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QB Cam Newton, Retired (1 Viewer)

I'm riding this sinking ship.

Still starting him over Tannehill, but might change that in the next two weeks.

 
Godsbrother said:
NajehHejan said:
mikel0254 said:
Starting him over Sanchez and Tannehill.
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I'd personally go with Sanchez. At home with much better weapons.
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This is what I am struggling with. I have Cam in now but there is a good chance I'll switch to Sanchez. I have Benjamin too so if Cam has a good night I should get a piece of it anyway.
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I think six of one, half dozen of the other. Good matchup both ways, Sanchez has the better supporting cast, Newton is more likely to do damage with his feet. I think we need to consider that Foles isn't spectacular, but his offense is. If that is the case, Sanchez probably has the higher ceiling tonight, but probably Newton with the higher floor.

 
Ever Present Lurker said:
Godsbrother said:
NajehHejan said:
mikel0254 said:
Starting him over Sanchez and Tannehill.
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I'd personally go with Sanchez. At home with much better weapons.
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This is what I am struggling with. I have Cam in now but there is a good chance I'll switch to Sanchez. I have Benjamin too so if Cam has a good night I should get a piece of it anyway.
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I think six of one, half dozen of the other. Good matchup both ways, Sanchez has the better supporting cast, Newton is more likely to do damage with his feet. I think we need to consider that Foles isn't spectacular, but his offense is. If that is the case, Sanchez probably has the higher ceiling tonight, but probably Newton with the higher floor.
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I'd say the opposite. Cam has both a 5pt and 34pt game this year by my scoring. He's low floor high ceiling all the way. This offense probably promises Sanchez has a high floor but his talent is going to cap his ceiling.

 
Wise Old Owl said:
Ever Present Lurker said:
Godsbrother said:
NajehHejan said:
mikel0254 said:
Starting him over Sanchez and Tannehill.
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I'd personally go with Sanchez. At home with much better weapons.
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This is what I am struggling with. I have Cam in now but there is a good chance I'll switch to Sanchez. I have Benjamin too so if Cam has a good night I should get a piece of it anyway.
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I think six of one, half dozen of the other. Good matchup both ways, Sanchez has the better supporting cast, Newton is more likely to do damage with his feet. I think we need to consider that Foles isn't spectacular, but his offense is. If that is the case, Sanchez probably has the higher ceiling tonight, but probably Newton with the higher floor.
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I'd say the opposite. Cam has both a 5pt and 34pt game this year by my scoring. He's low floor high ceiling all the way. This offense probably promises Sanchez has a high floor but his talent is going to cap his ceiling.
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Be that as it may, Cam has entered the "really easy" part of his schedule, and to me, his upside is really just capped by his supporting cast. On the other hand, pretty much every QB that plays in Chip Kelly's system looks good. Foles threw for 7 TDs in his first game starting (didn't he??) - Foles is not a transcendent talent. It wouldn't shock me in the least bit of Sanchez went right off tonight.

 
Ever Present Lurker said:
Wise Old Owl said:
Ever Present Lurker said:
Godsbrother said:
NajehHejan said:
mikel0254 said:
Starting him over Sanchez and Tannehill.
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I'd personally go with Sanchez. At home with much better weapons.
Click to expand...
This is what I am struggling with. I have Cam in now but there is a good chance I'll switch to Sanchez. I have Benjamin too so if Cam has a good night I should get a piece of it anyway.
Click to expand...
I think six of one, half dozen of the other. Good matchup both ways, Sanchez has the better supporting cast, Newton is more likely to do damage with his feet. I think we need to consider that Foles isn't spectacular, but his offense is. If that is the case, Sanchez probably has the higher ceiling tonight, but probably Newton with the higher floor.
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I'd say the opposite. Cam has both a 5pt and 34pt game this year by my scoring. He's low floor high ceiling all the way. This offense probably promises Sanchez has a high floor but his talent is going to cap his ceiling.
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Be that as it may, Cam has entered the "really easy" part of his schedule, and to me, his upside is really just capped by his supporting cast. On the other hand, pretty much every QB that plays in Chip Kelly's system looks good. Foles threw for 7 TDs in his first game starting (didn't he??) - Foles is not a transcendent talent. It wouldn't shock me in the least bit of Sanchez went right off tonight.
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So this is an example of the low floor.

 
Is he really this bad? Is this lack of preparation, poor coaching, injury or all of the above. His on field antics have always rubbed me the wrong way and I'm kind of happy I haven't had to see that fake grin and Superman routine yet tonight.

 
I straight up dropped him for DAL defense after that Thursday night game. The owner that had Foles blew 40% faab to pick him up last week. It's hard to resist writing some smack talk on his game right now.

 
He is crap.

He holds the ball to long, stares down one receiver and has no pocket awareness.

That last fumble was a perfect example. A good QB will avoid that pressure by steping up in the pocket and finding a 2nd, 3rd read down field. Cam just back pedals into the pressure looking to run when it was already to late.

If Rivera had any sack he would have been benched at halftime...

 
Man...guys playing him in both my leagues got totally saved by garbage time. He looks pretty bad right now.

 
that was garbage time at it's finest. might have pulled out the win barring stat corrections later this week, but no longer starting with any confidence. His matchups look so good though....

 
So frustrating as a fantasy player. Just as he's entering the easy part of his schedule he turns in some horrible performances.

In redraft I just got offered Tannehill for him and I'm seriously considering it.

 
jbz said:
that was garbage time at it's finest. might have pulled out the win barring stat corrections later this week, but no longer starting with any confidence. His matchups look so good though....
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yep, no confidence but can't sit him against the Falconers.

 
Started him last night over Sanchez but was luckily up by 22 pts anyway so it didn't matter. Difficult situation now - RG3 ( who was my initially drafted QB ) is on waivers against Tampa, and don't really like Sanchez at Lambeau. Don't really want to drop Cam quite yet either - seems ridiculous to roster 3 QBs this week but I'm kind of leaning that way i.e. playing RG3 if I can get him and sitting on Cam and Sanchez.

Very annoying as thought the QB position wouldn't be a problem going forward with Cam and his great schedule.

Do people see any reasons for an improvement going forward, because I'm not seeing much ? Does any of that O line get back from injury anytime soon ?

 
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TartanLion said:
Started him last night over Sanchez but was luckily up by 22 pts anyway so it didn't matter. Difficult situation now - RG3 ( who was my initially drafted QB ) is on waivers against Tampa, and don't really like Sanchez at Lambeau. Don't really want to drop Cam quite yet either - seems ridiculous to roster 3 QBs this week but I'm kind of leaning that way i.e. playing RG3 if I can get him and sitting on Cam and Sanchez.

Very annoying as thought the QB position wouldn't be a problem going forward with Cam and his great schedule.

Do people see any reasons for an improvement going forward, because I'm not seeing much ? Does any of that O line get back from injury anytime soon ?
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The o-line was back except for 1 person (a rookie) :shrug:

I know lots of folks don't like the :hophead: commentators on TV and probably don't listen to them very much but Gruden was 100% correct in everything he said last night. Cam's broken...he's been defeated and has no supporting cast whatsoever. Not only that, but if we are to believe the yahoo reports, he's injured his right ankle/foot compensating for the surgically repaired left foot that didn't have enough time to heal. Sad to say, it's not going to get any better the rest of the year IMO.

 
Flipped him (and KB and C-Pat) last week for Eli (and Marshall and V-Jax). Loving it. Guy is in a bad situation with a fragile ego and a busted body.

 
Dondante said:
Flipped him (and KB and C-Pat) last week for Eli (and Marshall and V-Jax). Loving it. Guy is in a bad situation with a fragile ego and a busted body.
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There's nothing wrong with him physically. He just stinks.

Despite Cam Newton moving worse than usual Monday night and taking a career-high nine sacks as a result, Panthers coach Ron Rivera insisted Tuesday his quarterback is "not injured."

"I'm not sure where all that came from," Rivera told reporters, per NFL.com. "But he's not injured."

I know where it came from. Gruden and others thinking that because he stinks, he must be hurt. No Rivera is setting everyone straight. He stinks.

 
lod01 said:
Dondante said:
Flipped him (and KB and C-Pat) last week for Eli (and Marshall and V-Jax). Loving it. Guy is in a bad situation with a fragile ego and a busted body.
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There's nothing wrong with him physically. He just stinks.

Despite Cam Newton moving worse than usual Monday night and taking a career-high nine sacks as a result, Panthers coach Ron Rivera insisted Tuesday his quarterback is "not injured."

"I'm not sure where all that came from," Rivera told reporters, per NFL.com. "But he's not injured."

I know where it came from. Gruden and others thinking that because he stinks, he must be hurt. No Rivera is setting everyone straight. He stinks.
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The guy has two jacked up ankles :lmao:

 
lod01 said:
Dondante said:
Flipped him (and KB and C-Pat) last week for Eli (and Marshall and V-Jax). Loving it. Guy is in a bad situation with a fragile ego and a busted body.
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There's nothing wrong with him physically. He just stinks.

Despite Cam Newton moving worse than usual Monday night and taking a career-high nine sacks as a result, Panthers coach Ron Rivera insisted Tuesday his quarterback is "not injured."

"I'm not sure where all that came from," Rivera told reporters, per NFL.com. "But he's not injured."

I know where it came from. Gruden and others thinking that because he stinks, he must be hurt. No Rivera is setting everyone straight. He stinks.
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I have watched probably 99% of cams pro career and can tell you without a shadow of a doubt he is banged up badly.

 
He just looked like a beaten man out there. Probably looking across the field at Sanchize and wondering about his career.

 
pantherclub said:
lod01 said:
Dondante said:
Flipped him (and KB and C-Pat) last week for Eli (and Marshall and V-Jax). Loving it. Guy is in a bad situation with a fragile ego and a busted body.
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There's nothing wrong with him physically. He just stinks.

Despite Cam Newton moving worse than usual Monday night and taking a career-high nine sacks as a result, Panthers coach Ron Rivera insisted Tuesday his quarterback is "not injured."

"I'm not sure where all that came from," Rivera told reporters, per NFL.com. "But he's not injured."

I know where it came from. Gruden and others thinking that because he stinks, he must be hurt. No Rivera is setting everyone straight. He stinks.
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I have watched probably 99% of cams pro career and can tell you without a shadow of a doubt he is banged up badly.
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Mentally beat up yeah. Physically, he is no more beat up than anyone else that is out there after 10 weeks. He said so himself.

 
lod01 said:
pantherclub said:
lod01 said:
Dondante said:
Flipped him (and KB and C-Pat) last week for Eli (and Marshall and V-Jax). Loving it. Guy is in a bad situation with a fragile ego and a busted body.
Click to expand...
There's nothing wrong with him physically. He just stinks.

Despite Cam Newton moving worse than usual Monday night and taking a career-high nine sacks as a result, Panthers coach Ron Rivera insisted Tuesday his quarterback is "not injured."

"I'm not sure where all that came from," Rivera told reporters, per NFL.com. "But he's not injured."

I know where it came from. Gruden and others thinking that because he stinks, he must be hurt. No Rivera is setting everyone straight. He stinks.
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I have watched probably 99% of cams pro career and can tell you without a shadow of a doubt he is banged up badly.
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Mentally beat up yeah. Physically, he is no more beat up than anyone else that is out there after 10 weeks. He said so himself.
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So, he's plenty beat up?? I can see how two jacked up ankles, one being surgically repaired could hamper a QB in general, not to mention one that uses his legs as much as he does :shrug:

 
lod01 said:
pantherclub said:
lod01 said:
Dondante said:
Flipped him (and KB and C-Pat) last week for Eli (and Marshall and V-Jax). Loving it. Guy is in a bad situation with a fragile ego and a busted body.
Click to expand...
There's nothing wrong with him physically. He just stinks.

Despite Cam Newton moving worse than usual Monday night and taking a career-high nine sacks as a result, Panthers coach Ron Rivera insisted Tuesday his quarterback is "not injured."

"I'm not sure where all that came from," Rivera told reporters, per NFL.com. "But he's not injured."

I know where it came from. Gruden and others thinking that because he stinks, he must be hurt. No Rivera is setting everyone straight. He stinks.
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I have watched probably 99% of cams pro career and can tell you without a shadow of a doubt he is banged up badly.
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Mentally beat up yeah. Physically, he is no more beat up than anyone else that is out there after 10 weeks. He said so himself.
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Oh, well Cam has certainly been a beacon of honesty throughout his career. I'm not sure what you're defending. He's beat up, unhealthy - whatever you want to call it. Why is this so difficult?

 
He looks like he's moving around slower than in past years for sure. His body language looked bad too, but he's always been like that IMO. I think a positive sign for fantasy owners is that they kept him in when the game was way over. Getting reps with the OL and working on the passing I guess. Playing in a beat down I can see why he didn't have any real spark in his game. I anticipate a more competitive game vs Atlanta, so hopefully Cam has bit more pep in his step as they say.

 
Uugh, Newton.

I was loaded at WR and had drafted RG3. Ended up trading Sanders for Newton and it has not solved the QB conundrum.

Now in the quaint situation of considering picking up RG3 off the WW this week. Newton just looks sluggish and deflated from the #### around him. RG3 at least looked serviceable against Minnesota and has had another two weeks to get ready for a home tie against Tampa.

Dark times, I'm almost considering cutting ties with Newton as I also have Sanchez.

Are people considering the same in re draft ?

 
Dondante said:
Oh, well Cam has certainly been a beacon of honesty throughout his career. I'm not sure what you're defending. He's beat up, unhealthy - whatever you want to call it. Why is this so difficult?
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What I'm saying is that his suckage is not at all due to any injuries. It's due to the fact that he is not any good at playing NFl QB. Once his legs go away, as they will, the more he gets hit, the more he will suck. His game is great for college but in the NFL, he's just a big guy with a big arm that can run. That doesn't get it done.

 
lod01 said:
Dondante said:
Oh, well Cam has certainly been a beacon of honesty throughout his career. I'm not sure what you're defending. He's beat up, unhealthy - whatever you want to call it. Why is this so difficult?
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What I'm saying is that his suckage is not at all due to any injuries. It's due to the fact that he is not any good at playing NFl QB. Once his legs go away, as they will, the more he gets hit, the more he will suck. His game is great for college but in the NFL, he's just a big guy with a big arm that can run. That doesn't get it done.
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Yeah being hurt won't affect his game at all. Not to mention the fact that their line is garbage, their RBs can't stay healthy and they have one good WR who is a rookie and runs terrible routes.

Cam admitted he is hurt today too. Rivera needs to be fired for leaving him in the game on Monday night.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/12/cam-newton-yes-im-hurt/

 
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