habsfan
Footballguy
This is essentially where I was. At some point in your draft he is a starting RB on an NFL team with Patterson and guys I had to Google behind him.
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RB Mike Davis, BAL (2 Viewers)
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It's a short distance if you look at it per attempt, cumulatively it adds up to a much bigger difference. Plus his career ypc is actually 3.7, his career yards per reception is a very low 6.4, and he has like 3 total plays over 25 yards in his entire career.
Not saying he's going to bust, but he's been pretty underwhelming so far.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This exactly.
For all the talk of “JAG” on FBG, Davis is the JAGiest JAG who ever JAG’d.
His greatest assets appear to be
1. health
2. opportunity
while I understand the value of both in FF, I see taking Davis at his ADP as something one ends up with rather than someone one targets.
But then, I still remember him plodding his way out of SF at under 3 YPC. Small sample size, but…more was expected.
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greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
The Mike Davis, Gaskin, Gus Edwards, Henderson, Robinson "Who's worth drafting as an RB2 and where" game is making for an interesting week for my pre-draft study. Feels like any of them could be amazing or terrible values at ADP. RB2 Wild west this year. WR2's feel so much more settled.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Of that list I have it
Robinson -> Henderson -> Gaskin -> Edwards -> -> -> -> Davis
Robinson for what I believe will be volume
Henderson for getting the lion’s share of touches in what I believe could be a top 5 offense.
Gaskin because he’s looked damn good this preseason & flashed a little last year (though both Henderson & Gaskin have durability concerns)
Edwards this low because he isn’t a good receiver (or if he is we are unlikely to find that out in Baltimore where they've been 3rd least & 4th least in passing to RBs over the last 2 seasons)
And Mike Davis because he’s Mike Davis.
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You seem to be real caught up on his ypc. Here’s a couple more statistics from last year for you: Wanna know how many players forced more missed tackles per rush than Davis last year? One-Nick Chubb. He also ranked 4th in total broken tackles and 14th in yards after contact. And it’s not like he was doing his with a QB that was really opening things up for him down the field.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Thx. I like seeing those additional stats. Much more helpful than anything else I’ve read in here.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
JoeJoe88 said:
In 1 season.
Sample size matters. And situation matters.
Now, in 2021, he's on a new team, with a worse defense, and is likely now 4th in the pecking order for receptions in an offense that's likely to be facing a substantial number of negative game scripts. Seriously, have you seen ATL's secondary & defense? It was keystone cops out there on Sunday. And yeah, I know it's preseason, but when your starting safety tackles your starting CB, allowing a 25+ yards gain to a guy who runs "glacial speed", that's probably a bad sign.
What he did last year is an outlier in his otherwise thoroughly meh career.
I'm not sure what's more impressive to me - what he did with his opportunity last year, or that he was still in the league to do it last year. I'mma call that one a coin toss.
@oswizzle's Michael Turner comp isn't great, because at least Turner "the Burner" could run. Davis isn't quick, he's not powerful - honestly I'm not sure what his strength is besides "healthy" and "there". We'll see how this season plays out, but IMO he's likely to be a bust at his 4-5 round ADP.
Yep, one season. In one season he caught more balls than Ollison did in four seasons in college. And you said Ollison was a better pass catcher earlier in this thread. I get it man, you don’t like Davis. No one’s saying he’s King Henry. But the opportunity is there in what should be a pretty good offense. Bad defense? That’s okay, Matt Ryan loves throwing dump offs to his running backs. And if I had to make a wager that’s going to be Davis catching those way more frequently than Ollison.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I believe I said that in context of what ive seen this preseason, but it I omitted that, apologies - that’s what I meant.
It’s possible. And I concede it’s possible that Davis and his thoroughly mediocre skill set lasts as the starter all year.
Anythjng’s possible.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I look at him as Tiny House on stilts. High floor but low ceiling.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Falcons waived RB Qadree Ollison. Faith in Mike Davis rising to record heights.
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jimmy b
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
obviously not
I cannot figure out if the falcons are tanking, trying to make the playoffs or what. If they are not tanking then it seems to me the head coach is going all in on Davis and we should expect pretty good numbers. If they are tanking which I kindof doubt that they are due to ryans contract then we still will see a heavy workload on davis.
win/win
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Gallman > Davis
Davis owners should be just as happy about this signing as Henderson owners were about the Sony signing.
Davis owners should be just as happy about this signing as Henderson owners were about the Sony signing.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Davis couldn't make it in SF. initial impressions are hard to change.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He not only “couldn’t make it” - he averaged less than 2 YPC his 1st year & barely topped that his 2nd.
No one should like Mike Davis.
I’m tempted to add Gallman in redraft because I think he’s gonna take that job.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Ps - as for my comments in here, I’m just lookin out for y’all. “Next man up” at RB has value in FF, and Nike Davis is the most replaceable starting RB in the NFL.
And now there’s a quality option behind him, who’s available in 95+% of redraft leagues.
Do with that infornation as you like.
For Davis owners, Gallman is a must-add.
And now there’s a quality option behind him, who’s available in 95+% of redraft leagues.
Do with that infornation as you like.
For Davis owners, Gallman is a must-add.
TripItUp
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
For now.
regardless, he’s free to pick up & IMO Davis is a must-handcuff back. You don’t need me to tell you this, his career should tell you this.
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TripItUp
Footballguy
in your expert opinion, why has the Atlanta coaching staff decided to start an inferior player over you boy Gallman?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I never said they did. I said Gallman is a must add handcuff to Davis. I gave plenty of reasons.
Reading isn’t hard. Have a nice day.
TripItUp
Footballguy
you’ve stated very definitively that Gallman is better than Davis, surely you have reasoning as to why the Falcons coaching staff would make such an egregious error?
Are the falcons trying to lose?
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Ollison was also apparently better than Davis. I guess Atlanta disagreed. Atlanta could’ve signed Trent Richardson and people would be planting their flags on him right now.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
I found this website https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/wayne-gallman/ that seems to put together easily readable stats and efficiency. My biggest takeaway in comparing him to Mike Davis for 2020 was the large discrepancy in the passing game in favor of Davis. Not sure if Gallman is a bad receiving back or just never got the opportunity. Otherwise, purely on paper, their efficiency is negligible (on a tier system if you will). Is Gallman just not a good receiver/route runner? If so, it should keep Davis in the driver seat IMO.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This. I would recommend anyone add whomever the backup in ATL is, because Mike Davis has been thoroughly meh his career, and is likely the most at-risk RB for RL & FF purposes.
Owning his backup is the smart play. FWIW I do think Ollison is better, but that’s just personal opinion. It’s the role, not the player.
As for Gallman/Davis, clearly ATL thought they needed more behind Davis. That’s definitively proven since they made this move.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s possible. They just didn’t really throw to the RB after Barkley got hurt last year. Gallman sure was effective against stacked boxes all season though once he took the job.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Again: agree with me or disagree with me, all good.
Gallman is a good running back. Regardless of whether he takes over tne position from Davis, he’s worth rostering & probably hurts Davis’ value.
I know Davis helped a lot of teams last year with his 3.9 ypc & opportunity in the CAR offense.
But I don’t think I’m on an island saying he’s not the 2nd coming of Barry Sanders. He’s arguably the worst “feature back” in the NFL today, and his backup is worth owning, whether you’re a Davis owner or not.
some folks on this forum try so hard to be “right” about a player or to prove others wrong that they pick hills to die on. I have no horse in this race - I don’t roster Davis anywhere & someone beat me to Gallman. It would be silly to ignore the Gallman signing, and even sillier to pretend that Mike Davis is some special NFL running back. He’s really not. Sorry if that vexes you. If you own Davis, good luck with him. I advise you to stop arguing on his behalf and go protect your investment with a Gallman add, stat.
Gallman is a good running back. Regardless of whether he takes over tne position from Davis, he’s worth rostering & probably hurts Davis’ value.
I know Davis helped a lot of teams last year with his 3.9 ypc & opportunity in the CAR offense.
But I don’t think I’m on an island saying he’s not the 2nd coming of Barry Sanders. He’s arguably the worst “feature back” in the NFL today, and his backup is worth owning, whether you’re a Davis owner or not.
some folks on this forum try so hard to be “right” about a player or to prove others wrong that they pick hills to die on. I have no horse in this race - I don’t roster Davis anywhere & someone beat me to Gallman. It would be silly to ignore the Gallman signing, and even sillier to pretend that Mike Davis is some special NFL running back. He’s really not. Sorry if that vexes you. If you own Davis, good luck with him. I advise you to stop arguing on his behalf and go protect your investment with a Gallman add, stat.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think Davis will keep the job but Gallman was just signed today - he wouldn’t be handed the job on day one.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
i never said he would. trip likes putting words in people’s mouths instead of using the quote feature.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Rotoworld opines:
”WAYNE GALLMANRB, ATLANTA FALCONS
Falcons signed RB Wayne Gallman.
Qadree Ollison was waived in a corresponding roster move. It is really late to be making this kind of move — Ollison had been No. 2 on the depth chart behind Mike Davis — but there is never a bad time to make an upgrade. The Falcons clearly did not have faith in Ollison as their No. 2 and believe Gallman is a better option. From the outside, it is hard to spot much of, or any, difference between the two, though Gallman does have more experience. The Falcons continue to display a stunning amount of faith in Davis, who wore down badly for the Panthers in 2020. Were Davis to go down, Gallman would enter the re-draft picture, but he lacks standalone value. “
That bolded part is none too flattering. Some y’all might wanna get out your pens to write stern admonition letters for the unkind words they wrote about the reality that is Mike Davis.
”WAYNE GALLMANRB, ATLANTA FALCONS
Falcons signed RB Wayne Gallman.
Qadree Ollison was waived in a corresponding roster move. It is really late to be making this kind of move — Ollison had been No. 2 on the depth chart behind Mike Davis — but there is never a bad time to make an upgrade. The Falcons clearly did not have faith in Ollison as their No. 2 and believe Gallman is a better option. From the outside, it is hard to spot much of, or any, difference between the two, though Gallman does have more experience. The Falcons continue to display a stunning amount of faith in Davis, who wore down badly for the Panthers in 2020. Were Davis to go down, Gallman would enter the re-draft picture, but he lacks standalone value. “
That bolded part is none too flattering. Some y’all might wanna get out your pens to write stern admonition letters for the unkind words they wrote about the reality that is Mike Davis.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Sure, I was responding to Trip asking you why “if Gallman was better than Davis, why is the staff starting Davis?”
While I do like Gallman, I think Davis looks like a good fit for that offense.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He could be. Obviously I’m not a fan.
Would a RBBC surprise you? Seems like the Falcons felt like they needed more than Ollison behind him.
I’m interested to see how he performs. That offense isn’t likely to be run-heavy, imo.
A lot will come down to whether last year was an outlier for Davis or if that’s who he is now, and who gets receptions & who’s used at the stripe.
I concede Davis could hold the job all year. He could be a good volume play.
I’m just not willing to bet on it by drafting him.
Well yeah, I mean they just cut the number 2 guy. I think that speaks more to how they felt about Ollison and how they currently feel about Patterson than an indictment of Davis. You have to have depth, especially at RB.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Of course.
But also, Mike Davis is not a special RB. He has a career to show that.
Right now Davis’ value is based on exactly what he was in Carolina: a healthy RB who has opportunity.
Both of those things can be fleeting. I target “next man up” in just about all RB situations. That’s one of the staples of the “zero RB” guys. In that light, combined with Davis career numbers. it seems whomever the RB2 is would be especially worth owning.
If he comes out plodding at ~3 yards a clip, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Gallman eat into his touches. And if he gets dinged up, Gallman then gets the opportunity.
I don’t think Gallman is particularly special either, but he’s a hard-nosed runner who can get the job done if he get the chance.
Anyway, not my hill to die on, just offering advice. I’m not gonna go to the mat for Ollison or Gallman.
i’m just sayin a RB2 is worth rostering given the lack of star power that is Mike Davis.
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Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
Sometimes guys actually develop and become better football players....especially when given an opportunity they may not have had before....Priest Holmes was buried on a depth chart In BAL....had a decent year but was then replaced by Lewis....went on to KC and blew up....not saying Davis is Holmes and will have those monster years....but just using it to say sometimes it just takes the right time, right place, and right opportunity to produce if you are a good player and have gotten better....the stars are lining up right and Davis could be set up to have a nice fantasy season....
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Sometimes they do.
sometimes that player is Priest Holmes, who I rostered the first year he blew up in KC. He was a monster who looked like a world beater with every dynamic carry, and who couldn’t be held out of the end zone if you built a brick wall.
And sometimes that player is Mike Davis, who, when given that opportunity was still kind of a mediocre volume play RB, who faded down the stretch.
I don’t deny that Mike Davis was better last year in CAR than he was in SF. But he was also statistically worse in CAR than he was in Seattle before that.
So….what’s the gamble worth if you haven’t drafted yet? Will be be as good, or better, or worse than he was last year? And will the addition of Gallman help, or hurt his expected value for 2021 on the Falcons?
He went in the late 5th in my redraft on Saturday. When I look at the players taken around him, I can’t imagine why.
Im glad I have no drafts left. Maybe the Gallman signing drops Davis to the 6th? Still quite risky, in my opinion. And I don’t mind risk….as long as there’s upside.
I struggle to see his upside as better than what we saw in CAR.
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Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
Imo....he is a solid RB3 that could give you solid/above avg RB2 type numbers.....so in the 5th he is in the discussion depending on the makeup of your first 4 picks (your draft slot) and how the rest of the draft has gone....he obviously isn’t a center piece of your FF team, but a decent target if you go with something that only involves 1 RB in your first four picks....I’d be ok with him as my RB2 if that is kind of my plan going in.....I mean let’s be honest with the Akers/Henderson/Michel/Dobbins/Gus/etc and uncertainty in some other spots around where Davis has been going, his “situation” is somewhat appealing and seems pretty stable for high volume touches.....we are a couple weeks out and they cut the RB2 (who many people probably already drafted).....so it feels like the confidence is there and the Gallman signing isn’t really something that should move the needle....Gallman could have been almost anybody (Gore/Gurley/Bell/insert any other FA/cut RB here) and many would be saying the same....better jump on him....I think ATL has shown their confidence in Davis being the workhorse and I’m paying attention....(I also som pic where he looked to be in tremendous shape/ thighs like tree trunks)....so there’s that ....lol...you aren’t going to have to mortgage the farm to add him as a pretty safe addition to your lineup and I’d lean towards higher end RB2 numbers than lower....watch what teams do, not what they say...
Impressive: Mike Davis | 2020 Highlights ( ~5 minutes of your life)
Better than expected: Wayne Gallman's 2020 FULL Season Highlights | New York Giants (~ 3 minutes)
Conclusions:
Better than expected: Wayne Gallman's 2020 FULL Season Highlights | New York Giants (~ 3 minutes)
Conclusions:
- Davis breaks a lot of tackles, just like pff said, one of the best in 2020. Very good receiver.
- Gallman makes people miss, better receiver than advertised. His yards after contact was 4th best in the league.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’ve made this exact point a few times now. And I’m saying exactly that - it could be anyone. There’s opportunity there for whoever.
it just happens that they’re not playing behind a high caliber back.
he is jacked, that’s true.
As for who ATL has convince in
He was their offseason RB target, so sure.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Sure, I can get with this.
and I’m not sure anyone would disagree that if Davis fails or gets dinged up, Gallman’s gonna be a pretty valuable fantasy asset.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Sometimes being a solid, workmanike back is enough... Davis has played solidly at every stop but never was considered as a a starter because of the guys in-house and injuries (Seattle and Chicago). Is it so surprising a team wants to give him a shot here? I can see a reasonable 70-30 split to start out with, never know what role Patterson will play yet. If Davis gets 15 carries and 2-3 receptions per game, that's plenty enough to make him a solid-to-plus fantasy RB2.
Gallman will have to learn the playbook, but if the zone blocking schme Giants ran is similar to Atlanta's it won't take him much time. Will be interesting to see how fast it takes for him to get 40% of the RB snaps. Atlanta no stranger to having 2 viable fantasy producers at RB.
Gallman will have to learn the playbook, but if the zone blocking schme Giants ran is similar to Atlanta's it won't take him much time. Will be interesting to see how fast it takes for him to get 40% of the RB snaps. Atlanta no stranger to having 2 viable fantasy producers at RB.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
No offense but you have literally said that about every falcon rb backup. You do you
pantherclub
Footballguy
If you can't imagine why Davis went in the late 5th then maybe fantasy football just isnt for you. He is a starting rb on a good offense with an offensive minded coach that has a rep for bringing out the talent in running backs. Again, dude you are way too hung up with his supposed skill set and not focusing on his sheer volume and opportunity.
