Paul Manafort Thread (4 Viewers)

[Koya]

This woman is running for Congress in MA

http://archive.is/vKUY2

It appears you are indeed still lying. Do you think this helps when you bring about a legitimate point?

1. It's ONE person, not "some democrats" - flat lie on your part and an obvious attempt at misinformation. It's crap like this that taints literally anything you say because it's such a pattern, and you do at times bring good points to the table

2. She CLEARLY says she sees the opportunity for capital punishment as a bargaining tool to get a plea. It's weak, no context and no nuance mirepresentations like that which beg the question: are you unable to comprehend what she CLEARLY wrote or did you comprehend it and purposely mislead, especially by suggesting it's democrats rather than one person - that one person providing clear context.

So yeah, please stop lying and stop purposefully misrepresenting. 

 

[Koya]

Because it’s a lie.

It's ANOTHER lie by a certain set of folks intent on using lies and misrepresentations as their basic MO.

They are liars and deserve to be called out as such until/unless they want to have the decency and simple courage to well, not repeatedly lie - sometimes straight up flat falsehoods, sometimes purposeful exaggeration, often misinformation and purposefully excision of important points of context that literally result in the overall statement being well, a lie. 

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I am not looking for your approval for my posts.

That’s probably a wise choice.

 

[Sheriff Bart]

And then selling the class roster to CrimeStoppers for the reward?

There’s no squealing. Unless you get pinched for a long stay. 

 

[Henry Ford]

I am not looking for your approval for my posts.

That’s a good idea. 

 

[msommer]

I believe part of the problem is “some.”  That means more than one (generally more than two.) 

Also, Brianna Wu is a gamer who as far as I know has never been elected to public office and has zero backing from the party, but is running a campaign for the House on Twitch.  

So yes, one Democrat (registered, not elected) probably wants the death penalty for Manafort. Probably many do.  But that’s virtually meaningless.  Many Republican voters want a white ethno-state.  Many Independent voters want to remove our lizard people overlords and take back our planet.  

Remember the uproar from the usual suspects when tim made a new thread about something a caller said on talk radio about the incredibles two being leftist propaganda?

I'm sure the usual suspects will be right along to chastize bradyfan for his similar sweeping generalizations...

 

[Henry Ford]

Remember the uproar from the usual suspects when tim made a new thread about something a caller said on talk radio about the incredibles two being leftist propaganda?

I'm sure the usual suspects will be right along to chastize bradyfan for his similar sweeping generalizations...

Yes, self-awareness is a big thing there. 

 

[msommer]

Yes, self-awareness is a big thing there. 

Joe will probably chime in any minute now too

 

[Rirruto]

If I were writing this novel, I'd leave a MAGA dude on this jury and have it hang. Just for the theatre of it all. There's effectively 0% chance Manafort is found not guilty, but a hung jury might be almost as good for him.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I’m kinda tired of getting so much approval.

Of course you are.

 

[Henry Ford]

All the replies reminded me of when Hillary got defensive, not a pretty sight.

She’s seldom a very pretty sight. 

 

[Sinn Fein]

Some Democrats are calling for the death penalty for Manafort.

If Manafort were convicted of Treason - which was the premise - do you think the death penalty would be an appropriate punishment for someone who is found guilty of treason?

I am not up on my penal code, but I believe that treason is a capital offense, which could subject someone to the death penalty.

Or, are you one of those people who think the death penalty is only for "bad"  (wink, wink) people, and not "good" people who commit treason*?

*I am not suggesting Manafort committed treason, but in the example you cited, that was the premise of the death penalty, that he was charged and convicted of treason.  There was no suggestion of the death penalty for the crimes of which he has been charged.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

These are the same people who have recently discovered the injustice that is people being jailed without having been convicted of a crime. Did you know it happened to manafort for the first time ever? 

Probably also worth mentioning Manafort & Yanukovych happily jailed innocents, and worse, while in power in Ukraine.

 

[Rirruto]

These are the same people who have recently discovered the injustice that is people being jailed without having been convicted of a crime. Did you know it happened to manafort for the first time ever? 

Right. And having your bond revoked for committing further crimes is a far cry from not being able to come up with money for a bondsman in the first place. 

 

[Arizona Ron]

No way he can pull that off.  Thoughts @Arizona Ron?

Any jacket with a tapered waist & cuff looks like a Starter jacket to me.  This is atrocious. 

 

[joffer]

https://twitter.com/jjouvenal/status/1026537835208351744?s=21

Gates is the next witness

 

[Mookie]

https://twitter.com/jjouvenal/status/1026537835208351744?s=21

Gates is the next witness

Oh boy, here we go.

 

[Sabertooth]

 

[Plorfu]

Rick Gates is on the stand now.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

NBC News✔@NBCNews

BREAKING: Rick Gates in trial:

Prosecutor: "Were you involved in any criminal activity with Mr. Manafort?"

Gates: "Yes."

Prosecutor: "Did you commit any crimes with Mr. Manafort?"

Gates: "Yes."http://NBCNews.com

 

[Plorfu]

Mr Gates has testified that Mr Manafort's associate Konstantin Kilimnik was listed on the foreign accounts

Neat.

 

[Plorfu]

And Gates admitted to stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars from Manafort. That's a lot of ostrich jackets.

 

[msommer]

https://twitter.com/jjouvenal/status/1026537835208351744?s=21

Gates is the next witness

Those twitter reactions are hilarious

 

[SacramentoBob]

Not sure why you guys believe Gates.  He just admitted to being a criminal.

 

[Henry Ford]

Not sure why you guys believe Gates.  He just admitted to being a criminal.

Same argument goes for Sammy "the Bull."  That's how these things go.

 

[Henry Ford]

Manafort defiant to the end.

 

[Sinn Fein]

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"Fronting" is the term for prosecutors asking Gates very early on the stuff that damages him -- like him stealing from Manafort and lying to the FBI -- to take the sting out of later cross-examination. @MerriamWebster

2:08 PM - 6 Aug 2018

Oh, I thought you said "frotting"

 

[SacramentoBob]

A pretty nice start to infrastructure week.

 

[Koya]

And Gates admitted to stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars from Manafort. That's a lot of ostrich jackets.

I mean, not THAT many. 

 

[Long Ball Larry]

 @Popehat

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"Fronting" is the term for prosecutors asking Gates very early on the stuff that damages him -- like him stealing from Manafort and lying to the FBI -- to take the sting out of later cross-examination. @MerriamWebster

2:08 PM - 6 Aug 2018

Why you frontin’?

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

 @Popehat

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"Fronting" is the term for prosecutors asking Gates very early on the stuff that damages him -- like him stealing from Manafort and lying to the FBI -- to take the sting out of later cross-examination. @MerriamWebster

2:08 PM - 6 Aug 2018

Ain’t No Future In Yo Frontin

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

And Gates admitted to stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars from Manafort. That's a lot of ostrich jackets.

This is a really good episode.

 

[Qanon]

Don't know if this has been discussed here but Manafort and Carter Page were plants into the Trump administration. Neither of them will have any impact on Trump. Sorry if that was a hope for some. I assume you all know this.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

oh lord

 

[Sheriff Bart]

We need a "quick ignore" button. 

 

[That one guy]

Don't know if this has been discussed here but Manafort and Carter Page were plants into the Trump administration. Neither of them will have any impact on Trump. Sorry if that was a hope for some. I assume you all know this.

Is The Smoking Man involved at any point?  Be a hell of a crossover move by the writers at Fox, but I’d be in for the ride 

 

[Sheriff Bart]

Always start Gates. 

 

[Koya]

Always start Gates. 

That 3 TD fantasy playoff game (maybe real late season?) he had for me was pretty sweet. Was at a brutal holiday party for the exes office and that kept me juiced throughout. 

 

[Sinn Fein]

Don't know if this has been discussed here but Manafort and Carter Page were plants into the Trump administration. Neither of them will have any impact on Trump. Sorry if that was a hope for some. I assume you all know this.

It is known.

 

[Biff84]

Don't know if this has been discussed here but Manafort and Carter Page were plants into the Trump administration. Neither of them will have any impact on Trump. Sorry if that was a hope for some. I assume you all know this.

Yeah they were and probably Flynn and Papadopoulos too. The were planted by Putin and graciously accepted by Trump. Not sure why you think this helps your argument.

 

[Koya]

Yeah they were and probably Flynn and Papadopoulos too. The were planted by Putin and graciously accepted by Trump. Not sure why you think this helps your argument.

A "new" alias. A handful of posts. The name Qanon.

Just literally ignore it. 

 

[Man of Constant Sorrow]

No honor among thieves. 

I'm hoping that @Sheriff Bart can correct this when he opens his new crime school. :(

 

[SWC]

Always start Gates. 

bump finley take that to the bank bromigos 

 

[Sheriff Bart]

I'm hoping that @Sheriff Bart can correct this when he opens his new crime school. :(

Believe me, it was a very important lesson that was taught to me when I was a young man. It will be in the syllabus. 

 

[roadkill1292]

...Manafort needs to be understood as a symptom of a global epidemic of kleptocracy...

Nice turn of phrase in Franklin Foer's piece at The Atlantic today. Maybe there's no direct linkage with Trump but Manafort and Gates were clearly very comfortable with skimming techniques and attitudes they picked up in eastern Europe and were importing it here. 

Our political corruption in this country has long been baked in and legitimized but electing the Trump Gang gave rise to a whole new style and scope of graft. I don't think we've even seen the tip of the iceberg yet.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Nice turn of phrase in Franklin Foer's piece at The Atlantic today. Maybe there's no direct linkage with Trump but Manafort and Gates were clearly very comfortable with skimming techniques and attitudes they picked up in eastern Europe and were importing it here. 

Our political corruption in this country has long been baked in and legitimized but electing the Trump Gang gave rise to a whole new style and scope of graft. I don't think we've even seen the tip of the iceberg yet.

This is the actual swamp.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Moving millions from Cyprus to The Grenadines. Uhm, yes not my usual life experience.

- eta - Zoe is a good follow.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I get the anti-establishment gestalt of Trumpites, but why or how they could cheer for thieves & leaches like Manafort I have no idea.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

What is the cross like on these witnesses?   Has the defense team made any progress?  I’m only seeing reporting on testimony in favor of jail time. 

 

[Mookie]

What is the cross like on these witnesses?   Has the defense team made any progress?  I’m only seeing reporting on testimony in favor of jail time. 

This is direct examination by prosecution.  Cross examination will come later today and possibly tomorrow.