WR CeeDee Lamb, DAL (4 Viewers)

[Gally]

But looking at it today

in order for that to be valid, you have to compile all trades to determine that one has a special ability in identifying unique FF talent.

for every Lamb someone trades up to get, someone also trades up to get a Jalen Raegor or Jerry Jeudy.

When I am evaluating my talent evaluation process I don't care about what other people do because that isn't relevant to my process.

In this case @Hot Sauce Guy had a plan and went after the guy he thought was a huge value at that draft stage. He paid what it took to get the guy he believed in. Then he compared it to the actual picks selected from the picks he gave away. It proved to not be an overpay in hindsight just giving him a data point for his talent evaluations. What other people trade for is irrelevant to that evaluation.

 

[Dez]

But looking at it today

in order for that to be valid, you have to compile all trades to determine that one has a special ability in identifying unique FF talent.

for every Lamb someone trades up to get, someone also trades up to get a Jalen Raegor or Jerry Jeudy.

I did both in the same draft first I traded up to pick 4 to take Lamb (passing up Reagor) then I traded up to pick 8 to take Jeudy (passing up Jefferson)

WIn some lose some.

 

[Gally]

But looking at it today

in order for that to be valid, you have to compile all trades to determine that one has a special ability in identifying unique FF talent.

for every Lamb someone trades up to get, someone also trades up to get a Jalen Raegor or Jerry Jeudy.

I did both in the same draft first I traded up to pick 4 to take Lamb (passing up Reagor) then I traded up to pick 8 to take Jeudy (passing up Jefferson)

WIn some lose some.

This particular trade was not to get a rookie Lamb. It was to get Lamb last year after he showed what he could do in the NFL for future rookie picks of unknown players.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But looking at it today

in order for that to be valid, you have to compile all trades to determine that one has a special ability in identifying unique FF talent.

for every Lamb someone trades up to get, someone also trades up to get a Jalen Raegor or Jerry Jeudy.

I did both in the same draft first I traded up to pick 4 to take Lamb (passing up Reagor) then I traded up to pick 8 to take Jeudy (passing up Jefferson)

WIn some lose some.

This particular trade was not to get a rookie Lamb. It was to get Lamb last year after he showed what he could do in the NFL for future rookie picks of unknown players.

Exactly. No way I make that deal for a rookie.

 

[Snoopy]

Per Rapoport, Lamb is not reporting to camp.

 

[travdogg]

Looks like Lamb is about to sign 4/136.

 

[Terpman22]

Looks like Lamb is about to sign 4/136.

nice to see some movement on this

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Looks like Lamb is about to sign 4/136.

Link?

 

[Jail]

Doesn't seem to be accurate https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/ceedee-lamb-contract-rumor-disputed-dallas-cowboys-reporters

 

[BassNBrew]

I've already be scare off in one draft and taken Hill. For better or worse I've gone by the theory that you can't win your draft in the first round but you can lose it. Anyone else getting jittery in their early drafts?

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I've already be scare off in one draft and taken Hill. For better or worse I've gone by the theory that you can't win your draft in the first round but you can lose it. Anyone else getting jittery in their early drafts?

There doesn't seem to be too much pessimism in and around DAL even if the immenency of the rumor is false.

Even Clarence Hill Jr. who disputed the rumor expressed confidence that a deal gets done.

 

[Gally]

I've already be scare off in one draft and taken Hill. For better or worse I've gone by the theory that you can't win your draft in the first round but you can lose it. Anyone else getting jittery in their early drafts?

In a dynasty salary cap league I have Lamb ($45 out of $250 cap) and have started inquiring about acquiring ARSB (also $45 out of $250) and moving Lamb for the stability. It likely won't materialize but the thought has at least crossed my mind.

 

[massraider]

x.com

x.com

This is gonna be a big mess

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

x.com

x.com

This is gonna be a big mess

More please. This slow implosion for the past 30 years has been a joy to watch.

 

[massraider]

x.com

x.com

This is gonna be a big mess

More please. This slow implosion for the past 30 years has been a joy to watch.

Live forever Jerry

 

[eighsse2]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

 

[Ilov80s]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

 

[eighsse2]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

 

[Ilov80s]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Sure and Lamb has no obligation to return to the team next year. I’m sure the Giants or Commanders would love to pay him. This isn’t like a contract you signed with your lawn care company. He’s trying to make a deal with the cornerstone of the team.

 

[Soulfly3]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Don't players sign contracts that they'll work, but cut by owners/mgmt instead?

These non-guaranteed contracts are the most ridiculous thing ever. And the reason the sport is at the point it's at now.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Don't players sign contracts that they'll work, but cut by owners/mgmt instead?

These non-guaranteed contracts are the most ridiculous thing ever. And the reason the sport is at the point it's at now.

Quite odd that the most physical sport (of the big four) does not have guaranteed contracts. Greed runs rampant and I do not blame the players for getting what they can. Annoying for fans of a player/team, but why would you not try to grab the bucket as soon as you can knowing what your body has to endure?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Name	Year (pick)	Team	Pro Bowl?	Career AV	Status
Henry Ruggs	2020 (12th)	Las Vegas Raiders	lol	8	voided - incarcerated
Jerry Jeudy	2020 (15th)	Denver Broncos Cleveland Browns	no	24	3 yr 58M 41M GTD
CeeDee Lamb	2020 (17th)	Dallas Cowboys	3x	53	impasse - 5th year option
Jalen Reagor	2020 (21st)	Philadelphia Eagles Minnesota Vikings New England Patritots	nope	10	resigned by NE to practice squad, resigned to be their return specialist in 2024
Justin Jefferson	2020 (22nd)	Minnesota Vikings	3x, 1st Team All Pro	49	4 yr 140M 110M GTD
Brandon Aiyuk	2020 (25th)	San Francisco 49ers Pittsburg Steelers?	0 PB, 2nd Team All Pro	39	impasse 5th year option trade & sign imminent
Tee Higgins	2020 (33rd)	Cincinnati Bengals	0	33	2024 franchise tag
Michael Pittman	2020 (34th)	Indianapolis Colts	0	34	3 yr 71.5M 46M GTD
Ja'Marr Chase	2021 (5th)	Cincinnati Bengals	3x	35	5th year option
Jaylen Waddle	2021 (6th)	Miami Dolphins	0	29	3 yr 84.75M 76M GTD
DeVonta Smith	2021 (10th)	Philadelphia Eagles	0	34	3 yr 75M 51M GTD
Nico Collins	2021 (89th)	Houston Texans	0	18	3 yr 75M 52M GTD
Amon-Ra St Brown	2022 (112th)	Detroit Lions	2x, 1st Team All Pro	36	4 ye 120M 77M GTD

3 WRs from Lamb's class have been resigned, another is imminent.

4 WRs from the following class have been extended, two of them with 2 years remaining on their rookie contract.

TBF, 5 of those contract were lower Tier deals. CeeDee (+ maybe Aiyuk?) is def going to be - deservedly - in the $30M + category.

Should have locked him up last year when it would have been way cheaper. Let DET, MIA and MIN set the marketplace. Price went up the longer they waited.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

What's more important to Jerry at the moment, and that moment will fade as we draw close to the regular season is that 13-4 with a 1st round playoff exit isn't going to earn easy contract negotiations. CD's deal should be simple at this juncture, but I think Jerry wants to make this deal difficult purposefully. He'll cave at some point prior to the reg season.

But I do think he's willing to let Dak walk if they don't experience playoff success.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Trade them all! (Dak/Micah/Lamb)

Yes Dak has a no trade clause but find a team he’s happy to go to.

 

[massraider]

Trade them all! (Dak/Micah/Lamb)

Yes Dak has a no trade clause but find a team he’s happy to go to.

I must say, I am really fascinated to see how they are handling/wind up handling Micah and Lamb.

Dak has dominated the chat, but really, it's not a crazy story. One could see how the team got here with him, it has happened before with other QBs, and will happen again. There is room for a wide range of opinions on Dak, in my mind.

Not so with the other two guys. They play the most important spots on the team, outside of QB. You drafted them, they turned into what you wanted them to be, if not better.

You cannot really say they are messing up with MIcah, they only have just been able to offer him an extension. But Lamb is getting to a range where it does not make sense. The parameters have already been in place, by allllll these other WR.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Trade them all! (Dak/Micah/Lamb)

Yes Dak has a no trade clause but find a team he’s happy to go to.

I must say, I am really fascinated to see how they are handling/wind up handling Micah and Lamb.

Dak has dominated the chat, but really, it's not a crazy story. One could see how the team got here with him, it has happened before with other QBs, and will happen again. There is room for a wide range of opinions on Dak, in my mind.

Not so with the other two guys. They play the most important spots on the team, outside of QB. You drafted them, they turned into what you wanted them to be, if not better.

You cannot really say they are messing up with MIcah, they only have just been able to offer him an extension. But Lamb is getting to a range where it does not make sense. The parameters have already been in place, by allllll these other WR.

Smartest guy in the room (Jones) outsmarting himself. With the amount of talented receivers up for contract it should have been a race to sign your guy. Not Jones, waits until the market caps out. I hope they end up paying Ceedee $40 million a year.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Trade them all! (Dak/Micah/Lamb)

Yes Dak has a no trade clause but find a team he’s happy to go to.

I must say, I am really fascinated to see how they are handling/wind up handling Micah and Lamb.

Dak has dominated the chat, but really, it's not a crazy story. One could see how the team got here with him, it has happened before with other QBs, and will happen again. There is room for a wide range of opinions on Dak, in my mind.

Not so with the other two guys. They play the most important spots on the team, outside of QB. You drafted them, they turned into what you wanted them to be, if not better.

You cannot really say they are messing up with MIcah, they only have just been able to offer him an extension. But Lamb is getting to a range where it does not make sense. The parameters have already been in place, by allllll these other WR.

Smartest guy in the room (Jones) outsmarting himself. With the amount of talented receivers up for contract it should have been a race to sign your guy. Not Jones, waits until the market caps out. I hope they end up paying Ceedee $40 million a year.

I agree with this, but also wonder if CeeDee's camp was not willing to accept or sign anything until the market settled to see where they stand?

 

[King of the Jungle]

Trade them all! (Dak/Micah/Lamb)

Yes Dak has a no trade clause but find a team he’s happy to go to.

I must say, I am really fascinated to see how they are handling/wind up handling Micah and Lamb.

Dak has dominated the chat, but really, it's not a crazy story. One could see how the team got here with him, it has happened before with other QBs, and will happen again. There is room for a wide range of opinions on Dak, in my mind.

Not so with the other two guys. They play the most important spots on the team, outside of QB. You drafted them, they turned into what you wanted them to be, if not better.

You cannot really say they are messing up with MIcah, they only have just been able to offer him an extension. But Lamb is getting to a range where it does not make sense. The parameters have already been in place, by allllll these other WR.

Smartest guy in the room (Jones) outsmarting himself. With the amount of talented receivers up for contract it should have been a race to sign your guy. Not Jones, waits until the market caps out. I hope they end up paying Ceedee $40 million a year.

I agree with this, but also wonder if CeeDee's camp was not willing to accept or sign anything until the market settled to see where they stand?

This is a valid point, and what we as fans do not have any details on. I am only here to speculate and hurl jabs at Jerry Jones when I can.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Stephen at the same time Jerry was talking outside

 

[Terpman22]

Trade them all! (Dak/Micah/Lamb)

Yes Dak has a no trade clause but find a team he’s happy to go to.

I must say, I am really fascinated to see how they are handling/wind up handling Micah and Lamb.

Dak has dominated the chat, but really, it's not a crazy story. One could see how the team got here with him, it has happened before with other QBs, and will happen again. There is room for a wide range of opinions on Dak, in my mind.

Not so with the other two guys. They play the most important spots on the team, outside of QB. You drafted them, they turned into what you wanted them to be, if not better.

You cannot really say they are messing up with MIcah, they only have just been able to offer him an extension. But Lamb is getting to a range where it does not make sense. The parameters have already been in place, by allllll these other WR.

Smartest guy in the room (Jones) outsmarting himself. With the amount of talented receivers up for contract it should have been a race to sign your guy. Not Jones, waits until the market caps out. I hope they end up paying Ceedee $40 million a year.

Jerry just can't sit back and not be talked about. That's all this is. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Stephen at the same time Jerry was talking outside

Later on when Jerry saw him

 

[eighsse2]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Sure and Lamb has no obligation to return to the team next year. I’m sure the Giants or Commanders would love to pay him. This isn’t like a contract you signed with your lawn care company. He’s trying to make a deal with the cornerstone of the team.

And next year doesn't start until next year. This is this year. Nothing needs to be done.

 

[Ilov80s]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Sure and Lamb has no obligation to return to the team next year. I’m sure the Giants or Commanders would love to pay him. This isn’t like a contract you signed with your lawn care company. He’s trying to make a deal with the cornerstone of the team.

And next year doesn't start until next year. This is this year. Nothing needs to be done.

Sure but angering and alienating one of your 3 best and most popular players is a stupid way to run a team. But sure he doesn’t have to do anything.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Stephen at the same time Jerry was talking outside

Later on when Jerry saw him

 

[eighsse2]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Sure and Lamb has no obligation to return to the team next year. I’m sure the Giants or Commanders would love to pay him. This isn’t like a contract you signed with your lawn care company. He’s trying to make a deal with the cornerstone of the team.

And next year doesn't start until next year. This is this year. Nothing needs to be done.

Sure but angering and alienating one of your 3 best and most popular players is a stupid way to run a team. But sure he doesn’t have to do anything.

Could you not also say angering and alienating the organization that pays your bills and has already set you up to retire beyond luxury today at 25 if you wanted is a stupid way to run a life?

Not really even trying to take sides, but I don't get why the perception is always that the owners are the ones making the negotiations difficult.

 

[Terpman22]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Sure and Lamb has no obligation to return to the team next year. I’m sure the Giants or Commanders would love to pay him. This isn’t like a contract you signed with your lawn care company. He’s trying to make a deal with the cornerstone of the team.

And next year doesn't start until next year. This is this year. Nothing needs to be done.

Sure but angering and alienating one of your 3 best and most popular players is a stupid way to run a team. But sure he doesn’t have to do anything.

Could you not also say angering and alienating the organization that pays your bills and has already set you up to retire beyond luxury today at 25 if you wanted is a stupid way to run a life?

Not really even trying to take sides, but I don't get why the perception is always that the owners are the ones making the negotiations difficult.

My favorite part of drawn out player negotiations are these moments when the fans turn on their best players and make excuses and side with the billionaires.

 

[joey]

Stephen at the same time Jerry was talking outside

Later on when Jerry saw him

Literally knew what the clip was going to be before I clicked the link

 

[eighsse2]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Sure and Lamb has no obligation to return to the team next year. I’m sure the Giants or Commanders would love to pay him. This isn’t like a contract you signed with your lawn care company. He’s trying to make a deal with the cornerstone of the team.

And next year doesn't start until next year. This is this year. Nothing needs to be done.

Sure but angering and alienating one of your 3 best and most popular players is a stupid way to run a team. But sure he doesn’t have to do anything.

Could you not also say angering and alienating the organization that pays your bills and has already set you up to retire beyond luxury today at 25 if you wanted is a stupid way to run a life?

Not really even trying to take sides, but I don't get why the perception is always that the owners are the ones making the negotiations difficult.

My favorite part of drawn out player negotiations are these moments when the fans turn on their best players and make excuses and side with the billionaires.

"Turn on their best players", "side with billionaires", I don't really understand that statement. Approaching this from a rational, central viewpoint, I see no reason to assume that either side is doing the other side wrong. It's a negotiation. We don't even know what has been offered or rejected by either side.

 

[Ilov80s]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Sure and Lamb has no obligation to return to the team next year. I’m sure the Giants or Commanders would love to pay him. This isn’t like a contract you signed with your lawn care company. He’s trying to make a deal with the cornerstone of the team.

And next year doesn't start until next year. This is this year. Nothing needs to be done.

Sure but angering and alienating one of your 3 best and most popular players is a stupid way to run a team. But sure he doesn’t have to do anything.

Could you not also say angering and alienating the organization that pays your bills and has already set you up to retire beyond luxury today at 25 if you wanted is a stupid way to run a life?

Not really even trying to take sides, but I don't get why the perception is always that the owners are the ones making the negotiations difficult.

Because this is how most of the rest of the league operates with marquee players- they sign them before their contract runs out. It’s good for the team because the club gets them cheaper the earlier they do it. The price is only going up. It’s also good for the team because it prevents another team from stealing them away. It’s good for the player because they get the protection in case there is a catastrophic injury. Sure the Cowboys have paid him well but so would 31 other NFL teams. He was a coveted 1st round pick who has lived up to the hype. Every team in the league wants him. He’s not some UDFA Dallas saved from the XFL. He’s making them a lot of money. It’s a mutually beneficial arrangement but obviously Dallas is choosing to handle their players different than most every team. You have to imagine Dak and Micah are looking at this situation shaking their heads as well.

 

[Terpman22]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Sure and Lamb has no obligation to return to the team next year. I’m sure the Giants or Commanders would love to pay him. This isn’t like a contract you signed with your lawn care company. He’s trying to make a deal with the cornerstone of the team.

And next year doesn't start until next year. This is this year. Nothing needs to be done.

Sure but angering and alienating one of your 3 best and most popular players is a stupid way to run a team. But sure he doesn’t have to do anything.

Could you not also say angering and alienating the organization that pays your bills and has already set you up to retire beyond luxury today at 25 if you wanted is a stupid way to run a life?

Not really even trying to take sides, but I don't get why the perception is always that the owners are the ones making the negotiations difficult.

My favorite part of drawn out player negotiations are these moments when the fans turn on their best players and make excuses and side with the billionaires.

"Turn on their best players", "side with billionaires", I don't really understand that statement. Approaching this from a rational, central viewpoint, I see no reason to assume that either side is doing the other side wrong. It's a negotiation. We don't even know what has been offered or rejected by either side.

I am not talking about you specifically per se, but from social media, friends etc. The drumbeat is now getting louder to the tune of "You signed the contract, you are under contract CD, you have nothing to be mad about. You're a millionaire! You are so lucky to be a millionaire and even luckier to be a Dallas Cowboy!"

It happens pretty much every time something like this does. Check how Brandon Aiyuk/Niners fans viewed him pre and post contract dispute.

Check out the Cowboys/Dak thread, see how those guys are now basically willing Jerry to let Dak walk.

Not always exactly the same, but the theme usually ends up the same to "You signed a contract, go play"

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Trade them all! (Dak/Micah/Lamb)

Yes Dak has a no trade clause but find a team he’s happy to go to.

I must say, I am really fascinated to see how they are handling/wind up handling Micah and Lamb.

Dak has dominated the chat, but really, it's not a crazy story. One could see how the team got here with him, it has happened before with other QBs, and will happen again. There is room for a wide range of opinions on Dak, in my mind.

Not so with the other two guys. They play the most important spots on the team, outside of QB. You drafted them, they turned into what you wanted them to be, if not better.

You cannot really say they are messing up with MIcah, they only have just been able to offer him an extension. But Lamb is getting to a range where it does not make sense. The parameters have already been in place, by allllll these other WR.

Smartest guy in the room (Jones) outsmarting himself. With the amount of talented receivers up for contract it should have been a race to sign your guy. Not Jones, waits until the market caps out. I hope they end up paying Ceedee $40 million a year.

I agree with this, but also wonder if CeeDee's camp was not willing to accept or sign anything until the market settled to see where they stand?

This is a valid point, and what we as fans do not have any details on. I am only here to speculate and hurl jabs at Jerry Jones when I can.

Nothing wrong with hurling jabs at Jerruh.... LOL

 

[menobrown]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Sure and Lamb has no obligation to return to the team next year. I’m sure the Giants or Commanders would love to pay him. This isn’t like a contract you signed with your lawn care company. He’s trying to make a deal with the cornerstone of the team.

And next year doesn't start until next year. This is this year. Nothing needs to be done.

Sure but angering and alienating one of your 3 best and most popular players is a stupid way to run a team. But sure he doesn’t have to do anything.

Could you not also say angering and alienating the organization that pays your bills and has already set you up to retire beyond luxury today at 25 if you wanted is a stupid way to run a life?

Not really even trying to take sides, but I don't get why the perception is always that the owners are the ones making the negotiations difficult.

Because this is how most of the rest of the league operates with marquee players- they sign them before their contract runs out. It’s good for the team because the club gets them cheaper the earlier they do it. The price is only going up. It’s also good for the team because it prevents another team from stealing them away. It’s good for the player because they get the protection in case there is a catastrophic injury. Sure the Cowboys have paid him well but so would 31 other NFL teams. He was a coveted 1st round pick who has lived up to the hype. Every team in the league wants him. He’s not some UDFA Dallas saved from the XFL. He’s making them a lot of money. It’s a mutually beneficial arrangement but obviously Dallas is choosing to handle their players different than most every team. You have to imagine Dak and Micah are looking at this situation shaking their heads as well.

But also part of that equation is when teams sign players to long term deals they guarantee a large amount up front. If the player stinks, fails to perform, gets hurt, the team still owes those guarantees. It's a one sided risk. This risk is enahanced when you are signing players before their contracts run out.

 

[eighsse2]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Sure and Lamb has no obligation to return to the team next year. I’m sure the Giants or Commanders would love to pay him. This isn’t like a contract you signed with your lawn care company. He’s trying to make a deal with the cornerstone of the team.

And next year doesn't start until next year. This is this year. Nothing needs to be done.

Sure but angering and alienating one of your 3 best and most popular players is a stupid way to run a team. But sure he doesn’t have to do anything.

Could you not also say angering and alienating the organization that pays your bills and has already set you up to retire beyond luxury today at 25 if you wanted is a stupid way to run a life?

Not really even trying to take sides, but I don't get why the perception is always that the owners are the ones making the negotiations difficult.

Because this is how most of the rest of the league operates with marquee players- they sign them before their contract runs out. It’s good for the team because the club gets them cheaper the earlier they do it. The price is only going up. It’s also good for the team because it prevents another team from stealing them away. It’s good for the player because they get the protection in case there is a catastrophic injury. Sure the Cowboys have paid him well but so would 31 other NFL teams. He was a coveted 1st round pick who has lived up to the hype. Every team in the league wants him. He’s not some UDFA Dallas saved from the XFL. He’s making them a lot of money. It’s a mutually beneficial arrangement but obviously Dallas is choosing to handle their players different than most every team. You have to imagine Dak and Micah are looking at this situation shaking their heads as well.

But also part of that equation is when teams sign players to long term deals they guarantee a large amount up front. If the player stinks, fails to perform, gets hurt, the team still owes those guarantees. It's a one sided risk. This risk is enahanced when you are signing players before their contracts run out.

True. Can you imagine the kind of work you would get out of a McDonald's or Walmart employee if the bulk of his wages were guaranteed for the next 5 years, lol (or to compare to the proportion of the length of a typical NFL contract versus NFL career length, you could even say wages guaranteed for 25 years). Not apples to apples, and I know you're talking about other things than players checking out once they get paid, but that's totally one of the risks.

 

[Ilov80s]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Sure and Lamb has no obligation to return to the team next year. I’m sure the Giants or Commanders would love to pay him. This isn’t like a contract you signed with your lawn care company. He’s trying to make a deal with the cornerstone of the team.

And next year doesn't start until next year. This is this year. Nothing needs to be done.

Sure but angering and alienating one of your 3 best and most popular players is a stupid way to run a team. But sure he doesn’t have to do anything.

Could you not also say angering and alienating the organization that pays your bills and has already set you up to retire beyond luxury today at 25 if you wanted is a stupid way to run a life?

Not really even trying to take sides, but I don't get why the perception is always that the owners are the ones making the negotiations difficult.

Because this is how most of the rest of the league operates with marquee players- they sign them before their contract runs out. It’s good for the team because the club gets them cheaper the earlier they do it. The price is only going up. It’s also good for the team because it prevents another team from stealing them away. It’s good for the player because they get the protection in case there is a catastrophic injury. Sure the Cowboys have paid him well but so would 31 other NFL teams. He was a coveted 1st round pick who has lived up to the hype. Every team in the league wants him. He’s not some UDFA Dallas saved from the XFL. He’s making them a lot of money. It’s a mutually beneficial arrangement but obviously Dallas is choosing to handle their players different than most every team. You have to imagine Dak and Micah are looking at this situation shaking their heads as well.

But also part of that equation is when teams sign players to long term deals they guarantee a large amount up front. If the player stinks, fails to perform, gets hurt, the team still owes those guarantees. It's a one sided risk. This risk is enahanced when you are signing players before their contracts run out.

It’s really not that much guaranteed up front. Like Amon Ra’s deal was for an average of 30 mill a year. Only 34 is guaranteed though. So yes the team is risking a lot up front but if Amon Ra gets hurt or decides he doesn’t want hard anymore, he’s going to lose out on the other 70 million of this contract plus lord knows how much his deal could be worth. The players in these scenarios stand to lose way way more from decline in performance.

 

[Terpman22]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Sure and Lamb has no obligation to return to the team next year. I’m sure the Giants or Commanders would love to pay him. This isn’t like a contract you signed with your lawn care company. He’s trying to make a deal with the cornerstone of the team.

And next year doesn't start until next year. This is this year. Nothing needs to be done.

Sure but angering and alienating one of your 3 best and most popular players is a stupid way to run a team. But sure he doesn’t have to do anything.

Could you not also say angering and alienating the organization that pays your bills and has already set you up to retire beyond luxury today at 25 if you wanted is a stupid way to run a life?

Not really even trying to take sides, but I don't get why the perception is always that the owners are the ones making the negotiations difficult.

Because this is how most of the rest of the league operates with marquee players- they sign them before their contract runs out. It’s good for the team because the club gets them cheaper the earlier they do it. The price is only going up. It’s also good for the team because it prevents another team from stealing them away. It’s good for the player because they get the protection in case there is a catastrophic injury. Sure the Cowboys have paid him well but so would 31 other NFL teams. He was a coveted 1st round pick who has lived up to the hype. Every team in the league wants him. He’s not some UDFA Dallas saved from the XFL. He’s making them a lot of money. It’s a mutually beneficial arrangement but obviously Dallas is choosing to handle their players different than most every team. You have to imagine Dak and Micah are looking at this situation shaking their heads as well.

But also part of that equation is when teams sign players to long term deals they guarantee a large amount up front. If the player stinks, fails to perform, gets hurt, the team still owes those guarantees. It's a one sided risk. This risk is enahanced when you are signing players before their contracts run out.

True. Can you imagine the kind of work you would get out of a McDonald's or Walmart employee if the bulk of his wages were guaranteed for the next 5 years, lol (or to compare to the proportion of the length of a typical NFL contract versus NFL career length, you could even say wages guaranteed for 25 years). Not apples to apples, and I know you're talking about other things than players checking out once they get paid, but that's totally one of the risks.

Allow those workers to get a Union, like CD Lamb enjoys and see what could happen!

 

[Ilov80s]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Sure and Lamb has no obligation to return to the team next year. I’m sure the Giants or Commanders would love to pay him. This isn’t like a contract you signed with your lawn care company. He’s trying to make a deal with the cornerstone of the team.

And next year doesn't start until next year. This is this year. Nothing needs to be done.

Sure but angering and alienating one of your 3 best and most popular players is a stupid way to run a team. But sure he doesn’t have to do anything.

Could you not also say angering and alienating the organization that pays your bills and has already set you up to retire beyond luxury today at 25 if you wanted is a stupid way to run a life?

Not really even trying to take sides, but I don't get why the perception is always that the owners are the ones making the negotiations difficult.

Because this is how most of the rest of the league operates with marquee players- they sign them before their contract runs out. It’s good for the team because the club gets them cheaper the earlier they do it. The price is only going up. It’s also good for the team because it prevents another team from stealing them away. It’s good for the player because they get the protection in case there is a catastrophic injury. Sure the Cowboys have paid him well but so would 31 other NFL teams. He was a coveted 1st round pick who has lived up to the hype. Every team in the league wants him. He’s not some UDFA Dallas saved from the XFL. He’s making them a lot of money. It’s a mutually beneficial arrangement but obviously Dallas is choosing to handle their players different than most every team. You have to imagine Dak and Micah are looking at this situation shaking their heads as well.

But also part of that equation is when teams sign players to long term deals they guarantee a large amount up front. If the player stinks, fails to perform, gets hurt, the team still owes those guarantees. It's a one sided risk. This risk is enahanced when you are signing players before their contracts run out.

True. Can you imagine the kind of work you would get out of a McDonald's or Walmart employee if the bulk of his wages were guaranteed for the next 5 years, lol (or to compare to the proportion of the length of a typical NFL contract versus NFL career length, you could even say wages guaranteed for 25 years). Not apples to apples, and I know you're talking about other things than players checking out once they get paid, but that's totally one of the risks.

But what if those McDonald’s employees trained their entire lives to work there. It was their dream, the only thing they ever wanted to do and all they want in life is to be recognized as one of the best to ever step behind the Golden Arches?

 

[Chaka]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Sure and Lamb has no obligation to return to the team next year. I’m sure the Giants or Commanders would love to pay him. This isn’t like a contract you signed with your lawn care company. He’s trying to make a deal with the cornerstone of the team.

And next year doesn't start until next year. This is this year. Nothing needs to be done.

Sure but angering and alienating one of your 3 best and most popular players is a stupid way to run a team. But sure he doesn’t have to do anything.

Could you not also say angering and alienating the organization that pays your bills and has already set you up to retire beyond luxury today at 25 if you wanted is a stupid way to run a life?

Not really even trying to take sides, but I don't get why the perception is always that the owners are the ones making the negotiations difficult.

Because this is how most of the rest of the league operates with marquee players- they sign them before their contract runs out. It’s good for the team because the club gets them cheaper the earlier they do it. The price is only going up. It’s also good for the team because it prevents another team from stealing them away. It’s good for the player because they get the protection in case there is a catastrophic injury. Sure the Cowboys have paid him well but so would 31 other NFL teams. He was a coveted 1st round pick who has lived up to the hype. Every team in the league wants him. He’s not some UDFA Dallas saved from the XFL. He’s making them a lot of money. It’s a mutually beneficial arrangement but obviously Dallas is choosing to handle their players different than most every team. You have to imagine Dak and Micah are looking at this situation shaking their heads as well.

But also part of that equation is when teams sign players to long term deals they guarantee a large amount up front. If the player stinks, fails to perform, gets hurt, the team still owes those guarantees. It's a one sided risk. This risk is enahanced when you are signing players before their contracts run out.

Players deserve to be protected for injury. As far as stinking, it all depends on the player but it's safe to say CeeDee doesn't stink. Does he go full Albert Haynesworth, or Bobby Bonilla, after he gets paid? Well, how well would that same player perform if he's bitter because he didn't get paid? If he balls out he gets tagged the following year, so maybe he pulls a T.O.. Too many variables. Bottom line is no risk it no biscuit.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I would very much like for Jerruh to pull his head from his butt & pay his top QB & WR, e.g. the 2 best players on his team, prior to my Aug 31 draft date.

I do not think that’s too much to ask.

 

[massraider]

Bottom line is no risk it no biscuit.

And in terms of risk, this is a bet everyone would make.

You want to draft Lambs and Parsons, and then re-sign them. The first chance you get. More you wait, more it costs, and if you are in no rush to re-sign Lamb, you aren't in a rush to re-sign anyone.

In terms of young talent to be re-signed by their clubs, Lamb/Parson is the best duo in the league, and I don't need to think about it. #2/#3 most valuable positions, they have no injury questions, no character stuff. The second the new league year began, they should have been trying to extend Parson. Still should be.

If you are any other DAL player, why would you think you are gonna get taken care of when the time comes?

 

[eighsse2]

Players deserve to be protected for injury.

No. Injury is very unfortunate but no one is inherently entitled to be financially protected from injury.