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RB Quinshon Judkins, CLE (1 Viewer)

Personally, I think there is a very good chance that if Judkins off field issues lead to him not signing soon, or possibly being on the exempt list, that he falls behind Sampson, and maybe never gets the job from Sampson.
That I could believe.
Sampson is a baller. Super young, huge production is a nice combo. Still think CLE will need a bruiser type, so Quinshon will not be entirely phased out (once whatever suspension is handed out) .
People seem to think Ford is dog :poop: and he isn't.
Oh I’m not one of those by any means. I really like Ford, but I do believe he has his limitations - and Sampson can do what he (Ford) can do, better. Sure, Ford has the experience; Sampson will gain that.

They will still need a big back.
 
Ford sprinkles the occasional splash play around a cavalcade of forgettable touches. The allure of the unknown is enticing with Sampson, but only Nick Chubb has overcome the stench of this franchise and the football gods said that's enough of him. Your resources are better spent elsewhere.
 
Ford sprinkles the occasional splash play around a cavalcade of forgettable touches. The allure of the unknown is enticing with Sampson, but only Nick Chubb has overcome the stench of this franchise and the football gods said that's enough of him. Your resources are better spent elsewhere.
Sampson is undersized for a feature back at 5'8" 190 pounds (some say 200), raising legitimate questions about durability under a full NFL workload. He's also no help in the receiving game and while I don't hold this too much against him, he has fumble issues. I think that is the most overblown statistic when evaluating players.
 
Would you send someone like Golden or Burden for him now?
Hard to say. The Judkins truthers would jump all over that, but I wasn't totally in on Judkins. Mainly because I don't see him as helping in the receiiving game. He would be solid between the tackles, but I don't see many big plays in his future. He can break a tackle or two however.
 
Would you send someone like Golden or Burden for him now?
I wouldn't have taken him over Golden to begin with. I'd probably rather keep Burden too, I can certainly see a path for Judkins>Burden, but can see the reverse as well, and that's before factoring this off field stuff in.
 
Would you send someone like Golden or Burden for him now?
If you believe in Judkins talent and can handle a suspension if it comes then yeah. There are a lot of donkeys in the NFL. Joe Mixon has had a great career and there was video of him knocking some girl out.
 
Would you send someone like Golden or Burden for him now?
Tough one.

This is my 12th and 13th ranked rookies for a guy I moved up to 5th.

I don't care much about a suspension, Sampson taking over, Ford, etc,etc. None of that moves my needle.

But I do care about the dreaded commissioner exempt list and I think he's going to end up on it and I've had to many experiences with players on my roster who end up getting sat down for 1.5+ years via suspension and the exempt list and that's brutal in the smaller roster leagues that I play. Due to the timeframe of when this occurred if he does not end up settling the case I think he'll miss the entire year AND then serve his suspension next season. If I knew that was the certain outcome I'd rather have the two WR's but don't know that, it's more likely IMO he ends up settling the case, serving a suspension this year and playing late in the year.

A lot of factors depending on your roster, league settings(like 2 min start WR or 3)risk tolerance/what you think will happen, etc,etc.

I have Burden in two leagues and I'd keep him in one, I'd trade for him Judkins in the other. Don't own Golden but if I did I think I'd roll the dice on Judkins. I also don't play in any leagues that require me to start a minimum of 3 WR's.
 
Dood punched a chick while awaiting his entry into the dreamiest of all the dream jobs this planet has to offer. I don't care how hot she is or what she did or didn't do to deserve it. He's a moron and should be drafted accordingly.
 
Sampson is undersized for a feature back at 5'8" 190 pounds (some say 200), raising legitimate questions about durability under a full NFL workload. He's also no help in the receiving game and while I don't hold this too much against him, he has fumble issues. I think that is the most overblown statistic when evaluating players.
Not many current RB's 200 or under who are no help in the passing game. Seems like a prerequisite to be a great receiving back if you are undersized.
 
Dood punched a chick while awaiting his entry into the dreamiest of all the dream jobs this planet has to offer. I don't care how hot she is or what she did or didn't do to deserve it. He's a moron and should be drafted accordingly.
I heard she said to Judkins that Dylan Sampson's wee wee is bigger.
 
Personally, I think there is a very good chance that if Judkins off field issues lead to him not signing soon, or possibly being on the exempt list, that he falls behind Sampson, and maybe never gets the job from Sampson.
That I could believe.
Sampson is a baller. Super young, huge production is a nice combo. Still think CLE will need a bruiser type, so Quinshon will not be entirely phased out (once whatever suspension is handed out) .
People seem to think Ford is dog :poop: and he isn't.
Cle must not be thrilled with him as they took 2 RBs in the draft
 
Another question maybe someone with experience can help. She called police after 3 days since the incident and we haven't heard about any evidence she has except ofcourse the bruises which in reality could be from anything or anyone... why would the police arrest him without an investigation
 
Another question maybe someone with experience can help. She called police after 3 days since the incident and we haven't heard about any evidence she has except ofcourse the bruises which in reality could be from anything or anyone... why would the police arrest him without an investigation
You should follow Drew Davenport on Twitter, he provided a comprehensive breakdown of where things are after yesterday.
 
Would you send someone like Golden or Burden for him now?
Tough one.

This is my 12th and 13th ranked rookies for a guy I moved up to 5th.

I don't care much about a suspension, Sampson taking over, Ford, etc,etc. None of that moves my needle.

But I do care about the dreaded commissioner exempt list and I think he's going to end up on it and I've had to many experiences with players on my roster who end up getting sat down for 1.5+ years via suspension and the exempt list and that's brutal in the smaller roster leagues that I play. Due to the timeframe of when this occurred if he does not end up settling the case I think he'll miss the entire year AND then serve his suspension next season. If I knew that was the certain outcome I'd rather have the two WR's but don't know that, it's more likely IMO he ends up settling the case, serving a suspension this year and playing late in the year.

A lot of factors depending on your roster, league settings(like 2 min start WR or 3)risk tolerance/what you think will happen, etc,etc.

I have Burden in two leagues and I'd keep him in one, I'd trade for him Judkins in the other. Don't own Golden but if I did I think I'd roll the dice on Judkins. I also don't play in any leagues that require me to start a minimum of 3 WR's.
My rookie draft starts saturday, i have 12th pick, and doubt he falls that far, but I was looking to trade up for him or Kaleb, I wonder if they kinda swap ADP now, Kaleb goes mid rd, and Judkins more 9-10 range.

I am still planning to pick from Golden, Higgins, Burden, and its still a toss up in my mind. Can make a case for all 3 of those in a dynasty league.
 
Would you send someone like Golden or Burden for him now?
Tough one.

This is my 12th and 13th ranked rookies for a guy I moved up to 5th.

I don't care much about a suspension, Sampson taking over, Ford, etc,etc. None of that moves my needle.

But I do care about the dreaded commissioner exempt list and I think he's going to end up on it and I've had to many experiences with players on my roster who end up getting sat down for 1.5+ years via suspension and the exempt list and that's brutal in the smaller roster leagues that I play. Due to the timeframe of when this occurred if he does not end up settling the case I think he'll miss the entire year AND then serve his suspension next season. If I knew that was the certain outcome I'd rather have the two WR's but don't know that, it's more likely IMO he ends up settling the case, serving a suspension this year and playing late in the year.

A lot of factors depending on your roster, league settings(like 2 min start WR or 3)risk tolerance/what you think will happen, etc,etc.

I have Burden in two leagues and I'd keep him in one, I'd trade for him Judkins in the other. Don't own Golden but if I did I think I'd roll the dice on Judkins. I also don't play in any leagues that require me to start a minimum of 3 WR's.
My rookie draft starts saturday, i have 12th pick, and doubt he falls that far, but I was looking to trade up for him or Kaleb, I wonder if they kinda swap ADP now, Kaleb goes mid rd, and Judkins more 9-10 range.

I am still planning to pick from Golden, Higgins, Burden, and its still a toss up in my mind. Can make a case for all 3 of those in a dynasty league.
You don't think Judkins will fall that far and you might be right, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. I'd be tempted to take Golden over him, but probably not with the other two. I'm a little more hesitant in passing on Burden, because even though I don't think he will do much in 2025, I see a world in which DJ Moore is gone after this year, even with the dead cap it would cause. I don't think the Bears like the work ethic of DJ Moore. I know things can change on that front, but I can see Odunze and Burden being their top two WRs in the near future. Good luck in your draft.
 
Another question maybe someone with experience can help. She called police after 3 days since the incident and we haven't heard about any evidence she has except ofcourse the bruises which in reality could be from anything or anyone... why would the police arrest him without an investigation
You should follow Drew Davenport on Twitter, he provided a comprehensive breakdown of where things are after yesterday.
I dont have X or Twitter
 
Would you send someone like Golden or Burden for him now?
Tough one.

This is my 12th and 13th ranked rookies for a guy I moved up to 5th.

I don't care much about a suspension, Sampson taking over, Ford, etc,etc. None of that moves my needle.

But I do care about the dreaded commissioner exempt list and I think he's going to end up on it and I've had to many experiences with players on my roster who end up getting sat down for 1.5+ years via suspension and the exempt list and that's brutal in the smaller roster leagues that I play. Due to the timeframe of when this occurred if he does not end up settling the case I think he'll miss the entire year AND then serve his suspension next season. If I knew that was the certain outcome I'd rather have the two WR's but don't know that, it's more likely IMO he ends up settling the case, serving a suspension this year and playing late in the year.

A lot of factors depending on your roster, league settings(like 2 min start WR or 3)risk tolerance/what you think will happen, etc,etc.

I have Burden in two leagues and I'd keep him in one, I'd trade for him Judkins in the other. Don't own Golden but if I did I think I'd roll the dice on Judkins. I also don't play in any leagues that require me to start a minimum of 3 WR's.
My rookie draft starts saturday, i have 12th pick, and doubt he falls that far, but I was looking to trade up for him or Kaleb, I wonder if they kinda swap ADP now, Kaleb goes mid rd, and Judkins more 9-10 range.

I am still planning to pick from Golden, Higgins, Burden, and its still a toss up in my mind. Can make a case for all 3 of those in a dynasty league.
I could see Judkins falling that far, easily. In one 16 team league I traded up to 1.13 to draft Judkins (before this news broke). Now with this drama coming about, I could totally see Judkins falling further. In another 16 tm league I am in, Sampson went at 1.13 and Judkins went at 1.08. The Judkins pick at 1.08 was before the news broke, the Sampson pick at 1.13 was right after the news broke.
 
Would you send someone like Golden or Burden for him now?
Tough one.

This is my 12th and 13th ranked rookies for a guy I moved up to 5th.

I don't care much about a suspension, Sampson taking over, Ford, etc,etc. None of that moves my needle.

But I do care about the dreaded commissioner exempt list and I think he's going to end up on it and I've had to many experiences with players on my roster who end up getting sat down for 1.5+ years via suspension and the exempt list and that's brutal in the smaller roster leagues that I play. Due to the timeframe of when this occurred if he does not end up settling the case I think he'll miss the entire year AND then serve his suspension next season. If I knew that was the certain outcome I'd rather have the two WR's but don't know that, it's more likely IMO he ends up settling the case, serving a suspension this year and playing late in the year.

A lot of factors depending on your roster, league settings(like 2 min start WR or 3)risk tolerance/what you think will happen, etc,etc.

I have Burden in two leagues and I'd keep him in one, I'd trade for him Judkins in the other. Don't own Golden but if I did I think I'd roll the dice on Judkins. I also don't play in any leagues that require me to start a minimum of 3 WR's.
My rookie draft starts saturday, i have 12th pick, and doubt he falls that far, but I was looking to trade up for him or Kaleb, I wonder if they kinda swap ADP now, Kaleb goes mid rd, and Judkins more 9-10 range.

I am still planning to pick from Golden, Higgins, Burden, and its still a toss up in my mind. Can make a case for all 3 of those in a dynasty league.
I could see Judkins falling that far, easily. In one 16 team league I traded up to 1.13 to draft Judkins (before this news broke). Now with this drama coming about, I could totally see Judkins falling further. In another 16 tm league I am in, Sampson went at 1.13 and Judkins went at 1.08. The Judkins pick at 1.08 was before the news broke, the Sampson pick at 1.13 was right after the news broke.
1.13 before this happened is outlier kind of stuff but I could see it now easily and unless something stems the tide it’s going to keep dropping.


Just no good news or details on his end since this started. No denial from him, cancelled all the events he was scheduled for this week, is basically in hiding and offering nothing positive.

Now Browns getting word out they are in no rush to sign him until his status is cleared up, if ever.

There is a non-zero chance this guy is back in our rookie drafts next year. ETA- or back in the NFL draft.
 
back in the NFL draft.
So is this a bad thing? Assuming he gets this event done to conclusion (whatever suspension happens (if there is one) and is over) would going back in the draft be bad for his FF outlook? Maybe yes or maybe no. I don't think it would necessarily be bad.
 
back in the NFL draft.
So is this a bad thing? Assuming he gets this event done to conclusion (whatever suspension happens (if there is one) and is over) would going back in the draft be bad for his FF outlook? Maybe yes or maybe no. I don't think it would necessarily be bad.
I considered that and one of the reasons I chose him over Kaleb and overall enhanced his value was that's premium draft commitment capital for a RB. That would be out the window unless he got drafted in that range again which seems unlikely.

So we'd lose that for him having a shot at landing in a better offense.

That plane can land but I'd not count on it.
 
back in the NFL draft.
So is this a bad thing? Assuming he gets this event done to conclusion (whatever suspension happens (if there is one) and is over) would going back in the draft be bad for his FF outlook? Maybe yes or maybe no. I don't think it would necessarily be bad.
He would pick a good year to do so, because the 2026 draft for RBs isn't strong IMO. You have Jeremiah Love, Nick Singleton, a recovering Cedric Baxter and Darius Taylor being the strongest of the group. People are hyping Love, but I think he would be no better than 4th or 5th in this year's draft. Singleton had a nice bounce back year, but he didn't look good the year before. Baxter is coming off an ACL tear. Then Taylor, who I'm intrigued by, but uncertain how good he really is. He may get terrible draft capital next year. I don't think there is a first rounder in the group. There are others, like Ott and Haynes, so we will see how that turns out this year. Haynes had the high school hype, but hasn't broken out yet.
 
Personally, I think there is a very good chance that if Judkins off field issues lead to him not signing soon, or possibly being on the exempt list, that he falls behind Sampson, and maybe never gets the job from Sampson.
That I could believe.
Sampson is a baller. Super young, huge production is a nice combo. Still think CLE will need a bruiser type, so Quinshon will not be entirely phased out (once whatever suspension is handed out) .
People seem to think Ford is dog :poop: and he isn't.
One of the sneakiest values in re-draft and best ball this year.
 
Judkins went after Nick Chubb in this Best Ball draft in the 9th round (17 teams) and he went after both Sampson and Ford.

Amazingly, while the league group chat was discussing Judkin situation, the team going rookie crazy in my super flex start up picked him at 7.02

74th overall. I thought that was crazy.
 
One of the sneakiest values in re-draft and best ball this year.
Based on what? Ford was the 'lead' back most of last year, but that just led an average of 7 carries / game, topped out at 12 (week 1), only had double digit carries twice after week 4, and almost half of his receiving production came in those first 4 games. Chubb was only a serious threat to his volume for a few games midseason and some of those were ones Ford missed anyway.
 
One of the sneakiest values in re-draft and best ball this year.
Based on what? Ford was the 'lead' back most of last year, but that just led an average of 7 carries / game, topped out at 12 (week 1), only had double digit carries twice after week 4, and almost half of his receiving production came in those first 4 games. Chubb was only a serious threat to his volume for a few games midseason and some of those were ones Ford missed anyway.
I saw him light up my Colts at a game I was at. Then the refs gave it to the Browns on two end of the game blown calls in a row. The first one was an interception called back, then the last play where the receiver would have had to be 15 feet tall and an interference was called. Sorry, I got lost there for a bit. Back to Ford. He sure as hell looked good on that long TD.
 
People are hyping Love, but I think he would be no better than 4th or 5th in this year's draft
Not to get off subject but I'd have had Love as no worse then RB3 in this draft.

But to turn this back to Judkins if he can't settle his legal affairs to the point he sat out a season and re-entered the draft it's hard to see him getting picked remotely as high even if he actually was fully exonerated.
 
One of the sneakiest values in re-draft and best ball this year.
Based on what? Ford was the 'lead' back most of last year, but that just led an average of 7 carries / game, topped out at 12 (week 1), only had double digit carries twice after week 4, and almost half of his receiving production came in those first 4 games. Chubb was only a serious threat to his volume for a few games midseason and some of those were ones Ford missed anyway.
I saw him light up my Colts at a game I was at. Then the refs gave it to the Browns on two end of the game blown calls in a row. The first one was an interception called back, then the last play where the receiver would have had to be 15 feet tall and an interference was called. Sorry, I got lost there for a bit. Back to Ford. He sure as hell looked good on that long TD.
He's good for the occasional splash play, which at the right value can play in best ball, but the key word is 'occasional' so since he's not getting volume every week no matter what's around him I need help understanding how that's EV+ in standard on what likely won't be a good offense.
 
One of the sneakiest values in re-draft and best ball this year.
Based on what? Ford was the 'lead' back most of last year, but that just led an average of 7 carries / game, topped out at 12 (week 1), only had double digit carries twice after week 4, and almost half of his receiving production came in those first 4 games. Chubb was only a serious threat to his volume for a few games midseason and some of those were ones Ford missed anyway.
I saw him light up my Colts at a game I was at. Then the refs gave it to the Browns on two end of the game blown calls in a row. The first one was an interception called back, then the last play where the receiver would have had to be 15 feet tall and an interference was called. Sorry, I got lost there for a bit. Back to Ford. He sure as hell looked good on that long TD.
He's good for the occasional splash play, which at the right value can play in best ball, but the key word is 'occasional' so since he's not getting volume every week no matter what's around him I need help understanding how that's EV+ in standard on what likely won't be a good offense.
I think he’s going to be their early down banger, and his ADP is basically “free” so..

I liked him even before the DV shenanigans.
 
I wanted to add that if you are invested in Judkins you should welcome the news the Browns are not in a hurry to sign him until this is settled. It's actually really good news and I'll explain.

The baseline suspension for what he is accused of doing is 6 games so let's go with that for now, should be withing a game or so. In the grand scheme of dynasty value pretty insignificant to me and probably most of you.

But the real hurt for dynasty owners is the exempt list. That along with the suspension is why Watson was out 28 games and Antonio Brown 24 games even though they only got 11 and 8 game suspensions respectively. Considering the timeframe when this happened if this went all the way to trial while he sits on the exempt list he could be looking at a similar situation where he's out the entire year and then starts serving his suspension next season, so now talking 23 games or so. That's god awful to say nothing of the fact it would erode the draft capital commitment to him in the sense they'd move on at that point, plans to feature him out the window. ETA-neither AB or Watson were actually put on the exempt list but in my line of thinking is it's the same thing. Goodell threatened to put AB on it if someone signed him and I think the Texans had a wink/wink agreement with the league.

So if the Browns did sign him and he got put on the exempt list he'd be getting paid and might lose a lot of motivation to try and settle quickly. By not signing him it now creates extreme urgency for him to settle this quickly and get along with the suspension. Which again it by itself means very little to me in the grand scheme.

Long story short best outcome for dynasty people right now is the can avoid the exempt list and get along with serving his suspension ASAP.*

*Assuming he's not go some ace up his sleeve to prove his innocence because he sure is giving off "he did it" vibes.
 
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his ADP is basically “free”
I think this is a common mistake managers make - he's not 'free,' he costs a roster spot that could be used on something potentially more valuable.
I’m thinking for redraft, and I look at picks in his range as “gambles who I don’t mind dropping”.

It’s not a mistake at all - it’s a calculated risk.
Calculated risks come with plausible upside that Ford does not have.
 
his ADP is basically “free”
I think this is a common mistake managers make - he's not 'free,' he costs a roster spot that could be used on something potentially more valuable.
I’m thinking for redraft, and I look at picks in his range as “gambles who I don’t mind dropping”.

It’s not a mistake at all - it’s a calculated risk.
Calculated risks come with plausible upside that Ford does not have.
I think that’s debatable. If he becomes the early down banger and gets short yardage carries, he’s going to be plenty valuable. And again, for where you get him, that’s definitely upside.
 
his ADP is basically “free”
I think this is a common mistake managers make - he's not 'free,' he costs a roster spot that could be used on something potentially more valuable.
I’m thinking for redraft, and I look at picks in his range as “gambles who I don’t mind dropping”.

It’s not a mistake at all - it’s a calculated risk.
Calculated risks come with plausible upside that Ford does not have.
The rookies need to prove they are better than Ford. For now I expect Ford to be the starter. Coaches trust him and the QB trusts him. Judkins isn't signed and now his this major issue.

People loving Sampson and while he might have this upside - nothing is proven yet. As the season goes on and the new players get up to speed then lets see what happens.
 
his ADP is basically “free”
I think this is a common mistake managers make - he's not 'free,' he costs a roster spot that could be used on something potentially more valuable.
I’m thinking for redraft, and I look at picks in his range as “gambles who I don’t mind dropping”.

It’s not a mistake at all - it’s a calculated risk.
Calculated risks come with plausible upside that Ford does not have.
The rookies need to prove they are better than Ford. For now I expect Ford to be the starter. Coaches trust him and the QB trusts him. Judkins isn't signed and now his this major issue.

People loving Sampson and while he might have this upside - nothing is proven yet. As the season goes on and the new players get up to speed then lets see what happens.
No one could have said it better.
 
The rookies need to prove they are better than Ford. For now I expect Ford to be the starter. Coaches trust him and the QB trusts him. Judkins isn't signed and now his this major issue.

People loving Sampson and while he might have this upside - nothing is proven yet. As the season goes on and the new players get up to speed then lets see what happens.
Based on what? He ceded half his touches in 2023 to Kareem Hunt's 3.0 ypc and Pierre Strong's minimum salary. His 2024 workload was cut in half from what it was the year before despite the rest of the room entailing veteran minimum D'onta Foreman and Nick Chubb on one leg. He was then the 3rd piece in the room addressed this offseason. His $0 guaranteed contract became a potential cut after the team invested a #2 and a #4 into the room. The team didn't commit to him until he took a big pay cut. His new salary is the same as Travis Homer.

The data is not there to support the narrative you all are pushing. Maybe if this were a potentially strong offense, which is an argument I'd LOVE to see made, but no one in their right mind would do such a thing.
 
The rookies need to prove they are better than Ford. For now I expect Ford to be the starter. Coaches trust him and the QB trusts him. Judkins isn't signed and now his this major issue.

People loving Sampson and while he might have this upside - nothing is proven yet. As the season goes on and the new players get up to speed then lets see what happens.
Based on what? He ceded half his touches in 2023 to Kareem Hunt's 3.0 ypc and Pierre Strong's minimum salary. His 2024 workload was cut in half from what it was the year before despite the rest of the room entailing veteran minimum D'onta Foreman and Nick Chubb on one leg. He was then the 3rd piece in the room addressed this offseason. His $0 guaranteed contract became a potential cut after the team invested a #2 and a #4 into the room. The team didn't commit to him until he took a big pay cut. His new salary is the same as Travis Homer.

The data is not there to support the narrative you all are pushing. Maybe if this were a potentially strong offense, which is an argument I'd LOVE to see made, but no one in their right mind would do such a thing.
Only the Browns would limit a guys touches when he averaged 5.4 yards a carry (2024). He also had a solid 2023 with over 800 yards and a 4.0 YPC. A full yard higher than Hunt's 3.0.

Maybe the Browns just make a lot of bad decisions as an organization. He has been their most effective RB since Chubbs injury and they choose to limit his touches. Not Fords fault.
 
Ford? Pfft. Worried about a guy they made take a pay cut down to $1.7m over a guy picked 36th in a loaded RB class?

I like his chances to stay ahead of Sampson on the depth chart this year since the offense that Sampson came from in college may not be the best for preparing him for the NFL but if Ford was someone anyone valued the Browns would not have requested he take that pay cut and Ford would not have accepted it.
 
Ford? Pfft. Worried about a guy they made take a pay cut down to $1.7m over a guy picked 36th in a loaded RB class?

I like his chances to stay ahead of Sampson on the depth chart this year since the offense that Sampson came from in college may not be the best for preparing him for the NFL but if Ford was someone anyone valued the Browns would not have requested he take that pay cut and Ford would not have accepted it.
Yes, that cannot be ignored
 
The rookies need to prove they are better than Ford. For now I expect Ford to be the starter. Coaches trust him and the QB trusts him. Judkins isn't signed and now his this major issue.

People loving Sampson and while he might have this upside - nothing is proven yet. As the season goes on and the new players get up to speed then lets see what happens.
Based on what? He ceded half his touches in 2023 to Kareem Hunt's 3.0 ypc and Pierre Strong's minimum salary. His 2024 workload was cut in half from what it was the year before despite the rest of the room entailing veteran minimum D'onta Foreman and Nick Chubb on one leg. He was then the 3rd piece in the room addressed this offseason. His $0 guaranteed contract became a potential cut after the team invested a #2 and a #4 into the room. The team didn't commit to him until he took a big pay cut. His new salary is the same as Travis Homer.

The data is not there to support the narrative you all are pushing. Maybe if this were a potentially strong offense, which is an argument I'd LOVE to see made, but no one in their right mind would do such a thing.
Only the Browns would limit a guys touches when he averaged 5.4 yards a carry (2024). He also had a solid 2023 with over 800 yards and a 4.0 YPC. A full yard higher than Hunt's 3.0.

Maybe the Browns just make a lot of bad decisions as an organization. He has been their most effective RB since Chubbs injury and they choose to limit his touches. Not Fords fault.
...and how exactly will that lead to more work in 2025? You're helping make my point.

Again, he's a splash play maker. That's not a bad thing, it's reality, and due to his role it's a problem in our game. Just look at the data. When he hits a home run, he has solid or better games. It happened twice last season and three times in 2023. When he doesn't, he becomes an EV- play. Pull out his games with the splash plays and you have the following:

173-586 / 41-232 (4 TD's) in 15 games (10 ppg)
86-389 / 30-166 (1 TD) in 12 games (8 ppg)

That spits out to about RB45, give or take, and even if we omit 2024 since this season they're going back to the scheme that was successful in years before that's still not even a viable flex play. Don't get me wrong, he's not a bad RB, he's just no better than fiiiiine (see link below) and the team has repeatedly demonstrated a propensity to limit his workload, no matter who is healthy around him. Y'all do you, doesn't matter to me if you waste a roster spot on him, and if I am wrong then I am going to be an unexpectedly happy Browns fan. You're wishcasting though.

 
Yep. I'm with Mac32. Ford is JAG. He's not special in any way. We've seen him play every game.
And this matters how? You don't have to watch every game to determine FF value.

The guy has had two solid seasons on a bad offense. Not saying he is Saquan, but currently he is the best RB on the Browns until the Judkins situation is resolved or Sampson proves he is better. This gives him value.
 
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I have Ford in that Chubba tier of talent. Can perform well for maybe a season or two, but we all know it won't last very long. Slightly above JAG.
 
Bigger suspension upcoming, Rice or Judkins?
Judkins.
I think your right or it will be equal which is wild. Rice had 8 felonies on his head and could of killed multiple people while not even showing remorse as he walked away from that scebe like a coward... its a 1% chance that everything worked out for him the way it did.

Judkins is accused without evidence (at the moment) that would hold up in the court of law and on top of it is a misdemeanor; but people predicting he's going to miss a yr and half.

Just insane
 

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