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parasaurolophus said:
Probably more to it.

People don't really know who she is. They can see in that picture that nobody was there to even call her any names. Colin started by sitting down for the anthem, not taking a knee. Probably would have gone a lot better for him if he had started that way. She doesn't have any previous disdain pointing at her for being a bum on the field. She didnt double down by wearing shin guards with cops dressed as pigs on them.  

The people that are mad at Kaep simply because he is black are a small minority. They exist, but I don't believe there are very many of them.  
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Kaep didn't either. The socks had been worn in practice, not when he was sitting down during the anthem before the game.

 
squistion said:
No, and they are not screaming for her to leave the country either, probably because she is white.
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Does everyone who supports Kaepernick here like to post the dumbest #### they possibly can? 

I haven't heard anyone scream at Jeremy Lane to leave the country.  He apparently likes to post on twitter about killing cops.  Those are the people you are supporting :thumbup:

 
Donkey Derp said:
Does everyone who supports Kaepernick here like to post the dumbest #### they possibly can? 

I haven't heard anyone scream at Jeremy Lane to leave the country.  He apparently likes to post on twitter about killing cops.  Those are the people you are supporting
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I am supporting their right of free expression in sitting or kneeling during the anthem, not for all or any of their political views or statements.

 
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Donkey Derp said:
Does everyone who supports Kaepernick here like to post the dumbest #### they possibly can? 

I haven't heard anyone scream at Jeremy Lane to leave the country.  He apparently likes to post on twitter about killing cops.  Those are the people you are supporting :thumbup:
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Pretty sure it's not those individuals that "they" are supporting, but rather their right to protest/object to something that they perceive to be an injustice.  Either way, I'm amazed at how your ilk (not meant to disparage, probably poor choice of wording)  fail to comprehend the core issue being debated here.  It's not about Colin the person, it's about his entitled right(s), as an American, to express himself...a right fought for, & died for, by other Americans. :2cents:

 
squistion said:
I am supporting their right of free expression in sitting or kneeling during the anthem, not for all or any of their political views or statements.
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How many people in here have said he doesn't have the right to do it? 

 
parasaurolophus said:
How many people in here have said he doesn't have the right to do it? 
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A Straw Man and irrelevant to the point I was making. Never claimed people said that, however people repeatedly keep saying that he shouldn't be doing it and should be punished for exercising that right in the form of being cut by the 49ers, public ostracism, leaving the country, and in at least one instance, justifying violence taken against him in the future.

The OP I was responding to specifically said that I supported a player who likes to tweet about killing cops. That wasn't true, I was supporting that player's right to silently protest the anthem.

 
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squistion said:
A Straw Man and irrelevant to the point I was making. Never claimed people said that, however people repeatedly keep saying that he shouldn't be doing it and should be punished for exercising that right in the form of being cut by the 49ers, public ostracism, leaving the country, and in at least one instance, justifying violence taken against him in the future.

The OP I was responding to specifically said that I supported a player who likes to tweet about killing cops. That wasn't true, I was supporting that player's right to silently protest the anthem.
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You are saying you don't support his stances, just his right to have them. Everybody in this thread agrees with you. Yet here you are still complaining about people not supporting him. You can support his right to sit during the anthem and still want him cut for doing it. Those two things are not opposites. The straw man here is you trying to claim that people asking for him to be cut or publicly ostracized or for him to go live somewhere else don't support his right to do it. I wont even discuss the other issue since I don't think anybody in this thread has mentioned that, and if they have I dismiss them as nutso. 

 
Kafka said:
Pretty sure it's not those individuals that "they" are supporting, but rather their right to protest/object to something that they perceive to be an injustice.  Either way, I'm amazed at how your ilk (not meant to disparage, probably poor choice of wording)  fail to comprehend the core issue being debated here.  It's not about Colin the person, it's about his entitled right(s), as an American, to express himself...a right fought for, & died for, by other Americans. :2cents:
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If that's your argument, then you're arguing in an echo chamber against yourself. Nobody has ever once in here denied the fact that Kaepernick or [no name] soccer player has the right to protest. There's no argument about rights. Some people have expressed their opinion that the nature and form of the protest was misguided, at best, and downright insulting and inflammatory, at worst.

Kaep has the right to protest and voice his opinion. He's not guaranteed a free pass to remain free from criticism- that's not a right. 

 
parasaurolophus said:
You are saying you don't support his stances, just his right to have them. Everybody in this thread agrees with you. Yet here you are still complaining about people not supporting him. You can support his right to sit during the anthem and still want him cut for doing it. Those two things are not opposites. The straw man here is you trying to claim that people asking for him to be cut or publicly ostracized or for him to go live somewhere else don't support his right to do it. I wont even discuss the other issue since I don't think anybody in this thread has mentioned that, and if they have I dismiss them as nutso. 
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I have never claimed that, but you keep propping up that Straw Man.

And, yes, while it is not been explicitly stated, on some level, it does seems implicit in the arguments by the anti-Kaep crowd. If one is saying that he shouldn't be doing it even though he has the right, and should be punished for doing it, then it is not much a leap to say that it should be prohibited by law. And when there are calls for him to lose his job, blackballed from the NFL, be publically shamed and asked to leave the country, it doesn't seem to show much respect for his right to silently protest by kneeling during the anthem.

And if everyone agreed with me that he has the right to do this, then what is all the excitement about? If that was the point of view, then everyone should have just shrugged it off and there wouldn't have been a controversy, nor a thread about it in this forum.

 
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squistion said:
I have never claimed that, but you keep propping up that Straw Man.

And, yes, while it is not been explicitly stated, it does seems implicit in the arguments by the anti-Kaep crowd. If one is saying that he shouldn't be doing it even though he has the right, and should be punished for doing it, then it is not much a leap to say that it should be prohibited by law. And when there are calls for him to lose his job, blackballed from the NFL, be publically shamed and asked to leave the country, it doesn't seem to show much respect for his right to silently protest by kneeling during the anthem.

And if everyone agreed with me that he has the right to do this, then what is all the excitement about? If that was the point of view, then everyone should have just shrugged it off and there wouldn't have been a controversy, nor a thread about it in this forum.
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You're clearly misunderstanding the word "right". As an individual, he has the right to his opinion and a right to express it in ways that are not illegal. He does not have a right to "no criticism." Other people have the right to come unglued on Twitter and message boards and call for him to get out of the country. The fact that you perceive other people criticizing him as wrong is hypocrisy.

as an employee of the 49ers, he also has a contractual obligation not to do anything that reflects poorly on the franchise. SF has done well not to try and discipline him for this, but if they felt it was a distraction, they are within their legal rights to pursue some course of action to discipline him. 

 
I didn't serve to protect a piece of cloth or a song. I served to protect the people's freedoms which include not standing for the anthem.

 
ProstheticRGK said:
If that's your argument, then you're arguing in an echo chamber against yourself. Nobody has ever once in here denied the fact that Kaepernick or [no name] soccer player has the right to protest. There's no argument about rights. Some people have expressed their opinion that the nature and form of the protest was misguided, at best, and downright insulting and inflammatory, at worst.

Kaep has the right to protest and voice his opinion. He's not guaranteed a free pass to remain free from criticism- that's not a right. 
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You are correct relative to this board...I think.  Maybe I just lumped all the reactions in social media together, & if I misjudged the debate here, in this thread, I apologize.

 
NCCommish said:
I didn't serve to protect a piece of cloth or a song. I served to protect the people's freedoms which include not standing for the anthem.
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Me either/too. That includes the rights of Illinois nazis to throw a protest. Wish it also included the rights of Jake and Elwood to gun the blues mobile at them and make them jump off a bridge.

completely non-interesting side note: been thinking about ultra-patriotism since this thread popped up. I personally dislike the actions of people who show disrespect for the Anthem, or the flag. But, I realized that I was programmed during my time in the military to make those associations. I have strong associations between showing respect for the emblems of our nation and my feelings of everything good about this country. That is a useful mental construct to have as a 19-year-old kid that may have to will himself into taking another human life. Maybe not so useful for a middle-aged suburban guy. Food for thought.

 
Doug Baldwin of the Seahawks in response...

You're walking down a street and you see a man being stabbed. You run over to the man and he tells you he has just been stabbed. You look around to see that no

 one has stopped to help the wounded man. You start yelling for help. Some people look at you, but no one stops. You decide to start yelling louder and cursing to get the attention of others.



Person A arrives at the scene explaining that he felt disrespected by the way you shouted for help in front of his young daughter. He walks away disgusted, proclaiming that you should know better than to curse around children. He refuses to help because of it.

Person B shows up asking, "What do you know about being stabbed? You've never been stabbed before."

Person C arrives and says that you should worry about stabbings in your own neighborhood before worrying about stabbings in this one.

Person D suggests that if you are so outraged that someone would get stabbed here, then you should walk in a different neighborhood.

Person E joins in proclaiming that all of this is an exaggeration and no one has actually been stabbed.

Person F chimes in stating that people are stabbed far more often in other neighborhoods. He asks why you are so outraged about the stabbing in this one.

Person G adds that the man was probably stabbed for a reason so it's fine.

Person Z walks up arguing that although a man may have been stabbed, yelling for help during her morning walk isn't the time or place to do so.

..... Meanwhile, the man that was stabbed is dying.
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ProstheticRGK said:
Me either/too. That includes the rights of Illinois nazis to throw a protest. Wish it also included the rights of Jake and Elwood to gun the blues mobile at them and make them jump off a bridge.

completely non-interesting side note: been thinking about ultra-patriotism since this thread popped up. I personally dislike the actions of people who show disrespect for the Anthem, or the flag. But, I realized that I was programmed during my time in the military to make those associations. I have strong associations between showing respect for the emblems of our nation and my feelings of everything good about this country. That is a useful mental construct to have as a 19-year-old kid that may have to will himself into taking another human life. Maybe not so useful for a middle-aged suburban guy. Food for thought.
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:goodposting:

It's great that you've come to understand it.  People in the military generally aren't able to reach that degree of enlightenment.  Over time I've become much more understanding of the indoctrination that kids going into the military go through and the difficulty in overcoming it.  While I'll disagree, I'm in no position to judge their views when I haven't been through what they have.

 
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squistion said:
I have never claimed that, but you keep propping up that Straw Man.

And, yes, while it is not been explicitly stated, on some level, it does seems implicit in the arguments by the anti-Kaep crowd. If one is saying that he shouldn't be doing it even though he has the right, and should be punished for doing it, then it is not much a leap to say that it should be prohibited by law. And when there are calls for him to lose his job, blackballed from the NFL, be publically shamed and asked to leave the country, it doesn't seem to show much respect for his right to silently protest by kneeling during the anthem.

And if everyone agreed with me that he has the right to do this, then what is all the excitement about? If that was the point of view, then everyone should have just shrugged it off and there wouldn't have been a controversy, nor a thread about it in this forum.
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Except when you do claim it. :lmao:

 
cstu said:
:goodposting:

It's great that you've come to understand it.  People in the military generally aren't able to reach that degree of enlightenment.  Over time I've become much more understanding of the indoctrination that kids going into the military go through and the difficulty in overcoming it.  While I'll disagree, I'm in no position to judge their views when I haven't been through what they have.
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1) You got some balls, #######.  Without ever signing up and picking up a rifle you seem to think that because others don't believe your BS, that somehow they are indoctrinated?

2) And yet here you are, judging.

 
parasaurolophus said:
Except when you do claim it.
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And I didn't do it there. Noting that people are dissing him and showing disrespect for his expressing that right is not the same as making the claim that they are saying he does not have that right.

It appears you have some reading comprehension issues, so I don't intend to keep discussing your misrepresentations of what I am saying.

Have a good day! 

 
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MaxThreshold said:
1) You got some balls, #######.  Without ever signing up and picking up a rifle you seem to think that because others don't believe your BS, that somehow they are indoctrinated?

2) And yet here you are, judging.
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It is a simple fact that being convinced that a piece of cloth represents the USA is indoctrination.  I do think it's enlightened to understand that there are core principles of this country that must be defended (i.e. the Constitution) but that failing to stand for the anthem is not one of them.  I'm not judging because I don't think any less of a member of the military who doesn't accept disrespect of the flag because that's what they were taught and put their lives on the line for.  I have members of my family that served and I don't always agree with them but I understand and respect why they think the way they do. 

 
cstu said:
It is a simple fact that being convinced that a piece of cloth represents the USA is indoctrination.  I do think it's enlightened to understand that there are core principles of this country that must be defended (i.e. the Constitution) but that failing to stand for the anthem is not one of them.  I'm not judging because I don't think any less of a member of the military who doesn't accept disrespect of the flag because that's what they were taught and put their lives on the line for.  I have members of my family that served and I don't always agree with them but I understand and respect why they think the way they do. 
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:lol:

Um, yeah.  You kind of are judging.

 
today a friend of my wife came over and my lady offered here a wine i said fine but before she could have a sip i made her read the entire cannon of the adams jefferson debate aloud on my front porch to anyone within ear shot and then i made her light off fireworks for fourty minutes she started to resist but i called her a terrorist thug and she got back to it take that to the bank bromigos 

 
SWC said:
today a friend of my wife came over and my lady offered here a wine i said fine but before she could have a sip i made her read the entire cannon of the adams jefferson debate aloud on my front porch to anyone within ear shot and then i made her light off fireworks for fourty minutes she started to resist but i called her a terrorist thug and she got back to it take that to Bank of America bromigos 
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SWC said:
today a friend of my wife came over and my lady offered here a wine i said fine but before she could have a sip i made her read the entire cannon of the adams jefferson debate aloud on my front porch to anyone within ear shot and then i made her light off fireworks for fourty minutes she started to resist but i called her a terrorist thug and she got back to it take that to the bank bromigos 
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This schtick is already beyond old. And no, I don't mean your horrid, I can't spell or use grammar schtick. I mean this other new schtick you've seemed to grasp on too and apparently think is funny.

 
squistion said:
And I didn't do it there. Noting that people are dissing him and showing disrespect for his expressing that right is not the same as making the claim that they are saying he does not have that right.

It appears you have some reading comprehension issues, so I don't intend to keep discussing your misrepresentations of what I am saying.

Have a good day! 
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Just own it buddy. No reason to run and hide.

 And, yes, while it is not been explicitly stated, on some level, it does seems implicit in the arguments by the anti-Kaep crowd. If one is saying that he shouldn't be doing it even though he has the right, and should be punished for doing it, then it is not much a leap to say that it should be prohibited by law. And when there are calls for him to lose his job, blackballed from the NFL, be publically shamed and asked to leave the country, it doesn't seem to show much respect for his right to silently protest by kneeling during the anthem.
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You are saying that people that want him to lose his job want it to be against the law. You can try and claim misrepresentation all you want. Nobody is falling for that.

But, but I didnt say that!! I said it isnt much of a leap, not that it is 100% that way every single time!?!?!?! 

You do this all the time. It is pretty pitiful. Quit pretending you arent claiming things and stand behind what you claim. When challenged it is pretty lame to try and say you never said something. It is especially annoying when you turn right around and say the same damn thing again and then once again try and claim you didn't say it. 

If your only point is that you support Colin Kaepernick's right to protest, then shut up already and move on from this thread. Every single person in this thread has agreed with you regarding his right to do it. Literally every single person in this thread. So why the hell are you still here??? When that is pointed out you claim it is a straw man that has nothing to do with your argument.

Why don't you actually make an argument then?  

 
SWC said:
today a friend of my wife came over and my lady offered here a wine i said fine but before she could have a sip i made her read the entire cannon of the adams jefferson debate aloud on my front porch to anyone within ear shot and then i made her light off fireworks for fourty minutes she started to resist but i called her a terrorist thug and she got back to it take that to the bank bromigos 
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At one time this schtick was not so bad.  But now it is so overly political it just reeks ###.  

 
when i saw that both dallasdmac and johnymx did not like my post i wanted to say sorry but instead i called in the blue angels to put on a whole air show and then i flew to a battleship and hung up a mission accomplished banner and declared victory take that to the bank bromigos 

 
SWC said:
when i saw that both dallasdmac and johnymx did not like my post i wanted to say sorry but instead i called in the blue angels to put on a whole air show and then i flew to a battleship and hung up a mission accomplished banner and declared victory take that to the bank bromigos 
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Who cares what those dudingos think? And wrong_mx complaining about shtick is rich. Keep fighting the good fight and you can take that to bank bromigo.

 
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cstu said:
It is a simple fact that being convinced that a piece of cloth represents the USA is indoctrination.  I do think it's enlightened to understand that there are core principles of this country that must be defended (i.e. the Constitution) but that failing to stand for the anthem is not one of them.  I'm not judging because I don't think any less of a member of the military who doesn't accept disrespect of the flag because that's what they were taught and put their lives on the line for.  I have members of my family that served and I don't always agree with them but I understand and respect why they think the way they do. 
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You should do some research on the definition of "fact." 

 
cstu said:
:goodposting:

It's great that you've come to understand it.  People in the military generally aren't able to reach that degree of enlightenment.  Over time I've become much more understanding of the indoctrination that kids going into the military go through and the difficulty in overcoming it.  While I'll disagree, I'm in no position to judge their views when I haven't been through what they have.
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It's odd reading what you post about being enlightened.  Youbelieve you're more informed and knowledgeable on such a topic that involves so much subjectivity.  I mean you really do think you have all of this figured out.  Those who see it differently than you just aren't enlightened or are conditioned to believe something that isn't true.  That's a small world you live in. 

 
All things considered, things are actually going pretty well. But, yeah, if you can't deal with change, then the 21st century is going to be a tough one for you.

 
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It's odd reading what you post about being enlightened.  Youbelieve you're more informed and knowledgeable on such a topic that involves so much subjectivity.  I mean you really do think you have all of this figured out.  Those who see it differently than you just aren't enlightened or are conditioned to believe something that isn't true.  That's a small world you live in. 
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It's a song dude. Its a piece of cloth. To quote Carlin "symbols are for the symbol minded".

 
SWC said:
when i saw that both dallasdmac and johnymx did not like my post i wanted to say sorry but instead i called in the blue angels to put on a whole air show and then i flew to a battleship and hung up a mission accomplished banner and declared victory take that to the bank bromigos 
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:lmao:

Pleas do this more.  Don't let these un-American commies intimidate you.

 
i mean i did not want to say it cause hey man capitals aint really my bag but i am pretty sure hell is not an acronym so you could just type it out lower case and that my friends is the swc grammer lesson o the day take that to the bank on your way to lower case hell 

 
Ditka Butkus said:
You know...If the Ku Klux Klan attends a game carrying a confederate flag...All is good...right....After all people have freedoms...No problem...
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......yeah.....unless they wave that flag and instruct my view....then I'm calling security and asking them politely to not wave it during the game.....all is good......no problems.....

 
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