems to indicate that no one is truly safe from the platform and its tendency to harvest user data en masse. There is still a lot of research that needs to be done before people can safely say that they know the fullest extent of Facebook’s shadow profile policy, but whatever the case may be it has become more or less certain that this is an activity that the social media juggernaut is undoubtedly taking part in regardless of their denial.
 
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Here's an NFL expert on twitter. The last reply is porn. It's has an NSFW tag so you have to click it to see it (which is preferable to the videos of penetration that just appear pretty much daily). Can anyone else see it? You may have to click "show additional replies" at the bottom.
Yes, I can see the posts you're referring to. But I had to click like four or five "show more replies" buttons to get there, plus another "show replies replies that might be offensive" button, then a "show me the NSFW material" button. That's kind of like blaming my web browser for showing me porn when I merely typed in the name of a porn site, hit enter, and started clicking on videos.
That was just one example. Most of the time you only need to click on something that's trending and scroll down to see hardcore porn. Anne Hathaway was trending a few days ago. The first few posts were nude videos of her from her movies. Wasn't looking to see her naked but tamer than penetration I guess. Scroll down a bit more and it was random hardcore porn with the account putting #Anne Hathaway before the video. Stuff like this is there 24/7 on the site for anyone to see. It has nothing to do with me, my cookies, my algorithms or anything like that either. My elderly mother sees it every day too. I get that some people have this hero worship of Musk and other wildly successful businessmen but what Capella said yesterday was 100% accurate and it kind of irked me that guys were patting each other on the back for dismissing his absolutely valid claims. Also, I find it strange that the defense of the neverending twitter porn is it take a few mouse clicks to see it so it's really on the user for clicking the mouse so many times.
 

Here's an NFL expert on twitter. The last reply is porn. It's has an NSFW tag so you have to click it to see it (which is preferable to the videos of penetration that just appear pretty much daily). Can anyone else see it? You may have to click "show additional replies" at the bottom.
Yes, I can see the posts you're referring to. But I had to click like four or five "show more replies" buttons to get there, plus another "show replies replies that might be offensive" button, then a "show me the NSFW material" button. That's kind of like blaming my web browser for showing me porn when I merely typed in the name of a porn site, hit enter, and started clicking on videos.
That was just one example. Most of the time you only need to click on something that's trending and scroll down to see hardcore porn. Anne Hathaway was trending a few days ago. The first few posts were nude videos of her from her movies. Wasn't looking to see her naked but tamer than penetration I guess. Scroll down a bit more and it was random hardcore porn with the account putting #Anne Hathaway before the video. Stuff like this is there 24/7 on the site for anyone to see. It has nothing to do with me, my cookies, my algorithms or anything like that either. My elderly mother sees it every day too. I get that some people have this hero worship of Musk and other wildly successful businessmen but what Capella said yesterday was 100% accurate and it kind of irked me that guys were patting each other on the back for dismissing his absolutely valid claims. Also, I find it strange that the defense of the neverending twitter porn is it take a few mouse clicks to see it so it's really on the user for clicking the mouse so many times.
As Ivan said, I’m not calling you a liar, but our user experiences are apparently entirely different. I don’t see the stuff you do on my feed - who or what is to blame for that, I don’t have the foggiest idea. As for your last point, it’s even stranger to complain about seeing obscene materials after you’ve clicked to confirm that you want to see obscene materials. Hopefully there are some changes afoot to put even more of the objectionable content you are finding behind that type of consent request so you aren’t seeing it in the course of your normal searching.
 

Here's an NFL expert on twitter. The last reply is porn. It's has an NSFW tag so you have to click it to see it (which is preferable to the videos of penetration that just appear pretty much daily). Can anyone else see it? You may have to click "show additional replies" at the bottom.
Yes, I can see the posts you're referring to. But I had to click like four or five "show more replies" buttons to get there, plus another "show replies replies that might be offensive" button, then a "show me the NSFW material" button. That's kind of like blaming my web browser for showing me porn when I merely typed in the name of a porn site, hit enter, and started clicking on videos.
That was just one example. Most of the time you only need to click on something that's trending and scroll down to see hardcore porn. Anne Hathaway was trending a few days ago. The first few posts were nude videos of her from her movies. Wasn't looking to see her naked but tamer than penetration I guess. Scroll down a bit more and it was random hardcore porn with the account putting #Anne Hathaway before the video. Stuff like this is there 24/7 on the site for anyone to see. It has nothing to do with me, my cookies, my algorithms or anything like that either. My elderly mother sees it every day too. I get that some people have this hero worship of Musk and other wildly successful businessmen but what Capella said yesterday was 100% accurate and it kind of irked me that guys were patting each other on the back for dismissing his absolutely valid claims. Also, I find it strange that the defense of the neverending twitter porn is it take a few mouse clicks to see it so it's really on the user for clicking the mouse so many times.
As Ivan said, I’m not calling you a liar, but our user experiences are apparently entirely different. I don’t see the stuff you do on my feed - who or what is to blame for that, I don’t have the foggiest idea. As for your last point, it’s even stranger to complain about seeing obscene materials after you’ve clicked to confirm that you want to see obscene materials. Hopefully there are some changes afoot to put even more of the objectionable content you are finding behind that type of consent request so you aren’t seeing it in the course of your normal searching.
Before the ownership change of the site there weren't "obscene materials" when you clicked the see more posts that may be objectionable button. It was always just some loudmouth or or maybe an insulting comment. Never pornography.
 

From December. When Chinese protests broke out over their extreme Covid policy, protesters who turned to Twitter were drowned out by porn and gambling bots.

Three weeks ago:


Bots and scammers have ALWAYS been a part of Twitter, it is worth repeating.
 
I know he’s rich and all but he honestly has to be one of the dumbest men alive.
He’s so dumb he owns Tesla, Twitter/X(which he purchased to rival Paypal) and is sending rockets/satellites into space.
He purchased Twitter because he was legally obligated to. How is the current platform of Twitter any way shape or form a competitor to PayPayl?
I think there's quite a bit of space between "Twitter isn't quite ready to compete against PayPal at this point" and "Elon Musk is one of the dumbest men alive." The first sentence seems undeniably true and also makes for an interesting conversation about network effects, economies of scope across various genres of online businesses, the desirability of having your financial life connected to your social media identity, etc. The second is just ****-posting. We should stick to the more interesting stuff.

I actually think the idea of the dumb billionaire is a pretty interesting topic, but probably not for this thread. We have to grant he's built some incredibly successful companies, and there's no doubt that becoming the richest person in the world isn't something you just stumble into. I don't really know his background or how all this happened, but it does seem reasonable to grant him some level of intellectual respect just due to his current station in life alone. At the same time, he's unquestionably a bizarre dude who certainly seems to have really botched things in his foray into the social media industry. I can't bring myself to make the leap of faith that he's playing 6d chess on a level none of us can fathom because of what he's done with electric cars and space rockets. But I have to acknowledge that I originally thought the iPad was the stupidest idea I'd ever seen, and now spend 3-4 hours every single day on mine.

I personally have quite a bit of experience working with Doctors on their non-doctor pursuits like investing in property and other non-medical business ventures. These are professionals who are highly trained and skilled, literally taking life/death into their hands on a near-daily basis. But when it comes to owning a storage facility with a buddy or trying to manage an 8-unit condo building they bought, they can be complete idiots. Like, unbelievably arrogant, unethical and just plain stupid - like they really believe normal rules won't apply to them in the real estate industry because they are so revered and successful at the clinic.
 
I actually think the idea of the dumb billionaire is a pretty interesting topic, but probably not for this thread. We have to grant he's built some incredibly successful companies, and there's no doubt that becoming the richest person in the world isn't something you just stumble into. I don't really know his background or how all this happened, but it does seem reasonable to grant him some level of intellectual respect just due to his current station in life alone. At the same time, he's unquestionably a bizarre dude who certainly seems to have really botched things in his foray into the social media industry. I can't bring myself to make the leap of faith that he's playing 6d chess on a level none of us can fathom because of what he's done with electric cars and space rockets. But I have to acknowledge that I originally thought the iPad was the stupidest idea I'd ever seen, and now spend 3-4 hours every single day on mine.

I personally have quite a bit of experience working with Doctors on their non-doctor pursuits like investing in property and other non-medical business ventures. These are professionals who are highly trained and skilled, literally taking life/death into their hands on a near-daily basis. But when it comes to owning a storage facility with a buddy or trying to manage an 8-unit condo building they bought, they can be complete idiots. Like, unbelievably arrogant, unethical and just plain stupid - like they really believe normal rules won't apply to them in the real estate industry because they are so revered and successful at the clinic.

I've been following/reading up on Elon for a long time now, as I was always a big fan of his businesses before they became cool or big. I actually own equity in SpaceX, so if that thing ever goes public maybe I'll be able to retire and spend 12 hours a day on here instead of just 8.

Unless his personality has done a complete 180, it seems very obvious to me that most of the "crazy" stuff he's said the last few years is a very simple and obvious red herring to further his business goals/approach. This has really kind of always been the case with him.

Musk has always been very vocal about his disdain for government regulation and bureaucracy slowing down the rapid expansion of his businesses and those business goals. I don't believe Musk for a second ever believed "free speech" was an issue on Twitter (and he has all the data now, which he threatens to release every few months, but never follows through on, probably because it's well known in advertising circles that the metrics say conservative slanted tweets get significantly more reach in the twitter algorithm than liberally slanted tweets). He just knows that the people that support that notion also just happen to be the same ones that support more lax business/worker regulation, which is really his biggest sticking point right now. So working to make those people popular is directly beneficial to him. "Free speech" talk is just a distraction.

This isn't limited to one side. I don't think he ever cared about any of the liberal policies he claimed to go to bat for either. I doubt he ever cared about the environment. He just knew that EVs were inevitable, and once he jumped on board that train it's of course very obvious how aligning himself with the pro-environment crowd helped further the expansion of his business.

Perhaps the best example of all is his stance on Trans/LGBTQ rights, which has moved and flipped EXACTLY in line with his business needs. In the early Tesla days Musk was extremely pro LGBTQ and trans. He used to brag that Tesla was the most LGBTQ friendly corporation in existence, and follow through on it, with Tesla maintaining a perfect 100/100 on the corporate equality index 7 years in a row. The reasons are obvious. The people that were pro-LGBTQ rights were typically the same ones that were pro EV-credits and pro government subsidies for EV development. The things Tesla needed most in the early days.

But then, right around the same time Musk started making fun of pronouns and generally posting LGBTQ-unfriendly content on Twitter, his businesses graduated to a point where those credits and subsidies were a smaller concern to his expansion than decreased corporate environmental regulation, workers rights, etc.

When his businesses needed fiscally liberal policies, he was socially very liberal. When his businesses needed fiscally conservative policies, he was socially very conservative.

I don't think he's dumb, just a jackwad that is willing to manipulate. But that's generally the personality that makes the most successful businessmen. At least in his case, unlike many of them, those businesses he fell into (other than Twitter, which no one needs) happen to be things that are generally good for humanity, even if his methods and motives are not.
 
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I know he’s rich and all but he honestly has to be one of the dumbest men alive.
He’s so dumb he owns Tesla, Twitter/X(which he purchased to rival Paypal) and is sending rockets/satellites into space.
He purchased Twitter because he was legally obligated to. How is the current platform of Twitter any way shape or form a competitor to PayPayl?
I think there's quite a bit of space between "Twitter isn't quite ready to compete against PayPal at this point" and "Elon Musk is one of the dumbest men alive." The first sentence seems undeniably true and also makes for an interesting conversation about network effects, economies of scope across various genres of online businesses, the desirability of having your financial life connected to your social media identity, etc. The second is just ****-posting. We should stick to the more interesting stuff.

I actually think the idea of the dumb billionaire is a pretty interesting topic, but probably not for this thread. We have to grant he's built some incredibly successful companies, and there's no doubt that becoming the richest person in the world isn't something you just stumble into. I don't really know his background or how all this happened, but it does seem reasonable to grant him some level of intellectual respect just due to his current station in life alone. At the same time, he's unquestionably a bizarre dude who certainly seems to have really botched things in his foray into the social media industry. I can't bring myself to make the leap of faith that he's playing 6d chess on a level none of us can fathom because of what he's done with electric cars and space rockets. But I have to acknowledge that I originally thought the iPad was the stupidest idea I'd ever seen, and now spend 3-4 hours every single day on mine.

I personally have quite a bit of experience working with Doctors on their non-doctor pursuits like investing in property and other non-medical business ventures. These are professionals who are highly trained and skilled, literally taking life/death into their hands on a near-daily basis. But when it comes to owning a storage facility with a buddy or trying to manage an 8-unit condo building they bought, they can be complete idiots. Like, unbelievably arrogant, unethical and just plain stupid - like they really believe normal rules won't apply to them in the real estate industry because they are so revered and successful at the clinic.

money changes people's perception of their own ability.

some people think if they were successful at one thing, they will of course be successful at everything else because they're better/smarter/more capable than another person who doesn't have the same concrete, visible markers of socially accepted "success".
 
I actually think the idea of the dumb billionaire is a pretty interesting topic, but probably not for this thread. We have to grant he's built some incredibly successful companies, and there's no doubt that becoming the richest person in the world isn't something you just stumble into. I don't really know his background or how all this happened, but it does seem reasonable to grant him some level of intellectual respect just due to his current station in life alone. At the same time, he's unquestionably a bizarre dude who certainly seems to have really botched things in his foray into the social media industry. I can't bring myself to make the leap of faith that he's playing 6d chess on a level none of us can fathom because of what he's done with electric cars and space rockets. But I have to acknowledge that I originally thought the iPad was the stupidest idea I'd ever seen, and now spend 3-4 hours every single day on mine.

I personally have quite a bit of experience working with Doctors on their non-doctor pursuits like investing in property and other non-medical business ventures. These are professionals who are highly trained and skilled, literally taking life/death into their hands on a near-daily basis. But when it comes to owning a storage facility with a buddy or trying to manage an 8-unit condo building they bought, they can be complete idiots. Like, unbelievably arrogant, unethical and just plain stupid - like they really believe normal rules won't apply to them in the real estate industry because they are so revered and successful at the clinic.

I've been following/reading up on Elon for a long time now, as I was always a big fan of his businesses before they became cool or big. I actually own equity in SpaceX, so if that thing ever goes public maybe I'll be able to retire and spend 12 hours a day on here instead of just 8.

Unless his personality has done a complete 180, it seems very obvious to me that most of the "crazy" stuff he's said the last few years is a very simple and obvious red herring to further his business goals/approach. This has really kind of always been the case with him.

Musk has always been very vocal about his disdain for government regulation and bureaucracy slowing down the rapid expansion of his businesses and those business goals. I don't believe Musk for a second ever believed "free speech" was an issue on Twitter (and he has all the data now, which he threatens to release every few months, but never follows through on, probably because it's well known in advertising circles that the metrics say conservative slanted tweets get significantly more reach in the twitter algorithm than liberally slanted tweets). He just knows that the people that support that notion also just happen to be the same ones that support more lax business/worker regulation, which is really his biggest sticking point right now. So working to make those people popular is directly beneficial to him. "Free speech" talk is just a distraction.

This isn't limited to one side. I don't think he ever cared about any of the liberal policies he claimed to go to bat for either. I doubt he ever cared about the environment. He just knew that EVs were inevitable, and once he jumped on board that train it's of course very obvious how aligning himself with the pro-environment crowd helped further the expansion of his business.

Perhaps the best example of all is his stance on Trans/LGBTQ rights, which has moved and flipped EXACTLY in line with his business needs. In the early Tesla days Musk was extremely pro LGBTQ and trans. He used to brag that Tesla was the most LGBTQ friendly corporation in existence, and follow through on it, with Tesla maintaining a perfect 100/100 on the corporate equality index 7 years in a row. The reasons are obvious. The people that were pro-LGBTQ rights were typically the same ones that were pro EV-credits and pro government subsidies for EV development. The things Tesla needed most in the early days.

But then, right around the same time Musk started making fun of pronouns and generally posting LGBTQ-unfriendly content on Twitter, his businesses graduated to a point where those credits and subsidies were a smaller concern to his expansion than decreased corporate environmental regulation, workers rights, etc.

When his businesses needed fiscally liberal policies, he was socially very liberal. When his businesses needed fiscally conservative policies, he was socially very conservative.

I don't think he's dumb, just a jackwad that is willing to manipulate. But that's generally the personality that makes the most successful businessmen. At least in his case, unlike many of them, those businesses he fell into (other than Twitter, which no one needs) happen to be things that are generally good for humanity, even if his methods and motives are not.

He did release several batches of twitter files. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files
 
Twitter's a shell of itself even from a year or two ago, in my opinion. I was a late adopter who found it toxic but useful. Now I'm not sure it's even useful.
it is still good for the college high school athlete recruiting game that is about the best use of it that i am aware of take that to the bank brohan
 
I actually think the idea of the dumb billionaire is a pretty interesting topic, but probably not for this thread. We have to grant he's built some incredibly successful companies, and there's no doubt that becoming the richest person in the world isn't something you just stumble into. I don't really know his background or how all this happened, but it does seem reasonable to grant him some level of intellectual respect just due to his current station in life alone. At the same time, he's unquestionably a bizarre dude who certainly seems to have really botched things in his foray into the social media industry. I can't bring myself to make the leap of faith that he's playing 6d chess on a level none of us can fathom because of what he's done with electric cars and space rockets. But I have to acknowledge that I originally thought the iPad was the stupidest idea I'd ever seen, and now spend 3-4 hours every single day on mine.

I personally have quite a bit of experience working with Doctors on their non-doctor pursuits like investing in property and other non-medical business ventures. These are professionals who are highly trained and skilled, literally taking life/death into their hands on a near-daily basis. But when it comes to owning a storage facility with a buddy or trying to manage an 8-unit condo building they bought, they can be complete idiots. Like, unbelievably arrogant, unethical and just plain stupid - like they really believe normal rules won't apply to them in the real estate industry because they are so revered and successful at the clinic.

I've been following/reading up on Elon for a long time now, as I was always a big fan of his businesses before they became cool or big. I actually own equity in SpaceX, so if that thing ever goes public maybe I'll be able to retire and spend 12 hours a day on here instead of just 8.

Unless his personality has done a complete 180, it seems very obvious to me that most of the "crazy" stuff he's said the last few years is a very simple and obvious red herring to further his business goals/approach. This has really kind of always been the case with him.

Musk has always been very vocal about his disdain for government regulation and bureaucracy slowing down the rapid expansion of his businesses and those business goals. I don't believe Musk for a second ever believed "free speech" was an issue on Twitter (and he has all the data now, which he threatens to release every few months, but never follows through on, probably because it's well known in advertising circles that the metrics say conservative slanted tweets get significantly more reach in the twitter algorithm than liberally slanted tweets). He just knows that the people that support that notion also just happen to be the same ones that support more lax business/worker regulation, which is really his biggest sticking point right now. So working to make those people popular is directly beneficial to him. "Free speech" talk is just a distraction.

This isn't limited to one side. I don't think he ever cared about any of the liberal policies he claimed to go to bat for either. I doubt he ever cared about the environment. He just knew that EVs were inevitable, and once he jumped on board that train it's of course very obvious how aligning himself with the pro-environment crowd helped further the expansion of his business.

Perhaps the best example of all is his stance on Trans/LGBTQ rights, which has moved and flipped EXACTLY in line with his business needs. In the early Tesla days Musk was extremely pro LGBTQ and trans. He used to brag that Tesla was the most LGBTQ friendly corporation in existence, and follow through on it, with Tesla maintaining a perfect 100/100 on the corporate equality index 7 years in a row. The reasons are obvious. The people that were pro-LGBTQ rights were typically the same ones that were pro EV-credits and pro government subsidies for EV development. The things Tesla needed most in the early days.

But then, right around the same time Musk started making fun of pronouns and generally posting LGBTQ-unfriendly content on Twitter, his businesses graduated to a point where those credits and subsidies were a smaller concern to his expansion than decreased corporate environmental regulation, workers rights, etc.

When his businesses needed fiscally liberal policies, he was socially very liberal. When his businesses needed fiscally conservative policies, he was socially very conservative.

I don't think he's dumb, just a jackwad that is willing to manipulate. But that's generally the personality that makes the most successful businessmen. At least in his case, unlike many of them, those businesses he fell into (other than Twitter, which no one needs) happen to be things that are generally good for humanity, even if his methods and motives are not.
Great post
 
I stick to my Lists so my experience is largely unchanged. The fintwit accounts have a ton of scam bots in the replies but porn hasn’t been an issue there. I have absolutely seen what people are talking about when you click on a trending topic so I’ve pretty much stopped doing that and will Google it if I’m curious as to why it’s trending.

So, sticking to my heavily curated experience has been good, still, but the other stuff seems not so great.
 
Perhaps the best example of all is his stance on Trans/LGBTQ rights, which has moved and flipped EXACTLY in line with his business needs. In the early Tesla days Musk was extremely pro LGBTQ and trans. He used to brag that Tesla was the most LGBTQ friendly corporation in existence, and follow through on it, with Tesla maintaining a perfect 100/100 on the corporate equality index 7 years in a row. The reasons are obvious. The people that were pro-LGBTQ rights were typically the same ones that were pro EV-credits and pro government subsidies for EV development. The things Tesla needed most in the early days.
Also probably a personal angle with him too as his ex (Grimes) was dating a trans person. Also believe he had a son that now identifies as a woman.
 
I stick to my Lists so my experience is largely unchanged
Right right.

You can skim along curated lists, and you'll see ads, that's all. Don't wanna be clicking stuff, and decide to start chatting with people. :sick:

This has always been true, there's no denying that. Maybe worse now, but it wasn't very nice before.
 

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