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where will CJ play in 2014?Jets sign him (2 Viewers)
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this is not true.msommer said:
the Titans can take as long as they want. It was discussed and quoted earlier. Feel free to look there or google. They have til the last cut before the season and let "the world" know they'll be patient.
The last common thing they keep saying is they're giving Whisenhunt time to evaluate him and offer his thoughts too.
There is a theory floating about how if all the good teams use their cap to get rolling for training camp-as usually happens- then there won't be a suitor available for CJ to seek his high salary from; at this point, the Titans could offer him an extension with more guaranteed money and a cap friendly number.
cstu
Footballguy
The base salary is not guaranteed. The only dead money is the $4M left from his pro-rated signing bonus.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
They could, but they may need/want the cap relief to sign their own FAs. Maybe they aren't looking to spend the extra cash and will just sit on it till the season starts. But if they ARE interested in a few more FAs, they'll probably need the space pretty soon, and I don't see a TON of gain to be had by hanging on to him. Maybe somebody will give up a low pick for essentially exclusive rights to deal with him first (to reduce his salary), but that's all it would really be considering everybody and his brother knows CJ will not be playing for the Titans this year. It's not like Johnson will settle for a pay cut that ends up significantly lower than he thinks he can get on the open market. There would be no incentive for that.
Titans have CJ-
Leon Washington(re-signed), Jackie Battle(re-signed), Shonn Greene, and Dexter McCluster WR/RB.
This page has them re-signing battle and washington http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/freeagency/?year=2014&team=10&position=9&type=-1
I didn't catch that on any transaction page.
Leon Washington(re-signed), Jackie Battle(re-signed), Shonn Greene, and Dexter McCluster WR/RB.
This page has them re-signing battle and washington http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/freeagency/?year=2014&team=10&position=9&type=-1
I didn't catch that on any transaction page.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Interesting Q, good point.
I would figure it's in their best interest to make sure he's in shape, but minimize risk. No idea how to do that though.
In the last couple days (according to twitter folks) it seems trade ideas have started with some teams but nothing seems at all concrete.
Since in that time, the word's out about Desean and the Eagles wanting a third round pick for him (which I think is ridiculous and every team should then offer a third) what's CJ worth in picks? A second? a third also?
I'm hopeful the Titans are trying to get players instead because I'm not sure CJ can fetch much as far as draft picks.
I wish the Titans would offer a third for Desean-GL to all the teams having CBs fast enough to cover he and wright
duaneok66
Footballguy
not a CJ fan at all.
However, the Titans are playing him. They need to release him if they don't want him - in order to give him ample time to sign elsewhere. If teams are filling their RB slots during FA while the Titans leave him hanging, then it's not fair to CJ.
However, the Titans are playing him. They need to release him if they don't want him - in order to give him ample time to sign elsewhere. If teams are filling their RB slots during FA while the Titans leave him hanging, then it's not fair to CJ.
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msommer
Footballguy
Is CJ being fair saying he will take a pay cut from another team, but not the Titans?
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
Sure, why wouldn't it be fair? The team agreed to pay him X for X years. They say they don't want to pay him that. He is under no obligation to accept new terms, and as such is essentially a free agent (at least in terms of scenarios where his contract will be modified/scrapped). As a FA he is certainly entitled to have a team preference aside from salary.
I'm not saying it's smart, and I might even consider it petty, but I don't see how it's not fair. The "fairest" thing would be for the team and the player to both live up to their agreements. If one party isn't willing to do that, hard to hold the other party to anything at that point.
All that said, I don't have much of a problem with how the Titans are handling it either. Everything they are doing is within their rights as well. Sure, it would have been "nice" of them to release him earlier so he would have a better chance at a big deal, but that would be giving up whatever remote chance they have of getting something in return for him. I think that chance is damn near nil, but as there is no team risk to trying, hard to fault them for that either. If CJ had always been a 100% team oriented guy, it might have played out differently, but as it is, each party is going to try to get whatever they can out of the divorce.
They have given him about 30M over the last three years, and will give him another 4M as a going away present. And quite frankly, he has not remotely been "worth" that. Jamaal Charles has made about 14M in that span. McCoy has made less than 10M. Lynch about 17M. Rice about 12M. Forte about 15M. If that's getting the shaft, sign me up.
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Chris Johnson plans to be at Titans workoutsSmart strategy. The Titans won't want to risk CJ getting hurt during workouts, mini-camps and OTAs and then being on the hook for his $8 million in base salary.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Johnson is an asset, he signed his current contract, and the Titans have zero obligation to him to do anything other than what's best for the team. If they wait until after the draft, the market for Johnson will likely have dried up almost completely, and he might listen to the idea of restructuring at a price more commensurate with his actual contribution. And if not, then the team has really lost nothing. No one was going to trade for that contract, regardless of what anyone is leaking to the press.
KCitons
Footballguy
As a CJ owner, I'm trying to come up with a team where he maintains at least the RB1 (or better than a 50/50 timeshare) Landing spots are drying up with MJD and others signing. Throw out the teams that are cap strapped, I'm having trouble finding a place that I would see as being better than last year.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I don't think its going to happen, but I would like it.
The Nashville Tennessean's Jim Wyatt expects Chris Johnson to eventually land with the Falcons.
Johnson could form an aging one-two punch with Steven Jackson in Atlanta. Wyatt doesn't say whether he expects Johnson to be traded to the Falcons, or sign with them after getting cut, but he's a highly reliable beat reporter and we'd take his projection seriously. It would be a tough spot for CJ?K's fantasy outlook due to the presence of Jackson and a weak offensive line.
And Roto, Jackson would be cut within hours of that trade
The Nashville Tennessean's Jim Wyatt expects Chris Johnson to eventually land with the Falcons.
Johnson could form an aging one-two punch with Steven Jackson in Atlanta. Wyatt doesn't say whether he expects Johnson to be traded to the Falcons, or sign with them after getting cut, but he's a highly reliable beat reporter and we'd take his projection seriously. It would be a tough spot for CJ?K's fantasy outlook due to the presence of Jackson and a weak offensive line.
And Roto, Jackson would be cut within hours of that trade
KCitons
Footballguy
Now there's this. Not sure I believe 90% of what La Canfora says. I stopped following him on Twitter last year.
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 9m
Titans very likely to release RB Chris Johnson next week after failed trade attempts. Would draw strong interest as FA as DeSean Jackson did
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 9m
Titans very likely to release RB Chris Johnson next week after failed trade attempts. Would draw strong interest as FA as DeSean Jackson did
cstu
Footballguy
Robinson or Matthews would be a massive upgrade at tackle. Of the remaining situations I like Atlanta the best for CJ.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
His first 2-3 years he was a far better short yardage runner than people spoke about. Since then, he's been exactly how people said. IMO he's arguably the best ever when he sees daylight; the rest of the time he's quite questionable.
I don't know contracts but if it's affordable, the Falcons would be wise to keep Jax. They could play to both strengths.
With CJ though, as the D breaks down he sees the daylight and he's gone. We all understand that, but we're talking about 1 in 20? plays where this happens. It's not like you can put him in and some LBers will fall down or react poorly on purpose. He has to have those ugh short runs until the D reacts poorly to get the long gainers.
CJ needs a good RB coach and a willingness to relearn the short game. Sylvester Croom is someone I've always appreciated. He would have a good RB coach in TEN if he stays. We all can name a list of Panthers that didn't become studs under Skipper and draw a line to CJ underperforming. (I suppose I'll never know but) I'm curious if Croom could have helped CJ.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Now Atl is playing the "we're not interested" card... until hes released of course
A source with knowledge of the situation tells Profootballtalk.com the Falcons have "no interest" in Chris Johnson.
The Johnson-to-Atlanta rumor got rolling last week when the Nashville Tennessean predicted that's where Johnson would land. PFT has ties to the Falcons' organization, however, as new assistant GM Scott Pioli is a former NBC employee. So we'd take Mike Florio's word pretty seriously here. CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora has reported Johnson will "very likely" be cut this week.
A source with knowledge of the situation tells Profootballtalk.com the Falcons have "no interest" in Chris Johnson.
The Johnson-to-Atlanta rumor got rolling last week when the Nashville Tennessean predicted that's where Johnson would land. PFT has ties to the Falcons' organization, however, as new assistant GM Scott Pioli is a former NBC employee. So we'd take Mike Florio's word pretty seriously here. CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora has reported Johnson will "very likely" be cut this week.
jurb26
Footballguy
Segal says Chris Johnson will be gone from the TitansPosted by Mike Florio on April 2, 2014, 10:47 PM EDT
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Johnson still has great speed once he gets a little space to run. All one has to do is look at his long TD catches last year or his first Q TD run against Indy on that Thursday night game (where he got outside quickly and it was over). No, he is not a guy who will make something out of nothing, but in the right offense, with a good offensive line, he can still be really productive.
cstu
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
Dawg Pound 69
Footballguy
If he gets a deal heavy on incentives, he should surprise us with a great season. Money has always been more of a motivating factor for him than most players.
salmonstud
Footballguy
I think CJ is going to be a JET
salmonstud
Footballguy
The question is not where we would like to see him land....it's where we think he will be in 2014.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Does Denver even have any cap room left?
Spin
Footballguy
They seem to be using a different cap then everyone else, so I'm sure they have plenty.
CJ playing for Denver would be scary. Facing nothing but 6 man boxes, with the defense spread out to cover the pass, he'd have a lot of open space to work with.
Just can't see it, although I wouldn't have guessed many of their moves this off season. At some point they have to run out of cap room, and he doesn't strike me as a guy who would bend over backwards to make it work financially.
Do you realize what organization you're talking about? It's more likely to happen if it doesn't make sense.
Seriously though, I don't think it's a horrible fit- Murray still can't stay healthy for a full season, and his contract is up after this one.
MattFancy
Footballguy
True, it smells like a Dallas move.
Murray stayed pretty healthy last year and IIRC, Randle did a nice job when he needed to fill in. I feel like Johnson wants to go somewhere he still has a chance to start or see a good amount of carries. I don't think Dallas fits for him.
Eh, he still missed 2 1/2 games and only had 217 carries (a career high), and he still is a free agent after the season. I don't think it's likely he ends up there either, but if they throw decent money at him, I could definitely see it. He probably thinks he'll beat out Murray for the starting job.
