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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2015 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)

dgreen said:
Another bit of info from Breer's interview...

He talked about how McCloughan's approached QBs in the past. He referred to it as "throwing darts at a dart board". Basically, keep drafting QBs over and over in some of the later rounds. GB, even though they had Favre, drafting guys like Hasselbeck, Brunell,and Detmer. They didn't start for GB, but they did turn to picks later. He also cited Russell Wilson, of course, despite the fact that they had just signed Matt Flynn in the offseason.
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I'd be okay with that. I think all good teams do stuff like that. Look at the Pats with Cassel, Hoyer, Mallet and Garapollo. We need depth all over the place, so I'd be okay with late round dart throws.

 
Agree, I like the QB dart throw idea, but it seems much more feasible for a team that doesn't have as many holes to fill. Seems like that's what the Skins did with Kirk?

 
MattFancy said:
dgreen said:
MattFancy said:
dgreen said:
As for this year's draft, I heard Albert Breer discussing how changes in scouting staff works. While coaches tend to change in January, scouts don't usually move around until after the draft. If he wants people that are already employed elsewhere, those teams are unlikely to let them go before the draft this year. They'll have too much insider knowledge that they can share with their new team. So, the next couple months are supposedly an evaluation time of those currently in Ashburn. We'll know come May how McCloughan thinks they performed.
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Doesn't he run his own scouting business? I would think he could take people from his business and use them.
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I'm sure that's possible. But, my guess is many people are working for a "scouting business" and not the NFL for a reason. Maybe they aren't as good? And even if they are good, I don't recall seeing anything about how many people he employs. It may not be enough people to turn over an NFL scouting staff.

What you say may make sense. I was just passing on what I heard Breer say when asked about changes to the Redskins scouting department. He didn't think we'd see immediate changes.
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teams were paying him $75k to get his inputs
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'Skins were one of those teams too.

 
New post from DC Sports Bog has some nice McCloughan quotes:

"McCloughan said he has no inclination to pursue the most expensive names in free agency (think receiver Reggie Wayne or safety Ed Reed). “You go get the big name, the fans will love it,” McCloughan said. “And maybe we will at some point. But I don’t think you invest all your money in one guy when your roster looks like this right now.”
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If the 49ers get the No. 1 or No. 2 pick in the draft, McCloughan favors seeking a trade for a slew of choices, even if Reggie Bush is there to be selected. “One guy is not going to make us a 10-6 team next year,” McCloughan said. “It might make you maybe 6-10, but if we have four or five players, maybe two years from now, that makes it a 10-6 team, because now you have more depth.”
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“We don’t want to be known as a free agency team,” McCloughan said. “Our approach is that it’s a tool you have to use, a valuable tool, but what we’re trying to do is draft well and identify guys we want around and do an extension prior to free agency. We’re lucky enough to have some money in free agency, but we’re not going to spend just to spend.”
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MattFancy said:
New post from DC Sports Bog has some nice McCloughan quotes:

"McCloughan said he has no inclination to pursue the most expensive names in free agency (think receiver Reggie Wayne or safety Ed Reed). “You go get the big name, the fans will love it,” McCloughan said. “And maybe we will at some point. But I don’t think you invest all your money in one guy when your roster looks like this right now.”
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If the 49ers get the No. 1 or No. 2 pick in the draft, McCloughan favors seeking a trade for a slew of choices, even if Reggie Bush is there to be selected. “One guy is not going to make us a 10-6 team next year,” McCloughan said. “It might make you maybe 6-10, but if we have four or five players, maybe two years from now, that makes it a 10-6 team, because now you have more depth.”
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“We don’t want to be known as a free agency team,” McCloughan said. “Our approach is that it’s a tool you have to use, a valuable tool, but what we’re trying to do is draft well and identify guys we want around and do an extension prior to free agency. We’re lucky enough to have some money in free agency, but we’re not going to spend just to spend.”
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philosphically consistent w/ everything I've read about him (which has been a lot over the last 2 days)

 
I will, as Sebowski says, troll back in here every once in a while to post some snide comment. The team is still on my bad side.

But today I will go with the good....having a real GM come on board. It's a sign of progress that Snyder/Allen realizes Allen is not good at personnel (or at least recognizes the fan/media pressure on the matter). I can't fully turn the corner until I see how long McCloughan stays around. If it is not very long, we can assume the meddling hasn't stopped.

If you look at McCloughan's history with drafts, what he does is find a way to get two 1st rounders in many years. So while I'm not sure we'll see more mid-late round hits, what we should see is better draft management. He also seems to have an eye for what free agents can't really make an impact.

I'll be back in a week...with more trolling.

 
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Funny how the same people who was telling us that team is forever crippled is now playoffs and "turned the corner and changing the culture" over one guy who doesn't actually coach or play for the team. One guy who has never dealt with the cancer that is Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen except for a 6 hour smooch fest to get the job.

I don't even care if he is a former alcoholic. hell he can come into work sloppy drunk pissing his pants and he would still be better than Bruce Allen and Vinny Cerato

 
hammerva said:
Funny how the same people who was telling us that team is forever crippled is now playoffs and "turned the corner and changing the culture" over one guy who doesn't actually coach or play for the team. One guy who has never dealt with the cancer that is Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen except for a 6 hour smooch fest to get the job.

I don't even care if he is a former alcoholic. hell he can come into work sloppy drunk pissing his pants and he would still be better than Bruce Allen and Vinny Cerato
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This team has had a lot of "this is what we needed to turn things around" moments in recent history, and none panned out.

Spurrier: Disaster

Gibbs 2.0: Wasn't a complete disaster, but there was some major disorganization going on and some bad signings. Still did manage to make a good run.

Shanahan: Finally a legit coach who will stop leaks and bring respectability back. NOT!

Griffin III: Looked like this would be the turning point of the franchise, but he'll never be the same physically and he is mentally damaged, not going to close the book, but doesn't look good.

i am sure there are more, but what hasn't happened since Danny boy took over is the team hiring a well respected GM who was given the keys to the team. I don't know much about this guy other than what I've read in the past few days, but it is at least something different. There are many reasons this team has failed, the one constant is that the team never drafted well. The team has always had holes because they'd spend big money in free agency on a few positions, and miss on the players in the draft that would provide depth. If this guy can do that, he can definitely help the team. I am still in the "I'll believe things are changing when I see it", but it's hard not to be happy with the move. I was frankly a little surprised that Allen would admit player personnel is not his strong suit and move aside. You have to at least like them taking action.

I agree that the environment is toxic and that starts at the top, but it is funny how winning can cure that toxicity. 2012 was nothing but optimism before Griffin spiked himself. The Gibbs team that won a playoff game was not filled with malcontents. If this guy brings in players who help the team win, I think the rest will take care of itself. Heck, this team rallied around Colt McCoy after he won 2 games.

 
Still no excuse for that disaster of a press conference by Allen the other day, but makes more sense now. I'm sure he knew then what was coming.

 
dgreen said:
Still no excuse for that disaster of a press conference by Allen the other day, but makes more sense now. I'm sure he knew then what was coming.
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Actually, knowing what I know now, I am baffled why Allen even had a press conference last week. He should have just waited until there was some news.

 
I guess they interviewed a minority candidate last night so the Rooney Rule was satisfied. Maybe they got Juan from the cleaning crew at Redskins Park to sit down with George to discuss the state of the draft and that was sufficient... :shrug:

 
DCThunder said:
I guess they interviewed a minority candidate last night so the Rooney Rule was satisfied. Maybe they got Juan from the cleaning crew at Redskins Park to sit down with George to discuss the state of the draft and that was sufficient... :shrug:
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They interviewed the Cardinals former GM on Monday according to reports.

I personally think the Rooney Rule is dumb. I have no problem with seeing more minority coaches in the league, but it seems alot of them are just brought in to satisfy the Rooney Rule and aren't taken seriously. That's not fair to them.

 
Marvelous said:
dgreen said:
Still no excuse for that disaster of a press conference by Allen the other day, but makes more sense now. I'm sure he knew then what was coming.
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Actually, knowing what I know now, I am baffled why Allen even had a press conference last week. He should have just waited until there was some news.
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Part of me thinks that Allen's presser and the subsequent and overwhelming negative reaction could have led to the decision to move full steam ahead with the hiring of a real GM.

I obviously have no idea how far along in the discussion they may have been with McLoughan but I would not be surprised if the reaction to Bruce's empty suit display didnt lead he and Danny to determine that they had no other choice than to bring in someone with an actual resume to rebuild this roster.

 
southeastjerome said:
Griffin III: Looked like this would be the turning point of the franchise, but he'll never be the same physically and he is mentally damaged
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I know you are a Skins fan and just being brutally honest, but I don't think its fair for any of us to make that kind of statement. Robert could very well come into camp next year 100% healthy. Has he been healthy since late 2011? No. but his knee has been injury free for a few seasons (that could/should be in the rear view mirror) and the ankle should finally be better by the Spring too. I'm holding on to hope. And yes, I'm sure his ego, confidence, and feelings were hurt this year, but I think with a new GM with plenty of cred, and a full load of draft picks, the team will have reason to be much more positive and supportive next year of Robert or whoever is starting at QB. Now if he doesn't play well next year with the new direction and talent we bring in, I'll call a spade a spade and say Robert is forever broke. Just not ready to do that yet.

 
Archer said:
southeastjerome said:
Griffin III: Looked like this would be the turning point of the franchise, but he'll never be the same physically and he is mentally damaged
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I know you are a Skins fan and just being brutally honest, but I don't think its fair for any of us to make that kind of statement. Robert could very well come into camp next year 100% healthy. Has he been healthy since late 2011? No. but his knee has been injury free for a few seasons (that could/should be in the rear view mirror) and the ankle should finally be better by the Spring too. I'm holding on to hope. And yes, I'm sure his ego, confidence, and feelings were hurt this year, but I think with a new GM with plenty of cred, and a full load of draft picks, the team will have reason to be much more positive and supportive next year of Robert or whoever is starting at QB. Now if he doesn't play well next year with the new direction and talent we bring in, I'll call a spade a spade and say Robert is forever broke. Just not ready to do that yet.
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I don't think it is unfair to make that statement. It is clearly just my opinion and not hurting anyone. I hope he comes back to be the Griffin we saw in 2012, but I've heard injury experts, Chao, Will Carroll and even Jene Bramel claim that he'll likely never regain that form. He also still hasn't fully learned how to avoid a big hit like a guy like Russell Wilson. He continually got slammed for minimal games. He just plays very recklessly, that's how he has made most of his big plays. His short area quickness is nowhere near what it used to be.

You also clipped the part of my quote when I said "I'm not going to close the book on him". I don't think his entire story has been told, but I think with all that has gone on, it is not likely he will be the guy here. It would not shock me if he went somewhere else, say Philly and succeeded. Again, not ready to close the book just yet, but 2 years removed from ACL surgery, it is not looking good.

 
Well let's all just pray for the best. ;) But I do think we need to draft another QB or at least bring in the best (affordable) FA QB to compete. Sadly, I don't think Cousins or McCoy is a long term solution IMO.

 
MikeApf said:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/08/report-giants-want-to-interview-raheem-morris-for-defensive-coordinator/

PFT reports that Giants want to interview Raheem Morris for their vacant Def Coordinator position. The Redskins have not yet granted permission.

I really, really hope Morris leaves the Redskins for the Giants. I've been pretty underwhelmed by his work here.
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Can't say I'd miss him. I think we all can agree the secondary has been the weakest part of the defense the last few seasons and that was on Morris' watch.

 
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MattFancy said:
MikeApf said:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/08/report-giants-want-to-interview-raheem-morris-for-defensive-coordinator/

PFT reports that Giants want to interview Raheem Morris for their vacant Def Coordinator position. The Redskins have not yet granted permission.

I really, really hope Morris leaves the Redskins for the Giants. I've been pretty underwhelmed by his work here.
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Can't say I'd miss him. I think we all can agree the secondary has been the weakest part of the defense the last few seasons and that was on Morris' watch.
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The other thing is, if the Redskins "block" this, it is a BAD sign. That would mean, either they are planning to promote him to DC or retain him, which seems horribly premature in light of the fact that they don't have a new DC yet...you'd think the new DC would get to pick his staff. Either way, unless you KNOW you are going to keep Morris, you have to let him interview, just to be fair to him.

For some reason, I'm hoping that the new DC just "cleans house" and brings in a whole new staff anyways...

 
MikeApf said:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/08/report-giants-want-to-interview-raheem-morris-for-defensive-coordinator/

PFT reports that Giants want to interview Raheem Morris for their vacant Def Coordinator position. The Redskins have not yet granted permission.

I really, really hope Morris leaves the Redskins for the Giants. I've been pretty underwhelmed by his work here.
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Not only shouldn't they block him, they should offer him a ride to the airport. Hell, I'll gladly chip in a few bucks for cab fare.

 
Brunell4MVP said:
I think the most interesting reads would be McCloughan's scouting report on Robert Griffin and Kirk Cousins.
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Agreed.

There's been reports that Seattle would have taken Cousins in the 4th if Wilson was gone in the 3rd. I'm not sure if that means a ton. I mean, obviously he liked Wilson more than Cousins or they would have taken Cousins first.

But does he like RG3 more than Cousins? Something tells me he did, but not sure if he feels the same now.

 
MikeApf said:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/08/report-giants-want-to-interview-raheem-morris-for-defensive-coordinator/

PFT reports that Giants want to interview Raheem Morris for their vacant Def Coordinator position. The Redskins have not yet granted permission.

I really, really hope Morris leaves the Redskins for the Giants. I've been pretty underwhelmed by his work here.
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Redskins would be geniuses to let Morris go be a D Coord within their division. If there is a way to make the Giant's D worse, Raheem will find it.

 
(HULK) said:
MikeApf said:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/08/report-giants-want-to-interview-raheem-morris-for-defensive-coordinator/

PFT reports that Giants want to interview Raheem Morris for their vacant Def Coordinator position. The Redskins have not yet granted permission.

I really, really hope Morris leaves the Redskins for the Giants. I've been pretty underwhelmed by his work here.
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Redskins would be geniuses to let Morris go be a D Coord within their division. If there is a way to make the Giant's D worse, Raheem will find it.
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I was thinking the same thing. As an Eagle's fan I was thinking, darn it the Redskins might let Morris go; Oh, at least he'd be going to the Giants.

 
To be fair, Morris had nothing to work with...

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dgreen said:
If it's a promotion, I didn't think you could keep him from interviewing.
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Definitely not true. The Skins are trying to interview a bunch of assistants for our DC spot and being turned down left and right.

 
steelers1080 said:
To be fair, Morris had nothing to work with...

And

dgreen said:
If it's a promotion, I didn't think you could keep him from interviewing.
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Definitely not true. The Skins are trying to interview a bunch of assistants for our DC spot and being turned down left and right.
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The old rule was they could not be turned down for a promotion. But it was changed a long time ago. I think for head coaching vacancies, you cannot turn down the request. But all other coaching vacancies including coordinators, the team can turn down the request.

 
Sports Bog with some Vinny quotes from his radio apperance yesterday in Philly.

This may be my favorite:

“What happened with Zorn was, every Saturday what he was doing was he was going biking with President Bush,” Cerrato said. “He’d take his bike and they’d go biking, you know, together for a couple hours. And then he’d have all these celebrities on the sidelines. You know, he wanted to become a celebrity instead of being a football coach. He started off great, and then he became a celebrity, and then it went haywire.”
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Lol what? Zorn was a celebrity? What celebs were on the sidelines during Zorn's time here?

 
MattFancy said:
Sports Bog with some Vinny quotes from his radio apperance yesterday in Philly.

This may be my favorite:

“What happened with Zorn was, every Saturday what he was doing was he was going biking with President Bush,” Cerrato said. “He’d take his bike and they’d go biking, you know, together for a couple hours. And then he’d have all these celebrities on the sidelines. You know, he wanted to become a celebrity instead of being a football coach. He started off great, and then he became a celebrity, and then it went haywire.”
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Lol what? Zorn was a celebrity? What celebs were on the sidelines during Zorn's time here?
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Yeah Cerrato, you mean like Tom Cruise? Cerrato is a bit of an a$$hole.

 
Good News! Kyle Shannahan was let go by the Browns! That means he's free to come back and be our offensive coordinator again!

 
steelers1080 said:
Good News! Kyle Shannahan was let go by the Browns! That means he's free to come back and be our offensive coordinator again!
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steelers1080 said:
Good News! Kyle Shannahan was let go by the Browns! That means he's free to come back and be our offensive coordinator again!
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:lmao:

 
MattFancy said:
Sports Bog with some Vinny quotes from his radio apperance yesterday in Philly.

This may be my favorite:

“What happened with Zorn was, every Saturday what he was doing was he was going biking with President Bush,” Cerrato said. “He’d take his bike and they’d go biking, you know, together for a couple hours. And then he’d have all these celebrities on the sidelines. You know, he wanted to become a celebrity instead of being a football coach. He started off great, and then he became a celebrity, and then it went haywire.”
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Lol what? Zorn was a celebrity? What celebs were on the sidelines during Zorn's time here?
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Listening to the Andy Polin morning show (really the only good show in this area most of the time) and apparently Zorn went bicycle riding with the 2nd George Bush. But yeah other than that no other celebrity issues unlike a certain owner who has to hang out rich celebrities to compensate why everyone not working for him hates his guts

 
Brunell4MVP said:
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/12/04/andy-benoit-if-haslett-were-fired-today-thered-be-a-line-of-10-teams-to-hire-him/

Damn, those 10 teams sure came to interview Haslett quickly :sarcasm:
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How does that guy have a job writing about football. They outcoached him, he didn't get outcoached?!

I also like that it wasn't a blown coverage, but there was no coverage. Uh, if nobody blew a coverage and there was a receiver wide open, shouldn't we blame the DC's playcalling?!

 
"First thing I learned from them is to not dable in Free Agency" - McCloughan on what he learned from Ron Wolf

How in the world did we land this guy???

 
Listening to his presser is such a refreshing change compared to Gruden. He doesn't take any bait from the media and seems so collected up there.

 
McCloughan on 980: "You don't give up on a young QB who took you to the playoffs. You don't give up on a young QB unless you have to."

 
As a Seahawk fan living the the DC area I gotta say I'm happy for you guys. With all the misery you all have been through this looks like an exciting hire. Congrats!

After the presser he was on 106.7. Boy is he a football guy... sounds like everything you guys needed to start turning things around.

 
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MattFancy said:
McCloughan on 980: "You don't give up on a young QB who took you to the playoffs. You don't give up on a young QB unless you have to."
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That's a pretty bold and definitive statement (if it came from him) and it's actually kind of dam ning toward Gruden, who actually DID give up on Griffin...

 
OK, two things:

1. Does anyone have a link to the McCloughan audio...sounds like a good listen.

2. Who gives a better presser..McCloughan or Allen?

 
MikeApf said:
OK, two things:

1. Does anyone have a link to the McCloughan audio...sounds like a good listen.

2. Who gives a better presser..McCloughan or Allen?
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1. CSN Washington or Redskins.com might have it up soon

2. McCloughan and it isn't even close

 
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