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Wild card seeding within the draft (1 Viewer)

Jiggyonthehut

Footballguy
Any info on this would be appreciated. Do they go by wins or what? I tried looking into last year's draft, but the info there was inconclusive. Feel free to delete and redirect. Thanks!

 

Tabasco Red

Footballguy
I don't know if they changed it or not but last year it was strictly based on your w/l record regardless of the playoffs (excluding the Superbowl teams, they're 31 & 32).The Ravens (9-7) had a better record than STL or MIN(I think). Anyway, one of them was 8-8, and made the playoffs as a wild card team, but they still drafted before Baltimore, even though they were a playoff team. I was kind of pissed and wondering if they had changed this or not.Not a firm answer, but that's how they did it last year.ETA: MIN and STL were both 8-8 and made the playoffs as wildcard teams.They drafted 18 & 19 respectively and Baltimore (9-7) drafted 22. I still contend we got screwed on that deal. If your team makes the playoffs, you've got a shot at the Superbowl. You should be drafting at the 20 spot or later (12 teams make the playoffs).BTW, Jax got screwed too. I forget how Dal and Oak came by their late round 05 draft picks though.

 
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Jiggyonthehut

Footballguy
Well the interesting thing is GB, Seatle, Denver (who traded it to the Skins) and Chargers- four of the wildcard losers last year, ended up going in a row- seemingly regardless of their W-L. Just something to fuel the fire.

 

Tabasco Red

Footballguy
Well the interesting thing is GB, Seatle, Denver (who traded it to the Skins) and Chargers- four of the wildcard losers last year, ended up going in a row- seemingly regardless of their W-L. Just something to fuel the fire.
I'm pretty sure they're just ordered by w/l record and whatever tiebreakers they use. Here's picks 18-32 and their w/l record.
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Pick	Team 	 Record18	Minnesota Vikings	8-819	St. Louis Rams  8-820	Dallas Cowboys  6-10 (aquired in 2003)21	Jacksonville Jaguars	9-722	Baltimore Ravens	9-723	Seattle Seahawks	9-724	Green Bay Packers	10-625	Denver Broncos  10-626	New York Jets  10-627	Atlanta Falcons  11-528	San Diego Chargers	12-429	Indianapolis Colts	12-430	Pittsburgh Steelers	15-131	Philadelphia Eagles	13-332	New England Patriots	14-2
 

RandyDB

Footballguy
This is from NFL.com

TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING

If two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied, subject to the following exceptions for playoff clubs:

1. The Super Bowl winner is last and the Super Bowl loser next-to-last.

2. Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie shall be assigned priority within its segment below that of non-playoff clubs and in the order that the playoff clubs exited from the playoffs. Thus, within a tied segment a playoff club that loses in the Wild-Card game will have priority over a playoff club that loses in the Divisional playoff game, which in turn will have priority over a club that loses in the Conference Championship game. If two tied clubs exited the playoffs in the same round, the tie is broken by strength of schedule.

If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.

so it seems the 4 teams that lose this weekend will be seeded by SOS no matter what their regular season record was. However, it doesn'e say if the SOS includes playoff games or if it is the regular season ending SOS.

 

Jiggyonthehut

Footballguy
This is from NFL.com

TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING

If two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied, subject to the following exceptions for playoff clubs:

1. The Super Bowl winner is last and the Super Bowl loser next-to-last.

2. Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie shall be assigned priority within its segment below that of non-playoff clubs and in the order that the playoff clubs exited from the playoffs. Thus, within a tied segment a playoff club that loses in the Wild-Card game will have priority over a playoff club that loses in the Divisional playoff game, which in turn will have priority over a club that loses in the Conference Championship game. If two tied clubs exited the playoffs in the same round, the tie is broken by strength of schedule.

If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.

so it seems the 4 teams that lose this weekend will be seeded by SOS no matter what their regular season record was. However, it doesn'e say if the SOS includes playoff games or if it is the regular season ending SOS.
:goodposting: but it still leaves a question in the air. It will be seeded in order of SOS, but from strongest to weakest, or vice versa? As it went weakest SOS to strongest in determining the seeding of non-playoff teams who had tied W-L records, can we assume that the same system will be used here? Also, in assuming SOS ties, does the league adopt the same rules that apply to conference and divisional records (see Oakland and San Franscico) where the weaker record drafts earlier?If, so then we can assume the following order (assuming they mean regular season SOS)

Carolina Panthers (assuming a wildcard loss)**

Tampa Bay (as early as first, no later than second)**

Jacksonville Jaguars (as early as second, no later than third)

Cincinatti Bengals (assuming a wildcard loss)

Pittsburg Steelers (assuming a wildcard loss)**

New York Giants (assuming a wildcard loss)**

-----When a team wins today, they can be removed from the list and all teams below them can be bumped up one spot.

** denotes a SOS tie that is broken by conference/divisional records. Carolina has a worst conference and divisional record than Tampa Bay and Pittsburg has a worse conference record than do the Giants- in their respective conferences.

 
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Jiggyonthehut

Footballguy
Bump. As an informational question I have no qualms in bringing this to the top as I would like some input and hopefully some answers on this. Any chance this can be pinned? TIA.

 

Jiggyonthehut

Footballguy
:goodposting: but it still leaves a question in the air. It will be seeded in order of SOS, but from strongest to weakest, or vice versa? As it went weakest SOS to strongest in determining the seeding of non-playoff teams who had tied W-L records, can we assume that the same system will be used here? Also, in assuming SOS ties, does the league adopt the same rules that apply to conference and divisional records (see Oakland and San Franscico) where the weaker record drafts earlier?

If, so then we can assume the following order (assuming they mean regular season SOS)

Carolina Panthers (assuming a wildcard loss)**

Tampa Bay (as early as first, no later than second)**

Jacksonville Jaguars (as early as second, no later than third)

Cincinatti Bengals (assuming a wildcard loss)

Pittsburg Steelers (assuming a wildcard loss)**

New York Giants (assuming a wildcard loss)**
Looks like the G-men get the short end of the stick here. The order, if this hold true is Tampa at #21, Jacksonville at #22, Cincy at #23 and then NY comming in at #24.
 
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