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Can’t stand him. But with his ADP dropping even lower hard not to draft and stash.
Given his off the field stuff, in combination with his average play, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was out of the league in 3 years to be honest.
Where we are coming FROM, is an entire recorded history of women's careers being stunted, or outright ruined, because they wouldn't put out at work, or had the audacity to complain about sexual harassment.Yeah, I detailed the admission by Winston. Thanks for reiterating that.
What that article calls for in part, as well as some here as well, is for damaging a person’s career - or worse - on the basis of an unsupported accusation. This country has done that in the past, much to its shame. But that’s where we are currently headed again right now. It’s sounds as though that doesn’t bother you in the least.
Where we are coming FROM, is an entire recorded history of women's careers being stunted, or outright ruined, because they wouldn't put out at work, or had the audacity to complain about sexual harassment.
These are facts and these are undeniable.
It sounds like you think these are the good old days. (See? I can just assign a disgusting opinion to someone else too! Good times!!)
Neither am I, you are assigning an opinion to me so it fits your continuing fantasy of all these poor men whose lives are being ruined by all these terrible allegations.Yeah, the difference being that I’m not flippantly dismissing a fundamental principle of our entire system of justice in this country.
I am not defending him at all but the suspension is a result of a one time offense not an accumulation of his dumb behavior. Thats where the writer gets it wrong. Its a bit disingenuous to phrase the article like she did.Interesting article in USA Today. Really doesn't paint him in a very flattering light. Doesn't surprise me that this has come up again with him some people never learn.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/nancy-armour/2018/06/28/nfl-goes-light-qb-jameis-winston-3-game-suspension/743341002/
13 games, 3500 yards, 270/game. Where are you getting this 4900 from?He was on pace for 4900 yards, minus the time missed due to injury. That would have led the league in passing yards.
extrapolated for a full season...with no time missed due to injury. He didn't finish all of his games started.13 games, 3500 yards, 270/game. Where are you getting this 4900 from?
What we know about sexual abuse in our society is that a reported incident is way more likely to be indicative of a pattern of behavior, that never got reported before, than it is to be an isolated incident.I am not defending him at all but the suspension is a result of a one time offense not an accumulation of his dumb behavior. Thats where the writer gets it wrong. Its a bit disingenuous to phrase the article like she did.
I think they’ve already picked up his option for 2019. If Licht is still the GM after that season I’d expect him to sign with the Bucs on a contract containing language that gets Tampa off the hook if Jameis is suspended for any new infractions.Winston has an uphill battle to be the Bucs QB in 2019. That said, some team will sign him at bargain starter prices next off-season, he’ll get the proverbial ‘clean slate’.
I think that’s the issue. Save for an unexpected good season (in what may be the toughest division in the NFL)...those guys are dead men walking. They tried to replace Koetter already.I think they’ve already picked up his option for 2019. If Licht is still the GM after that season I’d expect him to sign with the Bucs on a contract containing language that gets Tampa off the hook if Jameis is suspended for any new infractions.
If Licht and Koetter are gone all bets are off.
It's only guaranteed for injury. If they want to move on they will be able to. Also, most contracts already have language with escape clauses in them ala Doug Martin, so getting one for Winston will be a no-brainer.I think they’ve already picked up his option for 2019. If Licht is still the GM after that season I’d expect him to sign with the Bucs on a contract containing language that gets Tampa off the hook if Jameis is suspended for any new infractions.
If Licht and Koetter are gone all bets are off.
I think that’s a stretch personally.Tough schedule. The Bucs should be in position to fix their mistake and draft a franchise QB next year.
"I will say this," Licht continued. "We are very excited where Jameis is right now. And he is playing -- right now in the preseason and the way he finished up last year -- he's playing to where we thought he could be. And there's even more potential there. So we're very excited about having Jamies Winston with us."
"I think performance-wise, you'd have to give Jameis an 'A' for the preseason," Koetter said, via the Tampa Bay Times. "I don't think anybody in their right mind wouldn't say that wasn't an 'A' performance on his part. I think he handled it well. I think he performed very well. He did a really good job of working on things he needed to work on.
"The situation is what it is. I wish it wasn't that way, but it is. We're going to miss him when he's gone, and we'll be glad when he's back."
Education can't change a player's behavior (did school change yours?), but therapy can.Is there some type of class that the NFL offers that can help players with their personal conduct? And if there is, maybe Jameis Winston can enroll in that in order to get his life straightened out.
Jameis Winston is being sued by his former Uber driver to pay for damages that include "emotional distress as well as future therapy expenses."
Kate P. and her legal team also believe Winston still doesn't understand the impact of his actions, and they want "exemplary or punitive damages to punish and deter such conduct." The lawsuit offers "little new information" about the incident, so nothing should alter Winston's eligibility with the NFL, but he will have to answer to the suit nonetheless. Winston is eligible to return Week 4 but his starting job is very much in doubt with Ryan Fitzpatrick playing well to start the season.
Source: Tampa Bay Times
Sep 18 - 7:43 PM
There’s no way Fitz keeps the job. Winston completely outplayed him in the preseason. No way.
I dont want to say of course but yeah of course.I absolutely think Fitz starts even when Winston is back.
Most fantasy guys don’t typically have a lot of foresight. Winston hasn’t played, his backup is on fire, and Dalton is coming off a nice game.Winston has no value. I was laughed at when I tried to trade him for Dalton...DALTON!
He's almost surely likely a better quarterback than Fitzpatrick (I have to couch that a bit -- you don't last as long and have started in as many places as Fitz without flashing some sort of professional brilliance -- and Fitz has; it hasn't all been desperation) but given his recent brilliance you realize that Winston is much, much harder to root for on a personal level unless you're somehow tied to FSU and Florida for some ####### reason.Most fantasy guys don’t typically have a lot of foresight. Winston hasn’t played, his backup is on fire, and Dalton is coming off a nice game.
Good chance Jameis is starting after the bye week in my opinion. He’ll have the same weapons Fitzpatrick is playing with. I haven’t seen it mentioned much, and I also don’t know how much it matters now, but Jameis looked like the better QB during the preseason.
I believe the bolded. I also think that Jameis, from what I've seen of both, is a better quarterback and better for the long-term future of the franchise. I want to see him do well and be a model citizen. For sure.Some Bucs’ fans (me) are rooting for him to get the job back because it’s the best thing for the franchise. Granted, not all Bucs’ fans are necessarily rooting for the same things.
I’m certainly enjoying the games much more so far this season than last. However, Fitzpatrick is likely to retire after this season. He alluded to it prior to this one. I’m hopeful the organization doesn’t fall into a similar trap as the Jets if he decides he wants to play another year.
The best thing for Tampa Bay’s future is Jameis Winston playing good football at some point this season.
I’m certainly not rooting for a Fitzpatrick regression, but if he does I’m glad Jameis is there.
Yeah, but that’s on the jets and buffalo. This is easily the best offense fitz has played in, best weapons he’s ever had. It’s not like Winston has shown that he’s that tremendous. He’s not someone you’re hitching your gm job to for a few years but a decent qb. I hope they stick with him- I think he deserves it if he’s winning games he shouldn’t.I believe the bolded. I also think that Jameis, from what I've seen of both, is a better quarterback and better for the long-term future of the franchise. I want to see him do well and be a model citizen. For sure.
I say that because, if we're talking pure football (and I still maintain we can't totally do that given the conduct policy of the NFL) I watched Fitz's last years in NY and got to see him a lot in Buffalo, and it was just terrible. He's capable of putting up some really questionable stinkers. That's why he's a journeyman; flashes of brilliance, some definite stink. But I do root for him (Fitz). I also root for Jameis both personally and professionally, to mature into someone worthy of esteem in all senses.
Fitz has gently intoned that. We will see. I think it's meet me halfway across the sky. He's a smart guy with a Brett Favre mentality (he's a wildly poor man's Brett Favre) who now has a ton of tools.Yeah, but that’s on the jets and buffalo. This is easily the best offense fitz has played in, best weapons he’s ever had. It’s not like Winston has shown that he’s that tremendous. He’s not someone you’re hitching your gm job to for a few years but a decent qb. I hope they stick with him- I think he deserves it if he’s winning games he shouldn’t.
I think it comes down to the locker room and more specifically what people there think of Winston. If the players are behind him starting then they may make that move. But if he’s a jerk and the players are ticked that he put himself in this stupid position to get suspended in the first place then i see fitz running with it until it runs out of magic. If he comes in and they’re undefeated and they say “fitz is starting for now” how will he take that? Will he be a team player or will we see him throwing tantrums on the sideline when fitz misses on a 3rd down or throws an int?Fitz has gently intoned that. We will see. I think it's meet me halfway across the sky. He's a smart guy with a Brett Favre mentality (he's a wildly poor man's Brett Favre) who now has a ton of tools.
We'll see. That's what I think the debate becomes. How long do we get to see?
Yeah, your coaches have to be sensitive to what the team is feeling. It's one of the big reasons why Matt Flynn never started a game for the Seahawks (at 5 years - $55 million was it)? If the coaches are smart, they'll gauge the players' feelings. Jackson already said Fitz should start; I think he shouldn't have been so public, and I'll bet the coaches don't either.I think it comes down to the locker room and more specifically what people there think of Winston. If the players are behind him starting then they may make that move. But if he’s a jerk and the players are ticked that he put himself in this stupid position to get suspended in the first place then i see fitz running with it until it runs out of magic. If he comes in and they’re undefeated and they say “fitz is starting for now” how will he take that? Will he be a team player or will we see him throwing tantrums on the sideline when fitz misses on a 3rd down or throws an int?
Tremendous, maybe not as a measure of total team performance, but what's the definition of tremendous at the age of 24? Jameis has broken all kinds of QB age records in his first three years. 1st QB ever to throw for 4,000+ in his first two seasons. Most passing yards ever before the age of 23. 3rd most passing yards ever in the first three seasons of his career. Passed Marino for the most passing TDs before the age of 24. To me, that's pretty damn tremendous.Yeah, but that’s on the jets and buffalo. This is easily the best offense fitz has played in, best weapons he’s ever had. It’s not like Winston has shown that he’s that tremendous. He’s not someone you’re hitching your gm job to for a few years but a decent qb. I hope they stick with him- I think he deserves it if he’s winning games he shouldn’t.