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Watched the interview last night and the first thing my wife said "Wow..her lawyer is a slimy snake?"
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Stormy Daniels scandal thread (1 Viewer)
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Ditkaless Wonders
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Zow
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lakerstan
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At least he has experience with putting Billionaires on the stand..
https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/dallas-cowboys-jerry-jones-testifies-super-bowl-lawsuit-031015
“Jones was the highlight of the trial so far, looking directly at the jury and smiling during his answers as he took the stand just a few hours before the NFL’s free agency period opened. But questioning got contentious at times and U.S. District Judge Barbara Lynn had to interrupt frequently while Jones and plaintiffs’ attorney Michael Avenatti talked over each other.
Avenatti pressed hard on whether Jones had a stated desire to break the Super Bowl attendance record of 103,985, set in 1980 at the Rose Bowl. The attendance for the 2011 game was 103,219.
"Just answer my question," Avenatti said at one point as he asked Jones whether he had shared his desire to break the record.
"You will not accept my answer," Jones replied, and then referred to the fact that the stadium was designed to hold 111,000 people, though not all of them would be seated. "The record was automatically broken when we built the stadium."
Avenatti shot back: "But people still had to have seats."
Later, during a quiet moment, Jones turned to the judge and asked: "Is this fair?"
Avenatti asked whether it was fair that people ended up without seats, and Jones said, "No. No. I regret that. I regret that."”
roadkill1292
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We need some more "leg-spreading whores" talk from the resident Trump-thumpers today.
Didn't find Stortmy Daniels story particularly credible...... but it makes perfect sense with the nda, the $130,000 payment and the 20 million dollar lawsuit in which case it's stupid not to believe her. McDougal's story was very credible however.
squistion
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I did. The fact that she went out of her way to emphasize that she did not consider herself a victim, that in retrospect it was bad judgment on her part to go to his hotel room alone carried a lot of weight to making her story believable to me.
Carter, Reagan, GHW Bush, GW Bush, Obama. Recent Presidents (To our knowledge) who didn't have affairs while married. I post this as a person I know is saying to leave Trump alone....he never claimed he to be Jesus. I'm quite sure none of these Presidents would claim that being faithful to your wife never made them a saint.
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Amused to Death
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My answer to people who say leave him alone, I say I'm more concerned about the possible campaign finance violations. Respect the rule of law and such.
Banger
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Ditka Butkus
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https://www.forbes.com/2006/02/11/economics-prostitution-marriage_cx_mn_money06_0214prostitution.html#494ae8aa134f
The Economics Of Prostitution
Still, the economic analysis of marriage explains one age-old phenomenon: gold digging.
"In particular, does our analysis justify the popular belief that more beautiful, charming and talented women tend to marry wealthier and more successful men?" wrote Becker. His answer: "A positive sorting of nonmarket traits with nonhuman wealth always, and with earnings power, usually, maximizes commodity output over all marriages."
In other words, yes, supermodels do prefer aging billionaires. And Gary Becker proved it mathematically decades before The Donald married Melania.
My thoughts as well. The affair is an issue for the Trump family to deal with. The legal issue with the Campaign finance donations is why the Stormy Daniels is important to all of us.
SaintsInDome2006
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I think Reid is referring to David Schwarz who appeared on CNN. That was odd, because he's not an attorney in the case, he seems more like a friend acting as a proxy talking head who happens to be an attorney.
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Sheriff Bart
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squistion
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No, I am pretty sure she is referring to Cohen, who Avenatti has out maneuvered throughout the course of this litigation with the latest misstep being the written response to the Stormy Daniels 60 Minutes interview.
SaintsInDome2006
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Ditkaless Wonders
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Given his apparent un-likability that some folks reference (I don't see it as much) perhaps its more like the Bad Boy Detroit Pistons against the Washington Generals.
Joy Reid @JoyAnnReid 11h
Michale Avenatti versus Michael Cohen's attorney is kind of feeling like the
Harlem Globetrotters vs the Washington Generals...
SaintsInDome2006
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Ok the man hunts whales.
Trump knows Avenatti well.
Sued Mark Burnett, went to trial, and settled. Repped the client that accused Burnett of stealing The Apprentice.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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Gotta admit the MSNBC/Avenatti interview is an entertaining 12 minutes of TV. As far as I can tell the only point of Avenatti's grand TV tour is to rub Trump and Cohen's face in it and call them stupid schmucks.
I think that by constantly calling Cohen a coward and Trump a scumbag, he's going to get one of them to say something incriminating. There must be staffers literally wrestling Trump's phone away from him numerous times per day. His urge to tweet and make up lies to defend himself must be making his head explode.
Henry Ford
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Ugh. Let them talk like that to their own families and friends like they usually do. I'm sick of it.
Henry Ford
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When Trump gets triggered, he says all sorts of stupid things that help plaintiffs. I think Avenatti has been pretty clearly trying to trigger him for some time.
The Indestructible
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-fish-
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That doesn't make it unconscionable--it makes it void since illegal activity can't be the subject of a contract.
timschochet
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So I turned on the news this morning hoping to get some analysis about North Korea and it was all Stormy Daniels.
This is what I was afraid was going to happen. I don’t care about this story. I’m sick of hearing about it.
This is what I was afraid was going to happen. I don’t care about this story. I’m sick of hearing about it.
Tom Skerritt
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People are saying that this is not a #MeToo moment, but I disagree. This is Stormy Daniels taking the power from Trump and turning it on him. And I'm good with that. Profit it off it, because lord knows Trump would be trying to make money off of it if he could.
Osaurus
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It’s way easier for people to understand Donny’s alleged indiscretion than NK implications so lowest common denominator wins again.
Sabertooth
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Sounds like a noble cause actually.Dinsy Ejotuz said:
TobiasFunke
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I walked into McDonald's hoping to get a nice lobster thermidor and some fresh asparagus and it was all hamburgers and processed chicken.
This is what I was afraid was going to happen. I don't care about hamburgers and processed chicken. I'm sick of eating it.
Koya
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I know David (and his partner, Brad Gerstman) personally. Was interviewed a few years back on a local radio program they had in NY. They also had me as their guest trying to get me and my (soon to be ex) wife to join their Temple.Stormy’s lawyer is #winning
https://twitter.com/michaelavenatti/status/978959791706996736?s=21
Can someone please ask Michael Cohen to call down to central casting again and order up a new hack to speak on his behalf? I’m bored with batting around David Schwartz. #neednewchallenge #basta
When I heard Trump was a client of theirs... on the PR / gov't affairs side, not legal representation, my view of them dimmed considerably. Still think David is a nice enough guy, and I was never fond of all their tactics (nothing illegal, but where do you think Trump got the notion that certain protesters were paid? Because he hired David and Brad's firm to hire people and protest matters in Albany and NY on behalf of Trump! But that's part of the (ugly) game for some.
Their clear support for Trump, including but also beyond mere business, was a sign that they indeed would sell themselves, whore themselves, and sell out many of the causes for which they once stood.
FYI - They are both lifelong Democrats.
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SaintsInDome2006
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I kind of agree and kind of disagree, which sounds lousy. Point being: we won't know how important the Stormy/McDougal/NDA story is until we do.
Zow
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Ugh, that tweet is very unprofessional and borderline unethical.Stormy’s lawyer is #winning
https://twitter.com/michaelavenatti/status/978959791706996736?s=21
Can someone please ask Michael Cohen to call down to central casting again and order up a new hack to speak on his behalf? I’m bored with batting around David Schwartz. #neednewchallenge #basta
SaintsInDome2006
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Avenatti has moved for discovery seeking to depose Trump and Cohen.
- I would have thought or guessed the judge would have had to have ruled to have let the case go forward first, which I thought would take a long time, but maybe not....
- I would have thought or guessed the judge would have had to have ruled to have let the case go forward first, which I thought would take a long time, but maybe not....
squistion
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By a roughly 5-to-1 margin, voters believe Trump had an affair with Stormy Daniels.
https://morningconsult.com/2018/03/28/most-voters-think-trump-had-affair-with-stormy-daniels-supporters-still-back-him/
https://morningconsult.com/2018/03/28/most-voters-think-trump-had-affair-with-stormy-daniels-supporters-still-back-him/
Ditkaless Wonders
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I'm offended by his pedestrian choice in porn stars, but more importantly in his apparent use of campaign funds to pay for his pleasure. That he had a dalliance, before holding office, I don't care.
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Banger
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fatguyinalittlecoat
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Is the allegation that he used campaign funds? I thought the allegation is that Cohen paid her, which would properly be characterized as an in-kind contribution?
Zow
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Henry Ford
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I am inclined to suggest we remove "scandal" from the thread title.
No reasonable person believes that Trump did not #### Stormy. And, for the supporters, they have already made peace with it, and since Jesus obviously forgave Trump, they have also.
There really is no scandal here. Cohen might be in a bit of jeopardy on a variety of issues, but there is nothing that will move the needle on Trump's support.
Ditkaless Wonders
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Yes, you are more precisely correct. I was short-handing it, sand as often happens when one does, sort of misrepresented the precise allegation. My bad. I know better.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
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When the existence or validity of a contract or an agreement to arbitrate is at issue, you get limited discovery relating to that question because it may be needed to decide the motion to compel arbitration. It often depends on the text of the arbitration clause itself. Most well-drafted ones make clear that even questions of arbitrability of the underlying contract are decided by the arbitrator. I'd have to look again at the Daniels agreement.
SaintsInDome2006
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I don’t think this is clear though. It’s Cohen who’s claiming (improbably) that he used his own funds. One possibility though is that Cohen was paid by Trump and then used that money, or was reimbursed on the back end, but either way campaign funds could have been used.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
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I don't think it's a distinction with much difference for this case. It is an important distinction with regard to whether Trump faces some form of criminal liability for the payoff. Whether it was an illegal campaign payment or an illegal in-kind contribution and whether or not Trump even knew about it, if the payment was made to suppress these facts for the purpose of aiding the campaign, I think the contract has to be void. And when we're talking about a 10-year-old incident that only suddenly has to be addressed in the weeks before the general election, I think that's pretty easy to infer. This isn't like someone paying John Edwards' mistress to support her child a full year before the election. It's hard to think of a purpose other than to hush her up before the election.
Obviously, if Trump knew or was arranging for repayment, he faces criminal liability for conspiring with Cohen (Edwards was indicted, remember).
The Indestructible
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Stormy's agreement says that questions of arbitrability are to be decided by the arbitrator.
I think there is case law, perhaps at least in my jurisdiction (PA), that says that that provision does not permit an arbitrator to determine whether the contract was fraudulently induced, which makes sense. I think the McDougal complaint did a much better job of claiming fraud than Stormy's complaint, though if Davidson was involved in both then I imagine similar allegations could be made in Stormy's case.
CletiusMaximus
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I'm essentially the opposite. I've got no interest whatsoever in any "analysis about North Korea" and honestly don't even know what you are referring to with that, but I'm really enjoying this porn star thing. Not enjoying it enough to watch the 60 minutes show or read more than headlines and tweets, but enjoying it nonetheless.
