QB Shedeur Sanders, CLE (1 Viewer)

[ghostguy123]

Someone should have prepped him for the interviews. Deion?

Didn't Shedeur do the same thing Deion did, only interview with teams in the top 5?

Top 5 rounds?

Shedeur said he was only meeting with teams in the top 5. Deion did the same thing. A team asked him to interview and he asked where they were picking and they said 10 and he said, "No, I'll be gone long before then."

Seems dumb considering a team might want to trade up for you

 

[King of the Jungle]

Someone should have prepped him for the interviews. Deion?

Didn't Shedeur do the same thing Deion did, only interview with teams in the top 5?

Top 5 rounds?

Shedeur said he was only meeting with teams in the top 5. Deion did the same thing. A team asked him to interview and he asked where they were picking and they said 10 and he said, "No, I'll be gone long before then."

Seems dumb considering a team might want to trade up for you

Seems like a dumb response on a lot of levels.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Someone should have prepped him for the interviews. Deion?

Didn't Shedeur do the same thing Deion did, only interview with teams in the top 5?

Top 5 rounds?

Shedeur said he was only meeting with teams in the top 5. Deion did the same thing. A team asked him to interview and he asked where they were picking and they said 10 and he said, "No, I'll be gone long before then."

Seems dumb considering a team might want to trade up for you

Seems like a dumb response on a lot of levels.

Deion said that when he was being drafted, not Shedeur. But that is the level of arrogance that Shedeur has advising him.

 

[Faust]

Shedeur Sanders: “I know I’m going to fit in perfectly” in Cleveland

 

[King of the Jungle]

Someone should have prepped him for the interviews. Deion?

Didn't Shedeur do the same thing Deion did, only interview with teams in the top 5?

Top 5 rounds?

Shedeur said he was only meeting with teams in the top 5. Deion did the same thing. A team asked him to interview and he asked where they were picking and they said 10 and he said, "No, I'll be gone long before then."

Seems dumb considering a team might want to trade up for you

Seems like a dumb response on a lot of levels.

Deion said that when he was being drafted, not Shedeur. But that is the level of arrogance that Shedeur has advising him.

Thanks for helping my reading comprehension and clarifying. There was obviously some major missteps in Shadeur’s process, hopefully the kid takes his humble pie and gets to work. I had heard he had he had worked with Tom Brady a few times, the fact that the Raiders looked past him is pretty tell tailing as well.

 

[Faust]

Shedeur Sanders selected by Browns in NFL Draft: 'Thankful for the opportunity for people to actually see the real me'

 

[Faust]

Why Cleveland Browns drafted Shedeur Sanders and what's next

 

[Donnybrook]

I just looked up both Flacco and Pickett contracts. Flacco contract is mostly signing bonus so no saving or dead cap if they release him. 2.6 M in dead cap if they cut Pickett which is not alot and they can bring that to zero if they trade him.

So barring injury, I suspect that they go into the season with one vet and both rookie QBs on the roster.

 

[The Big Donkey]

https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1916584817933643816?s=46

"Falcons’ statement on the involvement of defensive coordinator Jeff Ulbrich’s son, Jax, in the draft weekend prank call to Shedeur Sanders:..."

 

[Gatorade]

Obviously rooting harder for him now that he's a Browns player, but rooting for him in general.

He's a kid. He's dedicated his entire life to playing a sport that required 100x the dedication you or I has likely put into anything... And now he's a laughing stock and a meme, because of external circumstances.

I'm the LAST person to claim racism... And honestly, I'm not fully sure that's what is at play here... but it's definitely vendetta driven against (primarily) the father. You could write 50 novellos about Shadeur not being a round 1 pick and I'd listen... But you couldn't possibly hit me with anything after rnd 1 that I'd believe or even give a second of my time reading.

5th round? They've SERIOUSLY punished the kid before he ever played a snap. A kid with zero record, zero run-ins, and zero "accusations"

First off, he is 23. 23-year olds are not kids.

Second, Ryan Clark and Stephen A. Smith would be proud of your third paragraph.

Shedeur dropped to the 3rd because of his own actions and words, no one else's. He has no one to blame but himself.

Ultimately, he is a 5th round pick. Legendary, indeed.

23 year old are definitely kids, unless you are in you 20s yourself. He has had it easy up to this point in his life. He will live and learn like all kids do.

 

[GregR]

Obviously rooting harder for him now that he's a Browns player, but rooting for him in general.

He's a kid. He's dedicated his entire life to playing a sport that required 100x the dedication you or I has likely put into anything... And now he's a laughing stock and a meme, because of external circumstances.

I'm the LAST person to claim racism... And honestly, I'm not fully sure that's what is at play here... but it's definitely vendetta driven against (primarily) the father. You could write 50 novellos about Shadeur not being a round 1 pick and I'd listen... But you couldn't possibly hit me with anything after rnd 1 that I'd believe or even give a second of my time reading.

5th round? They've SERIOUSLY punished the kid before he ever played a snap. A kid with zero record, zero run-ins, and zero "accusations"

I just think this is way off. I think the slide to the 5th is completely his, and his father's, fault.

He's humbled, and ready to come in and work? He's gonna tell his father to SHUT THE EFF UP about his son's pro career/teammates/city? Awesome. CLE could use a stroke of good fortune. But let's not rewrite history here. He's not a victim. There's no conspiracy of untrue rumors about Shedeur.

You should have posted this last year about Caleb Williams, it would have applied more.

Yes all of this on it being way off. Vendetta? I seriously hope no one thinks the various NFL teams got together and said, "Now we can finally show Deion".

But it's pretty easy for teams that are looking at everything on these guys to see the sense of entitlement in the public statements and actions. I've seen a report sourcing someone who was part of one of the team interviews of him that said he came away as entitled. And I think the actions of Deion present a pretty reasonable belief that he wouldn't have balked at going to the media and creating distractions if he's not happy with his son's playing time, lack of playing time, supporting cast, etc.

All it takes is people doing the reasonable response to what the Sanders put out there to see him slide past the few teams he was willing to talk to. And once it reached the point of viewing him as a backup QB... who wants to bring in that level of distraction?


I'll also agree that where Cleveland got him, it was a good pick. I might question the earlier QB pick before Shedeur in the 5th. Given how it went, you'd hope some lessons were learned about conduct that will serve him well, and that might mitigate some of the concerns that led to him sliding so far.

I am kind of rooting for the kid now. Rooting for him to become a better person first, and to find some NFL success second. If he continues to give off the same vibes that got him into this, my view there could probably change again pretty quick.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

The more interesting thing to me is why the Browns changed their mind and decided to draft him. It seemed pretty clear that Browns took him off their board day 1 & 2.

 

[JohnnyU]

The more interesting thing to me is why the Browns changed their mind and decided to draft him. It seemed pretty clear that Browns took him off their board day 1 & 2.

Value pick at that price.

 

[Deamon]

The more interesting thing to me is why the Browns changed their mind and decided to draft him. It seemed pretty clear that Browns took him off their board day 1 & 2.

I think something probably went down. Deion made some calls, or Eisen or Kiper made some calls/comments, or simply they just looked back into everything after seeing the stuff Sean Payton was saying, etc... and hearing that Philly was about to take him. Maybe they reached out to him again and he was humble and wanting to put in the work, etc... who knows, but I think there was a lot of reasons for it, or a combo of some.

 

[msudaisy26]

The Browns have had so many busts at QB. If this is a steal, they're sooo due for that

Hard to feel bad when they had a pretty decent guy with Baker and ran him out of town for a guy like Watson.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

The more interesting thing to me is why the Browns changed their mind and decided to draft him. It seemed pretty clear that Browns took him off their board day 1 & 2.

Value pick at that price.

Must be more to it than that. It’s not as if the Browns had a 4th rd grade on him and decided in the 5th he was a value. At one point in time they were entertaining the thought of taking him early since they brought him in pre draft. I’m guessing some subset of the decision makers did not want him at any cost. And who can blame them not wanting another circus after how Watson worked out. But Shedeur is an entirely different situation and I think Cleveland will be happy that they don’t have to use either of their 2026 first round picks on a QB.

 

[Ray_T]

Every single team in the league would have made a good decision by drafting him in the middle of the 5th round. Maybe the Browns traded into the spot because they thought the Rams were going to finally take him?

Schefter claimed Philly was eyeing him, hence the move-up.

The rest is 100% accurate and logical. There is absolutely ZERO to crap on the Browns about for this move... Even with taking a QB in rnd 3.

NEWSFLASH: Joe Flacco is our starter. We should be drafting 3-4 QBs til we can find someone who can play... And we just so happened to get every football brains' #2 consensus QB... in rnd 5.

I dunno. Drafting 2 RBs and 2 QBs for a franchise that needs a lot of help is weird

This is true, but taking a flyer on Sanders in the 5th was the least weird of those picks

yeah, if he even turns into just an average starter, thats a pretty solid return for a 5th round pick. The possible upside outweighed the risk at this point in the draft.

once the slide started I actually thought hed go in round 3 (or early round 4 at the latest) I didnt dream hed fall into round 5.

at that price any team in need at the position should be willing to cough up a 5th. if any of the issues arise that those drafting were afraid of, he just gets cut. 5th round players get cut all the time.

its when you are invested to the tune of a first round pick, thats when you are scared to part ways with the player you just drafted. there is a perceived need to prove the organization wasnt dumb to put their faith in the player. That situation does not exist when drafting someone in round 5.

if some bad behaviour happens, the kid will be read the riot act and if he doesnt correct the situation, he will find himself a free agent.

 

[JohnnyU]

I’ve had enough Shedeur the last 4 days to do a lifetime.

 

[Bri]

The Browns have had so many busts at QB. If this is a steal, they're sooo due for that

Hard to feel bad when they had a pretty decent guy with Baker and ran him out of town for a guy like Watson.

Yeah I was a Baker fan and one of them not in favor of that but before that OMG did they go thru them. Since Watson, it hasn't been much better either

 

[Donnybrook]

Dillon Gabriel has already become the Rodney Dangerfield of rookie QBs. Not a great atmosphere for him to start his career.

I watched Caleb and Bo Nix start their pro careers very slowly but there wasn't any one breathing down their necks. They finished the year strong. I feel like the Dawg Pound and media is going want to see Sanders whether he deserves it or not.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Hard to feel bad when they had a pretty decent guy with Baker and ran him out of town for a guy like Watson.

THEY ran HIM?
Baker Mayfield requests trade from Cleveland Browns, says it is in 'best interests of both sides to move on'
Baker Mayfield has requested a trade from the Browns, telling ESPN's Adam Schefter that it is "in the best interests of both sides" for Cleveland to split with the star quarterback.
"It's in the mutual interest of both sides for us to move on," Mayfield told ESPN's Adam Schefter. "The relationship is too far gone to mend. It's in the best interests of both sides to move on."
The Browns, however, have informed Mayfield's camp that they are "not accommodating his request,"
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He was going into his rookie option 5th year after having his worst statistical season and was demanding a new contract for a then top asking price of $44 million a year.
Baker has had success but guess what his salary was last year after his best statistical performance?
2024 with Tampa Bay: His guaranteed base was $1,125,000 and his signing bonus was $5,775,000 or 2.7% of the Bucs salary cap. Only his base was guaranteed. His total salary last year? $6,900,000
2021 his last season with the Browns he had a guaranteed payment of $4,977,300 with prorated and base salaries taking it to his highest ever total salary of his NFL career of: $10,569,130
But the Browns ran Baker Mayfield out of town?
Revise history much?

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[renesauz]

NO collusion. He was over-hyped to begin with. More like a second or even third round talent that had a shot to go a lot higher in a weak QB class. His attitude, and the baggage that comes with his personal status made him too big a headache where his talent said he likely belonged. And every round he slipped further the attitude got worse. In the end he fell where he belonged. He'll get a reasonable shot in the NFL. Late 2nd vs 5th means only one thing....teams will be more willing to let him go if the attitude continues to be bad

 

[Faust]

Next Gen Stats
RD 5 | PK 144 - Browns: Shedeur Sanders QB, Colorado

Sanders finally comes off the board and is headed to Cleveland. By the NGS draft model, Sanders earned the 3rd-highest overall draft score among QBs in this year's class with a score of 79. Sanders would have ranked 7th by the NGS draft score among the 2024 draft class.

@Browns | @CUBuffsFootball

https://x.com/nextgenstats/status/1916195637777076417?s=61

 

[renesauz]

I have Sanders rated as a potential long-term starter. I get he doesn't have the best arm, but Shedeur is a gifted passer. It's not like he's a poor athlete, either. I think you can make a case he was the best pure passer in college last year and did it with swiss cheese for an OL.

Are you considering the possibility that NFL teams had a lower grade on him than what we were told?

If a guy is rated as a 2nd or 3rd rounder by teams, and proceeds to act like a donkey for months leading up to the draft, with a PIA father, maybe it's not such a mystery.

Exactly. Said it better then I did

 

[MAC_32]

The more interesting thing to me is why the Browns changed their mind and decided to draft him. It seemed pretty clear that Browns took him off their board day 1 & 2.

Below is a list of QB's selected in rd 5 over the last 10 years:

Spencer Rattler
Jordan Travis
Clayton Tune
Dorian Thompson-Robinson
Sean Clifford
Jaren Hall
Sam Howell
Jake Fromm
Easton Stick
Clayton Thorson
Mike White
Nathan Peterman
Kevin Hogan

Do you think Shedeur is worth similar risk as them. And the lack of question mark is intentional.

 

[Major]

I’ve had enough Shedeur the last 4 days to do a lifetime.

I'm also over Mel Kiper telling us how amazing Shadeur is

 

[oldmanhawkins]

The more interesting thing to me is why the Browns changed their mind and decided to draft him. It seemed pretty clear that Browns took him off their board day 1 & 2.

Below is a list of QB's selected in rd 5 over the last 10 years:

Spencer Rattler
Jordan Travis
Clayton Tune
Dorian Thompson-Robinson
Sean Clifford
Jaren Hall
Sam Howell
Jake Fromm
Easton Stick
Clayton Thorson
Mike White
Nathan Peterman
Kevin Hogan

Do you think Shedeur is worth similar risk as them. And the lack of question mark is intentional.

Not sure what you are trying to say

 

[Beef Ravioli Part 2]

The Browns have had so many busts at QB. If this is a steal, they're sooo due for that

Hard to feel bad when they had a pretty decent guy with Baker and ran him out of town for a guy like Watson.

I was a Baker guy and definitely not a fan of the Watson move but a lot has come out about Baker since he left Cleveland. Not a good teammate, partying pretty hard, out of shape, not coachable, etc. Then he demanded a max contract before his five years and when the Browns went shopping for Watson he got ticked and demanded a trade.

It seems like that woke him up or motivated and he matured from this.

I actually have been pulling for him in TB and wish he had matured while in Cleveland but that dream has passed unless he pulls a LeBron returns to The Land someday. Plus, I really miss the At Home with Baker Progressive commercials!

I don’t think the Browns ran him out of town but I don’t think they put the right coaches with him to help him as a young QB.

 

[daveR]

The Browns have had so many busts at QB. If this is a steal, they're sooo due for that

Hard to feel bad when they had a pretty decent guy with Baker and ran him out of town for a guy like Watson.

Do a google search on "Baker Mayfield rock bottom"

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

If there is one team that knows how to pick great QBs…it’s the Browns.

 

[MAC_32]

The more interesting thing to me is why the Browns changed their mind and decided to draft him. It seemed pretty clear that Browns took him off their board day 1 & 2.

Below is a list of QB's selected in rd 5 over the last 10 years:

Spencer Rattler
Jordan Travis
Clayton Tune
Dorian Thompson-Robinson
Sean Clifford
Jaren Hall
Sam Howell
Jake Fromm
Easton Stick
Clayton Thorson
Mike White
Nathan Peterman
Kevin Hogan

Do you think Shedeur is worth similar risk as them. And the lack of question mark is intentional.

Not sure what you are trying to say

Who's to say the Browns mind changed? This point of the draft is a who's who of never was'es. Shoot your shot.

 

[MAC_32]

The Browns have had so many busts at QB. If this is a steal, they're sooo due for that

Hard to feel bad when they had a pretty decent guy with Baker and ran him out of town for a guy like Watson.

Do a google search on "Baker Mayfield rock bottom"

You get used to the revisionist history narrative after a while. And this is coming from one of the few that stood up for Baker while he was dealing with rock bottom.

 

[Bri]

The Browns have had so many busts at QB. If this is a steal, they're sooo due for that

Hard to feel bad when they had a pretty decent guy with Baker and ran him out of town for a guy like Watson.

Yeah I was a Baker fan and one of them not in favor of that but before that OMG did they go thru them. Since Watson, it hasn't been much better

Hard to feel bad when they had a pretty decent guy with Baker and ran him out of town for a guy like Watson.

THEY ran HIM?
Baker Mayfield requests trade from Cleveland Browns, says it is in 'best interests of both sides to move on'
Baker Mayfield has requested a trade from the Browns, telling ESPN's Adam Schefter that it is "in the best interests of both sides" for Cleveland to split with the star quarterback.
"It's in the mutual interest of both sides for us to move on," Mayfield told ESPN's Adam Schefter. "The relationship is too far gone to mend. It's in the best interests of both sides to move on."
The Browns, however, have informed Mayfield's camp that they are "not accommodating his request,"
------------------
He was going into his rookie option 5th year after having his worst statistical season and was demanding a new contract for a then top asking price of $44 million a year.
Baker has had success but guess what his salary was last year after his best statistical performance?
2024 with Tampa Bay: His guaranteed base was $1,125,000 and his signing bonus was $5,775,000 or 2.7% of the Bucs salary cap. Only his base was guaranteed. His total salary last year? $6,900,000
2021 his last season with the Browns he had a guaranteed payment of $4,977,300 with prorated and base salaries taking it to his highest ever total salary of his NFL career of: $10,569,130
But the Browns ran Baker Mayfield out of town?
Revise history much?

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The way I heard it- he was injured and needed to sit and heal. The Browns knew he'd be averse to the idea and didn't tell him tactfully and their relationship went downhill fast.
They "couldn't" follow that up with a less than he wanted contract- which is a typical GM position in negotiations- and it got worse.

It was a shoulder and then hip or ankle IIRC. How's he supposed to throw well?

I see this more like a divorce with both sides being in a spot where they could have handled it way better

 

[Bri]

Dillon Gabriel has already become the Rodney Dangerfield of rookie QBs. Not a great atmosphere for him to start his career.

I watched Caleb and Bo Nix start their pro careers very slowly but there wasn't any one breathing down their necks. They finished the year strong. I feel like the Dawg Pound and media is going want to see Sanders whether he deserves it or not.

Camp isn't usually like many fans think.
Kurt Warner had so few snaps he counted them. His NFLE WR would win MVP and such, dominate fourth quarters in preseason, and not even get more than a handful of snaps at the end of practice in the NFL. They both tell stories of getting in to the practice but they look over and the coach is getting a drink and having a discussion with his back to the field too.
*****
Before the draft, someone from the Browns was on Sirius talking about Pickett's improvement and how he may be the guy he was drafted to be. When they signed Flacco, they played clips of that interview.

I'll need to read more closer to camp to get a gauge on things.
For now Gabriel is the kid they wanted.
Shedeur is a clear fourth that they happened to get at a bargain. You can't miss that they took Gabriel when they could have taken Shedeur.

What's true about Pickett? Smokescreen or reality?
If they have two they like and plan to play, then Gabriel and Shedeur are getting practice time scraps in camp.

We need to hear open competition or something that corrects the prior praise.

 

[N Zone]

Browns coach Kevin Stefanski said that anyone who is added to the quarterback room will be expected to compete for starting time.

 

[renesauz]

Dillon Gabriel has already become the Rodney Dangerfield of rookie QBs. Not a great atmosphere for him to start his career.

I watched Caleb and Bo Nix start their pro careers very slowly but there wasn't any one breathing down their necks. They finished the year strong. I feel like the Dawg Pound and media is going want to see Sanders whether he deserves it or not.

Camp isn't usually like many fans think.
Kurt Warner had so few snaps he counted them. His NFLE WR would win MVP and such, dominate fourth quarters in preseason, and not even get more than a handful of snaps at the end of practice in the NFL. They both tell stories of getting in to the practice but they look over and the coach is getting a drink and having a discussion with his back to the field too.
*****
Before the draft, someone from the Browns was on Sirius talking about Pickett's improvement and how he may be the guy he was drafted to be. When they signed Flacco, they played clips of that interview.

I'll need to read more closer to camp to get a gauge on things.
For now Gabriel is the kid they wanted.
Shedeur is a clear fourth that they happened to get at a bargain. You can't miss that they took Gabriel when they could have taken Shedeur.

What's true about Pickett? Smokescreen or reality?
If they have two they like and plan to play, then Gabriel and Shedeur are getting practice time scraps in camp.

We need to hear open competition or something that corrects the prior praise.

You have to figure the kids will get more reps in Cleveland then they would elsewhere, FLacco doesn't need a ton of reps, and isn't the long term answer either. It would be criminally irresponsible to give Flacco the reps a 28 or 30 year old franchise QB would get. Sanders will get a legit shot to prove himself provided he keeps his mouth shut and puts in the work

 

[Donnybrook]

Dillon Gabriel has already become the Rodney Dangerfield of rookie QBs. Not a great atmosphere for him to start his career.

I watched Caleb and Bo Nix start their pro careers very slowly but there wasn't any one breathing down their necks. They finished the year strong. I feel like the Dawg Pound and media is going want to see Sanders whether he deserves it or not.

Camp isn't usually like many fans think.
Kurt Warner had so few snaps he counted them. His NFLE WR would win MVP and such, dominate fourth quarters in preseason, and not even get more than a handful of snaps at the end of practice in the NFL. They both tell stories of getting in to the practice but they look over and the coach is getting a drink and having a discussion with his back to the field too.
*****
Before the draft, someone from the Browns was on Sirius talking about Pickett's improvement and how he may be the guy he was drafted to be. When they signed Flacco, they played clips of that interview.

I'll need to read more closer to camp to get a gauge on things.
For now Gabriel is the kid they wanted.
Shedeur is a clear fourth that they happened to get at a bargain. You can't miss that they took Gabriel when they could have taken Shedeur.

What's true about Pickett? Smokescreen or reality?
If they have two they like and plan to play, then Gabriel and Shedeur are getting practice time scraps in camp.

We need to hear open competition or something that corrects the prior praise.

I just feel that the common public perception right or wrong is Sander's has already passed Gabriel on the depth chart.

And the betting odds are already reflecting this: https://x.com/br_betting/status/1916543523634962900/photo/1

Opening day QB odds have Picket is at -110, Sanders is at +175 and Gabriel at +500 etc. I have no dog in the fight but I just suspect that some fans will be upset if the best QB happens not to be their favourite. That is all.

 

[Ray_T]

I just feel that the common public perception right or wrong is Sander's has already passed Gabriel on the depth chart.

while some members of the public feel this way, I dont believe that to be the case at all.

If Sanders passes him on the depth chart its because he earned it. I am pretty sure if I was in charge of Cleveland I'd force him to kick down the door to get his chance to start. and it starts with beating out Gabriel.

when you are a 5th round pick, you CANNOT afford to think you are anything other than expendable. You need to earn that roster spot every day. He is gonna get a whole lot of humble pie here and if he doesnt earn it, or that self entitled attitude creeps in, I think they will turf his azz.

There is no 5th round pick in the NFL that isnt expendable. Gabriel, on the other hand was a 3rd. while not a first round pick, there will at least be some pressure to keep him on the roster because of how high they drafted him. Not like if he were a first round pick, but in general your picks taken in the first 3 rounds are generally expected to make the team so I'd say he definitely has a leg up at this point.

 

[Donnybrook]

I just feel that the common public perception right or wrong is Sander's has already passed Gabriel on the depth chart.

while some members of the public feel this way, I dont believe that to be the case at all.

If Sanders passes him on the depth chart its because he earned it. I am pretty sure if I was in charge of Cleveland I'd force him to kick down the door to get his chance to start. and it starts with beating out Gabriel.

when you are a 5th round pick, you CANNOT afford to think you are anything other than expendable. You need to earn that roster spot every day. He is gonna get a whole lot of humble pie here and if he doesnt earn it, or that self entitled attitude creeps in, I think they will turf his azz.

There is no 5th round pick in the NFL that isnt expendable. Gabriel, on the other hand was a 3rd. while not a first round pick, there will at least be some pressure to keep him on the roster because of how high they drafted him. Not like if he were a first round pick, but in general your picks taken in the first 3 rounds are generally expected to make the team so I'd say he definitely has a leg up at this point.

I understand what you are saying. I think it could be entertaining no matter what happens.

Updated odds btw:
https://x.com/Kramer_BB25/status/1916678097455264077/photo/1

 

[Bri]

Dillon Gabriel has already become the Rodney Dangerfield of rookie QBs. Not a great atmosphere for him to start his career.

I watched Caleb and Bo Nix start their pro careers very slowly but there wasn't any one breathing down their necks. They finished the year strong. I feel like the Dawg Pound and media is going want to see Sanders whether he deserves it or not.

Camp isn't usually like many fans think.
Kurt Warner had so few snaps he counted them. His NFLE WR would win MVP and such, dominate fourth quarters in preseason, and not even get more than a handful of snaps at the end of practice in the NFL. They both tell stories of getting in to the practice but they look over and the coach is getting a drink and having a discussion with his back to the field too.
*****
Before the draft, someone from the Browns was on Sirius talking about Pickett's improvement and how he may be the guy he was drafted to be. When they signed Flacco, they played clips of that interview.

I'll need to read more closer to camp to get a gauge on things.
For now Gabriel is the kid they wanted.
Shedeur is a clear fourth that they happened to get at a bargain. You can't miss that they took Gabriel when they could have taken Shedeur.

What's true about Pickett? Smokescreen or reality?
If they have two they like and plan to play, then Gabriel and Shedeur are getting practice time scraps in camp.

We need to hear open competition or something that corrects the prior praise.

I just feel that the common public perception right or wrong is Sander's has already passed Gabriel on the depth chart.

And the betting odds are already reflecting this: https://x.com/br_betting/status/1916543523634962900/photo/1

Opening day QB odds have Picket is at -110, Sanders is at +175 and Gabriel at +500 etc. I have no dog in the fight but I just suspect that some fans will be upset if the best QB happens not to be their favourite. That is all.

It's certainly weird.

Public had him top two and then he's no good and then he's good and should be a Steeler and...fifth round oh but now he's good again.

We didn't even discuss how Gabriel is no good because his hand that got him into the NFL is somehow not big enough now.

 

[Soulfly3]

Every scout on planet earth is wrong, can't analyze film or understand what they're watching then.

It's a simple as that.

Find one scout that had it him outside the top 2 QBs of the class... What are you gonna come back with, some unknown twitter guy who had him ranked 3rd?

But yes... 5th round

 

[Chaka]

And every round he slipped further the attitude got worse

It did?

 

[Soulfly3]

And every round he slipped further the attitude got worse

It did?

the hatred is unreal

 

[renesauz]

And every round he slipped further the attitude got worse

It did?

the hatred is unreal

No hate. Was confused about his pre draft ranking but chalked it up to a weak class; The stories about poor interviews and such were out long before Thursday night though, and his "confidence" has smacked of arrogance. But this kind of defense from some corners kind of makes me want to see him fail TBH. Either way we'll find out quickly. If he should have been a first rounder we'll know it by Septemeber

 

[pinkstapler]

Every scout on planet earth is wrong, can't analyze film or understand what they're watching then.

It's a simple as that.

Find one scout that had it him outside the top 2 QBs of the class... What are you gonna come back with, some unknown twitter guy who had him ranked 3rd?

But yes... 5th round

NFL Rookie Watch
Shedeur Sanders is reportedly “drawing significant interest” from personnel inside the Titans and Browns, who just secured the No.1 and No.2 overall picks.

Sanders was reportedly “planning on” being selected by the Giants, but barring a blockbuster trade, could fall to the Browns or Titans.

However, several NFL scouts reportedly have a “range of grades” on Sanders with grades ranging from the top-five, to the fourth round.

Sanders will not be attending the NFL Draft, but will celebrate his pick from Colorado.

The Buffaloes QB may be QB1 in Cleveland or Nashville soon

x.com

x.com

 

[pinkstapler]

He's basically doing the equivalent of Isaiah Bond promising to break 4.2 in the forty and then some. I just don't get the point/upside. If he does struggle in the NFL, as soon as he does, this will all come back on him tenfold. IMO the quotes he keeps putting out there far exceed someone displaying confidence. He's basically tilting at windmills at this point. Also already way too fragile with media criticism; which he will still be dealing with even if he plays at a Brady/Mahomes level. Better hope he plays as good as he thinks he will, you know before he gets around to "transforming franchises". An organization is made up 50+ players, 15+ coaches, countless front office employees... and the way he talks is as though they are all going to conform to who he is as a player and as a person. I'm far from being a coach/GM/owner, but I know I'd be looking to add people to my organization at all levels who are at the very least willing to do and be (within reason) what the organization needs to be successful as a whole. Some players transend the roles they were hired for and become more; become role models, inspirations, leaders off the field as much as they are on it. But I don't think any of them walk into that day 1... and typically you need to sing for your supper first. Excel in the role you're given first.

Even if those in his corner want to frame all this as his reactions to unfair scrutiny and bias; I still think his reaction to that scrutiny and bias leaves a lot to be desired. Maybe I'm finally just in "old man" territory, but every time I read his new quotes with media, I like him less and less.

What has he said that would lead to this conclusion?

Just about every longer interview he's done, as well as his father. This excerpt from the article I replied to would be the most recent. Especially the bolded.
"When I go visit these coaches and when I go to all these different franchises, I ask them truly what I think and how I feel," Sanders said. "Some get offended, some like it, some don't. Make some people uncomfortable, some people invite that. They know what type of person and what type of player they're gonna get out of me, so I just have to make sure, you know, what type of culture or what type of dynamic I'm going to have with them also."

If you disagree that's fine. I'm not looking to debate opinions. And part of what leads me there is through the lens of everything else he's said and his reactions to everything throughout this process. I'm open to changing my mind based on new things he says, or even better, through his actions once he gets drafted. But someone telling me they read/took it differently isn't going to do that. I had the same bad vibes on Manzel entering the league though at least Sanders comes without the baggage of being a party boy on top of it. Instead it's the baggage of an overly involved father, who he's either unwilling or incapable of reigning in from continually stoking the media fire on an almost weekly basis.

I think any person who has skills that multiple companies would vie for should take a lesson from what Shedeur said in that quote.

Do you have a problem with him saying: "You know, when I get to the NFL, I don’t want you guys to miss out on me. Because every single team that picks a quarterback in front of me, I’m going to make it my mission to make sure that they regret not picking me.”

It worked out so well for Chosen Rosen.

Exactly my thought. In fact it feels like every year now a handful of players are spitting out some iteration of that quote these days. The only ones we really remember 5 years later are the ones ACTUALLY making teams regret it. The rest are used as a punchline.

But yeah no, to me that oft regurgitated statement while played out, isn't really a red flag or a problem for me. The fact Sanders is self-admitting to leaving coaches and staffs of several teams "offended" (his words) by how he acts/what he says in interviews... IS a red flag. There's plenty of room in the middle of the spectrum between obsequious kowtowing and obnoxiously offensive. Even if he wants to lean towards the confident/independent side, he sure doesn't seem to be doing himself any favors judging by reports does he?

Point is it's a bunch of factors together for Sanders. IMO he was never an elite college prospect. He apparently doesn't have skills multiple companies are vying for. He's not even the top prospect in a very weak class. And looking back to projections and reports from 3 months ago till now, it seems to only be getting worse for him as time goes on. I don't see many if any people in the Browns or Giants fan pages even on this site clamoring for their teams to take Sanders. I understand some people will excuse, or even like, how he's handled everything since the end of the college season. But it seems like willful ingnorance at this point to ignore the fact it's not in any way having a positive impact on his image, how people perceive him, or most importantly (at least I'd assume it should be most important to him and his future) his draft stock. And again, judging by the information we have, I'd say it's only been hurting it.

 

[pinkstapler]

Also, if he doesn't stay off social media, and his father too, and find some humility and humbleness quickly, I wouldn't be surprised if he's cut/traded before the season starts. I think just about everyone agrees on at least two things; 1. this is not a good QB room and 2. Sheduer is not the favorite to start week one. The media circus will be circling Huntington Bank Field, if they aren't already. And if anyone with the last name of Sanders is throwing fuel on that fire, I think the Browns won't think twice about shoving him off for a late round 2026 pick to try and throw a bucket of water on it and save them the weekly "When will Sheduer get his chance?" question asked by every sports pundit trying to get some extra views/clicks/comments.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

This was a case of ESPN saying he was a too pick and teams never really believed that. I was told a while ago that the Steelers had him as a 3rd round grade so never believed anything about him at 21.

This was like Malik Willis a few years ago. Every was shocked that only Pickett went in the first, but none of those qbs were worth a first round pick.

 

[Todem]

What no one is talking about is how bad of a reach Gabriel was in the 3rd.

He is no NFL QB. Hell no.

 

[daveR]

And every round he slipped further the attitude got worse

It did?

the hatred is unreal

In both directions! This, sadly, is the price of fame. Haters abound. They just need a subject to attack. The more famous you are, the more of them you attract. It doesn't matter if they know the facts behind the person. In this case, to understand why he went in the fifth, we would have to interview all 32 GMs. (Ain't gonna happen.) So, everything you read is guesswork and hate-work.