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Hi Perry,The more I thought of this the more I think Young buys Fisher time. No way does he get fired after one year of a rookie QB. The talk will be that you can't pin the QB's inexperience on the coach.
Mike Mamula?
Moreover, the Jets, Raiders, Lions and Bills passed on Leinart as well. Maybe the Titans decision to pass on Leinart scared these teams away from him. Other teams might be thinking if Leinart's old coach Chow can't convince the rest of the Titans brass (if that was really the case) to draft Leinart should we? Combined with what the Titans did on draft day and those teams' own scouting info Leinart must have been too risky of a pick that high.I'm glad Joe and Bruno are making this point. The idea Fisher and Chow didn't get their man and were lobbying for Leinart seemed to take a life of it's own from very dubious sources. Chow coached Leinart so the assumption was he wanted him. From the assumption all these rumors started, then with the secret sources. I'm not so sure. I know Matt and Chow are friends, and I doubt Chow will ever criticize Matt publicly, but anonymous, undisclosed, sources aside, I think the Titans got their man, and the rumored fued about Leinart never was.Obviously, once Young learns the sytem Reese/Adams/Fisher/Chow feel he will be a better QB than Leinart.I have a hard time thinking that two high profile guys like Fisher and Chow couldn't carry the vote there over Reese ...JYes, although the Titans are denying it, many close to the organization are saying that Fisher and Chow both wanted Leinart.Wasn't it said that Chow did lobby for Matt rather hard?By this logic, I assume you are predicting that Leinart will bust since Chow didn't draft him when he had the opportunity to at #3 after "real life experiences with the kid over several years on a daily basis".
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I would guess he was a bit lazy during his time off, but would also know he was a STUD on the field and that no "dog" puts together his on the field performances. Bettis hasn't exactly played at his "ideal" weight for several of his playing years, but the guy was a horse when he strapped on the pads.
White should not be compared to Dayne. Dayne has been mis-categorized as a N/S runner since he got into the league. Dayne's success in WI, was from being patient behind the line of scrimmage, and cutting back as plays developed. He's a big guy, with exceptional moves; but is a poor "pounder."
Hi Joe,But if the coach and offensive coordinator wanted someone drafted and was then over ruled; doesn't that seem to indicate a lack of faith from the owner. Also Fisher wanted McNair back but again the word I am hearing is that the owner doesn't want him back. It seems to me the Titans front office is battling the coaching staff.
Hi Perry,I don't disagree they seem to be battling. But I guess what I'm saying is that possibly could work in Fisher's favor in the time buying department. They have a terrible year and he can play the "I had the cook the dinner but you wouldn't let me buy the groceries" card from the Parcells deck.
Was your company planning to give you a multi-million dollar signing bonus and a few million a year?
Fischer wanted Cutler.For all we know, Chow told Tenn to stay away from LeinartYes, although the Titans are denying it, many close to the organization are saying that Fisher and Chow both wanted Leinart.Wasn't it said that Chow did lobby for Matt rather hard?By this logic, I assume you are predicting that Leinart will bust since Chow didn't draft him when he had the opportunity to at #3 after "real life experiences with the kid over several years on a daily basis".
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I'm glad that the torn hammy was proven. IIRC before the workouts, he made some comments along the lines of "Well I'm the only true big back in the draft, so how can't I be a 1st rounder??" That really concerend me, hopefully him sliding a bit in the draft, gave him a little bit of a wakeup call.
He's gonna have a constant reminder of that play in his new qb. Personally, I think they got a steal.Hopefully he uses that as fuel...Except on his last play as a Trojan.Quite simply, White seems to have the inherent ability to get it done north-south like few others I've seen.
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I keep hearing the ongoing assumption that Chow had a strong preference for Leinart and was lobbying for him (not saying that's what you're asserting here). I don't think that's necessarily the case. Chow know's Matt's strengths, but also his weaknesses, better than anyone, and to assume that he lobbied hard for him only, with his job on the line, is a bit naive IMHO. That's not to take anything away from Leinart. He seems like a great kid and all, and is a damn fine qb, but I'm sure Chow is licking his chops at the prospect of what he can do with Young.Hell, chances are Chow did want Leinart more and lobbied for him, but it's not a given. Reports toward draft time indicated that the management and coaches were both sold on Young. That's when his Vegas odds of being the 1st qb taken went to 2-1 and Leinart's went to something like 7-2.
What is it that you guys want him TO GET? Throughout the time in which he evidently wasn't "getting it" he became the all time USC and Pac-10 touchdown leader. He was arguably the best RB on his team which included the Heisman winning RB. He won a National Championship. He's never missed a game.Maybe he doesn't get "it" but, evidently, he gets everything on the football field.I think that is it...a lot of teams kind of feel he "doesn't get it", and it's more from an overall qualitative observation/opinion, than one startling incident.It's been defined to death. Whether one wants to acknowledge them or put any stock into them is another matter.I've been asking for this to be defined for months now.This pick made me sad to be a Titans fan.
We used to be one of those teams that valued character and work ethic, but with Reese realizing his job will soon be gone, he's abandoned that practice in favor of adding any athlete, no matter what their character concerns.
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The issues are that White gives the impression that he just doesn't get it. From not being able to control his weight to what seemed like a totally lackluster pro day benching only more than the punter to making comments he felt the QB from (at the time) his most recent opponent was better than his most recent QB not far off from T.O. pining for Brett Farvre over McNabb.
Perhaps none of those things mean anything at all. We won't know for a while. But those are the issues people are talking about.
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Now, say the same thing about Jerome Bettis and what is the result?
Hi gang,I'd have to disagree there. Guys like T.O. are outstanding on the field. Lawrence Phillips was a beast on the field. I'm not saying White is TO or Phillips, I'm saying I just don't think I can agree with the character : field thing. That usually takes a while to show itself. Most people that just don't get it don't flame out but fizzle out more like a Ryan Leaf type thing.Again, that's a different and more general discussion than with White.J
Well it was two parts.First was his toughness/competitiveness in the game. The second was taking a back seat to Bush. Which clearly TO would never do. White did what was best for USC. He got far less pub then Bush, and it was never an issue. That to me shows some level of character. Especially in today's "me first" attitude.
Thanks gang. That's cool but we'll just disagree. I think it was a lot of smart and experienced NFL guys that got a little gunshy and didn't have a good "gut feel" that he got it. Far from being a "bum". If he winds up in Canton, it surely won't be the first time these guys have missed.
:implants:He was a tub of goo and had manboobs when he took his shirt off. You don't get manboobs in a month, he has to have been working on those for some time.
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You figure too that the manboobs were after he dropped 14 pounds. How much fat do you have to dig through before you actually get to the muscle? 15 bench reps says....a lot.:implants:He was a tub of goo and had manboobs when he took his shirt off. You don't get manboobs in a month, he has to have been working on those for some time.
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Character issues as far as causing problems, no - character issues as far as work ethic, there is strong indication that there was.His RB coach said before the draft that the concerns on his work ethic were legitimate. There were several sources/teammates that said he wasn't very notorious for hitting the weight room, and his manboobs and 15 bench reps sure show that to be the case.
All you have to do is put in one single game tape of White, I don't care which you want to pick. It should strike you as blatently obvious that he does not move or play like a fat man. This is a big/fat man with both INCREDIBLE feat and vision. He runs with outsstanding power and finishes runs. He still manages to prove speedy enough to out run a lot of DBs when you watch his actual football speed.
He may look terrific against college competition. I still think there's legitimate questions about how a guy who refuses to keep himself in any real physical condition is going to be able to compete against NFL competition. And even assuming he can get by, how long can his body hold up like that? He's going to get pounded on at his size....There may be some upside, but there are some very real concerns on this guy too. Like I said, you don't show up with manboobs and benching just more than the punter because you got some bad advice heading into the draft. It happens because you haven't been putting in the time in the weight room for the last 3 years....
Someone who gets it.
