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QB Shedeur Sanders, CLE (2 Viewers)

Kiddnets said:
wheres he going in dynasty rookie drafts - im sure decent value in SF but 1 QB likely late dart throw?
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I got him at 5.09 in a 14 team IDP league. We have deep rosters and QB's are more valuable in 14 team leagues compared to 12 team leagues.

This is a position of need for me, my backup QB is michael penix, so taking a late dart throw on another backup QB was alright.

We also have 36 roster spots that essentially expands into 38 once IR spots open up, this would be equivalent in depth to a 12 team - 30 roster spot non-idp league.
 
RC94 said:
Kiddnets said:
wheres he going in dynasty rookie drafts - im sure decent value in SF but 1 QB likely late dart throw?
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I've done 4 1QB 4 round rookie mock drafts after the NFL draft and he went - undrafted, 3.09, undrafted, and 4.08. Based on standard PPR scoring.
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Wow. Even lower than I would have figured. How many QB's went ahead of him in those drafts, if you know?
 
eighsse2 said:
RC94 said:
Kiddnets said:
wheres he going in dynasty rookie drafts - im sure decent value in SF but 1 QB likely late dart throw?
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I've done 4 1QB 4 round rookie mock drafts after the NFL draft and he went - undrafted, 3.09, undrafted, and 4.08. Based on standard PPR scoring.
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Wow. Even lower than I would have figured. How many QB's went ahead of him in those drafts, if you know?
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Ward, Dart and Milroe were all drafted ahead of him in all 4 mocks. He was drafted ahead of Shough in the ones where he was drafted. Shough wasn't drafted in the last 2.
 
I saw a news headline that said "A fan of Shedeur's" is suing the NFL for 100 MILLION DOLLARS for...wait for it...RACISM!!! He is saying the NFL colluded to not draft Shedeur in the 1st round because he's black. I've lost all faith in society. At this point I assume Cam was born white (thus his zero star rating out of high school) and started wearing black paint to get better at football?

*ETA*
(link)
www.foxnews.com

Shedeur Sanders fan files $100M lawsuit against NFL for shocking draft slide, alleging racial discrimination

A fan has filed a $100 million lawsuit against the NFL after Shedeur Sanders' shocking slide in the draft, claiming to have been emotionally harmed.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
 
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Kiddnets said:
wheres he going in dynasty rookie drafts - im sure decent value in SF but 1 QB likely late dart throw?
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Not even on my board in single QB, but I attempted trade ups once he fell to the 4th in SF TEP IDP- eventually he went late in that round.
 
drummer said:
Sam Monson's mock has him going to the Saints. Which the betting markets (I come here like I were a comet very three years that no one cares about, but I wonder if Raider Nation's star has faded since he was a degenerate gambler whose time has finally arrived, yet maybe he tossed all his chips on the table years ago and checked out before the Gilded Age of the New Degenerates), have him being drafted. Which IMO could be a great fit, is Sanders more like a Carr than the only two other QB's in the first round of this draft?
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Well, the betting markets and maybe RN lost a lot of money when it came to Draft Kings weekend lol. It's one thing to see a favorite lose the Kentucky Derby and place second. It's another to see a second fall all the way behind the pack, to where the NYG trades up way ahead of him. This is all on Coach Prime. Nobody wants his smoke. I mean I was seeing teams with comp picks pick someone else other than Shedeur. Comp picks. When the Raiders kept passing on him, I was like "It would be funny if the Raiders used one of their many comp picks on him", and when they didn't...RN, the Slide bruh. Either you were a Shark on Sheduer, or a Guppy. But even the betting markets were wrong. What they were really wrong is that he would fall to the Raiders, and he did. Many many times. What the betting markets didn't figure in...

That the Raiders would have a smart draft.
 
Kiddnets said:
wheres he going in dynasty rookie drafts - im sure decent value in SF but 1 QB likely late dart throw?
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Typically in my FFPC dynasty's (28 leagues) he's going rookie QB3. Almost every draft seems to be Ward, Milroe, sanders, Dart, Schough
 
In 1qb leagues he's either going undrafted, or is a flier towards the end of the draft. I know some will say this has already been debunked, but I quesiton his arm strength. Arm strength isn't about how far you can throw it, it's the velocity you use to throw it. How long does it take to get to a WR? The longer it takes, the easier it is to defend. It takes Sanders more air under the ball to throw it 45 to 50 yards, rather than good velocity.
 
JohnnyU said:
In 1qb leagues he's either going undrafted, or is a flier towards the end of the draft. I know some will say this has already been debunked, but I quesiton his arm strength. Arm strength isn't about how far you can throw it, it's the velocity you use to throw it. How long does it take to get to a WR? The longer it takes, the easier it is to defend. It takes Sanders more air under the ball to throw it 45 to 50 yards, rather than good velocity.
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Don't think they'll have him throwing that far downfield very often, using judkins, 2TE sets and jeudy as his weapons.

At least, they'd be smart not to
 
Soulfly3 said:
JohnnyU said:
In 1qb leagues he's either going undrafted, or is a flier towards the end of the draft. I know some will say this has already been debunked, but I quesiton his arm strength. Arm strength isn't about how far you can throw it, it's the velocity you use to throw it. How long does it take to get to a WR? The longer it takes, the easier it is to defend. It takes Sanders more air under the ball to throw it 45 to 50 yards, rather than good velocity.
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Don't think they'll have him throwing that far downfield very often, using judkins, 2TE sets and jeudy as his weapons.

At least, they'd be smart not to
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Well, that sure makes the offense easier to scheme against.
 
as someone who really didn't follow the kid outside of the game in college, he seems pretty positive and likeable since putting on the browns helmet.

now, of course he has no choice right now, his career depends on it... but it doesn't seem all that phony to me. how "bad" is this kid, really?
 
Soulfly3 said:
as someone who really didn't follow the kid outside of the game in college, he seems pretty positive and likeable since putting on the browns helmet.

now, of course he has no choice right now, his career depends on it... but it doesn't seem all that phony to me. how "bad" is this kid, really?
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If he “doesn’t get it” after his draft experience than he is cut worthy, good to hear he seems to have absorbed the message. He has enough talent to play in the league, the rest is up to him to develop and see how far he can go.
 
In a dynasty SF startup draft he was the 27th QB selected and 128th player overall.

I immediately drafted Milroe with the next pick, relieved to have gotten him as QB3 (I would have rolled out of this draft with 2 QBs total otherwise).
 
Soulfly3 said:
as someone who really didn't follow the kid outside of the game in college, he seems pretty positive and likeable since putting on the browns helmet.

now, of course he has no choice right now, his career depends on it... but it doesn't seem all that phony to me. how "bad" is this kid, really?
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If every single thing was exactly the same with him, even the alleged "bad interviews", but his dad wasn't named Deion Sanders, and all that implies, he would have been the 2nd QB taken and presumptive starter of whichever team drafted him.

He's not a generational talent (neither was Trevor Lawrence despite claims otherwise BTW) but he's a good kid with potential to be a legitimate NFL starter. Good enough to win a championship but, probably not good enough to carry a team to one.

Everything that has happened is ultimately, much ado about nothing IMO.
 
Chaka said:
he would have been the 2nd QB taken and presumptive starter of whichever team drafted him.
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It’s funny, if he weren’t Deion’s son he’d probably be the safest ok QB in this draft but ok has never been really exciting. Or drafted really high. Or with the exception of HoF guys like Brees, not super great for FF.
 
coyote5 said:
20 WHOLE minutes? #commitment lol
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I see it all the time, 21-year-olds these days are always spending an extra 20 minutes at work.
The hardest working 21-year-olds typically are millionaires with nothing else to do other than spend extra time at work.
Faust said:
Shedeur The Best Player At Browns Camp Per Shady Report
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Agendas on both sides.
One, he is nothing other than a pampered privileged egotistical kid.
The other, he's amazing.
Only thing that matters is the first step.
He's got to work his way on an NFL roster.
 
Excerpts from the article:

Albert Breer offered a candid assessment on The Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show, acknowledging the unusual level of attention Sanders is receiving.
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“Have I ever seen this with a fifth-round pick before? The answer is no, because it’s such a unique situation from that standpoint,” Breer said. He compared the situation to past Browns storylines involving Johnny Manziel, Baker Mayfield, and Deshaun Watson, stating, “I’ve seen it in Cleveland before, right?… I feel like this is actually the sort of situation that Cleveland’s been in the middle of over the last 15 years now.”
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Breer emphasized that Sanders handled the pre-draft process with the belief he’d be taken early. “He handled the process like he was a top-five (pick) lock,” Breer said, adding that Sanders declined meetings with multiple teams who later shared negative experiences.

One example Breer cited involved a team giving Sanders an intentionally flawed play to install — standard practice to test a quarterback’s awareness. “He didn’t catch them and got called on it, and it didn’t go well after that… He was pissed that they did that to him.”
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Another incident occurred during an NFL Combine interview in which Sanders was asked to explain an interception. “They go in the meeting, they show the interception and they say, ‘What happened here?’ (Sanders responds,) ‘Well, I like to get into a rhythm earlier in the game.’” The meeting soured, and Sanders reportedly concluded, “‘Well, maybe I’m not a fit for you.’” Breer recalled the source saying, “I’ve never heard that before.”
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I heard he looked pretty good at the rookie camps, is that true?
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-It won't surprise me if by week 8 we see Sanders inserted as the starting QB for the rest of '25
Flacco or Pickett will get injured, the other will be the QB2 off the bench
Anyone seen a picture of Gabriel and how diminutive he is? He won't last in the NFL, no way
 
Ministry of Pain said:
I heard he looked pretty good at the rookie camps, is that true?
🤷‍♂️

-It won't surprise me if by week 8 we see Sanders inserted as the starting QB for the rest of '25
Flacco or Pickett will get injured, the other will be the QB2 off the bench
Anyone seen a picture of Gabriel and how diminutive he is? He won't last in the NFL, no way
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He looked every bit an early 1st rnd QB, absolutely overshadowed Gabriel.

Now, let's see with the bigger boys, and then then let's see it when the light are on. But a good start anyways.
 
Very reasonable take IMHO.
Insider Rips Media For 'Overinflating Expectations' For Browns Rookie
Insider Tony Grossi recently challenged what he views as premature excitement about the young quarterback’s progress.
“I just really believe in what I said, that the media are doing Shedeur a disservice by overinflating where he’s at right now. He’s a developmental quarterback just like Dillon Gabriel is. He’s not a franchise quarterback. And I think the Browns recognize that and are taking their time and teaching him the way of their offense. Overinflating expectations are just not good. I think it’s fine to like him and to hope for him to be the guy. … I just take offense to the reporting that he’s clearly gonna be the No. 1 starter, or he’s clearly the top backup, when he clearly is not,” Grossi said, via ESPN Cleveland.
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In general, I think the Browns are really doing all of their QBs a disservice. As the saying goes "If you have two QBs, you have zero QBs" the Browns are literally trying to decide between four potentially viable options. All of them will suffer from lack of opportunity and Shedeur's presence means they will be under a microscope while trying to figure it out.

I expect to see Pickett put in bubble wrap when TC opens up as they desperately try to arrange a trade.
 
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