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I see your attitude all the time in the FFA forum - "America - Love It or Leave It" - yes, there are other boards, but that doesn't mean that this board is above criticism and if somehow we think that it should be improved, then we should go elsewhere.
could not disagree more strongly. Posters like SWC are what keep me around. If I ever see that SWC posted in a thread, I guarantee you I'm clicking and reading, and you can take that to the bank and go tell your grandma.
I like this idea. It should be called the Hawks Nest though.
or, you could go the opposite direction and make a new forum called the "Shark Cage" and randomly moderate it - give all of the trouble makers a place to go and do what ever it is they do...post pics that they think rule, etc.I like this idea. It should be called the Hawks Nest though.
You guys have been around long enough to know this has been brought up ad nauseum, and it will not happen because it will "alienate good posters who do not pay for the service". Not sure I agree with that now, but it is, what it is.I like this idea. It should be called the Hawks Nest though.
You made a good point about turning good posters who may not subscribe here. I recant my thread suggestion of making TSP a members only club.Heck, If Augusta can allow women then we should be able to sift thru the threads and find the knowledge that we want to read about.And now ... back to our regularly scheduled program!to Fred. I have to admit reading through this thread was nostalgic seeing some of the original posters showing up. For those of us that frequent the board, there are some tremendous posters out there that have great content if you know what to look for. More kudos to MOP as I automatically read all of his posts as I know there is going to be some nugget of knowledge gleaned there. I even enjoy the posts from Otis on his hawk draft, if only to tell me who to avoid drafting.... (J/K Otis, but I truly do avoid your players... ) But here's the thing, the guys are posting information that they believe is good information and they back it up, and they may be right... or they may be wrong. Either way, if they are backing it up, that's worthwhile and these threads usually have a ton of great information in the debate with people backing up their views. I come here for the different points of view each person brings. Always have. I've been a subscriber since the beginning and personally, the DD and the news are worth the price of subscription every year. Then again just getting into the 35k and getting into the discussions with Iggy and Drinen are worth the price of subscription. There's a lot of pissing in the pool, no doubt about it, but it was always there. We have more forum members now and hence more pissing.. just the way it is. FWIW, the subscriber only forum has been brought up multiple times in the past. You run the risk of alienating some of the decent posters that just enjoy the forums and are not subscribers. And at the same time, you have subscribers who really like to piss in the pool. Either way, it's not a silver bullet to fix the problem. Bottom-line, do the right thing and be excellent to each other.
Start in The Wading Pool and graduate to The Shark Tank once you pass a punctuation test.Fantasy football has evolved so much over the last 20 years, one thing that hasn't changed is the presence of personality conflicts in the Shark Pool...and it never will. Enjoy it for what it is, the greatest collection of fantasy football minds in the history of the world. Otherwise you'll look back on these glory days and realize that you wasted 90% of your time b*ing about grammar and chasing trolls
brohan i am sorry that i bother you so much i guess at the end of the day the bottom line for me is that if i do not like someone i just do not read what they have to type for the world wide web and jeez brohan you just seem to have a lot of anger about stuff and like i have offered to others if you want to talk about it i could send you some messages and try to talk you trhough whatever is going on in your world because it is not worth being so angry about end of the day i bet if you met me in real life you would say man that swc he can not type to save his rear end from a pack of crazy dingos from down under and he has some stuff going on for sure but he works hard and keeps his yard looking nice and would lend me a wrench or an air compressor if i ever needed it so he is not all bad and heck we might even have a garage beer and tune up a engine heck if i know but the point is that the message board world is not the real world and it is not good to let it get to you like that where you are calling me an exhibit a of stupid because frankly even if i am you could sort of keep it to yourself so i hope that it turns around for you and take it to the bank and just let live and so on and so forth and be a brohan a friend would like to have and not just some other creep blasting away on the internet that is the motto i live by'squistion said:
Where the HELL have YOU been?!?!?!
If the end result of this thread is bringing some of my MIA buddies out of the woodwork, that's a helluva way to start filtering the water...Kind of ironic that as Ol' Yeller transformed to Big Blue, the water therein changed color in opposite manner. Some threads are so full of piss these days, nothing worth living could survive in them.rizzler, you and your ilk deserve to be called out by name, and called what you are, for the work you're doing in here.Thanks for the thread, Fred.Joe, David, Clayton, etc...I offer a gentle reminder: This Forum is the one place in this entire site that was supposed to be kept sacred. A clutter-free space where folks could politely and respectfully debate, discuss and disseminate information about NFL Football and a game derived therefrom which we have some passion about and consider a central hobby in our lives. Whatever anyone else thinks about that, or us, is irrelevant here. We're cool with it, and don't care if you aren't, just take your crap elsewhere - to the outhouses like the FFA that were created for it. You could spend hours here soaking everything in, but just as easily could come in for a quick dip and find everything you're seeking in minutes without having to work (sift through a bunch of worthless BS), to find it. Post or lurk, you're choice, but do your part respecting yourself and everyone else, show some maturity and personal responsibility in your conduct. Focus on the facts, not the fluff.This forum is overwhelmingly populated by folks seeking exactly that. rizzler, etc., whatever you think about that, or us, is largely irrelevant. That's the general population, and those of us who are part of it embrace and enjoy it, and really don't care about you, until you start upsetting the apple-cart with your toolish, immature and inappropriate behavior. I genuinely feel sorry for you all. I'm sure you won't cry over that, but I'm also sure that your real life must be sorry, unsatisfying and unfulfilling indeed that you feel the need to come in here and fish the "LOOK AT ME! I'M SUCH THE HIPSTER I-NONCONFORMIST ZINGMEISTER!!1!" bait. Are you all really at a place in life where you find that fulfilling? Sadder still that folks bite on it, and then the waters start acquiring that all-too-familiar stain...That's the worst thing about the trolls - a place (FFA) was created specifically for us to populate, when we felt like stepping out, with the idea that it would keep the Shark Pool troll-free. This is why this thread is, and these sentiments are, absolutely appropriate, and NOT an over-reaction, and this reason alone should be enough for Joe, David, Clayton and the Moderators to get back to being severely punative about folks stinking this place up.The phenomenon taking place here happens in society, and it's easily correctable, providing folks who are offended are willing to take the necessary steps, which really aren't that much. A large majority of folks aren't happy about something, but due to lack of organization and action, nothing ever changes. This Site, and this Forum in particular, are demand-driven. Joe and David rely on information from subscribers and users to drive their decisions, and they will GLADLY do whatever is demanded by a sizeable majority, most definitely if it's for the general good. If folks truly are disturbed about the state the Pool finds itself in, or the direction it's headed, three things could happen that could get this place back to what it used to be - more library than lunch room...and that right soon:1. Don't rise to the bait - one of the greatest quotes of all time in regards to affairs of passion appropriately applies here:"The opposite of love is NOT hate...but rather, indifference"...ignoring the ignorant goes a long way towards eliminating them.Here's another: "Never argue with an idiot - they just drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience."Rather than engaging in-thread, do the following:2. Learn how to use, and then follow through using the report function. Legitimately, often, and unrelentingly. Can't be lazy about this. Anything taking away from the purpose of this Forum is completely reportable. There are enough Mods around here, and J&D hold them accountable enough that if a massive influx of legitimate complaints come in, change will be mandated by popular demand. The popular demand just has to exist, exist loudly, and exist often. Once the pruning shears are sharpened and put to use in decisive fashion, things will improve in short order.3. PM Joe, David and Clayton along with a favorite mod of your choice, and voice your displeasure, rather than spending more than a post or two worth of time here. Yes, this is the busiest time of year for the Staff, but they read PM's, and if it's a huge influx of PM's about the same topic, that clearly state that they are being CC'd to Joe, David, Clayton and Staff Member 'X', there's little way to hide or ignore them.Accountability is the biggest activity motivator I know of, and I've managed people for years.Member demand drives action, plain and simple. Those of you that find what's going on here distasteful enough need to be willing to put in the work to get it noticed enough to change it.It's really not that much 'work'...and work, it will. Dedicated follow-through always does....and if we don't, then we only have OURSELVES to blame for what this place becomes, for better, or worse. Trolls, you are immature, disrespecful tools, and the overwhelming majority of folks who post in this Forum feel that way about you. Whether you care or not, it IS the brutal and indisputable truth...and in my experience people who are such pathetic attention whores that they feel the need to troll are rarely OK with that knowledge. So, HTH. Have a nice day! 
Ok, I'm normally on the side of the old codgers - but this SWC guy is great. I can definately see why some wouldn't like him. But I sure can see why some would like him, too. If it's shtick it's great. If it's not - it's even greater. I'd much rather read stuff from this guy (every once in a while) instead of some of these guys that have to put in their rightous two cents about why you "3 digit" guys shouldn't care about the d-bags invading the house you helped build.I'm more on the side of "respect those that came before you" instead of some of these other guys who blab about how it's their right to do this or that. It's so obvious that you think you're so "right" that you never shut the #### up and actually listen to what some of these OGs are trying to tell you.
This is what I was hoping for when I signed up here. I love seeing the original guys coming out of the woodwork. I've never even seen a lot of the posters in this thread before. It's nice to see the guys that helped start it all. Either way, I'll take the advice of these guys and try to do my part.Where the HELL have YOU been?!?!?!
I disagree. We come here for information on fantasy football. And many of us have alot of money on the line in our leagues. So yes, it is important to not clutter the Shark Pool with useless dribble.Someone cared enough to write a novel about it.Anyways, short and sweet. If this was a forum that dealt with serious, life altering issues, I'd care.It doesn't. This forum and this hobby are about pretending to be something we're not; Owners of a football team. It's make belief, man. Most of us come here to cool down, blow off some steam, throw a couple zingers, and when we want real info, we hit the articles. Some of us like to make novellas about how cool things were back in the dinosaur age.
Unlike some "OG" members, I don't feel the need to flaunt what I spend on FF every year.It's more than enough.I disagree. We come here for information on fantasy football. And many of us have alot of money on the line in our leagues. So yes, it is important to not clutter the Shark Pool with useless dribble.Someone cared enough to write a novel about it.
Anyways, short and sweet. If this was a forum that dealt with serious, life altering issues, I'd care.
It doesn't. This forum and this hobby are about pretending to be something we're not; Owners of a football team.
It's make belief, man. Most of us come here to cool down, blow off some steam, throw a couple zingers, and when we want real info, we hit the articles.
Some of us like to make novellas about how cool things were back in the dinosaur age.
When I was 23 I had a 2 year old car, an awesome apartment with my two best friends, about $500/month in bills, and a job waiting tables where I made two grand a month working 4 days a week. I played golf 3 times a week, sand volleyball from 10p to 2a 3x a week, and had more girls chasing me (and I, them) then any man deserves.SOMETIMES things are even better than they seem upon reflection.
The problem here is that if someone doesn't write with decent (or at least "good enough") grammar, they are shifting the burden of comprehension onto me. He/She is being lazy, and frankly, rude. I'm too busy to read stuff that can't be quickly understood, so I just ignore it.
Strongly agree. And I've witnessed boards go into death spirals by adding an "invite-only" forum. Traffic is good. More traffic is better. The problem here, in my mind, isn't the bickering or the tools (which really have been around forever), it's the decline in genuinely worthwhile content. I have a problem with the signal-to-noise ratio, but I think the solution is boosting signal, not reducing noise.Edit: it used to take me 2 hours to fully read and digest a day's activity in the pool. That time has now dropped to 30-60 minutes. Maybe I'm being more selective, but it really seems that there's just much less compelling stuff being presented and considered.
Best idea ever
or, you could go the opposite direction and make a new forum called the "Shark Cage" and randomly moderate it - give all of the trouble makers a place to go and do what ever it is they do...post pics that they think rule, etc.I like this idea. It should be called the Hawks Nest though.
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i have to take exception to what you ahve said because frankly i do not think that i have to write just to make you happy and i do not apprecaite being called lazy i think that is a low blow and if you knew me you would not say that not by a long shot heck all i do is work and try to keep this house of cards together over here and the wolf is at the door all the time it seems and i know what i have wrong with me because like my main man jackson brown said do not confront me with my failures i have not forgotten them but hey brohan i get it and read the likes of you loud and clear so i will just leave it alone and tell you to have a good one'BaBastage said:
I'd flag anyone with "raider" in their nickname for bad taste.
the board i mod on uses a reputation system which tries to do what you are talking about to a large extent. The problem became that people give out positive rep for simple things like linking an article directly from a common news site like NFL.com and then negative rep because someoone disagrees with a bad take(not even rudely). We have continued to use it and really the only people who get enough negative rep for us act on are pure spammers and jerks that we would got to anyway. Footballguys is ran well with reasonable moderation. Many of the problems here are just things that happen with message boards: the industry changes, the posters change, etc. the biggest thing is to not allow the 5- percent tool factor to grow past that. I don't think it has, but even generic FF has caught up with the board so being cutting edge is very difficult.
Love this idea.
I'd suggest a "Shark Pasture" forum for the older members who think it stinks now that there are more people using the site and they're consequently less famous. They can talk past greatness, low user numbers, and chew cuds.
And swap Glass Tiger/Stryker cassettes.
I was coming here to post this. Well done.On a side note, the best part about this thread for me, is reading the names posting. There are some "old school" people coming out of the woodwork.It's good to see you. Here's to ya.'ConnSKINS26 said:or, you could go the opposite direction and make a new forum called the "Shark Cage" and randomly moderate it - give all of the trouble makers a place to go and do what ever it is they do...post pics that they think rule, etc.I like this idea. It should be called the Hawks Nest though.
:4: and all that.
I'd wrench and pound a few while blasting tunes with you any day brohan. Even if you are from that crazy redheaded stepchild state to the east.
I hope Seymour and Kelly don't hit Peyton's neck by mistake.
If you search for posts by him you'll find he used to utilize punctuation and make sense. I only read a few, but found it odd that his style changed so much. Not sure when he made the switch. The current schtick is good, though, so I'm just wondering - not hoping for him to switch back.
Perhaps this is true, but I've often pondered how much better a place an "invite only" forum would be. The traffic wouldn't be high, but the posts would be to the point and there wouldn't be any WDIS threads or Draft spot 4 in 12 team ppr threads or DUI/arrest threads. It would be a blissful place with only FF related threads. But you are probably right that traffic would be too low if we sifted out not just the pointless posters but thsoe who post on topic but don't know ****. There are a TON of these in the SP. People post with authority but really don't know what they're talking about. And if you call them out for their faulty logic then you are a mean person who is ruining the Shark Pool. But IMO, the only thing worse than off topic posts are posts that sound informed but are actually stupid - so they actually mislead people rather than wasting their time.I've actually been around for about 10 years (on various boards but started a new name/handle so my league mates won't know who I am) and I fully agree that the SP is declining. So maybe an invite-only section would be bad in the end, but could it really be worse than this? Maybe just a section where it has to be fantasy football related and can't have any commish questions, draft spot strategy, one player vs. another player (who do I draft), or any of the other crapola we find here - like my kid met Player X and he was really nice.The idea by another poster (a staffer, I believe) to implement a meter where people eventually get blocked when their rep drops to a certain point is a good idea in theory but inevitably calling people out for posting out of their #### will cause a backlash and get you blocked. We need more people calling out the uninformed who post pure conjecture as fact, but too often we who call others out are labeled as trolls or "what is wrong w/the shark pool". One might say, just neg the uninformed post instead of calling them out, but just marking one negative rep point for an uninformed post won't balance out all the good reps they get by people who buy into that person's crap.In the end you almost have to memorize people's handles to determine who you can believe and who is full of it, but an invite only section would eliminate that need/problem and keep everything on topic without much need for moderating. And if traffic is a problem then those posters can go back to the shark pool and cast pearls before swine once again.
What the hell is wrong with people having uninformed, non-authoritarian opinions? I play in leagues with folks who are uninformed and non-authoritarian, it's nice to have a window into what they might be thinking.I've been doing this long enough to know what advice is good and what is bad...if it's backed up with logic and facts, i'll lsiten, regardless of member-number post count or punctuation. If it's just someone spouting an opinion, it's really easy to discard. Let me help you discern between the two: if no statistic/precedent/direct quote from principle actor is cited, it's opinion. It's that simple. I would prefer to hear a variety of opinions from anyone willing to devote a serious answer.
