timdraft #4: Movie Category Draft (5 Viewers)

[BobbyLayne]

Yo Sal! Why ain't ya got no pictures of Detroiters on your wall of fame?

 

[Tremendous Upside]

4.03 Ronin, Car Chase

An underrated movie overall, the highlight of Ronin is John Frankenheimer's (a former amateur race car driver) 8 minute car chase No CGI here, this is full tilt boogie car chasin' through the streets and tunnels of Paris. The shots are tight but clean, no jittery cam work here to mess with the adrenaline rush.

The chase featured over 200 stunt drivers and numerous authentic car destructions.

I also like the fact that the driver of the lead car is a woman, which is pretty unusual in the oeuvre.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Tim, how much time have you spent in New York?

In Brooklyn especially?

 

[BobbyLayne]

1. I don't have any record of JML as taking drugs. So Tremendous Upside is the judge for drugs unless I hear different. 2. Jodie Foster was borderline age for Taxi Driver (13 or 14?) I would allow it because she looked younger, but it's up to the judge.

Looks like you are right about Foster - movie looked like it came out when she was 13. I just got the impression that she was 16+ playing a younger character for some reason.

Foster was 13 playing a 12 year old. Tim is a creep for saying that is "borderline"

Foster is 11 weeks younger than me. Not that I am obssessed or anything. She was 12 when they shot the film in 1975. She was 13 when the film released FEB 1976. She was 13 or 14 at the Oscars (which year? Not sure, on the street).

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Still shaking my head that Tim thinks Do The Right Thing isn't a NY movie and that it "could have been set anywhere"



And Manhattan could have been set in Manhattan, Kansas, right? After all, it's just a rom com

 

[Crazy Canuck]

1. I don't have any record of JML as taking drugs. So Tremendous Upside is the judge for drugs unless I hear different. 2. Jodie Foster was borderline age for Taxi Driver (13 or 14?) I would allow it because she looked younger, but it's up to the judge.

Looks like you are right about Foster - movie looked like it came out when she was 13. I just got the impression that she was 16+ playing a younger character for some reason.

Foster was 13 playing a 12 year old. Tim is a creep for saying that is "borderline"

Foster is 11 weeks younger than me. Not that I am obssessed or anything. She was 12 when they shot the film in 1975. She was 13 when the film released FEB 1976. She was 13 or 14 at the Oscars (which year? Not sure, on the street).

Well now we all know BobbyLayne's slave name.

How's the state's accommodations treating you, Mr. Hinckley?

 

[AcerFC]

I want to clarify that I think Do the Right Thing is a GREAT movie, one of the best of the last 30 years, and a great pick. My issue is with TU's criteria, which I think is too limiting. TU wants to penalize movies that, though they take place in New York, would be roughly the same if they took place somewhere else. Do The Right Thing, IMO, falls into that description.

i think this is an example of not knowing bc you either haven't spent much time there or have never been there. I don't want to spotlight but a surf movie in California can't take place on Coney Island just bc there is a beach. Maybe elements of DTRT could have happened elsewhere, but Spike captures the zeitgeist of Brooklyn during that time period. There is no way this could have taken place anywhere else. If it could have, it probably would have. And it didn't.

 

[timschochet]

I want to clarify that I think Do the Right Thing is a GREAT movie, one of the best of the last 30 years, and a great pick. My issue is with TU's criteria, which I think is too limiting. TU wants to penalize movies that, though they take place in New York, would be roughly the same if they took place somewhere else. Do The Right Thing, IMO, falls into that description.

i think this is an example of not knowing bc you either haven't spent much time there or have never been there.I don't want to spotlight but a surf movie in California can't take place on Coney Island just bc there is a beach. Maybe elements of DTRT could have happened elsewhere, but Spike captures the zeitgeist of Brooklyn during that time period. There is no way this could have taken place anywhere else. If it could have, it probably would have. And it didn't.

But it DID happen. In Los Angeles. In 1992. I was there.

OK, I see I'm outvoted here. Oh well.

 

[timschochet]

You ####ers with your east coast bias. You think that unless it happens back there, it didn't happen. That's why I have to put up with this crap that Bryce Harper is the equal of Mike Trout. What total bull####.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Tim, how much time have you spent in New York? In Brooklyn especially?

 

[BobbyLayne]

You ####ers with your east coast bias. You think that unless it happens back there, it didn't happen. That's why I have to put up with this crap that Bryce Harper is the equal of Mike Trout. What total bull####.

You one of them guys that think Trout had a better year than the Triple Crown winner?

 

[timschochet]

You ####ers with your east coast bias. You think that unless it happens back there, it didn't happen. That's why I have to put up with this crap that Bryce Harper is the equal of Mike Trout. What total bull####.

You one of them guys that think Trout had a better year than the Triple Crown winner?

I don't think it. I know it.

I had dinner in Brooklyn once. That's about it. I've been to Manhattan twice in my life.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

No one is saying there weren't racial tensions in LA

DTRT is a quintessential New York story, with iconic NY imagery

Just because it doesn;t take place at the top of the Empire Statue of Liberty doesn't mean it could take place anywhere

From the brownstones to the pizza place to fashion (Spike's wearing a BROOKLYN Dodgers jersey), it is thoroughly NY

The fact that it speaks to universal themes doesn't make it less of a NY story, it makes it more of a great movie

 

[timschochet]

No one is saying there weren't racial tensions in LA

DTRT is a quintessential New York story, with iconic NY imagery

Just because it doesn;t take place at the top of the Empire Statue of Liberty doesn't mean it could take place anywhere

From the brownstones to the pizza place to fashion (Spike's wearing a BROOKLYN Dodgers jersey), it is thoroughly NY

The fact that it speaks to universal themes doesn't make it less of a NY story, it makes it more of a great movie

No disagreement with anything you wrote here.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

So I wrote up a whole big thing and then my router crashed and I lost it. In order to but hold anything up,Do The Right Thing: NY Movie

Great movie, BUT- Per your own criteria, this isn't such a good choice. Because the plot and theme of this film would work exactly the same in any large Northern urban area in which there is a sizeable African-American population. It would work in Boston, Detroit, Cleveland, etc. You could have the exact same story and pretty much the exact same movie.

That movie is so NYC.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

You ####ers with your east coast bias. You think that unless it happens back there, it didn't happen. That's why I have to put up with this crap that Bryce Harper is the equal of Mike Trout. What total bull####.

You one of them guys that think Trout had a better year than the Triple Crown winner?

I don't think it. I know it.

I had dinner in Brooklyn once. That's about it. I've been to Manhattan twice in my life.

And I've spent about 30 mins in LA, driving from LAX to Union Station

That's why I would never presume to judge an LA FIlm category

And my criteria was meant to have people not just pick a movie that took place in NY or look at an internet list of "movies set in NY"

Taxi Driver is a NY movie, although they have cabs elsewhere

If/when it gets picked I'll give you a reverse example

 

[Nick Vermeil]

So I wrote up a whole big thing and then my router crashed and I lost it. In order to but hold anything up,Do The Right Thing: NY Movie

Great movie, BUT- Per your own criteria, this isn't such a good choice. Because the plot and theme of this film would work exactly the same in any large Northern urban area in which there is a sizeable African-American population. It would work in Boston, Detroit, Cleveland, etc. You could have the exact same story and pretty much the exact same movie.

That movie is so NYC.

It's the second best example in the category.

 

[tish155]

No one is saying there weren't racial tensions in LA

DTRT is a quintessential New York story, with iconic NY imagery

Just because it doesn;t take place at the top of the Empire Statue of Liberty doesn't mean it could take place anywhere

From the brownstones to the pizza place to fashion (Spike's wearing a BROOKLYN Dodgers jersey), it is thoroughly NY

The fact that it speaks to universal themes doesn't make it less of a NY story, it makes it more of a great movie

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Can I pick 2?

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

I want to clarify that I think Do the Right Thing is a GREAT movie, one of the best of the last 30 years, and a great pick. My issue is with TU's criteria, which I think is too limiting. TU wants to penalize movies that, though they take place in New York, would be roughly the same if they took place somewhere else. Do The Right Thing, IMO, falls into that description.

i think this is an example of not knowing bc you either haven't spent much time there or have never been there.I don't want to spotlight but a surf movie in California can't take place on Coney Island just bc there is a beach. Maybe elements of DTRT could have happened elsewhere, but Spike captures the zeitgeist of Brooklyn during that time period. There is no way this could have taken place anywhere else. If it could have, it probably would have. And it didn't.

But it DID happen. In Los Angeles. In 1992. I was there.

OK, I see I'm outvoted here. Oh well.

Were you one of those ####ers on the news beating up on the truck driver?

 

[wildbill]

You ####ers with your east coast bias. You think that unless it happens back there, it didn't happen. That's why I have to put up with this crap that Bryce Harper is the equal of Mike Trout. What total bull####.

Who was it gave these guys their own category?

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Here is the link for the Poker game from The Sting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae6Lz_3jlo0

"What was I supposed to do? Call him for cheating better than me in front of the others?!"

Love this scene.

That's right. Rub it in.

 

[Usual21]

1.25 -


, Best FightThis fight has it all. A great protagonist, a ******* of antagonist, high drama, great fight choreography, and a script filled with memorable lines. Your best friend was just killed by a guy who represents everything you hate. And even then at the end, he tries to settle the cold war? Priceless.

2.01 - Jake Brigance's Speech in A Time to Kill, Courtroom Scene

Still gives me chills.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

Since I last picked my list has been decimated.

 

[jwb]

Criteria for Car Chase and Shocking Scene

Car Chase - in this case, "car chase" can mean almost any road vehicle - cars, trucks, motorcycles... has to have tires and an engine. Multiple vehicles are fine, but not necessary. People other than drivers being involved is good. If a helicopter joins in, that's fine too. No trains as a main piece (but if one gets involved somehow, that's ok). While we probably can't avoid CGI with the amount of picks we have, old-school will, in a general sense, fair better (this does not mean a great car chase w/ cgi will necessarily score low). But real cars, real crashes, no second take unless there's another car... I like that.

Shocking Scene - (stupid board won't let me turn off bold - sorry) - anything considered "shocking" is fine. Something we didn't see coming, something over-the-top revolting, something that made us jump out of our seats - all fair game. However, keep in mind that gnenerally, a jaw-dropping "special effect" is not really what I am looking for. Also, trust that I know / respect film history - what was shocking way back when might not seem so shocking today, but I will try to keep it in context.

 

[AcerFC]

3.23 Do the Right Thing, NYC

3.24 Children of Men long take

4.2 Scarface shootout

4.3 Ronin, car chase

4. Kumerica OTC til 11:00 est tomorrow
5. John Madden's Lunchbox- On Deck, Skipped but should pick tonight
6. Dr. Octopus- In The Hole

7. jwb
8. Mrs. Rannous
9. krista4
10. joffer
11. Tiannamen Tank

PMs going out to bolded

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Dramatic actor in a comedic role

3.21 - Kevin Kline in a Fish called Wanda

Up until this film he had appeared in Sophie's Choice, The Big Chill, Silverado and Cry Freedom - ALL dramatic roles.

He then comes out and totally dominates a very strong cast and wins an Oscar as the psychotic Otto.

Cleese obviously saw something when the 2 worked together on Silverado and his casting was inspired. Few could believe that the ultra serious Kline could act like this and to top it off the ####er is married to Phoebe Cates. Lucky *******.

Otto in a Fish Called Wanda

BTW this one would have been a great choice for English film

 

[Tremendous Upside]

LOVE AFCW

 

[ScottNorwood]

You ####ers with your east coast bias. You think that unless it happens back there, it didn't happen. That's why I have to put up with this crap that Bryce Harper is the equal of Mike Trout. What total bull####.

Who was it gave these guys their own category?

Mike Trout is from New Jersey

 

[Mister CIA]

2.25 -


- Car Chase scene

 

[Usual21]

3.25 -


, Monologue

 

[Usual21]

2.25 -

damn you!

 

[Mister CIA]

 

[Dr. Octopus]

2.25 -

Whoah.

 

[timschochet]

You ####ers with your east coast bias. You think that unless it happens back there, it didn't happen. That's why I have to put up with this crap that Bryce Harper is the equal of Mike Trout. What total bull####.

Who was it gave these guys their own category?

Mike Trout is from New Jersey

Not anymore!

 

[Time Kibitzer]

2.25 -

Wow, what a play by Mister CIA there. Beats Usual21 to the pick by literally only seconds. That kind of flair for the dramatic is truly in the spirit of the category.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Was between Bullitt and Ronin for me

Although Bullitt is the OG car chase, and McQueen is, of course, the man, I enjoy Ronin more

Both are awesome, however

 

[jwb]

now THAT was a snipe

 

[ScottNorwood]

2.25 -

Usual would've had it if he hadn't bothered with a write up

 

[Usual21]

2.25 -

This has to be the snipe of all snipes. EVER.

 

[Mister CIA]

I nearly passed on Bullitt because there's another one I like nearly as much and I'm thinking it will fall through the cracks.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Wow! WTG Mister - great pick! Sorry, Usual.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

I nearly passed on Bullitt because there's another one I like nearly as much and I'm thinking it will fall through the cracks.

Bullitt should get bonus points for being the first "best" car chase scene, but compare it what can be done now with car chases it comes off poorly.It definitely has a real vibe and is filmed beautifully, but if you put that car chase in a movie today, the action crowd would be bored by it.I wouldn't put it out of the top 6 though for its originality and without it we wouldn't have this category. A true trailblazing scene.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Any sign of Kumerica?

 

[AcerFC]

Any sign of Kumerica?

he only seems to pop in for his pick and was skipped a bunch during the last draft. I'll be back at it at 8:00 am tomorrow if anyone wants to throw me a PM

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If Kumerica does pick tonight feel free to skip me. I'll pick sometime in the morning either way.

 

[jwb]

looks like he's here.

 

[Mister CIA]

Far be it for me to be critical of drafts that people seem to enjoy, but you have "New York" and "Nazis" yet nothing about the west, Westerns, Texas, or the desert....? Has to have been an oversight.

This one starts off in a

- film about New York City.In case Tim has something to say about the New Yorkyness of this pick, my reply - I'm draftin' here! I'm draftin' here!

 

[Kumerica]

4.04 The Last Waltz, Rock & Roll

 

[krista4]

4.04 The Last Waltz, Rock & Roll

Well done.