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QB Shedeur Sanders, CLE (6 Viewers)

I hope Deion is at the draft with Shedeur while he falls in the draft and then watch them try to spin it like it’s exactly what they wanted to happen.
 
menobrown said:
travdogg said:
While I would disagree with it (I'm not a Sanders fan any means but not impressed by Dart either) it's starting to sound more and more like he might not even be the 2nd QB drafted.
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I was listening to Dane Brugler on a podcast yesterday and I think he summed it up really well.

What he was saying was teams seem to either really like Sanders or hate him. He said he's some teams #2, he's not in other teams top 4. Ward is and has been QB1 without question for a long time now(something he's been saying for months fwiw)

He also made the point that when a team spends a first round pick on a QB, especially a high one, it's often an ownership decision. He was saying this pretty much in the context of he could see him taking a huge slide in the draft, but OTOH he could see Mark Davis instructing him to get drafted at 6.

I never in a million years saw Penix going that high last year. I will admit he was my 6th ranked QB last year, still is for that matter, but putting my feelings aside I saw that poll from league execs that ESPN put together the other day ranking out first round QB's chosen in last 5 years based on their PRE-DRAFT grade and only people Penix came in higher was Sanders and Pickett. My long winded point is that's why it's hard to forecast who might be QB2, just takes one team.

I'd still pick him as most likely to go QB2 but if he makes it past the Raiders could take a big slide. As a prospect I think he's basically Teddy Bridewater with an attitude and entourage that turns some teams off.
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Funny you say that. I was telling a friend the other day I thought one of Sander's biggest issues (in my amateur and likely bad opinion haha) was that he has a skill set that aligns more closely with a Geno Smith or Teddy Bridgewater (right down to similar issues with ball velocity, fading out of the pocket instead of stepping up into it, bad pocket awareness for pressure/blitzes, etc) and if he would just play within that skill set I'd be confident he'd wind up better/more successful than either of them in the NFL (even though Geno has put together some good to great games now). The issue is he tries to play like Brady, and is reinforced by his father/coach that it is realistic to do so. He is not currently equipped to do that, and even the more tangible things he COULD do to align his playstyle with Brady's I haven't seen in any of the games I watched of him. If he could just play within his current skill set and work to improve from there I think he would/could be a lot better.

I think this might also play into some of the negative feedback about his attitude/personality. If his confidence/ego has him unwilling to be coached at the next level, it will be an issue. Especially if daddy is on national television every day saying otherwise adding a lot of unwanted noise to the organization. I can understand some NFL staff's not wanting to deal with that at the cost of a high first round draft pick. Second round pick some of those risks feel more mitigated.
 
pinkstapler said:
menobrown said:
travdogg said:
While I would disagree with it (I'm not a Sanders fan any means but not impressed by Dart either) it's starting to sound more and more like he might not even be the 2nd QB drafted.
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I was listening to Dane Brugler on a podcast yesterday and I think he summed it up really well.

What he was saying was teams seem to either really like Sanders or hate him. He said he's some teams #2, he's not in other teams top 4. Ward is and has been QB1 without question for a long time now(something he's been saying for months fwiw)

He also made the point that when a team spends a first round pick on a QB, especially a high one, it's often an ownership decision. He was saying this pretty much in the context of he could see him taking a huge slide in the draft, but OTOH he could see Mark Davis instructing him to get drafted at 6.

I never in a million years saw Penix going that high last year. I will admit he was my 6th ranked QB last year, still is for that matter, but putting my feelings aside I saw that poll from league execs that ESPN put together the other day ranking out first round QB's chosen in last 5 years based on their PRE-DRAFT grade and only people Penix came in higher was Sanders and Pickett. My long winded point is that's why it's hard to forecast who might be QB2, just takes one team.

I'd still pick him as most likely to go QB2 but if he makes it past the Raiders could take a big slide. As a prospect I think he's basically Teddy Bridewater with an attitude and entourage that turns some teams off.
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Funny you say that. I was telling a friend the other day I thought one of Sander's biggest issues (in my amateur and likely bad opinion haha) was that he has a skill set that aligns more closely with a Geno Smith or Teddy Bridgewater (right down to similar issues with ball velocity, fading out of the pocket instead of stepping up into it, bad pocket awareness for pressure/blitzes, etc) and if he would just play within that skill set I'd be confident he'd wind up better/more successful than either of them in the NFL (even though Geno has put together some good to great games now). The issue is he tries to play like Brady, and is reinforced by his father/coach that it is realistic to do so. He is not currently equipped to do that, and even the more tangible things he COULD do to align his playstyle with Brady's I haven't seen in any of the games I watched of him. If he could just play within his current skill set and work to improve from there I think he would/could be a lot better.

I think this might also play into some of the negative feedback about his attitude/personality. If his confidence/ego has him unwilling to be coached at the next level, it will be an issue. Especially if daddy is on national television every day saying otherwise adding a lot of unwanted noise to the organization. I can understand some NFL staff's not wanting to deal with that at the cost of a high first round draft pick. Second round pick some of those risks feel more mitigated.
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oh ********, they will take the best player regardless of any drama from the parent. Archie and Eli did this back in 2004 when they told the Chargers that if they draft Eli then he is sitting out the whole year. The Chargers used that to their advantage in their trade of him to the Giants.
 
Pro Football Focus has him rated 47th on their Top 300 Board

-If you believe that as well or even say 30th on your list, the talking heads discuss SS and Cam Ward as going 1-2 in some combo and Ward also barely grades out in PFF Top 30
Seems like teams that draft one of them early might be in for some rough waters, could end up right back where they started in 2-3 years, just look at Indy right now

I believe Sanders and Ward are better than ARich and he went 4th overall
That still doesn't mean they are worth the No 1 pick, must be part of the reason the Titans want out of the No 1 spot
 
CGRdrJoe said:
pinkstapler said:
menobrown said:
travdogg said:
While I would disagree with it (I'm not a Sanders fan any means but not impressed by Dart either) it's starting to sound more and more like he might not even be the 2nd QB drafted.
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I was listening to Dane Brugler on a podcast yesterday and I think he summed it up really well.

What he was saying was teams seem to either really like Sanders or hate him. He said he's some teams #2, he's not in other teams top 4. Ward is and has been QB1 without question for a long time now(something he's been saying for months fwiw)

He also made the point that when a team spends a first round pick on a QB, especially a high one, it's often an ownership decision. He was saying this pretty much in the context of he could see him taking a huge slide in the draft, but OTOH he could see Mark Davis instructing him to get drafted at 6.

I never in a million years saw Penix going that high last year. I will admit he was my 6th ranked QB last year, still is for that matter, but putting my feelings aside I saw that poll from league execs that ESPN put together the other day ranking out first round QB's chosen in last 5 years based on their PRE-DRAFT grade and only people Penix came in higher was Sanders and Pickett. My long winded point is that's why it's hard to forecast who might be QB2, just takes one team.

I'd still pick him as most likely to go QB2 but if he makes it past the Raiders could take a big slide. As a prospect I think he's basically Teddy Bridewater with an attitude and entourage that turns some teams off.
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Funny you say that. I was telling a friend the other day I thought one of Sander's biggest issues (in my amateur and likely bad opinion haha) was that he has a skill set that aligns more closely with a Geno Smith or Teddy Bridgewater (right down to similar issues with ball velocity, fading out of the pocket instead of stepping up into it, bad pocket awareness for pressure/blitzes, etc) and if he would just play within that skill set I'd be confident he'd wind up better/more successful than either of them in the NFL (even though Geno has put together some good to great games now). The issue is he tries to play like Brady, and is reinforced by his father/coach that it is realistic to do so. He is not currently equipped to do that, and even the more tangible things he COULD do to align his playstyle with Brady's I haven't seen in any of the games I watched of him. If he could just play within his current skill set and work to improve from there I think he would/could be a lot better.

I think this might also play into some of the negative feedback about his attitude/personality. If his confidence/ego has him unwilling to be coached at the next level, it will be an issue. Especially if daddy is on national television every day saying otherwise adding a lot of unwanted noise to the organization. I can understand some NFL staff's not wanting to deal with that at the cost of a high first round draft pick. Second round pick some of those risks feel more mitigated.
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oh ********, they will take the best player regardless of any drama from the parent. Archie and Eli did this back in 2004 when they told the Chargers that if they draft Eli then he is sitting out the whole year. The Chargers used that to their advantage in their trade of him to the Giants.
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Well the main difference is most people don't seem to think Sanders is that good. At least not a 1.01 lock like Eli was; nor do I see a team trading away a 2x1sts/3rd/5th to move up and take him. Think I'm more likely to get struck by lightning than that happening.

Arch Manning is also not Deion Sanders. Don't think Arch was doing segments on half a dozen ESPN shows every other week....

Disagree if you want. It's just my opinion. Maybe none of the teams do take that stuff into consideration. But opinions aside, it's straight fact that any Arch/Eli circus isn't even close to comparable to the Deion/Sheduer one; that's leaving aside how media has changed in the past 20 years.
 
menobrown said:
travdogg said:
While I would disagree with it (I'm not a Sanders fan any means but not impressed by Dart either) it's starting to sound more and more like he might not even be the 2nd QB drafted.
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I was listening to Dane Brugler on a podcast yesterday and I think he summed it up really well.

What he was saying was teams seem to either really like Sanders or hate him. He said he's some teams #2, he's not in other teams top 4. Ward is and has been QB1 without question for a long time now(something he's been saying for months fwiw)

He also made the point that when a team spends a first round pick on a QB, especially a high one, it's often an ownership decision. He was saying this pretty much in the context of he could see him taking a huge slide in the draft, but OTOH he could see Mark Davis instructing him to get drafted at 6.

I never in a million years saw Penix going that high last year. I will admit he was my 6th ranked QB last year, still is for that matter, but putting my feelings aside I saw that poll from league execs that ESPN put together the other day ranking out first round QB's chosen in last 5 years based on their PRE-DRAFT grade and only people Penix came in higher was Sanders and Pickett. My long winded point is that's why it's hard to forecast who might be QB2, just takes one team.

I'd still pick him as most likely to go QB2 but if he makes it past the Raiders could take a big slide. As a prospect I think he's basically Teddy Bridewater with an attitude and entourage that turns some teams off.
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I have Sanders as QB2 in this class, but man I do like that Teddy Bridgewater comp.
 
One of the biggest issues with Sanders that I don't see being mentioned much is the overbearing father named Deion Sanders
It's almost like trying to coach Bronny James, you know the dad is lurking and looming around every turn
I would hate to be a head football coach in the NFL trying to make my way with Sanders as my starting QB
Every play and every thing you do in how you handle Sanders is going to be 2nd guessed by his father who has plenty of platform to get his message out, positive/negative
It has to weigh on front offices and GMs as well.

Do you invite this on to your team and at what cost? Sanders was thought to go Top 5-10, a fall to the 2nd round would be huge, is that possible?
 
Ministry of Pain said:
One of the biggest issues with Sanders that I don't see being mentioned much is the overbearing father named Deion Sanders
It's almost like trying to coach Bronny James, you know the dad is lurking and looming around every turn
I would hate to be a head football coach in the NFL trying to make my way with Sanders as my starting QB
Every play and every thing you do in how you handle Sanders is going to be 2nd guessed by his father who has plenty of platform to get his message out, positive/negative
It has to weigh on front offices and GMs as well.

Do you invite this on to your team and at what cost? Sanders was thought to go Top 5-10, a fall to the 2nd round would be huge, is that possible?
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I don’t know. I think all convos around Sanders is wrapped in “the circus” that would surround him.
As a Raiders fan with the team in position to draft him at 1.6 , it’s definitely a major concern.
 
joey said:
Ministry of Pain said:
One of the biggest issues with Sanders that I don't see being mentioned much is the overbearing father named Deion Sanders
It's almost like trying to coach Bronny James, you know the dad is lurking and looming around every turn
I would hate to be a head football coach in the NFL trying to make my way with Sanders as my starting QB
Every play and every thing you do in how you handle Sanders is going to be 2nd guessed by his father who has plenty of platform to get his message out, positive/negative
It has to weigh on front offices and GMs as well.

Do you invite this on to your team and at what cost? Sanders was thought to go Top 5-10, a fall to the 2nd round would be huge, is that possible?
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I don’t know. I think all convos around Sanders is wrapped in “the circus” that would surround him.
As a Raiders fan with the team in position to draft him at 1.6 , it’s definitely a major concern.
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Milroe in the 2nd round, just a guess on my part.
I understand Geno was brought in but I see him as a mentor for a year while the 2nd-3rd round rookie gets their feet wet
2026 I don't expect to see Smith outside of a back up role in Vegas...but I could be wrong
 
IHEARTFF said:
watch Ward and Sanders go 1-2 after all this noise
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That's funny because I felt like that last year where we were underselling the 6 QBs that went in the Top 12
Since they put a cap on what rookies can make, it's a pass to take a QB in the 1st round any time for these franchises
CJ Stroud in '23, Daniels in '24, teams see other teams get their franchise QB and want to try and emulate the success

But yes, easily could go Ward-Sanders 1 and 2, I agree
And Milroe might not be a 2nd round QB if a team wants to put him on a 1st round contract so they can exercise a 5th year option if necessary, they're gonna do it.
 
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At this point, maybe he ends up as the #2 option for the team that drafts one of the older QBs to take a little pressure off playing immediately.

I could see Pittsburgh going for Rodgers, if they must, and then drafting Sanders at 21 and let him sit ideally the year and/or only come in towards the end of the year if the Rodgers experiment isn’t working. He’s not long for the NFL and it doesn’t rush Sanders to the front but with an organization likely to support whatever could become the best version of him.
 
ive seen the vision, he's going to CLE (and he wants to, no less).

we'll see, Im not sold (yet) on how he'll be in the nfl
 
eighsse2 said:
This guy has bust written all over him, right?
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Tough guy to project for me. I think part of it is clouded by all of the extra noise that follows him (his bouts of immaturity, his dad, etc). I do not think he will be a big bust, but I honestly do not have a real good feeling on how good of a prospect he is. Some “experts” like how he battled under constant duress as that is a transferable trait to the NFL. I really have no interest in drafting him anywhere so I will defer to others that have seen him more than I have to form an opinion.
 
LawFitz said:
eighsse2 said:
This guy has bust written all over him, right?
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I'm thinking the opposite, with so many projecting him to bust. I'm sensing shades of CJ Stroud here.
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I'm kind of with you. I feel good about him being able to be an NFL starting QB, I don't feel great about his upside. But what he does well also translates well. The processing and accuracy. He's just average at best across the board with respect to size, arm and athleticism.

My opinion is the only way he absolutely strikes out as at least a low level NFL starter if is he keeps holding onto the ball to long which will likely lead to injuries or a possible benching because sacks in the NFL are not that far off away from turnovers with respect to killing drives.

My comp for him has been Teddy Bridgewater, who btw Kevin Stefanski spent multiple years with and apparently likes a great deal and even read some speculation last week he might be brougth in the Browns, which would make a lot of sense.
 
menobrown said:
My opinion is the only way he absolutely strikes out as at least a low level NFL starter if is he keeps holding onto the ball to long which will likely lead to injuries or a possible benching because sacks in the NFL are not that far off away from turnovers with respect to killing drives.
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I just read a Nate Tice article on him where he says that Sanders has an awful habit of drifting back into his backfield under pressure instead of stepping up into the pressure and delivering a throw. He also notes that Sanders isn't fast enough or strong enough to beat pressure on his own, which makes it a strain on the OL when he takes too much time drifting in the pocket. Makes everybody look bad.

I'm imagining that drifting back in the pocket is something that's very hard to coach out of someone. Tice did list Jordan Love as the one guy he's seen get away with that in the pros, but he notes that Love has a unique arm and torque enough in his body to do that. Tice says (implies?) Sanders doesn't possess those qualities.

I don't see a good future based for Sanders based on that. People are underestimating his arm and athleticism (it's better than just average for a college football player), but they've noticed some gaping holes in his game.

I also do not care what Deion brings to the table. That's something the teams are going to have to address and will do so by either drafting Sheduer where they have him on their big boards or bypassing him. But that's going to show up on draft day and probably isn't going to determine whether or not Shedeur is successful in the long run.

sports.yahoo.com

Shedeur Sanders' NFL Draft profile: Let's sift through the noise and evaluate the buzziest player this class

There's one main area that Nate Tice believes will determine whether or not Sanders is a successful NFL quarterback. And how much did his O-line actually impact him at Colorado?
sports.yahoo.com sports.yahoo.com
 
Max Power said:
Has sanders run a 40 this draft cycle?
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He didn't at the combine. Big 12 just had their pro day and he didn't participate. That said, this guy isn't making it past pick number nine of this draft, is he? Tennessee, Cleveland, NY Giants, LV Raiders, NY Jets, New Orleans Saints. That's six teams that need a QB. Tenn is tied to Cam Ward, but the rest are just sitting there. He's not going in the second to the best of my ability to suss things out. No way.
 
rockaction said:
Max Power said:
Has sanders run a 40 this draft cycle?
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He didn't at the combine. Big 12 just had their pro day and he didn't participate. That said, this guy isn't making it past pick number nine of this draft, is he? Tennessee, Cleveland, NY Giants, LV Raiders, NY Jets, New Orleans Saints. That's six teams that need a QB. Tenn is tied to Cam Ward, but the rest are just sitting there. He's not going in the second to the best of my ability to suss things out. No way.
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I'm sure he'll goes in the first half of round 1.

I'm thinking about it from a fantasy (rushing yards) aspect. Some talking head was criticizing his mobility and said that he isn't overly athletic. I think seeing a 40 time would shine some additional light on that statement.
 
menobrown said:
LawFitz said:
eighsse2 said:
This guy has bust written all over him, right?
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I'm thinking the opposite, with so many projecting him to bust. I'm sensing shades of CJ Stroud here.
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I'm kind of with you. I feel good about him being able to be an NFL starting QB, I don't feel great about his upside. But what he does well also translates well. The processing and accuracy. He's just average at best across the board with respect to size, arm and athleticism.

My opinion is the only way he absolutely strikes out as at least a low level NFL starter if is he keeps holding onto the ball to long which will likely lead to injuries or a possible benching because sacks in the NFL are not that far off away from turnovers with respect to killing drives.

My comp for him has been Teddy Bridgewater, who btw Kevin Stefanski spent multiple years with and apparently likes a great deal and even read some speculation last week he might be brougth in the Browns, which would make a lot of sense.
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Shedeur seems to get compared to Geno Smith quite a bit.

While I think the perception of Smith is one of a 'late career bloomer', I do wonder what Smith's career would have looked like had he not been asked to start from Day 1 for a bad organization. The Jets marched him out for 30 starts his first two seasons and then replaced him.

To this day, that stigma haunts Geno IMO. But if Shedeur were to get drafted by say CLE/NYG...it's possible he wouldn't be as rushed - what kind of career could that preclude?

I will say that I think Shedeur's college accomplishments and skillset are being swept under the rug a bit. I know that's what the draft process is supposed to do, but there's a certain zest to the takes around Shedeur that feel unique to who he is.
 
Gatorade said:
fruity pebbles said:
Gatorade said:
Faust said:
Shedeur Sanders is the betting favorite to go No. 3 overall in the 2025 NFL draft
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Not any more .......
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You really think a one year contract with Russell Wilson changes anything?
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I think they wait a year and then draft a QB when the prospects are much better
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Also, Daboll/Schoen need to win this season. The 2026+ team is almost irrelevant. Both these guys are fired if this isn't a playoff team.
 
travdogg said:
Gatorade said:
fruity pebbles said:
Gatorade said:
Faust said:
Shedeur Sanders is the betting favorite to go No. 3 overall in the 2025 NFL draft
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Not any more .......
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You really think a one year contract with Russell Wilson changes anything?
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I think they wait a year and then draft a QB when the prospects are much better
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Also, Daboll/Schoen need to win this season. The 2026+ team is almost irrelevant. Both these guys are fired if this isn't a playoff team.
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Dead men walking ....
 
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