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Shout out to the Curacao goalie for the incredible save on CP.

Every time I watch CP play I get more encouraged. If we can keep building around him he's going to be extremely special.
He already is extremely special imo. Hes attacking the game in ways no US player has ever done (that I've seen). And to your future point- yeah, he's only 20. We just need a couple of players around him even close to that level.

 
So is everybody off the Boyd bandwagon now?

I've been saying his defense is terrible...which doesn't leave him with much if his offense is what it was last night.

Eta... I like his upside on attack and think this was more systemic than individual last night.

 
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Zardes is so difficult to watch.

When he checks back to the ball, with back to goal, he is a competent player.  He can usually one touch a pass to an open team mate that is decisive and correct.

But when he receives the ball facing goal in the final 3rd, he looks absolutely lost.  The ball either gets stuck in his feet, or he has a heavy touch or his decision making is too slow and he gets stripped.

 
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So is everybody off the Boyd bandwagon now?

I've been saying his defense is terrible...which doesn't leave him with much if his offense is what it was last night.

Eta... I like his upside on attack and think this was more systemic than individual last night.
He was horrendous last night but it is too early to make any calls on him IMO.   

If he throws up another stinker against Jamaica then I think it is fair to ask which is the real Boyd but if he plays well again, I will just put off last nights game as a singular bad game.  Let's face it, every American player has them.

 
Brian Sciaretta‏ @BrianSciaretta

Not sure if this is an MLS record, but my guess yes. Over the weekend’s 12 games, 41 #USYNT eligible players made appearances

 
Zardes is so difficult to watch.

When he checks back to the ball, with back to goal, he is a competent player.  He can usually one touch a pass to an open team mate that is decisive and correct.

But when he receives the ball facing goal in the final 3rd, he looks absolutely lost.  The ball either gets stuck in his feet, or he has a heavy touch or his decision making is too slow and he gets stripped.
Lol... I would say (and have said) the opposite. When he shows for the ball, he way too often zardozes the first touch..if he even gets there, because he also way to often seems to have no idea how to use his body or run to get there and win the ball first. 

But yes- he has a good sense of the runners and when the stars align, he's decent at finding them with a first time ball.

 
One angle to the game against Jamaica, it will pit CP against his new teammate, Michael Hector. Both were soldiers in the Chelsea loan army last season.

Of course, Hector has never worn a Chelsea shirt.  Hector has been on loan his entire senior career, since signing with Reading in 2009.  During that 10 year period, Hector has served an incredible 15 loans:

Senior career*

YearsTeamApps(Gls)

2009–2015Reading54(3)

2009→ Bracknell Town (loan)3(0)

2009→ Didcot Town (loan)3(0)

2010→ Havant & Waterlooville (loan)1(0)

2010→ Oxford City (loan)6(0)

2010–2011→ Horsham (loan)11(1)

2011→ Dundalk (loan)11(2)

2011–2012→ Barnet (loan)27(2)

2012→ Shrewsbury Town (loan)8(0)

2012–2013→ Aldershot Town (loan)8(1)

2013→ Cheltenham Town (loan)20(1)

2013–2014→ Aberdeen (loan)20(1)

2015–Chelsea0(0)

2015–2016→ Reading (loan)26(1)

2016–2017→ Eintracht Frankfurt (loan)22(1)

2017–2018→ Hull City (loan)36(1)

2018–2019→ Sheffield Wednesday (loan)37(2)


This past season, he was named Sheffield Wednesday's player of the season.

 
Lol... I would say (and have said) the opposite. When he shows for the ball, he way too often zardozes the first touch..if he even gets there, because he also way to often seems to have no idea how to use his body or run to get there and win the ball first. 

But yes- he has a good sense of the runners and when the stars align, he's decent at finding them with a first time ball.
I am specifically talking about when he checks back.  Last night he did it 4 times where he separated from his defender, runs back towards the midfield and receives a pass and cleanly plays it one time.

His Zardoz touch seems to be related when he has to accept a pass that he is either not moving and/or has a defender right on his back.

 
Don't read too much into this as the German teams love to abuse lower level teams in friendlies, but Bobby Wood got a hat trick yesterday.  At least he is alive.

 
I am specifically talking about when he checks back.  Last night he did it 4 times where he separated from his defender, runs back towards the midfield and receives a pass and cleanly plays it one time.

His Zardoz touch seems to be related when he has to accept a pass that he is either not moving and/or has a defender right on his back.
I know what you meant...and when he's able to find separation AND his first touch, I agree. (Checking = showing) He ended up combining so well with kean and ld, it's hard to see him not do it well. 

I think he's best being the runner slotting through and around off the target forward, or crashing the diagonals. The first touch should, but doesn't have to be perfect in that role.

 
Don't read too much into this as the German teams love to abuse lower level teams in friendlies, but Bobby Wood got a hat trick yesterday.  At least he is alive.
It would be hard to believe that he just fell off a cliff unless there is news that we are unaware of such as personal issues or injury.

 
I noticed this as well.  Weston bossed most of that first half.

what lineup changes would you like to see outside of Jozy for Zardes?  Leon Baily going up against Ream scares me.
So I started brain dumping a response and realized.... know what?  There are no good answers. The midfield really bothers me, but to your point. Who do you put in?  🤢. It stinks aside from Swag. There’s nobody there to build around him. 

 
So I started brain dumping a response and realized.... know what?  There are no good answers. The midfield really bothers me, but to your point. Who do you put in?  🤢. It stinks aside from Swag. There’s nobody there to build around him. 
There is no one on the roster right now IMO that improves it.

I remained convinced, until proven otherwise, that Paxton, Adams and Holmes might be upgrades in various spots.  Certainly Adams is an upgrade just by getting on the field and Paxton and Holmes should (hopefully) upgrade the depth over Roldan and Milhailovic.

 
What has happened since World cup 2014? I'd have bet the house 5 years later we would be really good. WTF is going on in US soccer?

 
What has happened since World cup 2014? I'd have bet the house 5 years later we would be really good. WTF is going on in US soccer?
I trace it all back to when JK sold his soul for Julian Green.

In a more serious answer, we have had a lost generation of players.   We did not qualify for two straight Olympics and that group of players are now in their prime which has led to an incredible lack of depth between the ages of 26-30 on the team.

This is the main reason so many are focusing on the next generation (Pulisic/Weston/Adams and younger) as the hope seems to be with them.  Whether the younger guys (Weah, Sargent, Gloster, Paxton and others) make a difference, no one yet knows.  It does make this cycle very interesting though.

I think @Dinsy Ejotuzmentioned the other night that the team we see deep in qualifying 18 months from now might look very different from what we see right now, and I think that is a good guess.

 
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What has happened since World cup 2014? I'd have bet the house 5 years later we would be really good. WTF is going on in US soccer?
I may stand alone on this but I also carry the belief that 2014 was an enigma.

If we are results based only, it looked good.  But the reality was that the US was badly out played in 3 of the 4 games they played.   The order of the games worked out perfectly for the US.  Had they had Germany first instead of Ghana, Germany would have throttled the US(as they did to Portugal in the first game)  instead of resting everyone in the last game of the group which was almost meaningless.

The 2-1 loss in extra time to Belgium looks good on the surface but we all know that game should have been 4-0 at least to Belgium.  It took Howard standing on his head for 120 minutes to keep it that close.

 
We talked about how Weston had a big drop off in the second half, but he was not the only one.

I am interested to see @Scienceguy grades that he splits up by half.  To my eyes, Zimmerman was great in the first half and then had a pretty big drop off.

 
Pulisic's assist last night moves him into 12th place all time for the US.  He is now 1 behind Jozy and DMB.

 
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Did it seem like he was sitting back tactically? If so, he wasn't helping Bradley any. Curacao was far too easily able to punch to right through the gut of the MF- and Bradley was all alone and exposed repeatedly.

I felt like he just took the foot off the gas, physically and mentally. And then really sloppy when he was involved- killed most of what came through him with poor decisions, poor dribbling or poor passes. I'm talking second half.
It certainly looked like a tactically induced move.  The triangle of Zimmerman, Long, and Bradley doesn’t like to get run at (and the tactic stupidly gave Curacao even more room to run at them).

This is also one of the many reasons Adams shouldn’t be the RB.  He is that cover.

 
Every time I watch CP play I get more encouraged. If we can keep building around him he's going to be extremely special.
Indeed.

Hopefully we don’t waste ANOTHER 4 years of his prime by missing the damn WC again this next cycle :lol:  

 
Miami (Monday, July 1, 2019) – The Confederation of North, Central America and Caribbean Association Football (Concacaf) today announced that the 2019 Concacaf Gold Cup Final, set to be played at Chicago’s iconic Soldier Field, is sold out. Also, Concacaf announced today the launch of the Gold Cup Station, a week-long fan experience in Chicago’s Union Station.

 
Miami (Monday, July 1, 2019) – The Confederation of North, Central America and Caribbean Association Football (Concacaf) today announced that the 2019 Concacaf Gold Cup Final, set to be played at Chicago’s iconic Soldier Field, is sold out. Also, Concacaf announced today the launch of the Gold Cup Station, a week-long fan experience in Chicago’s Union Station.
Do they get experience the US playing better at the gold cup station?

 
He already is extremely special imo. Hes attacking the game in ways no US player has ever done (that I've seen). And to your future point- yeah, he's only 20. We just need a couple of players around him even close to that level.
was thinking to myself, who else on the US roster can play internationally at a high level? or at the high end club level?

it seems like they have Pulisic (a 20 year old) and then a bunch of guys who are just there because they need bodies.  it seems Altidore is #2?? is he even considered good? it seems a lot of people trash him. and then when they trash him say "well, it's either him or Zardes and he's not better"

Bradley i guess would be the NBA/NFL equivalent of a guy who was once good but is just hanging on for experience & nostalgia. maybe if he were a European player, this version would be him coming to MLS as a name draw in the post-twilight of his career.

 
In a more serious answer, we have had a lost generation of players.   We did not qualify for two straight Olympics and that group of players are now in their prime which has led to an incredible lack of depth between the ages of 26-30 on the team.
did they miss the olympics because the players sucked? or do the players somehow suck because the US missed the olympics twice in a row?

 
did they miss the olympics because the players sucked? or do the players somehow suck because the US missed the olympics twice in a row?
I am not sure I understand the question.

In either case, the US was not good enough to qualify for the Olympics two straight times.   Which has not happened since I think the 60's.

 
What has happened since World cup 2014? I'd have bet the house 5 years later we would be really good. WTF is going on in US soccer?
Postive Take:   It just takes time.  Our talent pool is as deep as it has ever been.   We have a new coach who is implementing a new system and we are still undefeated in the Gold Cup.   

Negative Take:  We have 100X times more youth players than Croatia and a superior domestic league and superior financial resources, yet they would dominate us.    Gross mismanagement by US Soccer is the mostly likely explanation.

As always, the answer is probably somewhere in the middle.

 
Miami (Monday, July 1, 2019) – The Confederation of North, Central America and Caribbean Association Football (Concacaf) today announced that the 2019 Concacaf Gold Cup Final, set to be played at Chicago’s iconic Soldier Field, is sold out. Also, Concacaf announced today the launch of the Gold Cup Station, a week-long fan experience in Chicago’s Union Station.
When I bought my tickets back in April, my fear was that the USMNT wouldn't make the final.  Now, I'm pretty confident they will beat Jamaica and make the final, but am worried they will get blown out by Mexico.  I could probably double the money I spent today, but I think my son and I will go to the game no matter who is playing or what the circumstances are.  As a Packers fan, I've had pretty good luck at Soldier Field over the years.  We've already got the hotel, and I bought my wife and daughter Hamilton tickets the same day as a makeweight, so we're all-in.

 
When I bought my tickets back in April, my fear was that the USMNT wouldn't make the final.  Now, I'm pretty confident they will beat Jamaica and make the final, but am worried they will get blown out by Mexico.  I could probably double the money I spent today, but I think my son and I will go to the game no matter who is playing or what the circumstances are.  As a Packers fan, I've had pretty good luck at Soldier Field over the years.  We've already got the hotel, and I bought my wife and daughter Hamilton tickets the same day as a makeweight, so we're all-in.
No way I’d ever ditch the chance for a US/Mex game. 

 
I am not sure I understand the question.

In either case, the US was not good enough to qualify for the Olympics two straight times.   Which has not happened since I think the 60's.
perhaps poorly worded on my part.

you said the US missed two Olympics and that generation of players is in their prime.  did the US miss the Olympics because that generation of players just sucked ? or do the young guys coming up behind them suck because the US didn't pour time, effort and development in to the players after missing the Olympics twice in a row?

 
perhaps poorly worded on my part.

you said the US missed two Olympics and that generation of players is in their prime.  did the US miss the Olympics because that generation of players just sucked ? or do the young guys coming up behind them suck because the US didn't pour time, effort and development in to the players after missing the Olympics twice in a row?
US Soccer, or really more specifically, MLS, only started to take development of young players seriously a little under ten years ago.  We are just starting to see the fruit of those efforts now with the kids that are under 21.  I don't think missing the Olympics was the impetus for this though.  It was more MLS finally getting to the point where survival was not any longer a worry and they could finally start investing in Long term projects like development.

It is a really slow process and as we said earlier in the thread, this is not all of a sudden going to make the US a legit top ten team, but it should make us better, even if marginally.

 
Postive Take:   It just takes time.  Our talent pool is as deep as it has ever been.   We have a new coach who is implementing a new system and we are still undefeated in the Gold Cup.   

Negative Take:  We have 100X times more youth players than Croatia and a superior domestic league and superior financial resources, yet they would dominate us.    Gross mismanagement by US Soccer is the mostly likely explanation.

As always, the answer is probably somewhere in the middle.
I would replace MLS for where you have US Soccer.   

I believe all over the world, it is club teams that are responsible for development, not federations.  We were always a bit backwards here in the US because MLS started so far behind every where else and it took a long time for them to get on any sort of solid financial rooting where they could even start thinking about taking on the huge task of development.

As always it a two sided coin.  The league has taken monumental steps in this area the last 8 years, but they still have miles to go.

 
The MLS development programs are a huge stride forward, but agree it will only result in a marginal increase in USMNT success.

Relying on MLS evolution is not enough if we want to be in the Germany/Spain/Brazil tier.   

Many of our best athletes in their youth years have multiple sports options...in Croatia, there is basically one option if you are a good athlete and you get gobbled up immediately by the local club.   We just don't have those kind of logistics yet...but that is what we need IMHO.

ETA:  I use Croatia as an example because I was just there.

 
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Atlanta United today announced the acquisition of midfielder Emerson Hyndman via loan from Premier League side AFC Bournemouth. The deal also includes an option for Atlanta to purchase following the loan’s expiration at the end of 2019 MLS season. Atlanta acquired Hyndman’s Discovery Rights in a trade with FC Dallas in exchange for an international roster slot in 2019 and 2020, in addition to $200,000 in General Allocation Money (GAM). Hyndman will be officially added to the club’s roster once the Secondary Transfer Window opens on July 9. 

 
I would replace MLS for where you have US Soccer.   

I believe all over the world, it is club teams that are responsible for development, not federations.  We were always a bit backwards here in the US because MLS started so far behind every where else and it took a long time for them to get on any sort of solid financial rooting where they could even start thinking about taking on the huge task of development.

As always it a two sided coin.  The league has taken monumental steps in this area the last 8 years, but they still have miles to go.
Does Brazil rely on club youth development?  Asking, because I don't know.

 
Relying on MLS evolution is not enough if we want to be in the Germany/Spain/Brazil tier.   
I think am too old and jaded at this point but I don't see anything short of a miracle that closes this gap in depth of quality in my lifetime between the US and the top countries no matter what happens.

 
I think am too old and jaded at this point but I don't see anything short of a miracle that closes this gap in depth of quality in my lifetime between the US and the top countries no matter what happens.
I agree, until we have a soccer crazy culture like these countries we just wont have the youth interest or desire on the level that those countries have.  

That being said, our other previously mentioned advantages should make up for some of that "culture gap."  

 
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Does Brazil rely on club youth development?  Asking, because I don't know.
Yes.  About twenty year ago they had a huge reform in the country once they realized that the transfer fees of young players to Europe were how they were going to survive financially.

There has long been an ongoing thought that the Brazilian kids develop in the street and on the beach but those days are long gone.

 
Yes.  About twenty year ago they had a huge reform in the country once they realized that the transfer fees of young players to Europe were how they were going to survive financially.

There has long been an ongoing thought that the Brazilian kids develop in the street and on the beach but those days are long gone.
And so are most of the exciting, creative players those environments produced. 😢

 
was thinking to myself, who else on the US roster can play internationally at a high level? or at the high end club level?

it seems like they have Pulisic (a 20 year old) and then a bunch of guys who are just there because they need bodies.  it seems Altidore is #2?? is he even considered good? it seems a lot of people trash him. and then when they trash him say "well, it's either him or Zardes and he's not better"
*Tyler Adams will be a starter on a Champions League team this fall.

*John Brooks is good enough to be on a Champions League level team, IMO.

*Weston McKennie was already a teenager starter on a Champions League team last year.

Those 3, along with Pulisic are, IMO, our 4 best players at this time.

Note that Brooks and Adams are both hurt and that is why you are not seeing them right now with the US.

And while he is not beloved of the FFA, it is worth acknowledging that DeAndre Yedlin gets a ton of minutes in the EPL, which is probably the best league, top to bottom, in the world currently.   He is also hurt right now.

 
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And so are most of the exciting, creative players those environments produced. 😢
I blame the modern game and requirements from coaches more than where the kids developed.

The exciting creative players you remember or have read about from years ago, would struggle in the modern game because they would be considered "luxury" players in which is sadly frowned upon by many coaches these days.

 
I agree, until we have a soccer crazy culture like these countries we just wont have the youth interest or desire on the level that those countries have.  

That being said, our other previously mentioned advantages should make up for some of that "culture gap."  
I am not even remotely dreaming about closing the gap.

My hope (which still may be out of reach in my lifetime) is to have the following, all in their prime (and healthy), at the same time.

*Two attackers of Pulisic's quality

*Two defensive midfielders of Adams quality

*Two offensive minded midfielders like Ramos/Obie

*Two CB's of Brooks level

* A competent LB

* A competent RB

* Our normal strong keeper

I find it sad that the least likely of these to happen is the competent LB :(

 
I am not even remotely dreaming about closing the gap.

My hope (which still may be out of reach in my lifetime) is to have the following, all in their prime (and healthy), at the same time.

*Two attackers of Pulisic's quality

*Two defensive midfielders of Adams quality

*Two offensive minded midfielders like Ramos/Obie

*Two CB's of Brooks level

* A competent LB

* A competent RB

* Our normal strong keeper

I find it sad that the least likely of these to happen is the competent LB :(
Well, midfield requires the most skill so historically that has been our weakest position.   

The LB saga is baffling to me.  I have no explanation.

 

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