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Lol.  His accountant testified that he didn't disclose his income or ownership stakes in foreign entities on his taxes and told his accountants multiple times that he had no foreign bank accounts.  In emails.

 
-fish- said:
Similar to the owner of the clothing company yesterday, Manafort's landscaper today testified that at least one invoice was a fake, that Manafort spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on landscaping, and that he was paid by international wire transfer from five different sources.
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:lmao:

 
Henry Ford said:
Many juries have no focus to begin with.  That’s why some lawyers try to say the same thing 1,000 times and hope they heard it once. 
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So true.

So true.

It's why I hate when a judge tells me, we've been over this counsellor, move on.

So true.

 
I'm not following the trial closely, but please someone post when they reveal in evidence that he owned 4 banana slicers.

 
-fish- said:
Similar to the owner of the clothing company yesterday, Manafort's landscaper today testified that at least one invoice was a fake, that Manafort spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on landscaping, and that he was paid by international wire transfer from five different sources.
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can you break this down for me?  Manafort used the fake invoices as as a way to launder money?  but then he paid that money to the landscaper?  and what did the landscaper do with it?  and did the landscaper think that the excessive bills racked up were odd?

edit: i guess he was paying the landscaper all the money "legitimately" and then separately using the fake invoices to launder money?  was the point to establish that he really was this lavish by paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for real so that he could then launder more with the fake invoices and not look out of place?

 
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As Regolizio talked at length about the many flowers he planted and maintained on Manafort’s property, prosecutor Brandon Van Grack cut him off, saying jurors had heard enough.

“I like to talk about my work,” Regolizio said, smiling.
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lol

 
Long Ball Larry said:
can you break this down for me?  Manafort used the fake invoices as as a way to launder money?  but then he paid that money to the landscaper?  and what did the landscaper do with it?  and did the landscaper think that the excessive bills racked up were odd?
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Manafort:  I have no money, but this company in Cyprus does.  It will send you the money.  Of course, I have to pay taxes in Cyprus, so I will need an invoice.

Landscaper: Here is an invoice for the work.

Manafort: Gates, would you prepare a similar invoice, but this time make it out to the company in Cyprus?

Gates: Yes. 

Cyprus accountants: I see your company paid for landscaping in America for its investments.  Seems all in order.  It has been paid from the company's huge bank accounts in foreign countries.

American accountants: I see you do not have any money in banks in foreign countries to report or ownership of foreign companies.

 
Bucky86 said:
I’m guessing that the landscaper testified that an invoice that Manafort had showing hundreds of thousands was never actually paid to him.
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But a similar invoice (the one sent to Manafort) was.  From a foreign bank account owned by one of his companies.

 
Cyprus's corporate tax rate is 12.5%.  And not declaring the money meant he didn't have to tell anyone he was being paid millions by foreign governments/oligarchs and didn't have to pay U.S. tax rates on it. But then it's frozen outside the U.S., and he wanted stuff here.  

 
So at the end of week 1, really all that's left is proving he knew he had to report these things and intentionally didn't.  That's a big deal, but I would imagine Gates can carry that.

Edit: to the extent that "he's hiding all this stuff for exactly that purpose" doesn't already.  

 
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Henry Ford said:
Manafort:  I have no money, but this company in Cyprus does.  It will send you the money.  Of course, I have to pay taxes in Cyprus, so I will need an invoice.

Landscaper: Here is an invoice for the work.

Manafort: Gates, would you prepare a similar invoice, but this time make it out to the company in Cyprus?

Gates: Yes. 

Cyprus accountants: I see your company paid for landscaping in America for its investments.  Seems all in order.  It has been paid from the company's huge bank accounts in foreign countries.

American accountants: I see you do not have any money in banks in foreign countries to report or ownership of foreign companies.
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I take it this is where the inept pdf’ing skillzz came in.

 
Paraphrasing my favorite Twitter comment about the ostrich jacket, Manafort was sending a message that he's not a flight risk.

 
Yankee23Fan said:
So true.

So true.

It's why I hate when a judge tells me, we've been over this counsellor, move on.

So true.
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Actually I kind of like being scolded from time to time by the judge.  It is a nice tag to use in close to help direct the jury's attention to the matter.  You know, I'm not going to spend a lot of time here belaboring element # ____ and the proof thereof.  You all heard his honor direct me to move to the contested points so that's what I am going to do now. This, of course draws objections, discussion, and direction and all the time the jury gets that the defendant (in my matters) has lost this point and that the defense counsel is upset and reeling.

I also like to draw an objection for an inflammatory characterization as the jury's ears perk up.  Again, the defense counsel is drawing attention to severe, even mortal wounds being inflicted.  When this happens I always withdraw even before his honor rules and I rephrase hyper-precisely and clinically which is always worse in the end and not subject to objection.

 
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Mister CIA said:
Paraphrasing my favorite Twitter comment about the ostrich jacket, Manafort was sending a message that he's not a flight risk.
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A year or so ago, Seth Meyers had a line about Manafort: "he looks like one of the guys Henry Hill meets at the bar in the beginning of Goodfellas." 

 
Henry Ford said:
So at the end of week 1, really all that's left is proving he knew he had to report these things and intentionally didn't.  That's a big deal, but I would imagine Gates can carry that.

Edit: to the extent that "he's hiding all this stuff for exactly that purpose" doesn't already.  
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Forgive my laziness, do you know the mens rea requirement for these charges?  I assume knowingly based on the defense, but again, I am lazy. 

 
Mister CIA said:
Paraphrasing my favorite Twitter comment about the ostrich jacket, Manafort was sending a message that he's not a flight risk.
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I hate it when I see a joke that actually makes me jealous I didn’t make it. 

I have to admit, though, I was kind of hoping the ostrich jacket was more Liberace and less Members Only. 

 
Koya said:
Unless you show me some objective backing, gonna call you out as a liar on this one.

Why must folks put out such balatant freakin' lies?
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Because, to embrace Trumpism, the requirement is to make #### up to protect the leader.

 
bradyfan said:
http://archive.is/vKUY2
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I believe part of the problem is “some.”  That means more than one (generally more than two.) 

Also, Brianna Wu is a gamer who as far as I know has never been elected to public office and has zero backing from the party, but is running a campaign for the House on Twitch.  

So yes, one Democrat (registered, not elected) probably wants the death penalty for Manafort. Probably many do.  But that’s virtually meaningless.  Many Republican voters want a white ethno-state.  Many Independent voters want to remove our lizard people overlords and take back our planet.  

 
Henry Ford said:
I believe part of the problem is “some.”  That means more than one (generally more than two.) 

Also, Brianna Wu is a gamer who as far as I know has never been elected to public office and has zero backing from the party, but is running a campaign for the House on Twitch.  

So yes, one Democrat (registered, not elected) probably wants the death penalty for Manafort. Probably many do.  But that’s virtually meaningless.  Many Republican voters want a white ethno-state.  Many Independent voters want to remove our lizard people overlords and take back our planet.  
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She also sa D “when he is tried for treason”.  Which is unlikely to come close to that...

 
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