*** TNF on Prime Video - Lions at Packers (+2.5, 46) *** 8:15 Kickoff (2 Viewers)

[Ministry of Pain]

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[Ministry of Pain]

Lions 2-1 at Packers 2-1

-I watch the Packers get off to a great start in Week1, had a lead down in Atlanta and couldn't hold it in Week 2, dug a 17-0 hole vs the Saints and somehow won 18-17 after Carr exited with a shoulder injury. Who are the 2023 Green Bay Packers?

-For one thing they are down their star RB1 in Aaron Jones and missing 2nd year WR Christian Watson who was projected as their WR1. They have a first year starter in Jordan Love and most of the receivers are young including Watson who has yet to suit up as we enter week 4.

-The Lions have baffled me the last couple weeks after edging the Chiefs Week 1 on Thursday Night. I felt they should have beaten the Seahawks and did not play particularly well on offense last week vs a very unimaginative Atlanta Falcons, 20-6. The Packers usually are not underdogs at home. Goff does not play particularly well on the road. This could easily end up going under as many times is the case on TNF.

The availability of Monty will have a big impact and also have a ripple effect on other players for Detroit.
23-20 either way seems about right

 

[BobbyLayne]

-For one thing they are down their star RB1 in Aaron Jones and missing 2nd year WR Christian Watson who was projected as their WR1.

Pretty sure they both playing. Not sure about CB Jaire Alexander.

Lions Week 4 Final Injury Report

RT Matt Nelson -- Ankle OUT
RG Halapoulivaati Vaitai -- Knee OUT
FB Jason Cabinda -- Knee OUT

I would presume everyone who is questionable will play with the exception of CB Emmanuel Moseley but we'll find out 90 minutes before Kickoff.

LT Taylor Decker has been in a walking boot (high ankle sprain) since the Chiefs game - RT Penei Sewell either starts his third straight over on Goff's blind side or the longest serving Lion comes back and all is well. If it's the former, 4th string RT rookie Colby Sorsdal will get the nod. I'm not overly concerned; 1) Detroit literally always has a starting OL missing, tonight will be the 37th time out of the last 38 somebody was out, 2) Packers entire left side is out and their next man up guys have been just fine. Both teams are a bit beat up.

Packers Final Injury Report (first 3 are starters)

Ruled OUT

LT David Bakhtiari (knee/rest)
LG Elgton Jenkins (knee)
LB De’Vondre Campbell (ankle)
S Zayne Anderson (hamstring)

Questionable

RB Aaron Jones (hamstring)
WR Christian Watson (hamstring)
RT Zach Tom (knee)
CB Jaire Alexander (back)
CB Carrington Valentine (biceps)

Not listed with an injury designation

EDGE Rashan Gary (ankle)

The Packers star Edge rusher - who missed last year's Week 18 matchup - has been on a pitch count coming off ACL surgery. 3 sacks on 38 snaps versus the Saints.

 

[Timmay]

This game comes down to the availability of Aaron Jones and if/if he isn't limited imo. Packers offense especially the run game has really struggled since Jones has been out. Dillon might be washed or it has a little to do with a lot of their OL being out, but he has not looked good in Jones' absence. Jones' brings that receiving threat that I think the Packers are missing for a first time starter in Love.

If this game was held in Detroit, I think Lions win easily but with it being outdoors in Lambeau albeit not ridiculously cold which helps, Lions will struggle a little moving the ball and therefore play into the hands of the Packers being able to keep up.

Packers 20
Lions 17

 

[FairWarning]

Tough game to sort out. It would be a huge win for Detroit, winning at KC and GB.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Apparently Monty and Decker will both be active tonight.

 

[jobarules]

Apparently Monty and Decker will both be active tonight.

I think you have that wrong. Both not expected to play.

Well sounds like they changed the tweet. My bad

 

[jon_mx]

Packers strength is their defense. But the Lions offense is good enough to score on this defense. LaPorta and ARSB will continue to get theirs and the Lions will have some success running. The Packers are banged up on offense and I think Detroit puts enough pressure on Love to force some turnovers and get some sacks.

Lions 24, Pack 13.

 

[Payne]

The Lions are the better team and healthier.

Lions 27
Packers 17

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Lions: 31
Pack: 14

 

[Rubi]

Interesting Thursday Nighter. Early grip on The NFC Norris Division for the winner. Packers are a rookie kickers missed field goal away from 1-2. But they aren't.
Lions are an overtime loss away from being 3-0. But they aren't. As a wise man once said,"You are what your record says you are". And they are both 2-1.
One common opponent,Atlanta. Take what you will from that. Should be a fun game to watch. With no pony in this race I'll take a stab and say...

Detroit Lions- 27
Green Bay Packers- 23

 

[need2know]

lions
packers are lucky to be 2-1

 

[gucci little piggy]

Packers 31
Lions 27

I think the Lions are the better team, but this is the score that came to me through the ether.

 

[BobbyLayne]

PFF grades:

Overall: Detroit 79.9 (6th), Green Bay 73.5 (14th)

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Offense Detroit 78.0 (2nd), Green Bay 66.3 (21st)

Passing: Detroit 81.5 (3rd), Green Bay 66.3 (23rd)
Pass Blocking; Detroit 72.5 (6th), Green Bay 78.0 (3rd)
Receiving: Detroit 75.1 (4th), Green Bay 68.3 (13th)
Rushing: Detroit 62.7 (27th), Green Bay 67.7 (21st)
Run Blocking: Detroit 69.9 (3rd), Green Bay 51.7 (26th)

Offensive Starters:

Quarterback	Jared Goff (5 Big Time Throws, 2 Turnover Worthy Plays)	83.5	Jordan Love (4 BTT, 4 TWP)	65.3 (25th)
Halfback	Jahmyr Gibbs	62.7 (53rd)	Aaron Jones	71.3 (30th)
Halfback	David Montgomery	58.8 (68th)	A.J. Dillon	62.3 (56th)
Wide Receiver	Amon-Ra St Brown	79.4 (15th)	Christian Watson (2022 grade)	77.1 (30th)
Wide Receiver	Josh Reynolds	71.5 (37th)	Romeo Dobbs	76.6 (27th)
Wide Receiver	Kalif Raymond	77.1 (19th)	Jayden Reed	67.9 (55th)
Tight End	Sam LaPorta	80.7 (5th)	Luke Musgrave	62.1 (35th)
Left Tackle	Taylor Decker	69.6 (29th)	Rasheed Walker	68.2 (32nd)
Left Tackle (if Decker is out)	Penei Sewell	76.2 (16th)
Left Guard	Jonah Jackson	68.6 (20th)	Royce Newman	51.7 (71st)
Center	Frank Ragnow	79.4 (4th)	Josh Meyers	54.2 (35th)
Right Guard	Graham Glasgow	66.6 (4th)	Jon Runyan	54.5 (66th)
Right Tackle	Penei Sewell	76.2 (16th)	Zach Tom	75.2 (18th)
Right Tackle (if Decker is out)	Colby Sorsdal	51.9 (83rd)
Place Kicker	Riley Patterson	74.4 (10th)	Anders Carlson	72.0 (12th)

Defense: Detroit 68.6 (17th), Green Bay 74.3 (13th)
Run Defense: Detroit 67.1 (13th), Green Bay 62.5 (19th)
Tackling: Detroit 44.6 (26th), Green Bay 72.8 (5th)
Pass Rush: Detroit 66.3 (22nd), Green Bay 69.1 (14th)
Pass Coverage: Detroit 65.7 (23rd), Green Bay 81.5 (8th)
Special Teams: Detroit 68.8 (17th), Green Bay 54.1 (29th)

Defensive Starters:

1-Tech/Nose Tackle	Isaiah Buggs	59.0 (86th)	Kenny Clark	68.2 (48th)
3-Tech/DLT	Alim McNeil	68.6 (46th)	Devonte Wyatt	64.0 (58th)
5- or 7-Tech/DLE/DRT	John Cominsky	54.6 (110th)	T.J. Slayton	66.9 (51st)
9-Tech/Edge/DLE	Aidan Hutchinson	82.6 (15th)	Rashan Gary	80.6 (20th)
Edge/DRE	Charles Harris	62.2 (83rd)	Preston Smith	72.7 (40th)
Edge/3rd Down Pass Rusher	Romeo Okwara	69.2 (47th)	Lukas Van Ness	67.7 (57th)
MLB	Derrick Barnes	72.1 (35th)	Quay Walker	74.1 (26th)
LOLB/MLB/Edge (Elephant)	Jack Campbell	58.1 (97th)	Isaiah McDuffie	50.8 (110th)
WLB	Alex Anzalone	59.5 (89th)	Eric Wilson	69.9 (43rd)
SLB	Malcolm Rodriguez	35.0 (127th)
Slot CB	Brian Branch	74.2 (24th)	Keisean Nixon	64.4 (68th)
Left Cornerback	Cam Sutton	67.6 (53rd)	Rasul Douglas	62.5 (83rd)
Right Cornerback	Jerry Jacobs	47.9 (136th)	Jaire Alexander	78.9 (15th)
Free Safety	Kerby Joseph	71.8 (30th)	Darnell Savage	63.4 (59th)
Free Safety (if Joseph is out)	Ifeatu Melifonwu	76.0 (21st)
Strong Safety	Tracy Walker III	74.0 (25th)	Rudy Ford	66.3 (49th)
Punter	Mr Jack Fox	72.8 (6th)	Daniel Whelan	69.6 (10th)

 

[BobbyLayne]

Detroit has won the last three meetings

The Lions have won 5 of their last 6 road games

 

[IHEARTFF]

massive equity swing for the NFCN division tonight
not really sure who I think is going to win, but I expect a tight game

 

[ChiefD]

Hope it's a good game.

I have family in Wisconsin and we are considering a move there. Give me the Packers.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Detroit has won the last three meetings

The Lions have won 5 of their last 6 road games

Considering Goff's road splits it sounds like either the running game and/or defense shows up on the road.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I have Watson is a few leagues, look forward to watching him tonight and hopefully feeling comfortable to insert him next week

Mostly have winning records in those leagues and don't feel desperate enough to run with him after missing 3 Weeks

 

[jon_mx]

Getting Mosley healthy and Jacobs off the field would be a huge boost to the defense.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Detroit has won the last three meetings

The Lions have won 5 of their last 6 road games

Considering Goff's road splits it sounds like either the running game and/or defense shows up on the road.

Last year 24.1 v 15.9 PPG
This year 25.4 v 16.6

(not much better over his last 6 road games, 16.9)

I’ve felt all summer & fall the key to the season is the defense. With their OL they’ll always be able to score. They have the longest streak in the NFL of scoring 20 or more points, 12 games. Usually when we lost last year it was on the D.

This year they’re middle of the pack, 11th in run defense, 5th fewest yards rushing allowed to RBs. The back end is better. Linebackers are vastly improved with Barnes development + adding Jack Campbell.

The only thing they lack is a consistent Robin to their Batman (Hutch.) James Houston might not be back for two months, someone needs to step up.

 

[Wingnut]

Always a fun division matchup.

Lions get the road win tonight.

 

[Tanner9919]

aaand yet Jordan Love is QB #4 overall - sans Watson, Jones, and a boatload of other players. coming back from 17-0 is a sign of things to come. Can the Lions defense play well enough against the pass? every week the Packers have what seems to be the most amount of drops in the NFL. Love was 50% comp last week, with 5 drops, and a another WIDE OPEN Musgrave dropped would-be TD pass, that's 3 on the season for him. now at some point , Musgrave is going to have that coming out game - and I think that happens tonight.

Not sure I buy the 'Packers are lucky to be 2-1' call.

 

[Snoopy]

GB - CB Jaire Alexander inactive, RT Zach Tom active.

 

[gucci little piggy]

Crazy that the Lions and Packers play two Thursday games against each other this year(Thanksgiving being the other one). That's gotta be an NFL first, I'd think

 

[Rubi]

Crazy that the Lions and Packers play two Thursday games against each other this year(Thanksgiving being the other one). That's gotta be an NFL first, I'd think

It is right that The Lions and Packers should play on Thanksgiving.

 

[Bozeman Bruiser]

Confidently starting Goff tonight, who's with me!

 

[Bozeman Bruiser]

Lions 34
Packers 31

 

[Hugsy_Malone]

The Lynch and Sanders segment was painful again. Why, Marshwan, why?

 

[Hugsy_Malone]

Confidently starting Goff tonight, who's with me!

Starting Goff in one league because my other option is Dak and New England. I'm not confident, but he gets the start.

 

[Wingnut]

Those Packer fans by the Lions tunnel are way too polite

 

[Sarlakticacid]

Crazy that the Lions and Packers play two Thursday games against each other this year(Thanksgiving being the other one). That's gotta be an NFL first, I'd think

Lions this season with 3 Thursdays night games too

 

[Zeppelin]

Lions 24, Packers 13.

 

[Hugsy_Malone]

Look at the pretty lights at Lambeau! Just beautiful.

In all seriousness, let's hope for no injuries tonight. Would be nice to see teams just compete without putting a damper on the entire game.

 

[travdogg]

I think GB takes this one in a close like 20-17 game.

 

[dmac37]

Why are the Lions wearing the ugly all white, they have so many better options.

 

[Down Under]

Anyone know if Montgomery playing tonight?

 

[Wingnut]

Goff goof

 

[Bozeman Bruiser]

Looks to be a lot of Lions fans in the crowd, the new America's Team

https://twitter.com/Justin_Rogers/status/1707545959960318315

 

[Hugsy_Malone]

Oh man,

Goff already.

So sorry I jinxed you guys by starting him.

 

[need2know]

Wtf goff

 

[travdogg]

Been a little worried about streaky Goff. He had such a good stretch, historically its been followed by a bad one for him.

 

[Ilov80s]

Been a little worried about streaky Goff. He had such a good stretch, historically its been followed by a bad one for him.

Always a little shakier on the road but the D bailed him out

 

[Zeppelin]

Great job by the defense to hold them to a FG.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Looked like Monty had the ball briefly jarred or loose but got his arms back around it on the 3rd and short yardage he made

 

[greenmountaingoat]

Laporta is a stud

 

[Wingnut]

TD St Brown!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I love La Porta

 

[foxco]

Some drive

 

[Ilov80s]

Goff has redeemed himself, perfect drive