FarFromHome
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Solid post.
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RB Zach Charbonnet, SEA (14 Viewers)
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The Finist
Footballguy
I'm not going to go re-read both threads because you got emotional and told me to. That's not how I operate.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
There was a handful of us who claimed Walker is a better RB than Charbs. There were some who claimed Charbs would produce better than Walker....before he ever took a snap.
To answer Hot Sauce Guys question about when Walker comes back, is he an automatic RB1, the answer is obviously yes. With a very tough schedule.
Weeks 1-10, before his injury, Walker was RB8 overall. Charbs was 57th.
I'll say the same thing I said before last weeks game. I have more confidence in Charbonnet with Walker out then I do starting Walker while Charbonnet is eating into his role. I got the duo together on 2 teams that matter anymore, and I'll say I've been pulling for Walker to be out all week....and I think he's the superior talent, just like the distribution of labor more when one is out.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Absolutely no one claimed Charbonnet would produce better than Walker. It’s a boogeyman that a couple people created and then argued against all year, which is why this thread is such a train wreck.
Heisenberg23
Footballguy
not great but some of us have no choice with Bye Week Apocalype Part Deux - he will have the volume so ok at flex.
Hartliner
Footballguy
He's in over Jaylen Warren, Jerome Ford in (.5ppr). All 3 seem to be fringe RB2's High Floor flex plays this week. I think Charb should be over them based on the volume argument if KW sits.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
My only additional point here is that Warren gets to go against a cardinals team that was just gashed and is known to be weak against RBs.
That plus the additional factor that Thursday games can always be a bit clunky, especially after a holiday… and I’d lean to start Warren over Charbs.
Having said that I’m individually starting them both in two different leagues.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Hmmm. I wasn’t considering him but with walker out I have to choose between him, Singletary (Pierce back). Warren (splitting with Harris) or Brian Robinson who’s also splitting time. It’s a conundrum. Moreover, I have to consider Metcalf. Two Seahawks against that Dallas buzzsaw is not ideal…
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I will just say that people who think this discussion was a binary one that one of these RB being clearly better than the other in all phases was not the only point of view that was presented.
It was only a handful of people here who saw this as an all or nothing scenario. Just as many people if not more saw it as a mixture where one RB may be better than the other at some things and vice-versa, which might lead to some form of time share even though the Head Coaches history showed a tendency to lean more heavily on one RB than to have a RBBC.
I for one didn't have a strong opinion about this either way. I just pointed out that Carrol has shown a preference for RB who are tough and are good at gaining yards after contact. That Carrol has chosen lesser athletes like Rawls and Carson over higher draft picks with more athletic abilities like Christine Michael and Rashaad Penny before.
That was not to say that this would happen again in this scenario but just to point out that it has happened before, and to perhaps not be so dismissive of Carrols previous preference for RB that some might view (including me to an extent) as just a guy compared to others. I certainly didn't think Rawls or Carson seemed great. It doesn't matter what I think though. I can smell what Carroll has cooking.
It was only a handful of people here who saw this as an all or nothing scenario. Just as many people if not more saw it as a mixture where one RB may be better than the other at some things and vice-versa, which might lead to some form of time share even though the Head Coaches history showed a tendency to lean more heavily on one RB than to have a RBBC.
I for one didn't have a strong opinion about this either way. I just pointed out that Carrol has shown a preference for RB who are tough and are good at gaining yards after contact. That Carrol has chosen lesser athletes like Rawls and Carson over higher draft picks with more athletic abilities like Christine Michael and Rashaad Penny before.
That was not to say that this would happen again in this scenario but just to point out that it has happened before, and to perhaps not be so dismissive of Carrols previous preference for RB that some might view (including me to an extent) as just a guy compared to others. I certainly didn't think Rawls or Carson seemed great. It doesn't matter what I think though. I can smell what Carroll has cooking.
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Dickies
Footballguy
I drafted Charbonnet, but did so with absolutely zero expectations beyond being Walker's handcuff. The little I've seen of him this year I've thought he looks pretty good, but he's also about to face some tough defenses.
boilerdave
Footballguy
I’m starting him. I probably wouldn’t if DJ Moore wasn’t on bye. Not expecting a big game but maybe he gets a TD.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
I’ve gotta choose 2 of these players for RB2 and a flex. Charbs, Singletary, Brian Robinson and Warren. And either Metcalf or one of the aforementioned backs. I’m leaning Charbs bec he’s going to get almost every snap where the other guys are in timeshares although Singletary most likely will be my flex. Hate that two of these choices are tonight. I personally think in half PPR Charbs has a safe floor. He might get 15-20 touches.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Any idea what the rational is? I’m assuming volume.
Loris
Footballguy
I'm guessing volume. Most are playing him because of a bye week for other options. Did a quick Vegas bet search and his over/under for rushing is 53 yds and receiving is 20 yds and o/u 3.5 receptions. Take that for what it is.
(HULK)
(Smash)
I am because it's dynasty and I just sold off CMC at the trade deadline and needed to plug the hole.
Enzo....the Baker
Footballguy
Nothing yet....didn't seem like a lower body injury. Maybe a shoulder. Didn't see anything ankle or knee on the tackle
(HULK)
(Smash)
Seahawks RB Zach Charbonnet doesn’t return in Week 13 vs. Cowboys
The Seattle Seahawks are taking on the Dallas Cowboys in Week 13 of the NFL season. The game is coming down to the wire, but on Seattle’s last drive,
dknetwork.draftkings.com
Knee injury with no other details. Doubtful to return. That's not good IMO.
Sunday Gravy
Footballguy
He isn't very good. Zero explosion. He's physical so he's a great complement to Walker but I don't see him as a starting rb.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Bummer.Seahawks RB Zach Charbonnet doesn’t return in Week 13 vs. Cowboys
The Seattle Seahawks are taking on the Dallas Cowboys in Week 13 of the NFL season. The game is coming down to the wire, but on Seattle’s last drive,
Knee injury with no other details. Doubtful to return. That's not good IMO.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He looked plenty good. This is just silly at this point. Cmon. ~100 APY against a very tough Dallas D at Dallas is good.
Is this a schtick?
(HULK)
(Smash)
Anne Hathaway isn't pretty. Her lips are 1 millimeter too wide and her knees are sharp. She'd be a great one night stand but I don't see her as marriage material.
Zow
Footballguy
Late to the party here but I started him in the three of my leagues where he’s rostered.
1. Went with him over Najee in a standard scoring league in an even matchup (dynasty).
2. Over Achane (injury makes me nervous) and Hubbard in a PPR league where I’m a slight favorite.
3. With Taylor and Jones hurt he’s my only real option in another standard league where I’m an underdog (keeper league).
I was high on him when he was drafted to Seattle because Carroll has a history of bell cow backs who are hard runners. While I don’t think Charbonnet is the next Lynch and he lacks that second gear in the open field, I’ve been overall pleased with what I’ve seen. He runs hard, seems to have decent vision, and he receives the ball very well. So, in contrast to Walker who is more of a burner, Charbonnet seems like a good nfl rb at all aspects of the position and, if give the opportunity, would excel as an every down back in a run heavy system.
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smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I knew I could come in here after that game for some unbiased viewpoints about him.
On the drive he scored the TD my opinion was he didn't have space or not taking advantage of his opportunities. The few drives after that it seemed he was regularly getting 3 and 4 yards a carry. I didn't watch the second half so no idea, but seems Seattle exploited this Dallas D like no one else has this year.
On the drive he scored the TD my opinion was he didn't have space or not taking advantage of his opportunities. The few drives after that it seemed he was regularly getting 3 and 4 yards a carry. I didn't watch the second half so no idea, but seems Seattle exploited this Dallas D like no one else has this year.
Zow
Footballguy
Dallas's defense was definitely exposed a bit through the air (Bland, but for a really nice pick, had a bad game) and Settle WRs looked open every play. FWIW, Geno (who otherwise played very well) missed like 3 wide open passes, Lockett had an uncharacteristic drop, and JSN had a long TD called back on a very close call. So, frankly, Dallas's pass defense stats could have been significantly worse than the already bad night Dallas had.
But, I thought the Dallas run defense still played solidly all night (Charbonnet really maybe only had a handful of good running lanes all game) and the line got some pressure on Geno so it wasn't like some total exploitation. Dallas still handled the run well and got pressures.
Zow
Footballguy
Here's what rotowire has on his injury:
(Rotowire) Charbonnet suffered a knee bruise in Thursday's game against Dallas, John Boyle of the Seahawks' official site reports. Analysis: Charbonnet exited Thursday's game in the fourth quarter, though it appears that he avoided any significant injury. With nine days to recover until Seattle's next contest, he may be available for a matchup against the 49ers.
(Rotowire) Charbonnet suffered a knee bruise in Thursday's game against Dallas, John Boyle of the Seahawks' official site reports. Analysis: Charbonnet exited Thursday's game in the fourth quarter, though it appears that he avoided any significant injury. With nine days to recover until Seattle's next contest, he may be available for a matchup against the 49ers.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
I thought he looked like a solid NFL RB against a tough defense. Hope his injury is nothing. I think when both healthy they are a good combo with Walker as the primary runner. Imo
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Wow I somehow got up the nerve to stick him into a couple of my semifinal FPC lineups. I'll take it.
Partied with her one night in Vegas, she's cute without trying, nice and not the least bit stuck up, but I can't say she really blew me or anyway away just on pure looks but I'd add she was not really trying to either.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Looked her up just now and I'd say maybe 40 millimeters too wide. Looks like she has a Glasgow smile.
(HULK)
(Smash)
My only interaction w/ her was at a gala event and she was done up and I found her stunning. Understand that she might not be everyone's cup of tea.
joey
Footballguy
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
FarFromHome
Footballguy
And those who took the over on creepy Anne Hathaway stalker comments in the Charb thread win money .
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Yeah that's one I didn't foresee.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Now that would have been a SharkPool story!
grateful zed
Footballguy
Dinkle Heimer
Footballguy
Pretty decent wiggle for a plodder.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Ya, I don't think he is a plodder at all. When the conversation between the two happens my response is to watch that nice screen play from Walker. Charbs can't do that. Two good rbs. One is a strong, consistent legit RB. One has the dynamic ability to be elite. All my opinion and I reserve the right to change that opinion when I want.
