QB Shedeur Sanders, CLE (2 Viewers)

[rockaction]

Not that I saw every post in the SP regarding Sanders, but I saw a ton that went something like this...'Who does this kid think he is? The 5th round is where he belongs. That'll learn him.' Total high-horse energy.

As far as the NFL, at a position where teams are dying (almost literally) for quality play, Sanders wasn't taken until the 5th round. Why? It certainly wasn't about talent. In an era where we have players running away in a potential deadly accident and way too many sexual assaults, they can't manage somebody like Shedeur? What made them think the Sanders family isn't all about ball? I'm betting the next time a kid like him crosses their path, especially a QB, they'll handle it differently.

That said, if you believe Sanders is actually a 5th round talent, we're too far apart to have a serious discussion.

There are always the silent that just don't feel like dealing with the nonsense. I was a supporter, but when I heard the stories of what he said in the interviews, I could understand not wanting to deal with this guy at all. But you have to take anonymous leaks with a grain of salt, so there's that. The speeding and not showing to court? Not helping one bit. And I know I posted upthread like a victory lap, but it isn't there yet. He played in the preseason and had a good game. Guys like Joe Milton did it in a regular season game. My point is that the NFL is still wildly undervaluing QBs because the Ravens won in 2000 and the Broncos in '15 or '16 (I forget). But this is just silliness to think you're going to win without one.

I love people who get angry about QBs in the first and say they're overvalued. They're not. They're still wildly undervalued. Still. And the Jets are drafting a TE in 2nd, a DB in the 3rd, and a guy at WR who should have gone in the 7th in the 4th. Sanders was available with all three picks. Stupid.

But again, it's the NFL and they're not bright. Remember what Belichick said about the league and pin it to your corkboard every time you hear anybody who isn't a lawyer for them start speaking.

"Maybe the signs were there a month ago, when Belichick told "The Pat McAfee Show" of the horror stories of answering asinine questions from owners. He told a confidant within the past week that he's "tired of the stupidness" of the NFL." - Seth Wickersham

He's been reportedly saying that for ages. They're just dumb.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Lots of apologies gonna be owed to Shaedeur in here.

The larger question is why did so many people miss on this kid....I mean, just look at this chat talking about Canada and no teams picking him up. Absolute bizarro world.

Tom Brady was drafted later than Shedeur. The NFL gets it wrong more times than anyone cares to admit. Shedeur played well tonight, and I personally like everything he brings to the table, but it’s also a bit early to be crowning him. Plus, this wouldn’t even be a story if his dad wasn’t Deion. That’s just real talk.

 

[Faust]

Shedeur Sanders impresses in NFL preseason debut: Detailing how Browns rookie QB performed vs. Panthers

Breaking Down Shedeur Sanders’ NFL Preseason Debut From Most to Least Ridiculous

 

[rockaction]

Plus, this wouldn’t even be a story if his dad wasn’t Deion.

I get what you're saying in general, but this is untrue and if his father wasn't Deion, he wouldn't have faced the scrutiny he did. There have been a lot of known jerks in the NFL. Heck, the DE from Marshall got drafted after two separate and convincing accusations of sexual assault. And he went in the 2nd or 3rd. I mean, Sanders came off bad in interviews. Please.

 

[Football Jones]

We'll see how things ultimately shake out, but either way, the 5th round was a joke. Good lesson for NFL teams as well as lots of NFL fans with their bad takes regarding his draft status. It's good for people to get knocked from their high horse every once in awhile.

I’m missing the lesson taught to the teams. Care to break that down a bit?

Not that I saw every post in the SP regarding Sanders, but I saw a ton that went something like this...'Who does this kid think he is? The 5th round is where he belongs. That'll learn him.' Total high-horse energy.

As far as the NFL, at a position where teams are dying (almost literally) for quality play, Sanders wasn't taken until the 5th round. Why? It certainly wasn't about talent. In an era where we have players running away in a potential deadly accident and way too many sexual assaults, they can't manage somebody like Shedeur? What made them think the Sanders family isn't all about ball? I'm betting the next time a kid like him crosses their path, especially a QB, they'll handle it differently.

That said, if you believe Sanders is actually a 5th round talent, we're too far apart to have a serious discussion.

The NFL told us he was a 5th round pick. If any team saw him as anything more, they would have drafted him in rounds 1, 2, 3 or 4. They didn't. Those are just the facts.

Nobody is disputing when he was taken. Unfortunately, it's just not that simple.

 

[Moonlight]

Flacco and Pickett listed in subscriber contest but not Sanders. If Sanders had been listed he would have gotten more action than Pickett.

 

[rockaction]

Flacco and Pickett listed in subscriber contest but not Sanders. If Sanders had been listed he would have gotten more action than Pickett.

Maybe if it was three or four bucks. How much are Pickett and Flacco? And has the sub contest started?

 

[Moonlight]

Flacco and Pickett listed in subscriber contest but not Sanders. If Sanders had been listed he would have gotten more action than Pickett.

Maybe if it was three or four bucks. How much are Pickett and Flacco? And has the sub contest started?

Flacco and Pickett listed in subscriber contest but not Sanders. If Sanders had been listed he would have gotten more action than Pickett.

Maybe if it was three or four bucks. How much are Pickett and Flacco? And has the sub contest started?

You live in Timbuktu?

 

[rockaction]

Flacco and Pickett listed in subscriber contest but not Sanders. If Sanders had been listed he would have gotten more action than Pickett.

Maybe if it was three or four bucks. How much are Pickett and Flacco? And has the sub contest started?

Flacco and Pickett listed in subscriber contest but not Sanders. If Sanders had been listed he would have gotten more action than Pickett.

Maybe if it was three or four bucks. How much are Pickett and Flacco? And has the sub contest started?

You live in Timbuktu?

I thought you might know it offhand. I can look it up. You'll rarely see me doing that. In fact, I often provide stats and information for everybody and have done two recently. One is in the McLaurin thread. The post took me four hours to create.

But you not only can't hit a button or two, but you have to be snarky about it. Nice. Next time, just say you don't know and you don't have time. That would be better. Peace, bruh

**** like this. Actually, the two combined were about eight hours of work. So thank you, man.

Post in thread 'WR Terry McLaurin, WAS'

Aug 1, 2025

I honestly don't think the Sutton comparison is a good one. Not even close to me. That's my football eye and not my fantasy one. McLaurin and Sutton are close in age, granted. They were born twenty-five days apart. Both are going to be 30 very soon. But measuring their performance tells a tale of differing talents. While I don't think stats tell the whole story about football prowess year-in and year-out we can try it regardless.

A caveat to everyone before we delve into the statistics: there's so much happening in football that doesn’t involve the individual player you're trying to...

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Post in thread 'WR Terry McLaurin, WAS'

Aug 2, 2025

I was confused by Chaka's post, so I re-did it for everybody. I deleted his quote on accident.

Terry's average depth of target, aDOT, is 12.3 for his career. His aDOT was 13.4 last year. His worst aDOT was 9.7 in 2020 and every other year is at least above 11.5.

Terry's receiving yards per target, Y/T, (which is not average depth of target nor air yards before catch) is 8.8 yards for his career. His worst season of Y/T was 7.6 yards (2020) like you're talking about. Last year's Y/T was 9.4 yards.

Terry's average yards before the catch...

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[rockaction]

Pickett and Flacco are each eight bucks. Took me ten or so minutes. That's not painful, but what if I were a regular subscriber who hadn't subscribed yet or couldn't find it (I got lucky using the new interface)? I'm going to remember that. That . . . uh . . . that just completely pissed me off. If you think I'm not using choice words about that guy, use your imagination and fill in the blanks.

 

[Faust]

Browns' Shedeur Sanders impresses with 2 TDs in preseason debut

 

[rockaction]

Plus, this wouldn’t even be a story if his dad wasn’t Deion.

I get what you're saying in general, but this is untrue and if his father wasn't Deion, he wouldn't have faced the scrutiny he did. There have been a lot of known jerks in the NFL. Heck, the DE from Marshall got drafted after two separate and convincing accusations of sexual assault. And he went in the 2nd or 3rd. I mean, Sanders came off bad in interviews. Please.

You’re missing the point. I said it wouldn’t be a story, not that it would have made him a higher draft pick.

I see. Well, I’m not really in the mood to split hairs. You really think that if a guy that was supposed to go second-fifth (or so) overall fell to the fifth round it wouldn’t have been a story?

Maybe not smacking your forehead would be a start, but remember Randy Moss, Aaron Rodgers in the Green Room . . .?

Those stories lasted their entire career. So . . . I didn’t feel like arguing but that’s a dubious claim with a strong pattern of historical evidence to refute it.

eta* and I mean . . . well, forget it. I know it’s exacerbated by Deion. I think his draft position was exacerbated by Deion. But any prospect falling out of the top five and into the fifth round would have been not just a story, but the story of the draft. And I am annoyed with the level of snark on the board so I’m not just smacking my head about your obtuse rambling on it I am

 

[rockaction]

That guy seriously deleted his post. What is wrong with people? Christmas.

 

[Soulfly3]

If the #1 pick in the draft performed like Shadeur last night, they'd be gushing about his future in the league.

Lots ot clean up, lots to fix... But he realistically couldn't have done much better for his first ever start. 0 picks is icing on the cake.

Loving it.

 

[-OZ-]

I assume the lesson is draft good QBs you numbskulls

no it isn't

its being honest about an opinion of a 5th round pick

how is that opinion working out for you now?

Maybe but those teams had several chamces to scoop him up in the NFL draft and chose to pass.

how about now?

gotta love the victory laps in the pre season.

He played well in his first pro game, gotta give him that much.

We’ll see what he does in the regular season. Maybe you’ll be right.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

He threw into triple coverage in the end zone and got lucky to convert the TD, easily could have been intercepted
And everyone is ready to throw roses his way, national media, go back and look at the pass and how close it was
Turnovers in the red zone or interceptions in the end zone will end your career quickly
Otherwise yeah he looks lively

Terrible take. It was a tight window throw he put in the exact right spot where only his guy could get it. There were some inaccurate throws tonight he needs to clean up, but that TD was a thing of beauty.

I agree he put it in the exact right spot, but I would bet coaches would advise he not throw that at all.

I should also add that I do think it was a strong start even if it’s just preseason.

Why would they advise against it? That part of the end zone was open. Get it over the first guy and lead yours, very little can go wrong from there. Most throws in the NFL are into very tight windows. I was impressed with the vision, the touch, and the placement. And it resulted in a TD.

All your opinion but it easily could have ended up an interception, there's a couple angles that show just how dangerous this throw was.
Good for him getting the applause, doesn't change the fact he threw into 3 defenders right around the ball, one might have made a play had he turned his head to see the ball.
I Double Down

 

[Pip's Invitation]

https://forums.footballguys.com/thr...ith-all-101-picks-inside.815927/post-25296830 (Membou at 7)

https://forums.footballguys.com/thr...ith-all-101-picks-inside.815927/post-25299910 (Taylor at 42)

That's interesting. If they pick Jaylen Royals from Utah State I'll be totally on fire. I'm sort of stoked and would be more so if they'd picked Sanders.

Yeah, not doing a victory lap yet, but any quarterback-needy team should have picked him over a freaking tight end. But it's the Jets. And it's the NFL. Don't forget folks. The only people that are smart in the NFL are their lawyers. The rest of them? Dumb dumb dumb. The guys that went to the "good" schools? They're affirmative action jocks. Don't ever forget it when they try to lie or snow you. The lawyers are the best in the country. Different story. You hear anybody from the NFL talking that isn't a lawyer? You can bet that for whatever job they have that they're the lowest-IQ group you could ever be around. I hear they like prog music, too.

We'll see how things ultimately shake out, but either way, the 5th round was a joke. Good lesson for NFL teams as well as lots of NFL fans with their bad takes regarding his draft status. It's good for people to get knocked from their high horse every once in awhile.

I’m missing the lesson taught to the teams. Care to break that down a bit?

Not that I saw every post in the SP regarding Sanders, but I saw a ton that went something like this...'Who does this kid think he is? The 5th round is where he belongs. That'll learn him.' Total high-horse energy.

As far as the NFL, at a position where teams are dying (almost literally) for quality play, Sanders wasn't taken until the 5th round. Why? It certainly wasn't about talent. In an era where we have players running away in a potential deadly accident and way too many sexual assaults, they can't manage somebody like Shedeur? What made them think the Sanders family isn't all about ball? I'm betting the next time a kid like him crosses their path, especially a QB, they'll handle it differently.

That said, if you believe Sanders is actually a 5th round talent, we're too far apart to have a serious discussion.

The NFL told us he was a 5th round pick. If any team saw him as anything more, they would have drafted him in rounds 1, 2, 3 or 4. They didn't. Those are just the facts.

Dude, if you're buying the NFL's take on character after all these years of following it, then I have this cool bridge in Brooklyn.

This post made me check whether Howie Roseman has a law degree. He does!

 

[Soulfly3]

He threw into triple coverage in the end zone and got lucky to convert the TD, easily could have been intercepted
And everyone is ready to throw roses his way, national media, go back and look at the pass and how close it was
Turnovers in the red zone or interceptions in the end zone will end your career quickly
Otherwise yeah he looks lively

Terrible take. It was a tight window throw he put in the exact right spot where only his guy could get it. There were some inaccurate throws tonight he needs to clean up, but that TD was a thing of beauty.

I agree he put it in the exact right spot, but I would bet coaches would advise he not throw that at all.

I should also add that I do think it was a strong start even if it’s just preseason.

Why would they advise against it? That part of the end zone was open. Get it over the first guy and lead yours, very little can go wrong from there. Most throws in the NFL are into very tight windows. I was impressed with the vision, the touch, and the placement. And it resulted in a TD.

All your opinion but it easily could have ended up an interception, there's a couple angles that show just how dangerous this throw was.
Good for him getting the applause, doesn't change the fact he threw into 3 defenders right around the ball, one might have made a play had he turned his head to see the ball.
I Double Down

I feel what you're saying, but all the big dogs make throws that COULD be an interception, but more often than not... aren't. That's what makes them special.

It's only one game, so no conclusions... But having the nuts to make that throw AND have it be complete... I'll happily take it.

 

[IHEARTFF]

I assume the lesson is draft good QBs you numbskulls

no it isn't

its being honest about an opinion of a 5th round pick

how is that opinion working out for you now?

Maybe but those teams had several chamces to scoop him up in the NFL draft and chose to pass.

how about now?

gotta love the victory laps in the pre season.

He played well in his first pro game, gotta give him that much.

We’ll see what he does in the regular season. Maybe you’ll be right.

Even if he doesn’t succeed, he still should have been drafted much higher than the 5th round. I will die on that hill.

 

[LawFitz]

how about now?

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[Ilov80s]

I assume the lesson is draft good QBs you numbskulls

no it isn't

its being honest about an opinion of a 5th round pick

how is that opinion working out for you now?

Maybe but those teams had several chamces to scoop him up in the NFL draft and chose to pass.

how about now?

gotta love the victory laps in the pre season.

He played well in his first pro game, gotta give him that much.

We’ll see what he does in the regular season. Maybe you’ll be right.

This and the Jeanty thread are like the Indy 500 with all the laps being taken

 

[rockaction]

I assume the lesson is draft good QBs you numbskulls

no it isn't

its being honest about an opinion of a 5th round pick

how is that opinion working out for you now?

Maybe but those teams had several chamces to scoop him up in the NFL draft and chose to pass.

how about now?

gotta love the victory laps in the pre season.

He played well in his first pro game, gotta give him that much.

We’ll see what he does in the regular season. Maybe you’ll be right.

This and the Jeanty thread are like the Indy 500 with all the laps being taken

The debate is totally different, really. It’s not too far-fetched to see a competent QB performance and lament teams skipping him in the 4th round when he was supposed to be 2-11 overall vs. a guy with a few runs in preseason being called Trent Richardson. That’s actually a chasm like the Grand Canyon apart.

 

[rockaction]

And the other guy deleted his post. This is beginning to border on the totally absurd. That’s two posts about two totally different things disappearing. This is gorgeous.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Personally I’m rather enjoying rooting for him while everyone else is rooting for him to fail.

 

[Ilov80s]

I assume the lesson is draft good QBs you numbskulls

no it isn't

its being honest about an opinion of a 5th round pick

how is that opinion working out for you now?

Maybe but those teams had several chamces to scoop him up in the NFL draft and chose to pass.

how about now?

gotta love the victory laps in the pre season.

He played well in his first pro game, gotta give him that much.

We’ll see what he does in the regular season. Maybe you’ll be right.

This and the Jeanty thread are like the Indy 500 with all the laps being taken

The debate is totally different, really. It’s not too far-fetched to see a competent QB performance and lament teams skipping him in the 4th round when he was supposed to be 2-11 overall vs. a guy with a few runs in preseason being called Trent Richardson. That’s actually a chasm like the Grand Canyon apart.

I just find it hard to believe a QB who was supposed to be the 2nd pick in the draft fell to the 5th round because of bad vibes. The Occam's razor of it all tells me NFL teams didn't see him as a starting quality QB but as backup with off the field headaches. They certainly could be wrong, Dak Prescott is proof that it is possible for every NFL team to totally miss on a QB evaluation. I just don't believe all 32 teams in this highly competitive league full of big personalities saw a QB that they believed was a top 5 talent and passed on him 4 times in the draft. Look at Jalen Carter for example. He was coming into the league with massive off the field concerns from the fatal accident to questions about work ethic, weight, conditioning, maturity, etc. He went 9th overall and he plays DT.

 

[rockaction]

I assume the lesson is draft good QBs you numbskulls

no it isn't

its being honest about an opinion of a 5th round pick

how is that opinion working out for you now?

Maybe but those teams had several chamces to scoop him up in the NFL draft and chose to pass.

how about now?

gotta love the victory laps in the pre season.

He played well in his first pro game, gotta give him that much.

We’ll see what he does in the regular season. Maybe you’ll be right.

This and the Jeanty thread are like the Indy 500 with all the laps being taken

The debate is totally different, really. It’s not too far-fetched to see a competent QB performance and lament teams skipping him in the 4th round when he was supposed to be 2-11 overall vs. a guy with a few runs in preseason being called Trent Richardson. That’s actually a chasm like the Grand Canyon apart.

I just find it hard to believe a QB who was supposed to be the 2nd pick in the draft fell to the 5th round because of bad vibes. The Occam's razor of it all tells me NFL teams didn't see him as a starting quality QB but as backup with off the field headaches. They certainly could be wrong, Dak Prescott is proof that it is possible for every NFL team to totally miss on a QB evaluation. I just don't believe all 32 teams in this highly competitive league full of big personalities saw a QB that they believed was a top 5 talent and passed on him 4 times in the draft. Look at Jalen Carter for example. He was coming into the league with massive off the field concerns from the fatal accident to questions about work ethic, weight, conditioning, maturity, etc. He went 9th overall and he plays DT.

Justin Fields as your QB and Zach Wilson as your backup to Tua say hello. If that doesn’t scream that NFL evaluators on one’s team don’t suck, I don’t know what does.

 

[Ilov80s]

I assume the lesson is draft good QBs you numbskulls

no it isn't

its being honest about an opinion of a 5th round pick

how is that opinion working out for you now?

Maybe but those teams had several chamces to scoop him up in the NFL draft and chose to pass.

how about now?

gotta love the victory laps in the pre season.

He played well in his first pro game, gotta give him that much.

We’ll see what he does in the regular season. Maybe you’ll be right.

This and the Jeanty thread are like the Indy 500 with all the laps being taken

The debate is totally different, really. It’s not too far-fetched to see a competent QB performance and lament teams skipping him in the 4th round when he was supposed to be 2-11 overall vs. a guy with a few runs in preseason being called Trent Richardson. That’s actually a chasm like the Grand Canyon apart.

I just find it hard to believe a QB who was supposed to be the 2nd pick in the draft fell to the 5th round because of bad vibes. The Occam's razor of it all tells me NFL teams didn't see him as a starting quality QB but as backup with off the field headaches. They certainly could be wrong, Dak Prescott is proof that it is possible for every NFL team to totally miss on a QB evaluation. I just don't believe all 32 teams in this highly competitive league full of big personalities saw a QB that they believed was a top 5 talent and passed on him 4 times in the draft. Look at Jalen Carter for example. He was coming into the league with massive off the field concerns from the fatal accident to questions about work ethic, weight, conditioning, maturity, etc. He went 9th overall and he plays DT.

Justin Fields as your QB says hello.

I am not sure what Justin Fields has to do with Sanders and his NFL evaluations.

 

[joey]

Flacco and Pickett listed in subscriber contest but not Sanders. If Sanders had been listed he would have gotten more action than Pickett.

Maybe if it was three or four bucks. How much are Pickett and Flacco? And has the sub contest started?

Yea it has started. Check out the activity in the pinned Contest thread at the top of the SharkPool.

I thought Moonlight’s reply was meant to be funny, not jerky, implying that it has definitely started and some of us can’t stop posting in that thread and tweaking our rosters

 

[Dez]

Great start let's see what happens next game.

 

[rockaction]

I assume the lesson is draft good QBs you numbskulls

no it isn't

its being honest about an opinion of a 5th round pick

how is that opinion working out for you now?

Maybe but those teams had several chamces to scoop him up in the NFL draft and chose to pass.

how about now?

gotta love the victory laps in the pre season.

He played well in his first pro game, gotta give him that much.

We’ll see what he does in the regular season. Maybe you’ll be right.

This and the Jeanty thread are like the Indy 500 with all the laps being taken

The debate is totally different, really. It’s not too far-fetched to see a competent QB performance and lament teams skipping him in the 4th round when he was supposed to be 2-11 overall vs. a guy with a few runs in preseason being called Trent Richardson. That’s actually a chasm like the Grand Canyon apart.

I just find it hard to believe a QB who was supposed to be the 2nd pick in the draft fell to the 5th round because of bad vibes. The Occam's razor of it all tells me NFL teams didn't see him as a starting quality QB but as backup with off the field headaches. They certainly could be wrong, Dak Prescott is proof that it is possible for every NFL team to totally miss on a QB evaluation. I just don't believe all 32 teams in this highly competitive league full of big personalities saw a QB that they believed was a top 5 talent and passed on him 4 times in the draft. Look at Jalen Carter for example. He was coming into the league with massive off the field concerns from the fatal accident to questions about work ethic, weight, conditioning, maturity, etc. He went 9th overall and he plays DT.

Justin Fields as your QB says hello.

I am not sure what Justin Fields has to do with Sanders and his NFL evaluations.

If your QB is Justin Fields and you could take Sanders in the 4th but instead take Arian Smith about 100 spots ahead of where the NFL draftniks had him ranked instead of Sanders, your evaluators suck. That’s all. It’s easy.

 

[rockaction]

Flacco and Pickett listed in subscriber contest but not Sanders. If Sanders had been listed he would have gotten more action than Pickett.

Maybe if it was three or four bucks. How much are Pickett and Flacco? And has the sub contest started?

Yea it has started. Check out the activity in the pinned Contest thread at the top of the SharkPool.

I thought Moonlight’s reply was meant to be funny, not jerky, implying that it has definitely started and some of us can’t stop posting in that thread and tweaking our rosters

No. He deleted his post which you can see if you click on mine. It’s confusing. He was being an *******.

I asked what the price of Pickett was in the subscriber contest and he asked if I lived in Timbuktu (like, don’t you have internet access?)

Like an *******.

And he was here all night to respond or clear it up. Instead, he hid the post.

 

[joey]

Flacco and Pickett listed in subscriber contest but not Sanders. If Sanders had been listed he would have gotten more action than Pickett.

Maybe if it was three or four bucks. How much are Pickett and Flacco? And has the sub contest started?

Yea it has started. Check out the activity in the pinned Contest thread at the top of the SharkPool.

I thought Moonlight’s reply was meant to be funny, not jerky, implying that it has definitely started and some of us can’t stop posting in that thread and tweaking our rosters

No. He deleted his post which you can see if you click on mine. It’s confusing. He was being an *******.

I asked what the price of Pickett was in the subscriber contest and he asked if I lived in Timbuktu (like, don’t you have internet access?)

Like an *******.

And he was here all night to respond or clear it up. Instead, he hid the post.

Ah. I see. Sorry I got in the middle of this. Pickett is $8 in the contest, to answer your question…but you likely know this already.


Slowly backing out of this thread….

 

[rockaction]

Flacco and Pickett listed in subscriber contest but not Sanders. If Sanders had been listed he would have gotten more action than Pickett.

Maybe if it was three or four bucks. How much are Pickett and Flacco? And has the sub contest started?

Yea it has started. Check out the activity in the pinned Contest thread at the top of the SharkPool.

I thought Moonlight’s reply was meant to be funny, not jerky, implying that it has definitely started and some of us can’t stop posting in that thread and tweaking our rosters

No. He deleted his post which you can see if you click on mine. It’s confusing. He was being an *******.

I asked what the price of Pickett was in the subscriber contest and he asked if I lived in Timbuktu (like, don’t you have internet access?)

Like an *******.

And he was here all night to respond or clear it up. Instead, he hid the post.

Ah. I see. Sorry I got in the middle of this. Pickett is $8 in the contest, to answer your question…but you likely know this already.


Slowly backing out of this thread….

Nope. It’s cool. No need to back out. I’m not fired up anymore. Just explaining.

That’s two snarky posts that guys deleted who were either dead wrong or jerks. It’s a board issue, not a Joey issue.

 

[Ilov80s]

I assume the lesson is draft good QBs you numbskulls

no it isn't

its being honest about an opinion of a 5th round pick

how is that opinion working out for you now?

Maybe but those teams had several chamces to scoop him up in the NFL draft and chose to pass.

how about now?

gotta love the victory laps in the pre season.

He played well in his first pro game, gotta give him that much.

We’ll see what he does in the regular season. Maybe you’ll be right.

This and the Jeanty thread are like the Indy 500 with all the laps being taken

The debate is totally different, really. It’s not too far-fetched to see a competent QB performance and lament teams skipping him in the 4th round when he was supposed to be 2-11 overall vs. a guy with a few runs in preseason being called Trent Richardson. That’s actually a chasm like the Grand Canyon apart.

I just find it hard to believe a QB who was supposed to be the 2nd pick in the draft fell to the 5th round because of bad vibes. The Occam's razor of it all tells me NFL teams didn't see him as a starting quality QB but as backup with off the field headaches. They certainly could be wrong, Dak Prescott is proof that it is possible for every NFL team to totally miss on a QB evaluation. I just don't believe all 32 teams in this highly competitive league full of big personalities saw a QB that they believed was a top 5 talent and passed on him 4 times in the draft. Look at Jalen Carter for example. He was coming into the league with massive off the field concerns from the fatal accident to questions about work ethic, weight, conditioning, maturity, etc. He went 9th overall and he plays DT.

Justin Fields as your QB says hello.

I am not sure what Justin Fields has to do with Sanders and his NFL evaluations.

If your QB is Justin Fields and you could take Sanders in the 4th but instead take Arian Smith about 100 spots ahead of where the NFL draftniks had him ranked instead of Sanders, your evaluators suck. That’s all. It’s easy.

Yeah I totally get that it would make sense and be ideal to have a young QB developing behind Fields. Arian Smith was a perplexing choice as well. I will just say sometimes the draftniks don't know what they are talking about when it comes to QB. Has there ever been a QB who fell like that who turned out to be good? I know there are guys who slip into the 2nd who end up being good but are there QBs who the draft community were pointing to as 1st round quality who fell to round 3,4,5 and ended up playing like 1st rounders in their career?

 

[rockaction]

I assume the lesson is draft good QBs you numbskulls

no it isn't

its being honest about an opinion of a 5th round pick

how is that opinion working out for you now?

Maybe but those teams had several chamces to scoop him up in the NFL draft and chose to pass.

how about now?

gotta love the victory laps in the pre season.

He played well in his first pro game, gotta give him that much.

We’ll see what he does in the regular season. Maybe you’ll be right.

This and the Jeanty thread are like the Indy 500 with all the laps being taken

The debate is totally different, really. It’s not too far-fetched to see a competent QB performance and lament teams skipping him in the 4th round when he was supposed to be 2-11 overall vs. a guy with a few runs in preseason being called Trent Richardson. That’s actually a chasm like the Grand Canyon apart.

I just find it hard to believe a QB who was supposed to be the 2nd pick in the draft fell to the 5th round because of bad vibes. The Occam's razor of it all tells me NFL teams didn't see him as a starting quality QB but as backup with off the field headaches. They certainly could be wrong, Dak Prescott is proof that it is possible for every NFL team to totally miss on a QB evaluation. I just don't believe all 32 teams in this highly competitive league full of big personalities saw a QB that they believed was a top 5 talent and passed on him 4 times in the draft. Look at Jalen Carter for example. He was coming into the league with massive off the field concerns from the fatal accident to questions about work ethic, weight, conditioning, maturity, etc. He went 9th overall and he plays DT.

Justin Fields as your QB says hello.

I am not sure what Justin Fields has to do with Sanders and his NFL evaluations.

If your QB is Justin Fields and you could take Sanders in the 4th but instead take Arian Smith about 100 spots ahead of where the NFL draftniks had him ranked instead of Sanders, your evaluators suck. That’s all. It’s easy.

Yeah I totally get that it would make sense and be ideal to have a young QB developing behind Fields. Arian Smith was a perplexing choice as well. I will just say sometimes the draftniks don't know what they are talking about when it comes to QB. Has there ever been a QB who fell like that who turned out to be good? I know there are guys who slip into the 2nd who end up being good but are there QBs who the draft community were pointing to as 1st round quality who fell to round 3,4,5 and ended up playing like 1st rounders in their career?

I don't think Sanders was just a draftnik guy. I have to say that I don't mind half the teams not taking him. It's not really my place or gripe to tell them what to do when they're set. It's my place when my team or other teams with so glaring a need are taking guys in the fourth and fifth that won't make the team at non-premium positions. That's pissing away what they've earned and struggled for and you screw everybody in your organization over because some other team interviewed him and didn't like him.

eta* It is sort of my place with those other teams, but I'm not nearly as passionate (or cranky, if we must) about them. I mean, how are you going to feel if Jared Goff gets hurt and you have to run Hendon out there when you have Super Bowl hopes?

 

[massraider]

All your opinion but it easily could have ended up an interception, there's a couple angles that show just how dangerous this throw was.
Good for him getting the applause, doesn't change the fact he threw into 3 defenders right around the ball, one might have made a play had he turned his head to see the ball.

https://x.com/RalphVacchiano/status/1954187638908297290

1. It was a zone play. So there was no triple coverage.
2. It was a zone play. The defenders were already looking at the QB. The only guy who wasn't was the S, the only guy who knew where the WR was, who bumped Davis at the top of his route, and was stuck on the inside.
3. It actually could NOT have been an INT, as he threw it over the reach of the underneath zone guys, and to the outside of the deep zone S, which is a common throw vs zone.
4. It could have been a pick, if Sanders made a bad throw, or if the CBs or LB had go-go gadget arms. Apparently, they didn't.
5. Watch 80 and 82. They are completely shallow, defenders are drawn forward to them---by design---allowing the space for Sanders to throw it to the back corner. 36 on CAR actually started to drift back, and could have made a nice play, if he could have torqued his body like a mongoose, and had a 50" vertical. Luckily for Shedeur, 36 isn't a Super Hero.

Fun play to analyze actually. Sanders' throw was all touch, by the way. Lofted, as it needed to be.

I think that's what his game winds up being---accuracy and touch. He's not a runner, and he doesn't have a big gun. I'm thinking like Jared Goff, Rich Gannon (later years). Those guys have to have great decision-making, because thinking you have the arm when you don't is fatal. I do think that with a less than great arm, he's going to have some really bad looking picks. Just goes with the territory.

I haven't changed my stance on dynasty outlook. I still think he has limitations, and I still don't trust CLE to put him in a good spot, and I could see Sander Family Values reality show starting in a month on Amazon, and I'm still glad my team didn't commit to him.

But you always try and call balls and strikes. It was a FANTASTIC start. 5th round rookie? starting his first game--oh, and with no starting skill players. Everyone has been watching this play, and still no one knows who caught it.

 

[Donnybrook]

Preseason over-reaction is always funny: https://x.com/i/status/1953977658511176138

 

[brewer]

My team didn't draft him.

He looked great last night.

No team drafted him til the 5th round.

Sometimes teams are wrong.

It's preseason game #1.

Victory laps on either side at this stage of a career are silly.

 

[-OZ-]

I assume the lesson is draft good QBs you numbskulls

no it isn't

its being honest about an opinion of a 5th round pick

how is that opinion working out for you now?

Maybe but those teams had several chamces to scoop him up in the NFL draft and chose to pass.

how about now?

gotta love the victory laps in the pre season.

He played well in his first pro game, gotta give him that much.

We’ll see what he does in the regular season. Maybe you’ll be right.

This and the Jeanty thread are like the Indy 500 with all the laps being taken

The debate is totally different, really. It’s not too far-fetched to see a competent QB performance and lament teams skipping him in the 4th round when he was supposed to be 2-11 overall vs. a guy with a few runs in preseason being called Trent Richardson. That’s actually a chasm like the Grand Canyon apart.

I just find it hard to believe a QB who was supposed to be the 2nd pick in the draft fell to the 5th round because of bad vibes. The Occam's razor of it all tells me NFL teams didn't see him as a starting quality QB but as backup with off the field headaches. They certainly could be wrong, Dak Prescott is proof that it is possible for every NFL team to totally miss on a QB evaluation. I just don't believe all 32 teams in this highly competitive league full of big personalities saw a QB that they believed was a top 5 talent and passed on him 4 times in the draft. Look at Jalen Carter for example. He was coming into the league with massive off the field concerns from the fatal accident to questions about work ethic, weight, conditioning, maturity, etc. He went 9th overall and he plays DT.

Just my humble opinion but it seems many teams viewed him as backup caliber but not worth the headache / drama. Last night didn’t change that imo but in fairness, it’s a start and a lot better for him than if he hadn’t produced.

 

[Chaka]

I assume the lesson is draft good QBs you numbskulls

no it isn't

its being honest about an opinion of a 5th round pick

how is that opinion working out for you now?

Maybe but those teams had several chamces to scoop him up in the NFL draft and chose to pass.

how about now?

gotta love the victory laps in the pre season.

He played well in his first pro game, gotta give him that much.

We’ll see what he does in the regular season. Maybe you’ll be right.

This and the Jeanty thread are like the Indy 500 with all the laps being taken

Are people taking victory laps in the Jeanty thread?

I only said that he looks like a cross between Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith and a hockey puck. Too soon?

 

[Faust]

Browns' Shedeur Sanders seizes spotlight with two-touchdown preseason debut vs. Panthers

 

[TripItUp]

And the other guy deleted his post. This is beginning to border on the totally absurd. That’s two posts about two totally different things disappearing. This is gorgeous.

who deleted his post...let's get it out there.

 

[Chaka]

Yeah, that was impressive.

And I call BS on the notion that Shedeur's first TD was somehow lucky and thrown between three defenders. First of all #21 was nowhere near the play. It looks like #36 might be close and he even makes a move on the ball but clearly he realizes he is too far to do anything because Shedeur put the ball where he couldn't get near it. #31 is trying to make a heckuva play but the throw was spot on where only Kaden Davis could make it.

He clearly has long way to go before anyone should take victory laps but that was a great TD throw.

The second TD was also pinpoint perfect at exactly the point where only the receiver had a chance to make a play.

Kid looked good, just admit it and move on.

 

[Moonlight]

Flacco and Pickett listed in subscriber contest but not Sanders. If Sanders had been listed he would have gotten more action than Pickett.

Maybe if it was three or four bucks. How much are Pickett and Flacco? And has the sub contest started?

Yea it has started. Check out the activity in the pinned Contest thread at the top of the SharkPool.

I thought Moonlight’s reply was meant to be funny, not jerky, implying that it has definitely started and some of us can’t stop posting in that thread and tweaking our rosters

No. He deleted his post which you can see if you click on mine. It’s confusing. He was being an *******.

I asked what the price of Pickett was in the subscriber contest and he asked if I lived in Timbuktu (like, don’t you have internet access?)

Like an *******.

And he was here all night to respond or clear it up. Instead, he hid the post.

I didn't hide any post nor did I delete it. It was meant to be funny as the subscriber contest is what I and believe others have been focused on for the past few days. And honestly I thought you were pulling my leg about not knowing about the contest as you are a frequent poster.

 

[Terpman22]

Personally I’m rather enjoying rooting for him while everyone else is rooting for him to fail.

Same here. I’m loving the back pedaling, goal post moving and revisionism all at once.

 

[TampaMike19]

I’d be happy if he succeeds just because of the blatant bias and preconceived notions to bury this guys draft stock. Hard to believe a potential top 10 pick discussed for a couple years was basically going to drop out of the draft probably due to league wide collusion and the most Browns thing that was done was that the Browns drafted him.

 

[rockaction]

And the other guy deleted his post. This is beginning to border on the totally absurd. That’s two posts about two totally different things disappearing. This is gorgeous.

who deleted his post...let's get it out there.

They were posts directed at me that got somewhat personal for different reasons. One used the head smack emoji like I was an idiot and the other was totally unrelated, but was a guy insinuating I should look stuff up myself in a jerkface way. No big deal and I’ll remember. It’s noted.

 

[The Frankman]

Shedeur Sanders completed 14-of-23 passes for 138 yards and two touchdowns and rushed four times for 19 yards in the Browns’ preseason Week 1 game against the Panthers.

Sanders had his ups and downs but looked good completing passes over the middle. He also lost six yards via two sacks. All in all, this was a promising performance for the Browns’ No. 4 quarterback. It should be unsurprising for us to see him challenge Dillon Gabriel for the No. 3 role next week.
- Rotoworld

 

[3C's]

The over reaction from a preseason game does not disappoint.

Pretty sure Kenny Pickett looked great in the preseason a few years ago too

 

[renesauz]

If the #1 pick in the draft performed like Shadeur last night, they'd be gushing about his future in the league.

Lots ot clean up, lots to fix... But he realistically couldn't have done much better for his first ever start. 0 picks is icing on the cake.

Loving it.

He called his own performance C+, I'd give him a B-. Looked poised, made mostly good reads. Missed a few he shouldn't have. Overall better then any 5th should look in his first action but no huge wow plays either. He showed enough to keep giving him chances to climb the chart. And the interview showed a kid who is learning and hungry. I loathe his father, but kid should get a real chance.