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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2015 Offseason Thread (2 Viewers)

Anyway, training camp eve! :thumbup:
Yeah, see, I didn't even know this. :unsure:

So, other than all the annoying RG3 talk, what are we looking forward to this training camp?
Improvements on the OL

How the additions in the secondary look

Breeland and Keenan Robinson improving on last season

Hall coming back healthy

Garcon being more involved in the offense
Not that this necessarily means anything, but my tickets were delivered today and Hall is on one of them. Malcolm Kelly was on a ticket one year and then didn't even make the opening day roster.

As with most offseasons, it seems the team SHOULD be better. Sounds like the DL upgrades are significant and the DBs are now at least NFL-caliber, which wasn't the case last year. OL will be interesting. As usual, though, depth is going to be the big question. Once an injury or two hits, things tend to fall apart.

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Doc and BMitch didn't sound too excited yesterday. They said all they saw the offense do was make check downs and screens and commented how they have never in their lives seen a QB running in 7on7 drills.
Doc Walker and Brian Mitchell are awful to listen to.
I like Doc but BMitch is a hothead. I've called him Napoleon on the radio multiple times after he's lost his mind. This obviously pisses him off more then when a caller disagrees with him. I had him talking about me all afternoon about a month ago.I'm not a big on trolling people but he's a disaster.
:lmao:
I don't think I am. :shrug:

Just because I disagree doesn't mean I'm trolling. I admit I'm often a contrarian, but that isn't limited to the topic of football.
Dude, you be steady trollin.

 
Anyway, training camp eve! :thumbup:
Yeah, see, I didn't even know this. :unsure:

So, other than all the annoying RG3 talk, what are we looking forward to this training camp?
Improvements on the OL

How the additions in the secondary look

Breeland and Keenan Robinson improving on last season

Hall coming back healthy

Garcon being more involved in the offense
Not that this necessarily means anything, but my tickets were delivered today and Hall is on one of them. Malcolm Kelly was on a ticket one year and then didn't even make the opening day roster.

As with most offseasons, it seems the team SHOULD be better. Sounds like the DL upgrades are significant and the DBs are now at least NFL-caliber, which wasn't the case last year. OL will be interesting. As usual, though, depth is going to be the big question. Once an injury or two hits, things tend to fall apart.
Not to nit pick, but it is not clear we have NFL caliber safeties. The big three are:

Dashon Goldson, who we trade for, but Tampa Bay was getting ready to cut

Jeron Johnson, who was a backup safety at Seattle and was signed to a modest free agent contract

Duke Ihenacho, who was cut by the Broncos last off season and sat on the bench for 3 games last year

 
Anyway, training camp eve! :thumbup:
Yeah, see, I didn't even know this. :unsure:

So, other than all the annoying RG3 talk, what are we looking forward to this training camp?
Improvements on the OL

How the additions in the secondary look

Breeland and Keenan Robinson improving on last season

Hall coming back healthy

Garcon being more involved in the offense
Not that this necessarily means anything, but my tickets were delivered today and Hall is on one of them. Malcolm Kelly was on a ticket one year and then didn't even make the opening day roster.

As with most offseasons, it seems the team SHOULD be better. Sounds like the DL upgrades are significant and the DBs are now at least NFL-caliber, which wasn't the case last year. OL will be interesting. As usual, though, depth is going to be the big question. Once an injury or two hits, things tend to fall apart.
Not to nit pick, but it is not clear we have NFL caliber safeties. The big three are:

Dashon Goldson, who we trade for, but Tampa Bay was getting ready to cut

Jeron Johnson, who was a backup safety at Seattle and was signed to a modest free agent contract

Duke Ihenacho, who was cut by the Broncos last off season and sat on the bench for 3 games last year
Our safeties should be better. Especially if Goldson gets back to his SF days.

 
Anyway, training camp eve! :thumbup:
Yeah, see, I didn't even know this. :unsure:

So, other than all the annoying RG3 talk, what are we looking forward to this training camp?
Improvements on the OL

How the additions in the secondary look

Breeland and Keenan Robinson improving on last season

Hall coming back healthy

Garcon being more involved in the offense
Not that this necessarily means anything, but my tickets were delivered today and Hall is on one of them. Malcolm Kelly was on a ticket one year and then didn't even make the opening day roster.

As with most offseasons, it seems the team SHOULD be better. Sounds like the DL upgrades are significant and the DBs are now at least NFL-caliber, which wasn't the case last year. OL will be interesting. As usual, though, depth is going to be the big question. Once an injury or two hits, things tend to fall apart.
Not to nit pick, but it is not clear we have NFL caliber safeties. The big three are:

Dashon Goldson, who we trade for, but Tampa Bay was getting ready to cut

Jeron Johnson, who was a backup safety at Seattle and was signed to a modest free agent contract

Duke Ihenacho, who was cut by the Broncos last off season and sat on the bench for 3 games last year
Which, sadly, is better than last year. I wasn't meaning to imply that they are even of average starter ability. Just that they actually belong somewhere in the NFL and it's not crazy that they are starting somewhere. You know, basically saying they might actually be in the top 64 at their position. Pretty sure Meriweather and Clark did not belong as starters in the league and it's arguable whether they even belonged in the league.

 
Just saw on twitter we extended Kerrigan. Woot!Woot!
The extension is for 5 years, $57.5M, with $24.28M guaranteed. He plays this year for $7.03 M.

This is the type of contract Orakpo thought he was worth, but could not get. I know franchising Orakpo did not turn out well, but the Redskins did well not to sign Orakpo to a long term contract.

 
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MattFancy said:
The deal with Kerrigan is perfect. Keeping him for the foreseeable future at a reasonable cost.
He's a stud and should really breakout this year. I mean real football fans know him but with the addition of Pot Roast and a healthy Hatcher he should be a household name. Imagine what he could do with his hands on the ground every play in a 4-3.

I HATE 3-4 defenses.

ETA- I just saw what you signed him for- What a steal. F you guys! ;)

 
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Bringing in Galette tomorrow for a workout and physical...very interesting considering McCloughan's stance on character so far. Does anybody on our coaching staff or in our FO have prior experience with Gallette, or are we doing his agent a favor? Seems, at first glance and with our OLB depth, to be a strange visit to schedule.

But on the other hand, McCloughan is the type of man who would understand the value of 2nd and even 3rd chances, when given to the right person. We won't know how he really feels about character risks until he's got a longer track record with us--tomorrow could be the start of that track record, especially if he's willing to sign a cheap deal.

Also remember that Gruden came from the Bengals organization, where they've had a ton of success "rehabilitating" character risks.

 
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Listening to the radio on this and while I am not surprised it is funny. For the last month or two the Cowboys have been mocked (with good reason) for bringing in these idiots like Greg Hardy. now the Skins have a guy with similar ability, similar willingness for a small contract, and similar off the field headaches and it is like "violence against women never heard of it as long as we win" I would typical Skins but more typical NFL fan because there are 4 or 5 other teams interested in him and I bet those teams fans have the same mindset

This is a guy that talked crap about Drew Brees one of the 5 best QB's in the league. What the hell do you think he is going to say about SuperBob

 
Listening to the radio on this and while I am not surprised it is funny. For the last month or two the Cowboys have been mocked (with good reason) for bringing in these idiots like Greg Hardy. now the Skins have a guy with similar ability, similar willingness for a small contract, and similar off the field headaches and it is like "violence against women never heard of it as long as we win" I would typical Skins but more typical NFL fan because there are 4 or 5 other teams interested in him and I bet those teams fans have the same mindset

This is a guy that talked crap about Drew Brees one of the 5 best QB's in the league. What the hell do you think he is going to say about SuperBob
That's not really fair. He allegedly, from his girlfriends Twitter account (so it could have been her), said Brees was still really good but was losing arm strength. That's probably true.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
hammerva said:
Listening to the radio on this and while I am not surprised it is funny. For the last month or two the Cowboys have been mocked (with good reason) for bringing in these idiots like Greg Hardy. now the Skins have a guy with similar ability, similar willingness for a small contract, and similar off the field headaches and it is like "violence against women never heard of it as long as we win" I would typical Skins but more typical NFL fan because there are 4 or 5 other teams interested in him and I bet those teams fans have the same mindset

This is a guy that talked crap about Drew Brees one of the 5 best QB's in the league. What the hell do you think he is going to say about SuperBob
That's not really fair. He allegedly, from his girlfriends Twitter account (so it could have been her), said Brees was still really good but was losing arm strength. That's probably true.
He said a whole lot more then that. Said Payton is addicted to pain killers and moved camp so he could be close to his mistress. He won't admit to the belt whipping even though it's clear it was him.

The Saints are a lot of money to cut him but he's a good player.

 
Just saw on twitter we extended Kerrigan. Woot!Woot!
The extension is for 5 years, $57.5M, with $24.28M guaranteed. He plays this year for $7.03 M.

This is the type of contract Orakpo thought he was worth, but could not get. I know franchising Orakpo did not turn out well, but the Redskins did well not to sign Orakpo to a long term contract.
Franchising Orakpo was the right move last year. They had the cap space and it didn't preclude them from signing any other free agents.
 
ConnSKINS26 said:
hammerva said:
Listening to the radio on this and while I am not surprised it is funny. For the last month or two the Cowboys have been mocked (with good reason) for bringing in these idiots like Greg Hardy. now the Skins have a guy with similar ability, similar willingness for a small contract, and similar off the field headaches and it is like "violence against women never heard of it as long as we win" I would typical Skins but more typical NFL fan because there are 4 or 5 other teams interested in him and I bet those teams fans have the same mindset

This is a guy that talked crap about Drew Brees one of the 5 best QB's in the league. What the hell do you think he is going to say about SuperBob
That's not really fair. He allegedly, from his girlfriends Twitter account (so it could have been her), said Brees was still really good but was losing arm strength. That's probably true.
He said a whole lot more then that. Said Payton is addicted to pain killers and moved camp so he could be close to his mistress. He won't admit to the belt whipping even though it's clear it was him.

The Saints are a lot of money to cut him but he's a good player.
Allegedly said, it's not clear if it was him or his girlfriend. Either way, I was just responding to the inaccurate comment about Brees in the post I quoted, seemed purposely misleading.

 
I don't like it, this guy is nuts but it's a one year deal and they just cut him if he does anything bad off the field. I imagine he's been informed of that but some of these guys just can't help it.

 
It's a 1-year deal at the league minimum....It's really a no-lose situation. Even as a part-time player, at that price, he's a good value.

If he has a good year and keeps his nose clean, it's a win for the Skins b/c we got that year of production for cheap, and it's a win for him because he can get more in his next deal.

If he has a bad year or has more issues, we're not out much if we cut him, and we can cut him whenever we want. That'd really stink for him b/c if he's not worth the league minimum, he's probably not going to catch on elsewhere.

 
The Washington Redskins look to be without cornerback Bashaud Breeland. NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reports Breeland suffered an injury to his MCL on Friday and will miss the rest of camp.

Prior to sustaining the injury, the NFL announced the second-year player has been suspended for one game without pay for violating the NFL's substance-abuse policy. Breeland received a misdemeanor citation for possession of marijuana in August 2014.
Breeland was slotted to battle DeAngelo Hall -- returning from injury -- for the starting job opposite free agent acquisition Chris Culliver. Washington hopes the young corner will make a jump in Year 2 as they attempt to solidify a shaky secondary under new coordinator Joe Barry.
NFL.COM

 
Interesting that if you look at first and second string players on both sides of the ball...

On defense: 11 of 22 are new players

On offense: 2 of 22 are new players

(don't hold me to those numbers, but I think they are close to correct)

I think it was smart to fix the defense the most because it's the fastest way to make a crappy team better.

But the holes on offense are still glaring: Questions at QB, lack of size at WR, depth issues on the OL, and often injured TEs. Teams are still going to stack the box until the QBs and WRs prove they can connect on something other than 4-5 yard routes.

 
Interesting that if you look at first and second string players on both sides of the ball...

On defense: 11 of 22 are new players

On offense: 2 of 22 are new players

(don't hold me to those numbers, but I think they are close to correct)

I think it was smart to fix the defense the most because it's the fastest way to make a crappy team better.

But the holes on offense are still glaring: Questions at QB, lack of size at WR, depth issues on the OL, and often injured TEs. Teams are still going to stack the box until the QBs and WRs prove they can connect on something other than 4-5 yard routes.
Our offense hasn't really been a problem the last couple of seasons. The OL has needed to be upgraded, but other than that, I think there's enough there to be successful. Of course, alot of that comes down to the QB situation, but the same can probably be said for at least half the league.

On defense, we were a total disaster the last few seasons. Bringing in the guys they have, should certainly help. If we can have a league average defense and just get average QB play, this team could make things interesting this year. Both aren't lock to happen, but it wouldn't surprise me.

 
No comments on Schereff playing Gaurd and Moses at Right Tackle?
They just seem to be surprised at how quickly Moses is coming along.

That was always part of the beauty of drafting Scherff. He's really versatile, and is probably best suited to NFL G play, even though he'd make a fine tackle. But whatever gives them a chance to get the best starting five on the field is definitely worth trying. :shrug:

 
DJack hurt his shoulder on the first play of 1 on 1's, had it wrapped up as he left the field. Probably wants to get out of training camp.

 
DJack hurt his shoulder on the first play of 1 on 1's, had it wrapped up as he left the field. Probably wants to get out of training camp.
Apparently while running a route he slipped and ran into a blocking sled. Bet they move those further away from actual team drills now

 
Jackson with a separated shoulder and will miss a "couple of weeks". Hall with a groin injury.

Just dandy!
Remember when Portis had that separated shoulder in the 2006 preseason game? He played some week 1, missed week 2, and then was good the next few weeks before facing more injuries. Based on that one example and my medical degree from the Shark Pool, I'm not worried about Jackson.

 
Jackson with a separated shoulder and will miss a "couple of weeks". Hall with a groin injury.

Just dandy!
Remember when Portis had that separated shoulder in the 2006 preseason game? He played some week 1, missed week 2, and then was good the next few weeks before facing more injuries. Based on that one example and my medical degree from the Shark Pool, I'm not worried about Jackson.
It sucks for DJax, but I guess it's better now than closer to the season. Let's say it's a 3 week recovery time, he could potentially be back for the final preseason game if they wanted to give him some reps

 
Jackson with a separated shoulder and will miss a "couple of weeks". Hall with a groin injury.

Just dandy!
Remember when Portis had that separated shoulder in the 2006 preseason game? He played some week 1, missed week 2, and then was good the next few weeks before facing more injuries. Based on that one example and my medical degree from the Shark Pool, I'm not worried about Jackson.
It sucks for DJax, but I guess it's better now than closer to the season. Let's say it's a 3 week recovery time, he could potentially be back for the final preseason game if they wanted to give him some reps
He should be back in 2 weeks but why rush it? I'd let him sit the entire preseason at this point. Really, depending on severity, a solid month would be ideal.
 
Jackson with a separated shoulder and will miss a "couple of weeks". Hall with a groin injury.

Just dandy!
Remember when Portis had that separated shoulder in the 2006 preseason game? He played some week 1, missed week 2, and then was good the next few weeks before facing more injuries. Based on that one example and my medical degree from the Shark Pool, I'm not worried about Jackson.
It sucks for DJax, but I guess it's better now than closer to the season. Let's say it's a 3 week recovery time, he could potentially be back for the final preseason game if they wanted to give him some reps
He should be back in 2 weeks but why rush it? I'd let him sit the entire preseason at this point. Really, depending on severity, a solid month would be ideal.
Very true. If he's ready in 2 weeks, just have him participate in practices.

 
No comments on Schereff playing Gaurd and Moses at Right Tackle?
They just seem to be surprised at how quickly Moses is coming along.

That was always part of the beauty of drafting Scherff. He's really versatile, and is probably best suited to NFL G play, even though he'd make a fine tackle. But whatever gives them a chance to get the best starting five on the field is definitely worth trying. :shrug:
I have not seen anything written about Moses or Long recently. I heard Callahan wants versatility in his linemen.

When Scherff was drafted, everyone in the organization said he was playing RT. This change, even if temporary, means either Moses is developing faster than expected or Long is developing slower than expected.

 
No comments on Schereff playing Gaurd and Moses at Right Tackle?
They just seem to be surprised at how quickly Moses is coming along.

That was always part of the beauty of drafting Scherff. He's really versatile, and is probably best suited to NFL G play, even though he'd make a fine tackle. But whatever gives them a chance to get the best starting five on the field is definitely worth trying. :shrug:
I have not seen anything written about Moses or Long recently. I heard Callahan wants versatility in his linemen.

When Scherff was drafted, everyone in the organization said he was playing RT. This change, even if temporary, means either Moses is developing faster than expected or Long is developing slower than expected.
But I think the talk around the league at the time of the draft was that Scherff was really a G and not a T. There was criticism of the pick because "you don't take guards that high in the draft". The team may have said he was RT at the time, but most projections for him were G. I saw a tweet yesterday indicating that he was doing well at G. It was something along the lines of "Fans will stop complaining about Scherff being at G once they see the holes he opens in the running game".

 
No comments on Schereff playing Gaurd and Moses at Right Tackle?
They just seem to be surprised at how quickly Moses is coming along.

That was always part of the beauty of drafting Scherff. He's really versatile, and is probably best suited to NFL G play, even though he'd make a fine tackle. But whatever gives them a chance to get the best starting five on the field is definitely worth trying. :shrug:
I have not seen anything written about Moses or Long recently. I heard Callahan wants versatility in his linemen.

When Scherff was drafted, everyone in the organization said he was playing RT. This change, even if temporary, means either Moses is developing faster than expected or Long is developing slower than expected.
But I think the talk around the league at the time of the draft was that Scherff was really a G and not a T. There was criticism of the pick because "you don't take guards that high in the draft". The team may have said he was RT at the time, but most projections for him were G. I saw a tweet yesterday indicating that he was doing well at G. It was something along the lines of "Fans will stop complaining about Scherff being at G once they see the holes he opens in the running game".
It looks like McCloughan doesn't really care about that.

I did find these tidbits:

The Redskins say they just want the best five on the field and won’t keep Scherff at right tackle if the line is better with him at guard and Moses at tackle. But they do like Long. Both Long and Scherff have had a tougher time adjusting to pass protection.
Moses has done a better job this summer of staying low and playing with more balance and power. Scherff has struggled in one-on-one pass protection drills, particularly vs. linebacker Ryan Kerrigan.
Here is the full article: http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/18691/redskins-try-brandon-scherff-at-guard-with-morgan-moses-at-tackle

 
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I don't mind if Scherff is struggling vs Kerrigan. He's going up against Pro-Bowl caliber competition and getting valuable experience. Nothing better than 'trial by fire' reps before the snaps start counting. With the Draft over, I've let the water run under the bridge on Draft Position...I guess. If he's a dominant road-grader, and the other 3/5 of the line are holding their own, all the better. At this point, it's all about the overall quality of the what I think is the most important unit on the Team to improve. If the secondary is shredded due to injury, we'd better be able to do everything we can on offense to keep up the time of possession and scoring pace with our weekly opponents.

 
For the people who are wrapped up on Scherff's draft position and now playing RG, I actually think guards will be more highly valued going forward. LT will continue to be the premium position, but guards and centers will be more highly valued than they have in the past.

Also, the past years have shown us that offensive linemen are not easy to find in free agency. The really good ones usually get extensions from their teams, so the available ones are not that good. See Chris Chester and Shawn Lauvao.

 
On ESPN 980 yesterday, the drive guys got a note from Doc Walker. Doc liked moving Scherff to guard and said another change on the OL was coming. The guys immediately though Lauvao could be benched.

 
For the people who are wrapped up on Scherff's draft position and now playing RG, I actually think guards will be more highly valued going forward. LT will continue to be the premium position, but guards and centers will be more highly valued than they have in the past.

Also, the past years have shown us that offensive linemen are not easy to find in free agency. The really good ones usually get extensions from their teams, so the available ones are not that good. See Chris Chester and Shawn Lauvao.
I don't get the issue with having Scherff play guard. Isn't that what most draft analysts thought would be his best position anyway? Who cares where we drafted him. We got the guy who was regarded as the best OL in the draft. Mainly because he could play G or T. I have zero issue with whatever position they decide to play him at as long as he plays well.

 

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