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QB Shedeur Sanders, CLE (29 Viewers)
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goose_egged
Footballguy
Could be worth the risk if a team is shaky at QB. Maye did enough as a rookie to rule out the possibility that he's a performance bust to make it easy to cash out on Milton and get a non-negligible improvement in draft position on a day 3 pick. A lot of other teams are in really shaky QB spots and having a potential out like Milton is a lot more valuable to them.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I heard on ESPN Radio he was playing a video game in one interview. One GM said by far worst interview ever. Might get away with that with as a pass rusher, but not QB.
NFL is big business. First of all you will have his Dad on TV talking about how he is being used, his brother putting everything of social media. It would be a circus as a high first rd pick.
Now he will have to come in at least a little humbled.
brewer
Footballguy
32 NFL GMs do not pass on a kid multiple times because they don't want to deal with his father or because they think the kid needs to be humbled. In a QB starved league, they are saying they don't think Shedeur is a starter in this league. Time will tell but each of these guys is picking for their jobs. Some of them won't be around in two years, and especially if someone now takes Shedeur in the 4th and he turns out to be a star.
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
At this point, the whole situation is difficult to watch.
I think, as far as talent goes, he should be off the board. I also feel there is a lot we do not know. How did the meetings go? And these teams talk so if he had two or three bad interviews, and add being Deion's son, and the circus that comes with it. These two ingredients bake this cake. The question is how Sanders handles it moving forward. I think he should be humble when he gets drafted. Do one interview where you are humble and thankful, and then go to work on your inner revenge tour. I would also not do any more interviews unless the team I work for requests it. Remove all the distractions. Hire the best QB trainer and coaches, and get to work refining whatever you need to refine. If I were Deion, I would make it clear that I was staying out of the way and offering my son love and support.
I was not rooting for him before all this, but today I'm rooting for the kid. He does have skills, and his still being out there going into the fourth round has nothing to do with his skills or talent. I hope he does not go in the opposite direction of total anger and ruin his career, because that could happen. Some people can not handle the size of this humble pie and implode.
I think, as far as talent goes, he should be off the board. I also feel there is a lot we do not know. How did the meetings go? And these teams talk so if he had two or three bad interviews, and add being Deion's son, and the circus that comes with it. These two ingredients bake this cake. The question is how Sanders handles it moving forward. I think he should be humble when he gets drafted. Do one interview where you are humble and thankful, and then go to work on your inner revenge tour. I would also not do any more interviews unless the team I work for requests it. Remove all the distractions. Hire the best QB trainer and coaches, and get to work refining whatever you need to refine. If I were Deion, I would make it clear that I was staying out of the way and offering my son love and support.
I was not rooting for him before all this, but today I'm rooting for the kid. He does have skills, and his still being out there going into the fourth round has nothing to do with his skills or talent. I hope he does not go in the opposite direction of total anger and ruin his career, because that could happen. Some people can not handle the size of this humble pie and implode.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
Its a combination of both I think. Shough and Gabriel aren't starters in this league either and they've been drafted. Obviously if teams thought he was going to be a star they'd have held their nose and drafted him by now. So I agree that the evaluation clearly didn't match the hype. I think it's short-sighted to say that the off the field concerns about attitude and family circus aren't a factor though.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I wouldn't want to draft a headache who isn't gonna play, either.
The more I've read lately about the draft process, just ughhhh
The more I've read lately about the draft process, just ughhhh
brewer
Footballguy
Oh it's 100% a factor, but there are other guys in the league who come with the same or similar challenges. If teams thought Shedeur was good enough, they would have overlooked them by now.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I haven't read every post but has anyone thrown out the word "collusion" yet?
The league might want to be a little careful here.
The league might want to be a little careful here.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
GMs are saying he doesn't have talent nor the capacity to overcome them. It doesn't matter about his Dad, not showing for combine, or anything else.
I'm a fairly big believer in QBR. Sanders was #16 in the NCAA. not bad, but behind Ward (#1), Gabriel (#2), Milroe (#7). Ahead of Slough (#22). Some of the others aren't in the draft. So he's pretty much gonna be drafted where his QBR indicates he should.
Now the question is, what team wants the show around them for a backup? Somebody should. Injuries are a real thing. Backups play a lot in this league.
I'm a fairly big believer in QBR. Sanders was #16 in the NCAA. not bad, but behind Ward (#1), Gabriel (#2), Milroe (#7). Ahead of Slough (#22). Some of the others aren't in the draft. So he's pretty much gonna be drafted where his QBR indicates he should.
Now the question is, what team wants the show around them for a backup? Somebody should. Injuries are a real thing. Backups play a lot in this league.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I kinda doubt they got together for a meeting to talk about not drafting this guy.
brewer
Footballguy
Agree, and for what, spite? We have had actual murderers play in this league. If they think he can help their team win, they will take him.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Because the league never colludes?
You're probably right but this is absurd. They'll draft other kids with all sorts of attitude and off field issues but Shedeur is worse than usual? I'm suspect.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Right. And while I'd agree he'd be a headache, he isn't the kind of headache you collude over.
If his dad was some sort of ultra activist or that kind of thing, then I could see it
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
A spokeswoman from the Browns FO was asked about a prospect and she said one of the best traits of a player was how he'd fit and said the 'goal wasn't to simply collect talent, the goal was to build a team.'
Shedeur wasn't going to the Browns.
If the point is to get the opportunity of being drafted by an NFL team, then this isn't the way to show you're a good teammate.
Shedeur, Deion Sanders throw shade at Joe Flacco, Browns’ QB situation after NFL Draft snub
Shedeur wasn't going to the Browns.
If the point is to get the opportunity of being drafted by an NFL team, then this isn't the way to show you're a good teammate.
Shedeur, Deion Sanders throw shade at Joe Flacco, Browns’ QB situation after NFL Draft snub
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Yeah, what's happening with this guy and everyone defending him vs NFL GMs? I'll ask again, what's the bull case that people saw with their own eyes that made anyone think he was better than a career backup and worth all the baggage? All i saw was an average player hyped by the media. He'll be a cancer to whatever team takes him with limited upside.
jwb
Footballguy
I dunno - the family circus that includes Deion is a really big one. Like perhaps "coach-in-waiting" big. Have we seen that level of fame/influence/prolific-with-the-media from the parent before? I could see coaches saying "no way" at any pick.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Shedeur is going land on his feet. He might even luck out and end up in a great situation like backing up in KC or the Rams and learn
Skipdog77
Footballguy
I'm not sure learning is a strong suit with him.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Anything can happen, but i think these teams are to smart to make an unforced error like that. No offense to the Browns, but even they know that's a bad idea.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Not a good look at all taking pot shots at NFL starters. It's never "I'm gonna work hard. Improve my deficiencies etc .."
I think the best he can hope for is on developmental deal. Away from his dad. And w/o an entitlement attitude. Wouldn't be surprised if that didn't even materialize and he has to cut his teeth in USFL/minor leagues etc ...
And who knows if he'll be willing to grind it out that way.
massraider
Footballguy
I have no issue with Browns passing on him, but if they gonna take Dillon freaking Gabriel, they shoulda drafted Shedeur and risked the circus.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
I'll admit I think Gabriel over Sanders from a skill standpoint is a bad move, but they've been burnt enough with QBs with issues not related to football. At this point Ewers and Howard look like good bets to go over him too.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
This guy is not helping his case by continuing to throw out the legendary word. For one, it makes him look like a complete egomaniac, and for two, it makes it apparent that he is much more worried about his branding (since legendary is apparently part of it...that doesn't scream EGO, does it?) than anything else. It's easier and easier to see why no team has touched this guy yet.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
the prank call was too far
massraider
Footballguy
Shedeur's comment after day 1 was "we all know this shouldn't have happened".
Gonna add that guy as a backup? no thanks. Don't need my backup QB going on Stephen A Smith once a week.
Gonna add that guy as a backup? no thanks. Don't need my backup QB going on Stephen A Smith once a week.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Why?
Coaches don't want to deal with the circus within their team. And having Deion's pot shots that he's a better coach/his kid should be starting etc.......
It will take an extrenched coach with entrenched starting QB. I'm starting to doubt they want to deal with it either.....for a backup/3rd string QB......or practice squad QB. And I think Shadeur's skills are perfect for a McVay developmental project
Deion can go talk how his kid is the best QB in USFL etc....
Shadeur can go be legendary in USFL...
If his kid wants in the league, he can grind that way. Away from his father. Maybe he'll find a way in eventually. People **** on Bronny James. Guess what? He's working his *** off in G-League to get better.... He's not taking pot shots that he should be starting over Austin Reeves ...
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
He's taking the Jake Paul strategy of professional sports only the NFL isn't WWE or the UFC.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
And now we see that Deoin and Shedeur were basically making fun of the Browns for having Flacco. Yeah, that's a QB you want leading your team.
And while Flacco might be old now, I am going to call it now and say Shedeur will never have as much success in the NFL as Flacco, but hey, if Shedeur gets to the NFL and someday wins the Super Bowl and is the MVP of the game, anyone is free to bump this post and I will admit I was dead wrong.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Bingo
If teams saw this huge upside with him, he'd be gone. Former #1 overall pick David Carr made a lot of money as a clipboard holder keeping his mouth shut. You didn't see him opening his mouth that he was better than the starter, he deserves to be starter, etc....
massraider
Footballguy
Only because I thought Gabriel was a waste.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
And Joe Flacco, Super Bowl champ and MVP, has held a clipboard for a long time too
And kept his mouth shut doing so. Making a lot of money in the process. And he's earned multiple opportunities again to start NFL games.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Cart before the horse. James got gifted a draft position and contract. Sanders isn't even there yet. For all we know, he'll come in and be the hardest worker in the NFL.
Jayrod
Footballguy
I get that the phone call was cruel and the person was a jerk, but I also don't feel bad for Sanders.
He's already a millionaire and will get to play football for a living.
There are like a billion kids less fortunate than him on this planet. He's going to have a lot more adversity than prank calls to deal with in life.
He's already a millionaire and will get to play football for a living.
There are like a billion kids less fortunate than him on this planet. He's going to have a lot more adversity than prank calls to deal with in life.
Chaka
Footballguy
Early in the off season Deion did say that he had a list of teams he would let his son play for.
He later tried to put the toothpaste back in the tube on that one but I don't see how any reasonable person could suggest Deion won't be a potential active distraction, not just media speculation, for any team that takes Shedeur.
Then there is the constant media attention, which Deion has no small part in ginning up. That didn't happen in a vacuum, Deion has been building that up for years as the coach of his son.
At this point, even in the highly unlikely event Deion keeps his mouth shut entirely, wherever Shedeur lands there will be constant speculation about: 1) Deion coaching Shedeur in the NFL or 2) questions to coaches about when and whether Shedeur should be starting over whatever QB is in front of him.
It's easy to see why teams don't think he's worth the hassle yet.
Shedeur is definitely talented but not enough to justify the risks ATM.
At this point he really can either go to the Steelers, who have a strong HC and where Shedeur has a pretty clear path to starting or a team like Phili or the Chiefs where the coach and QB are such solid footing they can dismiss the media, and potential Deion, circus that will come with him.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
He really should stop tweeting to social media. And don't think hes capable of doing so. And drop the whole #legendary crap.
He's going to have to cut his teeth away from his dad. Only question now is if on NFL practice squad or USFL-minor leagues/etc.....
He's going to have to cut his teeth away from his dad. Only question now is if on NFL practice squad or USFL-minor leagues/etc.....
Chaka
Footballguy
Of course that is Deion's fault. He has been actively promoting Shedeur as the next big thing at QB for years. With Deion's name recognition and high profile he can't now pretend that he doesn't know why there is such media fanfare around him.
Tebow is a better example of a guy not necessarily actively promoting himself but still having the media circus around him. Although I'd bet dollars to donuts there was more going on behind the scenes from his people to promote him than we know about.
Chaka
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
In a vacuum getting drafted later isn't a death knell. Kirk Cousins was a 4th rounder and has made eleventy billion dollars.
Whether the Sanderses have the demeanor to take the long way 'round...I dunno.
Whether the Sanderses have the demeanor to take the long way 'round...I dunno.
Skipdog77
Footballguy
The media didn't farcically retire Shedeur's number, Deion did. Deion uses the media to hype his kid, and it blew up in both their faces. Shedeur had an opportunity to step in and say it wasn't earned, or wasn't the right time, but he didn't. This is on no one but them.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Brutal. I was sure I’d wake up today and he would be a Raider.
massraider
Footballguy
Oh sure, both Sanders are in a mess of their own doing. Agree with this
Maybe…just maybe, he’s not a very good prospect.
massraider
Footballguy
And why would anyone collude in this instance?
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Shadeur met with 5 teams pre draft. 3 of the 5 have decided other rookie QBs were better fits.
Raiders and Steelers remain.
Raiders and Steelers remain.
