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The future of the Republican Party: Wipeout? (1 Viewer)
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Because these people are driven by "belief" systems. Truth, facts, studies, and such mean nothing to them. They will come up with an anecdote to counter whatever is presented and allow them to sit in their little mistaken belief world. We can see this play out again and again across a myriad of topics.
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JohnnyU
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Sometimes you have to do what you got to do at different times for the greater good, but that doesn't mean you are against free markets.
TobiasFunke
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Ok "greater good" is a liberal argument, even a socialist one, just to be clear. And manipulating markets is not a conservative argument, ie "the right".
JohnnyU
Footballguy
LOL, but if it works to create a more fair trade agreement, then you gotta do what you gotta do.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
I think it will be decades before Trump supporters "believe" in polls again. "Look how wrong they were on Election Night! That's why I don't believe them now when they say Trump's approval is only 41%! How can it be that low with this great economy!"
SaintsInDome2006
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JohnnyU
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roadkill1292
Footballguy
I don't know what this means in relation to Trump supporters not believing in poll results.Everyone believes Chuck Todd and Rachel Maddow
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Virtually every election poll was within the margin of error. So even if you are naive enough to think that the polls about The Wall are similarly "wrong", it still would mean that the majority of Americans don't want to build a wall.
Why on earth would you want to deny that reality?
Why on earth would you want to deny that reality?
Johnnymac
Footballguy
johnadams
Footballguy
This is mostly false. The main element with mexico concerned wages for automobile workers. The big winners, as usual, are big business. Specifically, Pharma gets a big win with extended times on patents. And CA/MX got a nice deal when Trump caved on unilateral tariff actions. So, more expensive cars, more money to pharma companies and less negotiation leverage. But hey, we got a bit more access to CA dairy markets.
E Street Brat
Footballguy
I suspect I'm in the range of person your looking for.
NPA. Never voted for a dem POTUS. Never Trumper who voted for the pot head.
I reject your premise that the republican party has moved to a "Nationalist Party"
E Street Brat
Footballguy
JohnnyU
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
More revisionist hillary defending. Your statement was false. It was junk. I am sure you had to even google what i was talking about. The fact that you keep saying "staffer" like it was some low level intern is freaking dumb.
I dont care if somebody thinks it was no big deal. Just dont make crap up in order to make it look like it was different than what it was in order to make that argument. Just be honest.
Oh wait...it's you.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
30 years of bad talking points will have you unwittingly endorsing the other party's platform...
E Street Brat
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BigSteelThrill
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The Commish
Footballguy
Are you aware of the details of the tax bill that passed just last year? If so...I have a couple questions.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
This board hated unions a few years back.Which is why we support labor unions.
I feel they have their place.
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SaintsInDome2006
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Republican Party, 1868.
Source, this appears to be from the convention, not the actual platform.
Actual platform below.
Source, this appears to be from the convention, not the actual platform.
Actual platform below.
The National Union Republican Party of the United States, assembled in National Convention, in the city of Chicago, on the 20th day of May, 1868, make the following declaration of principles:
First—We congratulate the country on the assured success of the reconstruction policy of Congress, as evinced by the adoption, in the majority of the States lately in rebellion, of constitutions securing equal civil and political rights to all, and regard it as the duty of the Government to sustain those constitutions, and to prevent the people of such States from being remitted to a state of anarchy or military rule.
Second—The guaranty by Congress of equal suffrage to all loyal men at the South was demanded by every consideration of public safety, of gratitude, and of justice, and must be maintained; while the question of suffrage in all the loyal States properly belongs to the people of those States.
Third—We denounce all forms of repudiation as a national crime; and national honor requires the payment of the public indebtedness in the utmost good faith to all creditors at home and abroad, not only according to the letter, but the spirit of the laws under which it was contracted.
Fourth—It is due to the labor of the nation, that taxation should be equalized and reduced as rapidly as the national faith will permit.
Fifth—The National Debt, contracted as it has been for the preservation of the Union for all time to come, should be extended over a fair period of redemption, and it is the duty of Congress to reduce the rate of interest thereon whenever it can be done honestly.
Sixth—That the best policy to diminish our burden of debt, is to so improve our credit that capitalists will seek to loan us money at lower rates of interest than we now pay and must continue to pay so long as repudiation, partial or total, open or covert, is threatened or suspected.
Seventh—The Government of the United States should be administered with the strictest economy; and the corruptions which have been so shamefully nursed and fostered by Andrew Johnson call loudly for radical reform.
Eighth—We profoundly deplore the untimely and tragic death of Abraham Lincoln, and regret the accession of Andrew Johnson to the Presidency, who has acted treacherously to the people who elected him and the cause he was pledged to support; has usurped high legislative and judicial functions; has refused to execute the laws; has used his high office to induce other officers to ignore and violate the laws; has employed his executive powers to render insecure the property, the peace, the liberty, and life of the citizen; has abused the pardoning power; has denounced the National Legislature as unconstitutional; has persistently and corruptly resisted, by every means in his power, every proper attempt at the reconstruction of the States lately in rebellion; has perverted the public patronage into an engine of wholesale corruption; and has been justly impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and properly pronounced guilty thereof by the vote of thirty-five senators.
Ninth—The doctrine of Great Britain and other European powers, that because a man is once a subject, he is always so, must be resisted, at every hazard, by the United States, as a relic of the feudal times, not authorized by the law of nations, and at war with our national honor and independence. Naturalized citizens are entitled to be protected in all their rights of citizenship, as though they were native-born; and no citizen of the United States, native or naturalized, must be liable to arrest and imprisonment by any foreign power, for acts done or words spoken in this country; and, if so arrested and imprisoned, it is the duty of the Government to interfere in his behalf.
Tenth—Of all who were faithful in the trials of the late war, there were none entitled to more especial honor than the brave soldiers and seamen who endured the hardships of campaign and cruise, and imperilled their lives in the service of the country. The bounties and pensions provided by law for these brave defenders of the nation, are obligations never to be forgotten. The widows and orphans of the gallant dead are the wards of the people—a sacred legacy bequeathed to the nation's protecting care.
Eleventh—Foreign immigration, which in the past, has added so much to the wealth, development of resources, and increase of power to this nation—the asylum of the oppressed of all nations—should be fostered and encouraged by a liberal and just policy.
Twelfth—This Convention declares its sympathy with all the oppressed people which are struggling for their rights.
Thirteenth—We highly commend the spirit of magnanimity and forgiveness with which men who have served in the rebellion, but now frankly and honestly co-operate with us in restoring the peace of the country, and reconstructing the Southern State Governments upon the basis of impartial justice and equal rights, are received back into the communion of the loyal people; and we favor the removal of the disqualifications and restrictions imposed upon the late rebels, in the same measure as the spirit of disloyalty will die out, and as may be consistent with the safety of the loyal people.
Fourteenth—We recognize the great principles laid down in the immortal Declaration of Independence as the true foundation of Democratic Government; and we hail with gladness every effort toward making these principles a living reality on every inch of American soil.
First—We congratulate the country on the assured success of the reconstruction policy of Congress, as evinced by the adoption, in the majority of the States lately in rebellion, of constitutions securing equal civil and political rights to all, and regard it as the duty of the Government to sustain those constitutions, and to prevent the people of such States from being remitted to a state of anarchy or military rule.
Second—The guaranty by Congress of equal suffrage to all loyal men at the South was demanded by every consideration of public safety, of gratitude, and of justice, and must be maintained; while the question of suffrage in all the loyal States properly belongs to the people of those States.
Third—We denounce all forms of repudiation as a national crime; and national honor requires the payment of the public indebtedness in the utmost good faith to all creditors at home and abroad, not only according to the letter, but the spirit of the laws under which it was contracted.
Fourth—It is due to the labor of the nation, that taxation should be equalized and reduced as rapidly as the national faith will permit.
Fifth—The National Debt, contracted as it has been for the preservation of the Union for all time to come, should be extended over a fair period of redemption, and it is the duty of Congress to reduce the rate of interest thereon whenever it can be done honestly.
Sixth—That the best policy to diminish our burden of debt, is to so improve our credit that capitalists will seek to loan us money at lower rates of interest than we now pay and must continue to pay so long as repudiation, partial or total, open or covert, is threatened or suspected.
Seventh—The Government of the United States should be administered with the strictest economy; and the corruptions which have been so shamefully nursed and fostered by Andrew Johnson call loudly for radical reform.
Eighth—We profoundly deplore the untimely and tragic death of Abraham Lincoln, and regret the accession of Andrew Johnson to the Presidency, who has acted treacherously to the people who elected him and the cause he was pledged to support; has usurped high legislative and judicial functions; has refused to execute the laws; has used his high office to induce other officers to ignore and violate the laws; has employed his executive powers to render insecure the property, the peace, the liberty, and life of the citizen; has abused the pardoning power; has denounced the National Legislature as unconstitutional; has persistently and corruptly resisted, by every means in his power, every proper attempt at the reconstruction of the States lately in rebellion; has perverted the public patronage into an engine of wholesale corruption; and has been justly impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and properly pronounced guilty thereof by the vote of thirty-five senators.
Ninth—The doctrine of Great Britain and other European powers, that because a man is once a subject, he is always so, must be resisted, at every hazard, by the United States, as a relic of the feudal times, not authorized by the law of nations, and at war with our national honor and independence. Naturalized citizens are entitled to be protected in all their rights of citizenship, as though they were native-born; and no citizen of the United States, native or naturalized, must be liable to arrest and imprisonment by any foreign power, for acts done or words spoken in this country; and, if so arrested and imprisoned, it is the duty of the Government to interfere in his behalf.
Tenth—Of all who were faithful in the trials of the late war, there were none entitled to more especial honor than the brave soldiers and seamen who endured the hardships of campaign and cruise, and imperilled their lives in the service of the country. The bounties and pensions provided by law for these brave defenders of the nation, are obligations never to be forgotten. The widows and orphans of the gallant dead are the wards of the people—a sacred legacy bequeathed to the nation's protecting care.
Eleventh—Foreign immigration, which in the past, has added so much to the wealth, development of resources, and increase of power to this nation—the asylum of the oppressed of all nations—should be fostered and encouraged by a liberal and just policy.
Twelfth—This Convention declares its sympathy with all the oppressed people which are struggling for their rights.
Thirteenth—We highly commend the spirit of magnanimity and forgiveness with which men who have served in the rebellion, but now frankly and honestly co-operate with us in restoring the peace of the country, and reconstructing the Southern State Governments upon the basis of impartial justice and equal rights, are received back into the communion of the loyal people; and we favor the removal of the disqualifications and restrictions imposed upon the late rebels, in the same measure as the spirit of disloyalty will die out, and as may be consistent with the safety of the loyal people.
Fourteenth—We recognize the great principles laid down in the immortal Declaration of Independence as the true foundation of Democratic Government; and we hail with gladness every effort toward making these principles a living reality on every inch of American soil.
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Fan of Charles McCoy
Footballguy
One word: bleak
roadkill1292
Footballguy
I wouldn't want to be the GOP trying to sell their 19th century policies to the generation of voters on its way, one that hasn't made a huge dent yet but will eventually be the biggest in the nation's history and ready to assume leadership at the exact moment the Boomers are leaving.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Might only be a one party system in 30 years. When voting we will be choosing from two candidates from the same party. Or many candidates will be running unopposed.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Always wonder how well his silent partner Pence will do once Trump is done.Fan of Charles McCoy said:
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I remember this board destroyed anyone who supported unions and organized labor years ago. Now the times they are a changing. With Dems probably taking over everything in 2020 I expect unions to rise up strong again. Go Teamsters!
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I always felt bad for the anti-union people. Most were voting against their own self interest.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
Prior to 2016, Pence would have had about as much success as Pat Robertson or Mike Huckabee. But thanks to his unholy alliance with Trump, there's a good chance that he could attract a large chunk of Trump's base along with a significant percentage of the debased Christians who support Trump.
belljr
Footballguy
I was never a huge union guy - felt some weren't actually looking out for employees. BUT that has changed over the years.
I still do have a problem with some unions and unions guys that are all "OMG, THE UNION WAS NOT NOTIFIED FOR DISCUSSION ON THIS FREE TRAINING or I CANT SCREW IN THIS LIGHTBULB BECAUSE THATS NOT MY UNION DESCRIPTION" but for the most part positive.
Dedfin
Footballguy
Add up the stupod union rules and lazy workers on ome side. Then add up all the money execs are stealing and lazy execs on the other? Which is worse? Its never, ever the unions.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Certainly there are negative elements to unions and I do think there was a time where some industry unions were guilty of abusing their power. So I did support some of the conservative measures to reign them in. However, it has swung so wildly against unions and unions (as they typically have been) have been villainized in the media and by politicians. In my opinion they are essential for keeping a balance between labor and ownership/management. I don't think it is any coincidence that when union membership was at it's peak, the middle class was also at it's peak.
[scooter]
Footballguy
Iowa's longest-serving Republican lawmaker defects to Democratic party
"With the 2020 president election looming on the horizon, I feel as a Republican that I need to be able to support the standard bearer of our party. Unfortunately, that is not something I am able to do."
Trump negotiates what he tells us all is this fantastic US MCA deal but then in nothing more than bad faith refuses to remove steel and aluminum tariffs with them to get the deal done. And worse yet before this wonderful deal is approved he tries to threaten Mexico with 25% tariffs if the don’t do more to stop the flow of drugs and migrants from coming into the US. What other countries are learning just like we already knew is Trump’s word is worthless and he is all talk and no action when it comes to getting trade deals completed. How much you want to bet the majority of his base naively think that the USMCA deal has been approved?
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I'm truly curious as to where the GOP goes post-Trump. Will they continue the path they've been since embracing Trump? And try to get more on board with the fear and hatred agenda? And disregard for the deficit? Maybe push Ivanka or Don Jr in 2024? Or will they treat it like the Steroid Era in baseball and just say 'oops' and pretend it never happened?
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/24/716796405/blasting-trumps-unacceptable-behavior-iowa-lawmaker-leaves-gop-after-40-years
Interesting. State Rep McKean says he believes the country "will soon pay a heavy price "for Trump's policies and rhetoric. "Unacceptable behavior should be called out for what it is". "If this is the new normal I want no part of it"
Interesting. State Rep McKean says he believes the country "will soon pay a heavy price "for Trump's policies and rhetoric. "Unacceptable behavior should be called out for what it is". "If this is the new normal I want no part of it"
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The Commish
Footballguy
Pretty Much Says It All
When you don't have the chops to be able to legislate you're relegated to being a "no" simpleton. This is where the party's headed....an all too familiar place unfortunately.
When you don't have the chops to be able to legislate you're relegated to being a "no" simpleton. This is where the party's headed....an all too familiar place unfortunately.
Johnnymac
Footballguy
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