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Looked to me like Pierce was in there a lot last night. I think he got in there the second series so it wasn't to give Rice a break either. Looks to have the makings of an RBBC type situation here.
I don't know how you can say that when he was out there for so many plays last night and Rice only rushed for like 35 yards or so.I don't think Pierce is going to cut into Rice's numbers enough to hint at this becoming a RBBC. Notice Rice is in on the GL and 3rd downs. When they need the big time play to move the chains or score, they go back to Rice. Pierce is just a COP back. The numbers of last nights game were skewed because of the score and also the line looked out of sync from the time Michael Oher got injured.
I own both Rice and Pierce, and not a bit concerned. Chalk it up as just one of those games.
I sincerely hope the Ravens run this exact mix of plays against the Browns next week, so I can swoop in afterwards and steal Ray Rice from a panicking owner or two.Looks to have the makings of an RBBC type situation here.
He DID put up those points but I don't think it is as easy to brush off as you are saying. Honestly, Rice was one Wes Welker "gift fumble" away from being absolutely irrelevant last night in non-ppr.Significant lol. Not like we haven't seen this every year, and yet Rice still finishes top 10.
Rice was good for 22 pts last night in ppr. Nothing to see here folks.
After his TD he was at 15 pts, that was with 2 QTRs left in the game. Hardly irrelevant - and as I said this is nothing new at all.He DID put up those points but I don't think it is as easy to brush off as you are saying. Honestly, Rice was one Wes Welker "gift fumble" away from being absolutely irrelevant last night in non-ppr.Significant lol. Not like we haven't seen this every year, and yet Rice still finishes top 10.
Rice was good for 22 pts last night in ppr. Nothing to see here folks.
In ppr, he's still getting his but for the first time, I see the chinks in the armor with Rice. I think he has the potential to lay a few duds this year, depending on the situations of the game and we usually don't see that from top 10 RBs (usually they find ways to get theres).
He lined up wide more than a handful of times, he motioned out of it more often than not. I think he only took 3-4 snaps out wide.Did Rice line up wide when Pierce was in there? IIRC the Ravens said they would try and do that.
he was referring to non ppr leaguesAfter his TD he was at 15 pts, that was with 2 QTRs left in the game. Hardly irrelevant.He DID put up those points but I don't think it is as easy to brush off as you are saying. Honestly, Rice was one Wes Welker "gift fumble" away from being absolutely irrelevant last night in non-ppr.Significant lol. Not like we haven't seen this every year, and yet Rice still finishes top 10.
Rice was good for 22 pts last night in ppr. Nothing to see here folks.
In ppr, he's still getting his but for the first time, I see the chinks in the armor with Rice. I think he has the potential to lay a few duds this year, depending on the situations of the game and we usually don't see that from top 10 RBs (usually they find ways to get theres).
30 carries for 200 yards and 3 touchdowns!!!What did everyone expect? Anyone with half a brain knew Pierce is going to get a significant piece of the pie. Rice got 12 carries Pierce got 9. It's not far from the 63/37 split that I expected going into this season. However Pierce, after his 1st carry of 14 yards, he ran the ball 8 times for 8 yards. But at the end of the day.....Rice got 20 touches and Pierce got 9.
If the Ravens D is this bad, BAL is going to be behind a lot and Rice could exceed 75 receptions.
So I wouldn't worry about Rice in a PPR league.
As long as the Ravens defense looks that bad, Rice is going to catch enough passes to have a pretty high floor in PPR leagues.He DID put up those points but I don't think it is as easy to brush off as you are saying. Honestly, Rice was one Wes Welker "gift fumble" away from being absolutely irrelevant last night in non-ppr.Significant lol. Not like we haven't seen this every year, and yet Rice still finishes top 10.
Rice was good for 22 pts last night in ppr. Nothing to see here folks.
In ppr, he's still getting his but for the first time, I see the chinks in the armor with Rice. I think he has the potential to lay a few duds this year, depending on the situations of the game and we usually don't see that from top 10 RBs (usually they find ways to get theres).
Thanks wasnt able to watch the game.He lined up wide more than a handful of times, he motioned out of it more often than not. I think he only took 3-4 snaps out wide.Did Rice line up wide when Pierce was in there? IIRC the Ravens said they would try and do that.
As weak an argument as take away [insert RB]'s big run and he only averaged 3.7 ypc.He DID put up those points but I don't think it is as easy to brush off as you are saying. Honestly, Rice was one Wes Welker "gift fumble" away from being absolutely irrelevant last night in non-ppr.Significant lol. Not like we haven't seen this every year, and yet Rice still finishes top 10.
Rice was good for 22 pts last night in ppr. Nothing to see here folks.
In ppr, he's still getting his but for the first time, I see the chinks in the armor with Rice. I think he has the potential to lay a few duds this year, depending on the situations of the game and we usually don't see that from top 10 RBs (usually they find ways to get theres).
He was also one BS Leach TD away from having a monster game!He DID put up those points but I don't think it is as easy to brush off as you are saying. Honestly, Rice was one Wes Welker "gift fumble" away from being absolutely irrelevant last night in non-ppr.Significant lol. Not like we haven't seen this every year, and yet Rice still finishes top 10.
Rice was good for 22 pts last night in ppr. Nothing to see here folks.
In ppr, he's still getting his but for the first time, I see the chinks in the armor with Rice. I think he has the potential to lay a few duds this year, depending on the situations of the game and we usually don't see that from top 10 RBs (usually they find ways to get theres).
Its because Pierce got 9 touches (9 attempts, no targets) that people are freaking out, usually Rices backups have more touches.Wait. Rice got 20 touches last night and people are freaking out?
That would be a nice thought, except that Rice did most of his damage in the first half when the score was closeI'm taking the opposite stance of most posters. I say the main reason Pierce only got 9 touches to Rice's 20 is due to the scoreboard. Rice is passing down back, we all know that. After halftime, the Ravens were in full-on passing mode and that heavily favors Rice.
Pierce is a solid back and will contribute more when the score is closer. I think we can expect closer to a 60/40 split next week.
Rice had 3 more carries and 8 receptions.I'm taking the opposite stance of most posters. I say the main reason Pierce only got 9 touches to Rice's 20 is due to the scoreboard. Rice is passing down back, we all know that. After halftime, the Ravens were in full-on passing mode and that heavily favors Rice.
Pierce is a solid back and will contribute more when the score is closer. I think we can expect closer to a 60/40 split next week.
Exactly this. Folks, Pitta and Boldin had 261 targets last year combined. That's a huge number to replace. It was 18 more than the combo of Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz. 35 more than Randall Cobb and James Jones! Was everyone expecting Jacoby Jones and Ed Dickson to suddenly turn into Miles Austin and Jason Witten this season?Baltimore's offense is going to STRUGGLE this year if they can't find more options in the passing game. Losing Pitta and Boldin are far more worrisome to me than Pierce.
Good question, from watching the game id say Rice was on the field 75% of the game.What were their snap counts?
Yes, but he wasn't so good in non-ppr and the only reason he was worth a crap at all was because of Welker's botched punt return and the fact that Flacco threw the ball 62 times, so he got 11 targets. On days in which he doesn't get a free touchdown and Flacco only throws the ball 32 times, things won't look so rosy.Significant lol. Not like we haven't seen this every year, and yet Rice still finishes top 10.
Rice was good for 22 pts last night in ppr. Nothing to see here folks.
For all the talk about how people are worried about Pierce, no one mentions that he was completely ineffective. The Oline was terrible last night, particularly after Ogden left. Ravens better hope him and Jones come back.Exactly this. Folks, Pitta and Boldin had 261 targets last year combined. That's a huge number to replace. It was 18 more than the combo of Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz. 35 more than Randall Cobb and James Jones! Was everyone expecting Jacoby Jones and Ed Dickson to suddenly turn into Miles Austin and Jason Witten this season?Baltimore's offense is going to STRUGGLE this year if they can't find more options in the passing game. Losing Pitta and Boldin are far more worrisome to me than Pierce.
I'd be more worried about what this means for Rice's production if (a) he wasn't such a great pass-catcher out of the backfield and (b) the Ravens' defense (last night notwithstanding) wasn't capable of keeping most games close. Rice will get his. Maybe Pierce will get his, too, but if so, it'll be out of a larger RB pie. Because what are the Ravens' other options at this point?
I think you mean Oher. Not the Ravens couldn't use a Jonathan Ogden about now.For all the talk about how people are worried about Pierce, no one mentions that he was completely ineffective. The Oline was terrible last night, particularly after Ogden left. Ravens better hope him and Jones come back.
In the second half, that team was a shell of it's 2012 self. No Ogden, Jones, Boldin and Pitta. Four huge losses. Rookie Marlon Brown has promise, and could be the savior, but he's a wide-eyed rookie that has some seasoning to do.
For all the talk about how people are worried about Pierce, no one mentions that he was completely ineffective.
disagree. he had a nice 14 yard scamper early on and looked like he was going to compliment Rice well while he took a breather. both backs struggled to find any kind of daylight after Oher went down.For all the talk about how people are worried about Pierce, no one mentions that he was completely ineffective.![]()
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The 14 yard run (which was blocked very well) was the only thing he's done. Since gaining that weight he has looked pedestrian in the pre-season and again last night.disagree. he had a nice 14 yard scamper early on and looked like he was going to compliment Rice well while he took a breather. both backs struggled to find any kind of daylight after Oher went down.For all the talk about how people are worried about Pierce, no one mentions that he was completely ineffective.![]()
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Yes, but he wasn't so good in non-ppr and the only reason he was worth a crap at all was because of Welker's botched punt return and the fact that Flacco threw the ball 62 times, so he got 11 targets. On days in which he doesn't get a free touchdown and Flacco only throws the ball 32 times, things won't look so rosy.Significant lol. Not like we haven't seen this every year, and yet Rice still finishes top 10.
Rice was good for 22 pts last night in ppr. Nothing to see here folks.
Wow, I'll admit I hadn't realized their targets were so high last year. Looks like Marlon Brown has some potential down the road, but considering what they needed to replace and Torrey Smith's general volatility, you really have to question Newsome on letting Boldin go over a couple million.Exactly this. Folks, Pitta and Boldin had 261 targets last year combined. That's a huge number to replace. It was 18 more than the combo of Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz. 35 more than Randall Cobb and James Jones! Was everyone expecting Jacoby Jones and Ed Dickson to suddenly turn into Miles Austin and Jason Witten this season?Baltimore's offense is going to STRUGGLE this year if they can't find more options in the passing game. Losing Pitta and Boldin are far more worrisome to me than Pierce.
I'd be more worried about what this means for Rice's production if (a) he wasn't such a great pass-catcher out of the backfield and (b) the Ravens' defense (last night notwithstanding) wasn't capable of keeping most games close. Rice will get his. Maybe Pierce will get his, too, but if so, it'll be out of a larger RB pie. Because what are the Ravens' other options at this point?
I think you mean Oher. Not the Ravens couldn't use a Jonathan Ogden about now.For all the talk about how people are worried about Pierce, no one mentions that he was completely ineffective. The Oline was terrible last night, particularly after Ogden left. Ravens better hope him and Jones come back.
In the second half, that team was a shell of it's 2012 self. No Ogden, Jones, Boldin and Pitta. Four huge losses. Rookie Marlon Brown has promise, and could be the savior, but he's a wide-eyed rookie that has some seasoning to do.
In PPR, losing 5 carries a game is meaningless, as I think he'll easily get to the 80 reception mark and possibly challenging his career highs in receptions. Of more concern is if the line can't block and his ypc suffers as a whole.We saw this happen over the course of the 2nd half of last year when Pierce went from averaging 18% of the carries to 38%. Carry wise, I'd expect 60/40 on a weekly basis. The "touch" ratio will fluctuate as it's dependent on the game state. Regardless, this isn't anything Rice owners shouldn't have seen coming from a mile away.
I never bought into the Pierce hype-train. Ray Rice is going to get the majority of goalline carries and receptions. Pierce might get 12-15 carries a game if he's lucky. Sure, he'll have 70 yards and a TD every now and then, but there is little upside and plenty of downside for his owners. He's basically a handcuff who you can possibly use as a starter if you are in dire straits, and if you are NOT in a ppr league. In a ppr league, he's virtually worthless, unless you think Rice is getting hurt.I'm actually more concerned as a Bernard Pierce owner. Not sure how many games they'll need him to salt away a big lead. Other than giving Rice a breather and the occasional red zone look, not sure what value he will have going forward. He's not a receiving back, so I'd expect Rice to be on the field more out of necessity. If Ed Dickson is really that bad, the Ravens need to figure out how to play Rice more, not less. Stokely/Dickson/Clark looked awful.