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I’m not really a numbered list kinda guy. I’m a buckets guy. I use tiers, though I know they’re going out of style with some writers.
To be honest I only think like FF sites and magazines do straight 1-through whatever rankings of players. Most serious players I know have tiers of Rbs, wrs, qbs whatever and then within those tiers they may rank 1-5. So I personally had Mike Davis last sat in my tier 4 (towards the end) ranked 6ish. Right around guys like Damien Harris (7) and J Williams.(8). Since last Sat the only change would be moving Edwards into that same ballpark.
If you ranked the players within the tiers and assuming your tiers were in order - after all is said and done, you’d still have guys ranked in 1-30+ order.
Sortof, and I see what you are saying but you have to factor in the wr tiers, te tiers etc when you are drafting. my wr tier 2 is going to be more valuable than my tier 2 running back. When you just go 1-30 its tough (for me anyway) to differentiate the value vs other positions. I think most folks will agree ranking by tiers is incredibly easier and more productive
I’ve already addressed the above extensively. I never disagreed with Davis being a volume play/getting bulk of carries.
I’m at my farmers market setting up my booth and don’t have my rankings in front of me.
Ok, well, it’s the best I’ve got at the moment since I don’t have my rankings in front of me.
It's not about "jobs". It's about playing fantasy football. Depends on how the draft has gone so far. If I have already gotten 2 starters at RB then I would be inclined for williams as he probably will produce later in the year. If I need a RB 2 then davis because he will get touches out of the gate.
If it's your pick and Mike Davis, Damian Harris and J Williams are the best players available and they are all available and all in the same tier, how does one decide who to pick?
If it's your pick and Mike Davis, Damian Harris and J Williams are the best players available and they are all available and all in the same tier, how does one decide who to pick?
That’s basically it, yes. Maybe tier 5 for me, since I slice and dice a little more before the draft and he was at the very end of that list.
I go by whichever one I like best? Probably your site had something to do with how I arrived there... most likely I haven't spent much time on specifics with tier 4 players beyond grouping them together and seeing how it shakes out.
Whatever.. it is between you and Hot Sauce. I just feel like you are drilling one of us people that play fantasy as thought they are someone that PLAYS fantasy football. Good luck.
this year its just 2. Cmac cook. Tier 2 just 3. Then 3 it gets larger and more jumbled.
In my answer (that you said I was avoiding the question), I specifically said Davis was at the very end of that tier.
If it's your pick and Mike Davis, Damian Harris and J Williams are the best players available and they are all available and all in the same tier, how does one decide who to pick?
They both had moments last year. They both struggled at times last year.
But they had a chance at both JAGs. And paid one of them way more than the other got. And then the other was cut. This is clearly just a we want vet RB depth signing. Huntley will have his roster spot my Halloween. And honestly that's the guy in think can eventually unseat MD if he comes in as an injury replacement. Sending Huntley to PS was just roster juggling.
cmac because I am a panther fan (no logic involved) and I think the offense is going to be really good. I also think there is some regression coming to Cook in the form of TDs. He still will be good but I think cmac probably edges him out. I had the 3rd pick in my big money draft and went Kelce. I feel Kelce is more valuable than the next RB or WR just because of the lack of quality te
Sure - I’m not arguing that either.
He feels like a gadget guy, WR/RB hybrid, so yeah - I’m reasonably sure his role is as a receiver/special teams guy
Well like the post I did above it becomes how my draft has gone. Using the example is if Davis and Williams are neck and neck it depends on if Davis is my rb3 or 2. If 2 pull the trigger. If my RB 1 and 2 are filled then Williams as I can afford to wait. That is why ranking people 1-60 is kindof dumb in the grand scheme of things. Davis is far more valuable in weeks 1-4ish than Williams will be. But it flips IMO later in the year once they ease him in.
I have Gus over Davis, but yeah - they’re in the same general area (though I think Gus is sneaking into the 4th lately). VBD would say to skip Gus & draft Davis if you have them close, but I like the context for Gus better in that run-1st offense.
Sorry I didnt mean dumb as in ranking them that way. I mean its dumb to have your 1-whatever rankings and say its your turn in the 4rth and you simply pick the next guy whatever the position on your board. Thats what I meant by dumb rankings. You have your rankings,tiers whatever and then you have to apply that in real time during your draft.
This is exactly what I do in redraft. I have a rankings and my number doesn't really matter much to me. For the first round maybe even 2 and 3 sure the rankings matter a lot, but once I am further into a draft I am selecting in my tiers based on how I previously drafted players.
IMO Tiers have much more utility for auction drafts more than snake drafts. Personally, I hate, hate, hate snake drafts but it still seems to be a part of the norm. But, like vinyl records, it just won't die.
If it's your pick and Mike Davis, Damian Harris and J Williams are the best players available and they are all available and all in the same tier, how does one decide who to pick?
I like Gus over Davis and it’s not really much of a contest. The Ravens love to run the ball and they do it well. Their D keeps them in games and Gus should get plenty of carries. Maybe Davis is going to catch more passes than I expect which would put him at the same ranking level as Gus.
Rushing yards favors Gus, but Matt Ryan won't be vulturing touches/GL looks. You've already touched on pass catching. Standard scoring I like Gus better, PPR, prob still take Gus, but much closer to a coin flip.
Situational value is totally a thing, I agree.
Situational value is totally a thing, I agree.
if I went TE, WR, WR, QB and Davis was the last player at his tier, even I might take him in that context/situation.
No one is a true DND.
You're correct though in saying I don’t love drafting JAG type players at 5th round ADP. If what gives them value is that they have opportunity, I’d often rather wait for a player who has better skills & less opportunity. Perfect example in my draft last Saturday when I let Davis go by, and selected Javonte Williams at the end of the next round.
IMO a player with better skills will get more opportunity as the season goes on - that’s the bet with Williams.
My fear with guys like Davis is they may get less opportunity as the season goes on, because they’re not special players.
and if I’m 100% wrong about that & miss on what Joe & some of you feel is a value with Davis, I can live with that. We all value players differently. There are many ways to play this game.
