The Real Official wildcard game 2 *** Steeler Vs Bengals *** (2 Viewers)

[JoeSteeler]

Pacman "making it rain" on the sidelines after the game?

 

[dschuler]

Idk. I feel like the Brown hit wasn't as bad as people think. It did seem like an attempt at the ball in real time, but with Burficts history and anytime you make such solid contact with the head, you won't get any benefit of the doubt.

Burfict made zero attempt at the ball. Watch the angle from the sideline. He lined him up

And how the hell would you know what he was attempting for, Lombardi?

The play doesn't seem that bad to me. I might be in the minority but it's the way I feel. It doesn't help Brown weighs 100 lbs

 

[Franknbeans]

I know I'll catch crap for this but watching the hits on Bernard and Brown reinforces two things for me:

1. I'll never let my boys play football

2. I think the NFL has peaked in popularity

the hit on Wheaton in the 1st half was no walk in the park

 

[flapgreen]

Surprised to see Cowher and Esiason calling for Lewis' head.

Respect them more after hearing them say it.

They're paid to build drama with what they say. Not sure why that garners respect. Just like Nance always pulls his bs

 

[stbugs]

I watched replay over and over. Still can't see where the second personal foul was.

They showed one angle where there was some jawing and Jones came flying in from the side and bumped into the group of refs. The ref who got hit from behind threw the flag.

That's seriously all there was? Ref gets accidentally bumped and Porter gets pushed while he's on the field when he shouldn't be?

As I posted above, the Panthers lost to Atlanta because of an itchy trigger finger of a ref after the Odell game. When you get tempers flaring it, the refs throw flags. They use that to try and keep control thinking players/coaches will restrain people to not get them. It wasn't bad, but it didn't surprise me that it was called.

If you were to tell me that two Bengals got penalties costing the Bengals the game and I wasn't allowed to watch the last drive, I would have 100% correctly told you Burfict and Jones.

 

[irish eyes]

Idk. I feel like the Brown hit wasn't as bad as people think. It did seem like an attempt at the ball in real time, but with Burficts history and anytime you make such solid contact with the head, you won't get any benefit of the doubt.

Guys are going super fast and Brown came down at last second. I'm sure Burflict had no idea he hadn't caught the ball.

Please stop are you kidding.

 

[Pipes]

Crown of the helmet is not illegal people.

Here is the rule.

ARTICLE 8. INITIATING CONTACT WITH THE CROWN OF THE HELMET. It is a foul if a runner or tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players are clearly outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle to tackle and from three yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive team’s end line). Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or tackler against an opponent shall not be a foul. Note: The tackle box no longer exists once the ball leaves the tackle box.

Now...I would have to go back...but was Bernard past 3 yards of the LOS? If so, the rule would not apply.

See post 1092...it's illegal

 

[stugnut]

Paceman on Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/BAWK0zgEjmb/

Lolz. "Jerry Porter". Oh Pacman, your pain is delicious.

 

[RBM]

Jim Diapolis on ESPN saying Shazier's hit should've been penalized for leading with the crown of his helmet.

I agree with this and that is why I hated when Tomlin went for the fumble call. He just got away with killing one of their players and no flag on the crown of the helmet. 1st half they crucified the Cinci DB for just making a tackle at a guy running right at him full speed and leading with his helmet into the defender. Glad the media saw it that way.

This can't be for real, right?

It's very real. I have never been a Tomlin fan, felt he won with Cowher's team and the talent eroded on defense slowly over the years but I know some folks love the guy. He put his team in harm's way when he needed to keep things cool. He also is getting a pass for allowing his coaches on the field inciting the Bengals and especially Pacman Jones.

Stop. It's not Tomlin's fault Pacman is a ####in dummy.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Idk. I feel like the Brown hit wasn't as bad as people think. It did seem like an attempt at the ball in real time, but with Burficts history and anytime you make such solid contact with the head, you won't get any benefit of the doubt.

Guys are going super fast and Brown came down at last second. I'm sure Burflict had no idea he hadn't caught the ball.

Of course not. He likely had both eyes focused on Brown's noggin.

 

[JoeSteeler]

Wow McCarron is a crybaby

I don't feel that's fair today for someone who was just trying to play QB and win a game. If Burfict were crying then alright but AJ...look at his g/f, of course he is going to be a softie.

McCarron is also the back up QB, let's let him be.

If Dalton were out there tonight, different game IMHO.

"Every time we had the ball it rained , it didn't when they had it"

Is that an actual quote?

 

[dschuler]

I know I'll catch crap for this but watching the hits on Bernard and Brown reinforces two things for me:

1. I'll never let my boys play football

2. I think the NFL has peaked in popularity

the hit on Wheaton in the 1st half was no walk in the park

Agree with both. I think the NFL peaked last year. Would be curious to see the ratings.

 

[Prince Myshkin]

Crown of the helmet is not illegal people.

Here is the rule.

ARTICLE 8. INITIATING CONTACT WITH THE CROWN OF THE HELMET. It is a foul if a runner or tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players are clearly outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle to tackle and from three yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive team’s end line). Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or tackler against an opponent shall not be a foul. Note: The tackle box no longer exists once the ball leaves the tackle box.

Now...I would have to go back...but was Bernard past 3 yards of the LOS? If so, the rule would not apply.

Makes no difference. He was clearly outside the tackle box.

 

[Franknbeans]

I'm sending Joey Porter a belated Christmas card

 

[flapgreen]

Time for Marvin to go.

A million times this. Eight years of this ####, and he doesn't even have control of his team.I don't even know why I'm so upset, I'm not even a Bengals fan; but Jesus, I am tried of seeing games where the refs affect the outcome more than the players do.

Refs will always affect the outcomes. It's how the NFL is set up now. It's not changing.

 

[BassNBrew]

This close to becoming a soccer fan.

Games like this are why I watch. I think your instincts are right.

Except 1/2 the soccer games are decided on a refs judgement call of a trip/dive in the box and off course if it's within 5 yes inside the 18 it magically happened just outside of the 18.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Surprised to see Cowher and Esiason calling for Lewis' head.

Respect them more after hearing them say it.

They're paid to build drama with what they say. Not sure why that garners respect. Just like Nance always pulls his bs

If it was anyone other than Burfict, I may agree with you. But you have to look at the history

 

[Pipes]

DON'T compare shazier & burfict hits..One player making a tackle one taking a cheap shot. Case closed!!!!!

Noone's comparing them but the refs lost control of this game once Shazier knocked our Bernard.

 

[belljr]

Idk. I feel like the Brown hit wasn't as bad as people think. It did seem like an attempt at the ball in real time, but with Burficts history and anytime you make such solid contact with the head, you won't get any benefit of the doubt.

Burfict made zero attempt at the ball. Watch the angle from the sideline. He lined him up

And how the hell would you know what he was attempting for, Lombardi?

The play doesn't seem that bad to me. I might be in the minority but it's the way I feel. It doesn't help Brown weighs 100 lbs

When has a shoulder to the head of a wr coming across the middle not been a penalty in the last 5 years

 

[dwarfboy]

Dec 13th: Marcus Gilbert, "All I want for Christmas is the Bengals. Would love to see them in the playoffs where they choke"

He got what he wanted and called it.

Between the fumble AND boneheaded penalties that is the biggest choke job I've ever seen.

Jean Van de Velde would love it if he could move down to number two on the list.

 

[flapgreen]

Time for Marvin to go.

A million times this. Eight years of this ####, and he doesn't even have control of his team.I don't even know why I'm so upset, I'm not even a Bengals fan; but Jesus, I am tried of seeing games where the refs affect the outcome more than the players do.

NFL refs tarnish this game.

It's never ending.

 

[treat88]

Red on ESPN said he was leading with the crown of his helmet which is illegal and should have been flagged

Total BS hit, felt that way at the time. Glad others not only see it but are finding the media members to say it. Fans in here, how can you listen to a Steelersfan on that hit? Of course they are going to say Bernard was not defenseless.

If folks want to argue that was leading with the crown, that's at lest subjective and can be debated.

There's no way Bernard was defenseless tho.

So you were pointing out the one rule, not "the rules", in your earlier post? Got it...

Nope. Thought you were arguing that it was a split second play on Bernard being defenseless which he clearly wasn't.

If I am wrong with the contact with crown thing, I've already posted I will own it.

 

[sho nuff]

Crown of the helmet is not illegal people.

Here is the rule.

ARTICLE 8. INITIATING CONTACT WITH THE CROWN OF THE HELMET. It is a foul if a runner or tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players are clearly outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle to tackle and from three yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive team’s end line). Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or tackler against an opponent shall not be a foul. Note: The tackle box no longer exists once the ball leaves the tackle box.

Now...I would have to go back...but was Bernard past 3 yards of the LOS? If so, the rule would not apply.

Makes no difference. He was clearly outside the tackle box.

Made my edit and he was behind the LOS...so illegal....but it does matter...once past 3 yards of the LOS, the tackle box ends by the rule above.

 

[humpback]

Literally no one talking about Jeremy Hill's fumble

Normally I would, but the circumstances of what followed are pretty unique. Had Pitt at Cincy 45 with NO timeouts left and 18 seconds on the clock. Somehow Cincy found a way to squeeze 2 15 yard penalties in that time span to give the kicker a chipshot. That's entirely on the defense IMO.

I have no idea why Hill with his issues is icing the game but that was the end of the game. That's a Bengal win if he doesn't fumble that ball.

He fumbled 3 times during the season, and I don't think Gio was available (not that he would have been out there).

Pitt would have gotten the ball back with over a minute to go if Cincy didn't get a 1st down. It wasn't an automatic win (as we can see from that ridiculous ending).

 

[belljr]

Wow McCarron is a crybaby

I don't feel that's fair today for someone who was just trying to play QB and win a game. If Burfict were crying then alright but AJ...look at his g/f, of course he is going to be a softie.

McCarron is also the back up QB, let's let him be.

If Dalton were out there tonight, different game IMHO.

"Every time we had the ball it rained , it didn't when they had it"

Is that an actual quote?

More or less

 

[Politician Spock]

Crown of the helmet is not illegal people.

Here is the rule.

ARTICLE 8. INITIATING CONTACT WITH THE CROWN OF THE HELMET. It is a foul if a runner or tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players are clearly outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle to tackle and from three yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive team’s end line). Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or tackler against an opponent shall not be a foul. Note: The tackle box no longer exists once the ball leaves the tackle box.

Now...I would have to go back...but was Bernard past 3 yards of the LOS? If so, the rule would not apply

Edit...2 yard loss....yes, should have been called.

That means that hits with the crown of the helmet are illegal when they are beyond three yards from the line of scrimmage even when they are between the tackels. It defines the area where it is allowed as a box with two sides being the tackles and the two other sides being 3 yards from the LOS.

 

[Zow]

"Unconsciousable" huh?

Seems like proper use to me. Look at people freaking out of Burfict's hit. A couple of decades

ago that's called a great play. I remember with LBs were lauded for destroying WRs going over the middle. But no, we get proof of an increased risk of future mental problems that we've been

dealing with fine forever and that somehow changes everything.

I take it you've had a few concussions yourself.

 

[flapgreen]

This close to becoming a soccer fan.

That was an embarrassment for the league.

Huge embarrassment. Ending any game in that fashion is a complete embarrassment

 

[JamesTheScot]

Idk. I feel like the Brown hit wasn't as bad as people think. It did seem like an attempt at the ball in real time, but with Burficts history and anytime you make such solid contact with the head, you won't get any benefit of the doubt.

Guys are going super fast and Brown came down at last second. I'm sure Burflict had no idea he hadn't caught the ball.

I think if you watch the replays, Burfict's head was up when the ball went off Brown's hands. We can debate about whether he had time to slow down or pull up, but I'm certain he saw the ball go by.

 

[elitzer]

THE FIX IS IN AND ALWAYS WILL BE THAT WAY

 

[dschuler]

Idk. I feel like the Brown hit wasn't as bad as people think. It did seem like an attempt at the ball in real time, but with Burficts history and anytime you make such solid contact with the head, you won't get any benefit of the doubt.

Burfict made zero attempt at the ball. Watch the angle from the sideline. He lined him up

And how the hell would you know what he was attempting for, Lombardi?

The play doesn't seem that bad to me. I might be in the minority but it's the way I feel. It doesn't help Brown weighs 100 lbs

When has a shoulder to the head of a wr coming across the middle not been a penalty in the last 5 years

If that was Gronk or Witten out there they would have barely moved. Sure call a penalty, but it wasn't that malicious. Some of you guys act like he should be thrown in prison.

 

[AAABatteries]

As I posted above, the Panthers lost to Atlanta because of an itchy trigger finger of a ref after the Odell game.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Jim Diapolis on ESPN saying Shazier's hit should've been penalized for leading with the crown of his helmet.

I agree with this and that is why I hated when Tomlin went for the fumble call. He just got away with killing one of their players and no flag on the crown of the helmet. 1st half they crucified the Cinci DB for just making a tackle at a guy running right at him full speed and leading with his helmet into the defender. Glad the media saw it that way.

This can't be for real, right?

It's very real. I have never been a Tomlin fan, felt he won with Cowher's team and the talent eroded on defense slowly over the years but I know some folks love the guy. He put his team in harm's way when he needed to keep things cool. He also is getting a pass for allowing his coaches on the field inciting the Bengals and especially Pacman Jones.

Stop. It's not Tomlin's fault Pacman is a ####in dummy.

I think you need to see the footage. Porter is standing there in the Cinci huddle practically. Not justifying Pacman but I will send out coaches for any team at highly emotional moments and bet I can get a reaction out of the opposing team almost every time.

Plus Mike Munchak threw Reggie Nelson by his hair!!!

Stop acting like the Steelers were choir boys tonight, nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[dschuler]

THE FIX IS IN AND ALWAYS WILL BE THAT WAY

Aka, PIT vs SEA in the Super Bowl. Worst game ever.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Time for Marvin to go.

A million times this. Eight years of this ####, and he doesn't even have control of his team.I don't even know why I'm so upset, I'm not even a Bengals fan; but Jesus, I am tried of seeing games where the refs affect the outcome more than the players do.

NFL refs tarnish this game.

It's never ending.

They do have a boss. It comes from above, blame Goodell.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Idk. I feel like the Brown hit wasn't as bad as people think. It did seem like an attempt at the ball in real time, but with Burficts history and anytime you make such solid contact with the head, you won't get any benefit of the doubt.

Burfict made zero attempt at the ball. Watch the angle from the sideline. He lined him up

And how the hell would you know what he was attempting for, Lombardi?

The play doesn't seem that bad to me. I might be in the minority but it's the way I feel. It doesn't help Brown weighs 100 lbs

When has a shoulder to the head of a wr coming across the middle not been a penalty in the last 5 years

If that was Gronk or Witten out there they would have barely moved. Sure call a penalty, but it wasn't that malicious. Some of you guys act like he should be thrown in prison.

What exactly are you arguing? It was a penalty. Get over your hate.

 

[sho nuff]

Crown of the helmet is not illegal people.

Here is the rule.

ARTICLE 8. INITIATING CONTACT WITH THE CROWN OF THE HELMET. It is a foul if a runner or tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players are clearly outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle to tackle and from three yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive team’s end line). Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or tackler against an opponent shall not be a foul. Note: The tackle box no longer exists once the ball leaves the tackle box.

Now...I would have to go back...but was Bernard past 3 yards of the LOS? If so, the rule would not apply

Edit...2 yard loss....yes, should have been called.

That means that hits with the crown of the helmet are illegal when they are beyond three yards from the line of scrimmage even when they are between the tackels. It defines the area where it is allowed as a box with two sides being the tackles and the two other sides being 3 yards from the LOS.

Don't believe so.

Its saying they are illegal when both are clearly outside the tackle box...and defines that as the areas outside form 3 yards beyond the LOS, extending backwards to the offensive team's endzone.

 

[belljr]

Crown of the helmet is not illegal people.

Here is the rule.

ARTICLE 8. INITIATING CONTACT WITH THE CROWN OF THE HELMET. It is a foul if a runner or tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players are clearly outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle to tackle and from three yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive teams end line). Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or tackler against an opponent shall not be a foul. Note: The tackle box no longer exists once the ball leaves the tackle box.

Now...I would have to go back...but was Bernard past 3 yards of the LOS? If so, the rule would not apply.

Makes no difference. He was clearly outside the tackle box.

Made my edit and he was behind the LOS...so illegal....but it does matter...once past 3 yards of the LOS, the tackle box ends by the rule above.

You are misinterpreting.

The tackle box is a 3 yard imaginary box. From tackle to tackle.

Once you get out of the box it's legal. So when the ball went passed the tackle you are out of the tackle box

 

[The Jerk]

Idk. I feel like the Brown hit wasn't as bad as people think. It did seem like an attempt at the ball in real time, but with Burficts history and anytime you make such solid contact with the head, you won't get any benefit of the doubt.

Guys are going super fast and Brown came down at last second. I'm sure Burflict had no idea he hadn't caught the ball.

Please stop are you kidding.

It doesn't matter whether or not he caught the ball. Hits like that have been illegal for the last five years. I don't like it, but I understand why the NFL has made hits like those illegal. And in 2015, hits like that cost you 15 yards EVERY TIME.

 

[AAABatteries]

How much does Pacman get fined for that video?

Not a smart move.

 

[Jethro Q. Walrustitty]

THE FIX IS IN AND ALWAYS WILL BE THAT WAY

Aka, PIT vs SEA in the Super Bowl. Worst game ever.

I'd probably watch it.

 

[flapgreen]

Not a Big Ben fan, but props to him for being a tough sob.

He gets carted off every other week.

So sick of seeing Ben Limp around every week like he's dying and then people make a big deal about him coming back on every time.

 

[JoeSteeler]

Feel bad for Hill

Shazier 13 tackles and 2 FF

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I'm sending Joey Porter a belated Christmas card

I actually used to have his address.

 

[cheese]

How much does Pacman get fined for that video?

Not a smart move.

Nobody in the NFL cares about fines. Least of all Pacman

 

[timschochet]

The only way the game could have ended better is if Burfict hadn't been tackled on the interception, ran the ball into the wrong end zone and scored a safety.

 

[belljr]

Crown of the helmet is not illegal people.

Here is the rule.

ARTICLE 8. INITIATING CONTACT WITH THE CROWN OF THE HELMET. It is a foul if a runner or tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players are clearly outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle to tackle and from three yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive teams end line). Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or tackler against an opponent shall not be a foul. Note: The tackle box no longer exists once the ball leaves the tackle box.

Now...I would have to go back...but was Bernard past 3 yards of the LOS? If so, the rule would not apply

Edit...2 yard loss....yes, should have been called.

That means that hits with the crown of the helmet are illegal when they are beyond three yards from the line of scrimmage even when they are between the tackels. It defines the area where it is allowed as a box with two sides being the tackles and the two other sides being 3 yards from the LOS.

Don't believe so.

Its saying they are illegal when both are clearly outside the tackle box...and defines that as the areas outside form 3 yards beyond the LOS, extending backwards to the offensive team's endzone.

Serious? From tackle to tackle AND 3 yards.

 

[Tanner9919]

End of an era I'd bet Lewis is fired after this

Lost control of the team.most importantly STILL has not won a playoff game. Marty Schottenheimer is off the hook as the worst postseason coach. Lewis is just plain bad

Good riddance.

 

[Politician Spock]

Crown of the helmet is not illegal people.

Here is the rule.

ARTICLE 8. INITIATING CONTACT WITH THE CROWN OF THE HELMET. It is a foul if a runner or tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players are clearly outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle to tackle and from three yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive team’s end line). Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or tackler against an opponent shall not be a foul. Note: The tackle box no longer exists once the ball leaves the tackle box.

Now...I would have to go back...but was Bernard past 3 yards of the LOS? If so, the rule would not apply

Edit...2 yard loss....yes, should have been called.

That means that hits with the crown of the helmet are illegal when they are beyond three yards from the line of scrimmage even when they are between the tackels. It defines the area where it is allowed as a box with two sides being the tackles and the two other sides being 3 yards from the LOS.

Don't believe so.

Its saying they are illegal when both are clearly outside the tackle box...and defines that as the areas outside form 3 yards beyond the LOS, extending backwards to the offensive team's endzone.

Exactly! If it occurs between the tackles and 4 yards beyond the LOS, then it's illegal to lead with the crown. If it occurred between the tackles and 2 yards beyond the LOS, then it's legal.

 

[Neofight]

Love how Burfict is a thug but Shazier is Man of the year. #### all of you.

Really dude you are clueless just stop. Idioit

Learn how to spell check you buffoon. Both were completely illegal hits to the head.

Check the rules BUFFOON, shazier was a legal tackle.

Legal tackle or not (and it was borderline) bragging on the sideline about concussing another player is not exactly classy

It wasn't borderline. Bernard was not defenseless, Shazier can go helmet to helmet all day long and it's not illegal.

Yet the refs decided to flag Williams for a hit that wasn't even to the helmet. Eventually the league is going to have to outlaw all hits that are helmet to helmet, period. Otherwise the officials will just continue to be made to look foolish and inconsistent in their calls.