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Depends how many get sick of lying and then getting beat over the head by the press answering for such things.
- I didn't miss it, I said I accepted what you said - You heard what Spicer said, you knew it was false and you love it.
Plenty of reasonable conservatives pulled the lever for Trump in the end. He never really even had the support of the majority of his party. Those are the people he is trying to cut off from facts with his bull####. Not the ones he's always had
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BTW, there was no actual "story" about the MLK bust. It was just one tweet from one reporter who thought that the bust had been removed. (The reporter deleted the tweet and apologized a few minutes later.) It would be a total non-story except for the fact that Trump and alt-right websites are using it as a propaganda tool to justify their attacks on the press.
Ehhhhhh. Anyone voting for him is by definition unreasonable IMO. And certainly not an actual conservative. Those folks voted for Johnson, McMullin, or just left that box blank.
No. I said I loved the war with the Press in the specific context of Kelly Ann Conway's battle with Chuck Todd, who is a partisan hack. I support the battle with the Press. I don't support getting facts wrong and I said I thought Spicer screwed up. It's amazing how people in here see what they want to see when the words say otherwise.
Spicer's presser is not part of the war on the press?
Spicer didn't screw up. He went out there and did exactly what he was told to do. He wasn't going rogue. He defended a bunch of easily-refuted lies and refused to take questions about them.
You're making distinctions without a difference. Most of what kelly Ann did was to support Spicer's rant. You're being played
KellyAnne Conway got the facts wrong too. Lies are not "alternative facts". They are lies. If you support lies, so be it.
What's stupid is stereotyping 62 million people with insults over and over and over, despite repeated warnings from the owner of this site that it's not allowed. Might want to do a search and pull up all your posts. It's incredible you've lasted this long.
There is still presumption of innocence whether the press is working on an investigative piece or not. The reporter should learn to use the word "alleged" to cover his own butt.
Neither is it helpful that so many here and in general are either unable to think critically to see through even the most simple rouse or even worse, willingly ignoring the most basic and straight forward facts and realities.
I don't know what to think about it to be honest. Trump clearly wants to be viewed as unpredictable. It's a style that we've never seen before. It could be hugely destabilizing or it could be highly efffective. I can't think of any historical reference point to evaluate this type of approach to International Relations.
Keep a lid on that will you, it won't fit the narrative KAC and our president are trying to portray
Well, that's your opinion. 62 million people in this country thought differently than you. So, you know, maybe you ought to back off a little bit on the "I'm right and everyone else are idiots" hubris.
But at a minimum doesn't that invalidate one of your reasons for supporting him? You said you believed that he'd keep us out of wars, now you seem to be admitting that neither you nor anyone else has any idea if that is true.
I googled it. Guess he is a dem. And his wife is some party official or something. Not sure why I've been wrong all these years about him.
That's what a normal administration might do. But this is not normal. The Trump administration will never, ever, ever admit that it made a mistake. Spicer isn't going anywhere.
To be honest I don't recall making a central point of my support for him that he'd keep us out of wars.
It is pretty clear who sees the glass as half full, and who as half empty.
This is more entertaining than election night
And Trump and Spicer brought it right to the fore - and by excluding the fact of the retraction, and the fact that the reporter did that job - they misrepresented it, ie lied about it, to create a false impression of the press.
Slapdash said what I had in mind above: KAC just buttressed Spicer, she doubled down on it, about the MLK bust especially. (On the crowd size the best she could do was 'alternative set of facts' which you and I well know is Orwellian).Uhm yeah, true, if we consider taking a flamethrower to the truth to paint the press as a villain in an invented conspiracy.
My point exactly, and yours, we join arms here. Though I'm really wondering whether the right is still 'the right' a this point.
It's contradictory to say 'I hate this thing' but 'I love this thing that it just launched and is a prominent part of.'
So, 94ish percent of the voters are "freaking fools" (yes, I count the HRC voters)...
Setting the stage by lying.
'Invented conspiracy" implies that you don't think there's an issue with Liberal bias in the media. If we can't agree on that, we probably won't agree on anything else relative to this.And Trump and Spicer brought it right to the fore - and by excluding the fact of the retraction, and the fact that the reporter did that job - they misrepresented it, ie lied about it, to create a false impression of the press.
Uhm yeah, true, if we consider taking a flamethrower to the truth to paint the press as a villain in an invented conspiracy.
My point exactly, and yours, we join arms here. Though I'm really wondering whether the right is still 'the right' a this point.
It's contradictory to say 'I hate this thing' but 'I love this thing that it just launched and is a prominent part of.'
You're compartmentalizing here.
- Look: I do think the MLK bust issue is worthwhile discussing especially as I have seen this come up in the 'fake news' claims recently:
If a reporter reports an inaccurate fact, and then retracts or corrects it, that really is ok. It's not a conspiracy against Donald Trump personally. Is it bad journalism? Sure, yes. Let's face it, twitter is apt to put pressure on journalists of all stripes to get a story or fact out in real time. The medium is affecting the content. This is a technological and cultural issue.
I think the reality here is that the Russian report, the IC investigation and the COI problem are bearing down really heavily on Team Trump and they feel the need to destroy the reps of the people reporting on these issues.
So Trump followers are told to disregard the reporters - and their reports - and thus Trump is moving forward, because this minority, a cadre really, of hard core followers will defend and protect him moving forward no matter what happens.
I don't know if it was central, but IIRC the other ones you made were that he's a hard worker and a great dad, so it stood out for its lack of hilarity.
I probably misread this wrong.
Hold on. You think Trump, Spicer and KAC are talking liberal bias in the press?
Oh please. You insulted my family and friends as brainless yesterday. Now you're upset about this? I honestly don't even know what's wrong with it. You said those things about Trump. They were funny.
