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AKA "The Ryan Fitzpatrick"I Founders all the time, since I live a few minutes from the brewery.
Back on topic, I suspect the Bills will offer him a long term deal mid-season, if he gets off to a good start. I would think that would be enough to prove 2015 wasn't a fluke.
Yeah, I know... That's why I'm torn on that. I'd like to think he'll come out looking real good, get a big, but safe contract, and actually live up to it. Is that too much to ask?
HmnmGroveDiesel said:Tyrod about to get paid...
How so? Sounds like they just paid him a lot more for this year (and next year, if they pick up the option, which doesn't seem likely).
Huh? Why would it not be likely they pick up the option next year?
Yeah, this is a great deal for the Bills. He'll be the 23rd highest paid QB this year which should still be a bargain. And if he flops, it's a fairly cheap buyout. If he doesn't and he is the player they believe he is, he'll get a nice cash payout next year with a cap hit that is still less than what it would cost to franchise him.
I know that, but the question was why would they not be likely to pick up the option, and my answer was because they'd have to pay him $27.5 Mil in 2017 if they do. Also, if they do end up buying him out, they would end up paying him ~$19.5 Mil for 2016 instead of ~$3 Mil. I don't consider that "great" for the Bills.
It's not just 27.5 M for 2017. It's extending the contract for the remaining 5 years. So if he has a good season then it will be a no brainer to do that.
I know that as well, but the point is it's a very expensive option, and it won't be a "no brainer" unless he has a really good season.
You're fixated on the 27M # but you're missing the big picture. Think of it as 12M for 2017 and a 15M signing bonus. They have to pay 10M as a buyout if they don't give him the option so it's essentially an extra 5M. They'd let him walk after a good season over 5M and after not having a decent qb for how long? No way.
Huh? After this season, they can either cut him and pay him an additional $10 Mil, or pick up the option and pay him an additional $27 Mil in 2017 alone. It's not essentially an extra $5 Mil, it's a $17 Mil difference if they want him to be their QB in 2017 (plus the other triggers).Tool said:
Right, 17M difference in total. If he has a good season, it will take the Bills about 2 seconds to renew the option.
The $27M is essentially a $12M salary with a $15M signing bonus that the Bills delayed a year. I'm not sure why you're so stuck on that. It's not $27M in salary. A $15M signing bonus seems like an incredible deal to me, especially when the team was able to delay it a year and give themselves the ability to reduce it to a $10M buyout if he flames out.
We can debate whether it's an easy decision (IMO it depends on how "good" we're talking), but yeah, it's $17 Mil, not $5 Mil.
It's not just a $15 Mil signing bonus, that doesn't even come into play until after this year. They had him at ~$3 Mil cap hit for this year, and then the option to use the franchise tag next year if they wanted and they couldn't agree longer term. Now they just guaranteed him ~$19.5 Mil for 2016 (with the buyout if he flops- lol @ "reduce" it to $10 Mil, you can't just ignore what they're paying him in salary). If you add up 2016 and 2017, any way you slice it, the Bills just committed a lot more money to him.
Yeah, that's definitely the top concern. If he plays realy well, but misses 1/4 to 1/2 the season due to being banged up, it does nobody any good. Hopefully he can still be effective, while avoiding as much contact as possible. I recall him doing a decent job of that last year, but obviously he took a bit too much, because he missed a couple games.
It's a tough call with him because part of what makes him valuable also exposes him to more punishment. He was sacked 36 times on 380 attempts (9.5%, I'm not sure if that's good or bad) and ran the ball 104 times, he didn't get hit on all of those rushes but I am sure he got hit plenty.
I can definitely see him taking a big step forward now that he's become more acclimated to the offense, has a dynamic #1 WR in Watkins, solid secondary receiving options in Woods and Clay, and a very good pass catching RB in McCoy. And his ability to run the ball provides a solid floor, sort of a Newton or Wilson-lite.3nOut said:
What do you mean by this? He completed 63.7% of his passes at 8.0 yards per attempt. Of the guys who finished ahead of him in completion % only Russel Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger and Andy Dalton had a better Y/A. Carson Palmer also completed 63.7% and had a higher Y/A (8.7).
His deep ball efficiency was great, which really helped him. But he had streaks of inaccuracy and timing problems too. Some of it was probably more due to being a hair slow on recognition and throwing the ball than straight up accuracy.
Forgot they face the Jets next week. Looks like Tyrod will be going to my bench. If Mariota doesn't have a good matchup either I may have to hit up the WW.Carter_Can_Fly said:
More than likely, yes, but it's also possible that they just want to give the new coach as many options as possible thereby making the head coaching position as appealing as possible.
I would agree with this as well; however maybe Anthony Lynn has pitched an EJ Manuel reclamation project as part of the reason he should be looked at as a potentially long-term replacement. It is also possible Jones isn't ready for prime time.
