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QB Lamar Jackson, BAL (5 Viewers)
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wgoldsph
Footballguy
It seems like every off season there's a story about a qb that changes their throwing motion as though this is some sort of positive news. These guys have been playing the position sometimes since before they turned ten and suddenly as a professional they're going to overhaul the mechanics they've been working on their entire lives? And they expect to keep the new form when bodies start flying?
Fortunately this reads like "best shape of my life" fluff from Jackson to go along with the muscle he's added. Let's see if he keeps it on through September.
Fortunately this reads like "best shape of my life" fluff from Jackson to go along with the muscle he's added. Let's see if he keeps it on through September.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Former QB says Ravens QB Lamar Jackson is one of best to start a franchise with
...Former Ravens quarterback Robert Griffin III named his top five quarterbacks to a start a franchise with, and coming in at the top of the list was his former teammate in Jackson at No. 1.
Robert Griffin III@RGIII
Top 5 QBs to Start a Franchise With Thoughts? LINK to top five QBs
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Mark Gunnels@MarkAGunnels
I totally disagree. Lamar doesn’t have near the arm talent Mahomes has, man. Also, Mahomes has been the best quarterback under pressure. His escapability to create big plays downfield is just next level.
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Robert Griffin III@RGIII
Lamar wins a ring on that team as well. All these guys are great. Anyone taking Mahomes over LJ isn’t wrong. It’s all about what you prefer. I prefer to take the most talented guy and give him weapons like Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert and Allen have had for years now.
Robert Griffin III@RGIII
So are you saying Lamar has the same level of talent around him as Mahomes has had his entire career? Also Lamar plays the game different so it’s not just about arm talent and Lamar’s escapability and big play production is not matched by anyone.
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...Jackson’s importance to the team shows every time he takes a snap. Following a bone bruise suffered in Week 14 against the Cleveland Browns, Jackson missed the final portion of the 2022 regular season, where Baltimore would not win a game and end up missing the playoffs for the first time since 2017
...Former Ravens quarterback Robert Griffin III named his top five quarterbacks to a start a franchise with, and coming in at the top of the list was his former teammate in Jackson at No. 1.
Robert Griffin III@RGIII
Top 5 QBs to Start a Franchise With Thoughts? LINK to top five QBs
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Mark Gunnels@MarkAGunnels
I totally disagree. Lamar doesn’t have near the arm talent Mahomes has, man. Also, Mahomes has been the best quarterback under pressure. His escapability to create big plays downfield is just next level.
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Robert Griffin III@RGIII
Lamar wins a ring on that team as well. All these guys are great. Anyone taking Mahomes over LJ isn’t wrong. It’s all about what you prefer. I prefer to take the most talented guy and give him weapons like Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert and Allen have had for years now.
Robert Griffin III@RGIII
So are you saying Lamar has the same level of talent around him as Mahomes has had his entire career? Also Lamar plays the game different so it’s not just about arm talent and Lamar’s escapability and big play production is not matched by anyone.
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...Jackson’s importance to the team shows every time he takes a snap. Following a bone bruise suffered in Week 14 against the Cleveland Browns, Jackson missed the final portion of the 2022 regular season, where Baltimore would not win a game and end up missing the playoffs for the first time since 2017
Well, when you build the entire offense around an elite athlete where nobody really can compare to the things he does well that team will suffer tremendously if he isn't in the game. Huntley did his best Lamar impression but he just isn't Lamar. Not a surprise Baltimore struggled when Lamar went down.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Totally agree. However, I think a team like Baltimore that has a unique offense tailored to a unicorn will be harder when that unicorn goes down.
Well his backup is unicorn light so they planned well.
Most teams look awful with a backup...in a lot of ways Baltimore looked pretty good
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
They will. They will also struggle when they lose their entire RB room 12 seconds before the season starts, their 2 All Pro CBs both IR'ed (& their backups for periods), their All Pro LT IR'ed, having their #1 draft pick get hurt in TC and miss the 1st 5 games, their starting FS IR'ed, etc.......
Baltimore had seventeen core-rotation regulars on IR in December. Joe Montana couldn't win with what Baltimore had to put on the field in Nov/Dec.
-jb-
Footballguy
In fairness, Joe was 65 in December of last year. I don't think he would've won if everyone was healthy either.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
He may end up accepting less guaranteed than Watson, but there's really no reason he should. He's smart not to be using an agent because Watson's guy did all the work for him.
-jb-
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Ruh roh.
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Lamar Jackson@Lj_era8
My boy
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Jake Paul@jakepaul
Lamar Jackson deserves that Murray Money plus plus
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Lamar Jackson@Lj_era8
My boy
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Jake Paul@jakepaul
Lamar Jackson deserves that Murray Money plus plus
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Nothing really changes with Murray's contract. I mean, it's another data point Jackson can use but he was always going above that anyway. The Watson contract is the pacesetter.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Lamar Jackson sets Week One deadline for new contract
...on Saturday, Jackson — who is representing himself in the negotiations — said he has a hard deadline of Week One.
“Yeah, we’re coming up to it,” Jackson said in his press conference. “It’s coming up. The season’s coming up. We’re going to be good for the season.”
When asked if that meant his hard deadline is Week One, Jackson replied, “Yeah, for sure.”
...on Saturday, Jackson — who is representing himself in the negotiations — said he has a hard deadline of Week One.
“Yeah, we’re coming up to it,” Jackson said in his press conference. “It’s coming up. The season’s coming up. We’re going to be good for the season.”
When asked if that meant his hard deadline is Week One, Jackson replied, “Yeah, for sure.”
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I'm fascinated to see how this plays out. It's a really unique situation.
As a follower of the team I just want Jackson signed and have no problems spending Bisciotti's money.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Lamar is a strange cat.
He makes statements that can be interpreted different ways.
I'm also curious to see how this turns out.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
He is an odd guy, kinda like Ed Reed. He speaks his own language and I think the things he says may get misinterpreted by a lot of people - especially the media and a ton of Ravens fans.
He's got the Ravens by the gonads, as long as he doesn't get busted for something stupid (wait - that may not damage his case) or get seriously hurt. Both sides know it. I'd reckon 3/4 of Baltimore fans would riot if he's not signed to a new contract and 3/4 would go nuts if he got something like Watson did (the Venn Diagram on those two groups would be really interesting).
Baltimore can win a title with him. I'm convinced about that. I'm also pretty sure they can't win one with Huntley, who I like a lot and think is the perfect backup for what the Ravens are doing right now.
rockaction
Footballguy
Now you've said it!
Well, the Ravens did go 0-5 with Huntley, so I'd agree 100% that they aren't likely winning much with him. Which isn't even a knock on Huntley, who I agree is a decent backup, but it just goes to show what a unique and irreplaceable talent Jackson is.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I thought he won one game (vs the Bears), but maybe Jackson started that one and Huntley finished. All of those games are running together in my memory now. Anyway, it doesn't matter because I agree with your overall point about Jackson.
Although, I will say they could have won a few of his games (vs Pitt, GB, Cle) with a) a semblance of a normal team around him, and b) better luck on Harbaugh's end-of-game calls. They lost those three games in December by, I think, a combined 4 points.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
The only NFL reporter that I trust.
I listen to Glazer.
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Billy M
@BillyM_91
Glazer says it's an uphill battle for Lamar to get an extension soon. The Ravens have offered more than Kyler, but he thinks Lamar wants a fully GTD contract and the Ravens won't offer that
I listen to Glazer.
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Billy M
@BillyM_91
Glazer says it's an uphill battle for Lamar to get an extension soon. The Ravens have offered more than Kyler, but he thinks Lamar wants a fully GTD contract and the Ravens won't offer that
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Hmmnn...
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Lamar Jackson chimes in on contract negotiations with Ravens
As the Ravens and quarterback Lamar Jackson close in on his Week One deadline for doing a long-term deal, Jackson has peeled back the curtain, a bit, on social media.
Responding to Twitter users who made comments about his status, Jackson dropped a few hints about what he may be looking for. And he seems to be looking for a Deshaun Watson-style fully-guaranteed deal.
After one user said the Ravens should give Jackson $250 million guaranteed and another responded by saying that “they already offered that” and Jackson wants more, Jackson said this: “No they didn’t.”
Then, after another user said, “As much as I love Lamar, a fully guaranteed deal would be bad business,” Jackson replied, “You don’t love Lamar.”
Clearly, the Ravens haven’t offered $250 million fully guaranteed to Jackson. The Browns gave $230 million to Watson, and that was enough to get Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti to publicly grouse about the development.
Although Jackson didn’t come out and say it, his two tweets strongly imply that, to Bisciotti’s dismay, Jackson wants a fully-guaranteed contract.
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Lamar Jackson chimes in on contract negotiations with Ravens
As the Ravens and quarterback Lamar Jackson close in on his Week One deadline for doing a long-term deal, Jackson has peeled back the curtain, a bit, on social media.
Responding to Twitter users who made comments about his status, Jackson dropped a few hints about what he may be looking for. And he seems to be looking for a Deshaun Watson-style fully-guaranteed deal.
After one user said the Ravens should give Jackson $250 million guaranteed and another responded by saying that “they already offered that” and Jackson wants more, Jackson said this: “No they didn’t.”
Then, after another user said, “As much as I love Lamar, a fully guaranteed deal would be bad business,” Jackson replied, “You don’t love Lamar.”
Clearly, the Ravens haven’t offered $250 million fully guaranteed to Jackson. The Browns gave $230 million to Watson, and that was enough to get Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti to publicly grouse about the development.
Although Jackson didn’t come out and say it, his two tweets strongly imply that, to Bisciotti’s dismay, Jackson wants a fully-guaranteed contract.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
None of these qbs want to take the Tom Brady approach to money do they?
VikingFrog
Footballguy
From Lamar’s perspective. With much of his production in his legs. I sort of get it.
Look how quickly RG3 came and went after injury.
Not even agreeing that it’s right, but they are one injury away from not being the same valuable qb. As compared to Brady he wrecked his leg one season and came back and continued to sling it.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
TBs 'approach' to money?
TB isn't just Tom Brady, he's part of a power-couple where his super model wife was listed by Forbes as the top earner in her profession accumulating a net worth double that of TB.
TB makes three time as much as the next highest NFL player in marketing and licensing his likeness.
TB has 'shady' relations with charities where he contributes nothing but gets an annual honorarium from one of them of $500,000 before noting the millions he's made in real estate.
TBs NFL contract is a means to keeping his Q-factor high where his 'real' money is earned.
Lamar missed six games last season. The Ravens lost them all. His backup isn't close to being equal to Lamar.
Lamar has proven himself as one of the top NFL QB as he's been to multiple playoffs and has been named NFL MVP. The Ravens have all of the pieces in place to win it all now. They should have been proactive and extended him before the market conditions changed.
It is what it is. The market now says an NFL QB of Lamar's caliber should get a fully guaranteed contract.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
I own Jackson in my keeper league. The rushing yards really kick it up a notch. That being said I always make sure I have a quality backup as I don`t expect Jackson to make it through the whole season without getting a somewhat serious injury. But you take what you can get while you can get it.
I picked up Huntley on the WW last year and got pretty much the same production as Jackson. I had to cut him due to to roster size but will grab him again as nobody will pick him up until Jackson gets hurt.
I picked up Huntley on the WW last year and got pretty much the same production as Jackson. I had to cut him due to to roster size but will grab him again as nobody will pick him up until Jackson gets hurt.
Chaka
Footballguy
All true but none of this would have happened if Brady didn't approach football the way he did, which was mostly cheating but occasionally cutting a team friendly deal too.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
I'm not faulting Lamar nor Am I calling him greedy. NFL organizations are cutthroat money-whores. I see nothing wrong with a player getting his.
To the potato head's point tho, I think a quarterback would do better for himself by giving up some for his team to get more talent. His market is tied to winning like no other position in sports. His success even his statistics is tied very closely to his surrounding talent.
The difference in one's lifestyle between 50m/year and 30m/year is not really significant. But 20m/year in cap space is the difference between 2 good tackles and 2 bad ones.
To the potato head's point tho, I think a quarterback would do better for himself by giving up some for his team to get more talent. His market is tied to winning like no other position in sports. His success even his statistics is tied very closely to his surrounding talent.
The difference in one's lifestyle between 50m/year and 30m/year is not really significant. But 20m/year in cap space is the difference between 2 good tackles and 2 bad ones.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
You can’t fault a guy for wanting market
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Speculation is that Russ Wilson's contract prevents the Ravens from fully guaranteeing Lamar's contract which 'could' spell trouble if Lamar wants that guarantee.
The big difference between Russell and Lamar is age.
Russell is 33 where Seattle chose not to pay him and traded him.
Lamar is only 25, younger than Joe Burrow whose rookie contract is up after this year.
It is less likely Russell will still be playing at a high level in five years to get another huge contract extension that figures future play.
It is more likely that Lamar will still be playing at a high level in five years get another huge contract extension that figures future play.
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How will Russell Wilson’s contract impact Lamar Jackson’s talks?
The big difference between Russell and Lamar is age.
Russell is 33 where Seattle chose not to pay him and traded him.
Lamar is only 25, younger than Joe Burrow whose rookie contract is up after this year.
It is less likely Russell will still be playing at a high level in five years to get another huge contract extension that figures future play.
It is more likely that Lamar will still be playing at a high level in five years get another huge contract extension that figures future play.
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How will Russell Wilson’s contract impact Lamar Jackson’s talks?
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Teams get in trouble when they feel like "they have to pay this QB because what alternative is there? Like Kirk Cousins - good QB, but can he take his team over the hump when it counts?
Lamar seems pretty volatile but he's the only solution the Ravens have. Sometimes you have to make these gut-wrenching decisions.
Lamar seems pretty volatile but he's the only solution the Ravens have. Sometimes you have to make these gut-wrenching decisions.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
JosinaAnderson
@JosinaAnderson
Countdown to the Lamar Jackson contract decision. Will any more guaranteed money get added to the deal? S. Bisciotti would never green light a Deshaun Watson-style fully guaranteed deal at all. Jackson has a strong argument for more. My understanding is an improved offer is out.
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The NFL’s Most Valuable Teams 2021: Average Team Value Soars To $3.5 Billion As League Shrugs Off Pandemic Year
Aug 5, 2021,06:30am EDT
@JosinaAnderson
Countdown to the Lamar Jackson contract decision. Will any more guaranteed money get added to the deal? S. Bisciotti would never green light a Deshaun Watson-style fully guaranteed deal at all. Jackson has a strong argument for more. My understanding is an improved offer is out.
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The NFL’s Most Valuable Teams 2021: Average Team Value Soars To $3.5 Billion As League Shrugs Off Pandemic Year
Aug 5, 2021,06:30am EDT
Baltimore Ravens
Value: $3.4 billion
One-Year Change: 14%
Owner: Stephen Bisciotti
Operating Income: –$20.7 million
Yup. I'll never forget hoping Jackson would stay hurt so I could start Huntley. Owning Jackson last year was a complete nightmare. Was madenning to watch him over and over not being able to handle the blitz, fumble constantly, etc.
L. Jackson was an easy pass for me this year.
BINGBING
Footballguy
The 6 games he missed at the end of last year are the only 6 games he's missed due to injury in his entire college and pro career, and the injury he suffered was a borderline cheap shot and was him planting his feet and throwing, NOT running.
BINGBING
Footballguy
Three lost fumbles in 2021...THREE. One fumble lost fumble every 4 games. Pretty much the same rate as Mahomes, except Lamar has the ball in his hands running WAY more than Mahomes does.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/quarterbacks-with-most-fumbles-lost-2021
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Ha. Sure seemed like a lot more.
cdclopper
Footballguy
I hope Lamar takes less money, for his own sake. He deserves Mahomes money in my opinion, but why, who needs that much. Look at the Chiefs now, they couldn't afford Cheetah anymore, so now Mahomes will be throwing to a couple guys with hyphenated names.
Come on Lamar, be like Tom Brady instead of Aaron Rodgers.
Come on Lamar, be like Tom Brady instead of Aaron Rodgers.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Unfair depiction of Mahomes who took less than what the market demanded. He 'could' have been the first $200 million QB but took less in order to win more championships.
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Patrick Mahomes Reacts to No Longer Being Highest-Paid NFL QB
...“They’ll keep setting the bar even higher,” he said. “You always want to get paid and take care of your family, but I want a great team around me as well.”
This falls right in line with what Mahomes has said in the past. Although he does appreciate the respect Kansas City has given him with his 10-year deal, he’s not the type of person that will be banging the table to get a new contract so his name can be at the top of the list again among the highest-paid NFL quarterbacks.
For Mahomes, there’s only one thing he’s concerned about: winning more championships.
Det. Axel Foley
@BellBobbybell6
Patrick could have been the first 200 million QB but he put winning first and is STILL going to see half a BILLION.
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KC lost Hill because they were paying Chris Jones, Frank Clark, Travis Kelce, extended Joe Thuney, and traded for OT Orlando Brown. When KC was making those deals, they did not know the FA WR market was going to blow-up or how successful they were going to be in rebuilding their offensive line with cheap draft picks or they 'may' have rethought the decision to pay out two of their top six contracts to offensive linemen instead of allowing Hill to seek a trade instead of extending him.
Can't blame Mahomes or the Chiefs for the decision they made at the time with the information they had when they made the decision.
Baltimore traded Orlando Brown to KC, and traded Marquise Brown saving a ton of money instead of surrounding Lamar with top talent. Don't blame Lamar if he wants to be paid because he was not pleased when the Ravens traded his best WR so why should he gift the Ravens cap space when they don't retain top players that would help Lamar?
Baltimore Ravens QB Lamar Jackson is not happy about Marquise Brown trade
cdclopper
Footballguy
I won't blame him. He should do whatever he thinks is best.
I respect this man for going his own way, representing himself and how he plays the game. I'm cool with whatever he wants to do. In my humbly unqualified opinion tho, I think he should do a contract which doesnt make himself the top payed player. You mentioned how Mahomes contract is structured. I think that is a great model for Lamar. A lot of garunteed money accross a lot of years but less money per year.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Marrying a supermodel who makes more than they do?
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